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On 12/22/22 3:41 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: Win95/Win98 would be happy with a PC/AT 286, with appropriate RAM I don't think "happy" is how I would describe that. Would it run? Maybe. Would I want to run it like that? Nope. Not at all. -- Grant. . . . unix || die

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On Thu, 22 Dec 2022, Jim Brain via cctalk wrote: On 12/22/2022 5:02 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: Another possible exception for banning XP: I think that the OQO is interesting enough to call for inclusion. It is a handheld, running XP.   Screen slides partway off to reveal a keyboard.

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On 12/22/2022 5:02 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: Another possible exception for banning XP: I think that the OQO is interesting enough to call for inclusion. It is a handheld, running XP.   Screen slides partway off to reveal a keyboard. /me looks at his OQO 2, which still works (and has

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We used to shun anything newer than and including the IBM PC but time.marches on. You're safe if you discuss systems produced before 1990. After that put an OT in the front of your subject so as not to offend the purists. Personally I think anything built after 1995 is too new for cctalk, but

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On Thu, 22 Dec 2022, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: You've apparently never heard of Tony Duell: last I read he was running Windows 98 on an IBM PC/XT or something like that :) Tony, are you around? My experience was that Windoze 3.00 was the last that could be installed on an 8088. Win

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On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 1:31 PM Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: > For PC’s, being able to run WinXP is an interesting cutoff, and I think > makes sense. Zane > You've apparently never heard of Tony Duell: last I read he was running Windows 98 on an IBM PC/XT or something like that :) Sellam

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On Dec 22, 2022, at 11:29 AM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 5:35 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk > wrote: >> We used to shun anything newer than and including the IBM PC but >> time.marches on. You're safe if you discuss systems produced before 1990. >> After that put an

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Oops. On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 12:10 PM steve shumaker via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > well.. apologies - this was not intended for the list. > > Steve > > On 12/22/22 11:49 AM, steve shumaker via cctalk wrote: > > No kidding! It has been a while. I've pretty much been lurking >

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On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 11:49 AM steve shumaker via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > No kidding! It has been a while. I've pretty much been lurking > without much to say here since I lost all my toys in the fires two years > ago. Managed to replace a couple Heathkit units since then

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well..  apologies - this was not intended for the list. Steve On 12/22/22 11:49 AM, steve shumaker via cctalk wrote: No kidding!   It has been a while.  I've pretty much been lurking without much to say here since I lost all my toys in the fires two years ago.   Managed to replace a couple

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

No kidding!   It has been a while.  I've pretty much been lurking without much to say here since I lost all my toys in the fires two years ago.   Managed to replace a couple Heathkit units since then but with prices what they are, it'll never be what it was. I did score a PET 2001-8 that

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

Here here! On Thursday, December 22, 2022, 02:29:48 PM EST, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: "what is vintage" has been a discussion since the beginning. It's when no one asks that I wonder if anyone cares. So I am ok with it. :-) b On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 2:25 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk <

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On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 5:35 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > We used to shun anything newer than and including the IBM PC but > time.marches on. You're safe if you discuss systems produced before 1990. > After that put an OT in the front of your subject so as not to offend the > purists.

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

"what is vintage" has been a discussion since the beginning. It's when no one asks that I wonder if anyone cares. So I am ok with it. :-) b On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 2:25 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 11:19 AM Marvin Johnston via cctalk <

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On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 11:19 AM Marvin Johnston via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > After all is said and done, my observations since the time this > listserver was up in Washington is that anything OT has a very short > "shelf life." That would suggest most people here have a working

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

. A long way of saying OT or not is being well served by the choice of most people here on what they post... with the exception of the waaay too long discussion, Re: what is on topic?, currently taking place.

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On Thu, Dec 22, 2022, 9:51 AM Zane Healy wrote: > > Having seen another of your posts, I’m left to wonder how many of us had > our eyes opened by this list back in 1997. In my case having worked on > some systems decidedly “vintage” systems, prior to joining the list helped > spark my interest.

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: what is on topic?

Anything up to 64-bit has been on topic over the life of this list. Though 64-bit initially was pushing it, less so now, as I’d definitely consider something like a Sun Ultra 2, or DEC Alpha to be very much on topic. I definitely participated in discussions of early Macintosh systems back

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

Yep. It's called dang old Guy. Anything dang-old is like totally appropriate dude. On Wednesday, December 21, 2022, 10:23:36 PM EST, Guy N. via cctalk wrote: Perhaps a good but blurry line is "old enough not to be of much practical use anymore for most people, but significant in the history

[cctalk] transcoding etc. was Re: Re: what is on topic?

I obtained a copy of Image Processing in C recently, with the disk, a book which is nearly vintage in it's own right. Back in the 90s I wanted to digitize my then vast library of books. That book, which I foumd at a library, seemed a good starting point. Truth is though it really didn't seem

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

Oh, funny, I was just thinking of asking this same question as I resurrect a Mac G4 from about 2001, running Mac OS 9 (not OS X). There's a whole website and forum[1] for that, though. I read this list a lot more than I post. I enjoy some of the tales of old machines, especially anything DEC.

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On 2022-12-21 6:32 p.m., Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote: On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 04:28:35AM +, Chris via cctalk wrote: [...] Transcoding as in vcr to mpegs? I wasn't suggesting XP was utterly entirely useless. Video editing in a modern sense requires loads of processing h.p. to be efficient.

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On 2022-12-21 6:44 p.m., Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote: On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 04:17:19PM -0800, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: I am going to ditto Zane because I basically could've written that same exact message like an infinite monkey on an infinite typewriter. Sellam Turing Monkey?

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 04:17:19PM -0800, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: > I am going to ditto Zane because I basically could've written that same > exact message like an infinite monkey on an infinite typewriter. > > Sellam Turing Monkey? Does it have infinite roll of paper? -- Regards,

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On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 04:28:35AM +, Chris via cctalk wrote: [...] > Transcoding as in vcr to mpegs? I wasn't suggesting XP was utterly > entirely useless. Video editing in a modern sense requires loads of > processing h.p. to be efficient. And no transcodimg is > necessary. Certainly not an

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

100's of replies later... The first rule of Off-Topic Club is that you do not talk about Off-Topic Club.

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

On Wednesday, December 21, 2022, 05:14:13 PM EST, Sean Conner via cctalk wrote: One rule I remember (from the early 2000s) is that anything 10 years or older is on-topic. At that point, it was pretty much stuff up to around 1990 or there abouts. I personally feel that MS-DOS is fine, and even

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It was thus said that the Great Chris via cctalk once stated: > I just don't remember anyone declaring this to be an 8-bit list. Back > when I was a member no one said pc stuff was off topic. Which is why I > asked. And wasn't aware JW didn't own or run tne list anymore. One rule I remember

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

Sellam, I find nearly everything you said cogent and well appreciated. Especially coming from someone like you who is a prime mover-shaker in this hobby. I'd like to give a better more detailed reply, but don't have the time presently. And I realize people get tired of a topic when it's drawn

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

There were many computers that predate the 8 bit microprocessor based computers. Most of these systems are 12 bits, 16 bits, 18 bits and 36 bits (I excluded 32 bits because I'm not familiar with any 32 bits systems that were not microprocessors) DEC, Data General, CDC, IBM, Honeywell,

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

You see, you see. A lot of people are getting stressed oit! Somebody please give me a pillow. And a candy bar would be nice. A draw the shades LOL On Wednesday, December 21, 2022, 02:38:37 PM EST, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: > On Dec 21, 2022, at 11:05, Bill Degnan via cctalk >

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 12:35 PM Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: > If old 8 bits are fun, older 12 bits are even more fun (50% more fun by > word size). > What about VLIW?Not that many places to discuss Itanic these days :)

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

If old 8 bits are fun, older 12 bits are even more fun (50% more fun by word size). And who needs BASIC in ROM (or on cassette), just toggle in your program with the switch register or load it by paper tape. On 12/21/2022 12:40 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: Old 8-bits are fun. All

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

I've not (yet) read 40+ messages in this thread. I'd borrow a measure from vehicle licensing in what defines a "classic" car. Specifically any care 25 years old or older. It's not a perfect line, but it is a relatively easy line. I find that a quarter of a century to be easier to remember

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

Chris, This list was never declared to be exclusively an 8-bit affair. I'm not sure where you're getting that from. From the get go in 1997 when Bill Whitson founded the list, all computers of a vintage or obsolete nature were game for discussion. It's only after a few years and time marching

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

No personal experience but maybe this'll help: https://corei64.com/shop/index.php?route=product/product_id=285 Sorry for encouraging inappropriate threads ;-) m On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 1:56 PM steve shumaker via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > OK..Now that you mention it, I do

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

I will have to admit that, until I joined the CC list in 1997 when it was first launched by Bill Whitson (anyone ever heard from him since he last posted about sticking razorblades to the underside of his dashboard to thwart thieves, which apparently worked?) I didn't have much knowledge about

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

Hi Steve. (Long time no talk.) My suggestion to you, as abhorrent as it may seem, is to buy a complete PET 2001, take your 3 keycaps, and part the rest out. Preferably one that's in crap shape. They aren't that uncommon. Sellam On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 10:56 AM steve shumaker via cctalk <

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> On Dec 21, 2022, at 11:05, Bill Degnan via cctalk > wrote: > > But for this list, as we are today, we're vintage of the 8-bit era vintage > computer hobbyist. Is that what is on-topic for this list? To me those were kinda cute toys in the day. But I was using CYBERs and PDPs and VAXen

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

I just don't remember anyone declaring this to be an 8-bit list. Back when I was a member no one said pc stuff was off topic. Which is why I asked. And wasn't aware JW didn't own or run tne list anymore. Evan Koblentz used to hate anything remotely connected to IBM for reasons (more then

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

Chris, That was me saying after 1990, within the context that one should start thinking "is this on topic" if the thing is any newer, and I gave some examples of then it would be and not so much be in my opinion. I also mentioned that to high school kids interested in vintage computers, their

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

OK..    Now that you mention it, I do have a CBM PET question.  I'm searching for replacement key tops for the chicklet keyboard.  There are stems available (apparently 3d printed) on EPay but no caps. Any suggestions on where to look?    I have the keyboard and it seems a little silly to

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

So Jay West doesn't own the list anymore? Since when was the cutoff declared to be 1990? No one is in charge here? What if a revolution takes place? Who will martial the forces to put ot down and hang all the imsurgents?

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

Old 8-bits are fun. All you need is a television generally and you're ready to go. Power it up, drop into BASIC, and start doing stuff. With a PC you need a keyboard, a monitor, a mouse probably, a desktop, some software, etc. How cumbersome. And uninteresting. And boring. Maybe not the greatest

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

After seeing way more than a dozen messages about what is on topic I question whether this topic is on topic. Tongue firmly planting in cheek. Maybe we should apply some topical antiseptic and kill off this topic. On 12/21/2022 1:39 AM, Jim Brain via cctalk wrote: On 12/21/2022 1:22 AM,

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On 12/20/22 20:51, Chris via cctalk wrote: Well there doesn't seem to be a great deal of activity these days, I has thought the suggestion about relaxing the rules might need discussing. I know there are people still using Windows 2003 puters, or a near equivalent based on XP? But that's

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

There is also TinkerDifferent- which is growing in size quickly (covers all systems, but is skewed a bit towards apple): https://tinkerdifferent.com/forums/pentium-6x86.185/ > On Dec 21, 2022, at 2:39 AM, Jim Brain via cctalk > wrote:

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

I typically change the subject header when I reply to a post that I consider OT with the hopes that the original poster gets my point that way... On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 11:46 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > This is really funny. Do you all realize how many times

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

>From the headers of your message (and most likely the one you responded to): To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" List-Id: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Seems like this is the list for

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

> > Windows 2003 and XP is about as obsolete now as the IBM PC was in 1995. > Probably more so. XP is popular on Vogons but I'm sure considerably less > then 5% of computers actually host it. > > There's also the issue of beating a dead horse. There will always and > forever (and forever...) be

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

On 12/21/2022 1:22 AM, Chris via cctalk wrote: Ok for cbm and atari yes I'm familiar with most of those. I meant in general. And specifically where would you go for server related discussions for pII through socket 771? I admit Pentium and newer forums are a bit harder to find, but some

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

Ok for cbm and atari yes I'm familiar with most of those. I meant in general. And specifically where would you go for server related discussions for pII through socket 771? Every classic/vintage forum seems to adhere to a classic in it's own right (but perhaps totally valid) definition of

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

On 12/21/2022 12:28 AM, Chris via cctalk wrote: I keep hearing allusions to many forums. I think there are very few. I don't do FB. There are many web forums. Just for CBM, there's lemon 64, vcforum, atariage (yes, CBM on atariage), denial, Everything 64, and 6502.org handles a few

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

I keep hearing allusions to many forums. I think there are very few. I don't do FB. Incidentally is selling allowed here? I really can't recall. On Wednesday, December 21, 2022, 01:19:35 AM EST, Jim Brain via cctalk wrote: On 12/21/2022 12:03 AM, Chris via cctalk wrote: > Apples and

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

On 12/21/2022 12:03 AM, Chris via cctalk wrote: Apples and Coco's and C64's would be the common sublist As much as I enjoy these machines, I ask that we do not create yet another list for them.  There are many fine forums for all of these machines.  The occasional PET or VIC question in here

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

When I was considerably younger I told my mother that I was going to a Hamfest today. She replied "Oh how nice". Needless to say the woman enjoyed ham. As to the "odious objection", I think it was sent to me directly. Never mind. And Odious Objector LOL LOL a joke, cut me some slack, will ya.

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

On Tue, Dec 20, 2022, 10:03 PM Chris via cctalk wrote: > Why? b/c Old people are a bit like old computers? Starting to slowly break down? Usually when I see such crankiness there is a ham call sign present :-)

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

Why? Create another list becauae a minority of subscribers consider their opinions paramount? Don't read what isn't of interest to you. Somewhat of a majority of topics don't interest me. Should I complain that some topics are about stuff that is too old and irrelevant (and annoying, in

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

On 2022-12-20 4:36 p.m., Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: On Dec 20, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Chris via cctalk wrote: Specifically as pertaining to old/vintage/classic/retro compuing discussion, what exactly is on topic? On top of my head as a for imstance I have some questions pertaining to Windows

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

Well, that's one nay for this topic. :-) Jim

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

So long as we don't talk about what is or isn't allowed, the list traffic is low enough not to need specific rules... Except maybe not talking about what is vintage. :p Warner Ps :p is retro emoji :). On Tue, Dec 20, 2022, 9:58 PM Chris via cctalk wrote: > Nah. The nays would habe to

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

Nah. The nays would habe to outnumber the yays. You can always find 3 malcontents who hate everything. But that sucks as well because you get involved with runoffs. And subsequently voter fraud, hangimg/dimpled/pregnant chads, storming of the capitol server. Holey moley let's end this topic

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

On Wed, 21 Dec 2022, Chris via cctalk wrote: Transcoding as in vcr to mpegs? I wasn't suggesting XP was utterly entirely useless. Video editing in a modern sense requires loads of processing h.p. to be efficient. And no transcodimg is necessary. Certainly not an expert. But I should think

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

This is really funny. Do you all realize how many times we've gone over this over the past 25 years? As Bill poignantly explained, maybe instead of trying to establish a cut-off date, we instead think outside of the box: If enough people object to a topic, it stops. Let's call it three

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

Agreed (FWIW ;-) Admittedly there are many alternate sources out there for information (and misinformation) about relatively 'modern' systems, but there's also a lot of informed, reliable and, dare I say, mature folks here with much to contribute; it'd be a shame not to take advantage of their

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

Traffic on the list is so low I'm not seeing the issue.I'm also not seeing complaints about threads being off topic.Seems like solution seeking a problem. On Tue, Dec 20, 2022, 8:28 PM Chris via cctalk wrote: > On Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 11:11:27 PM EST, Fred Cisin via cctalk < >

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

On Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 11:11:27 PM EST, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: I was not disagreeing with you. Ok. Wonderful. I guess we've sufficiently established that from henceforth anything dang-old is totally on topic. Any detractors? :) Transcoding as in vcr to mpegs? I wasn't

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

The point is Vadem made cpu's and I was unaware of that. The distinction between the v30/v40/80188/80186 is blurry. Non intel or nec versions perhaps habe additional idiosyncrasies. On Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 11:04:36 PM EST, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote: > > Something like

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

I don't think I've ever even heard of Innovasic. I guess given the degree to which it was utilzed, the 80188/80186 and their variants would naturally have many manufacturers. And I say this with all the warmth and cuddliness I can muster, the suggestion that the 80188 is off topic is just

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

I was not disagreeing with you. I thought that "dang obsolete" was an amusing wording; and applies to most of my interests. These days, doing web browsing, email, and transcoding video, I use a bunch of XP and Win7 machines, but my heart, and nostalgia, are with older stuff. in the process

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

> > Something like the HP LX series or even the portable ZEOS DOS palmtops would probably be on-topic. The OmniGo 100LX behind me has a Vadem equivalent of an 80186. > Vadem made 186 clones? They made dense glue for V40 based Ampro sbc's. Never > knew they made cpus. Not saying they didn't, but

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

Off topic - but interesting. I had a very frustrating experience with an 80188 made by Innovasic. The SBC188 BIOS would halt if the chip was used because its power on behaviour was different to the Intel 80188. http://www.vk1zdj.net/?p=551 That's *many* hours of my life I won't get back.

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

Vadem made 186 clones? They made dense glue for V40 based Ampro sbc's. Never knew they made cpus. Not saying they didn't, but if so that's a shocker to me. On Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 10:22:18 PM EST, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote: > I agree that we should probably use the

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

Windows 2003 and XP is about as obsolete now as the IBM PC was in 1995. Probably more so. XP is popular on Vogons but I'm sure considerably less then 5% of computers actually host it. There's also the issue of beating a dead horse. There will always and forever (and forever...) be some

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

Has anyone here been to the Kennett Classic museum? There is what was originally called the "post vintage" room that has stuff like NeXT, Sun, SGI, PS/2's, Windows 3.1, 386/486 laptops, GridPad/IBM Thinkpad, Go Pad, DEC Alphas workstations, etc. Now it's referred to as the "32-bit GUI

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

> I agree that we should probably use the intent of a specific era. > > I believe that the world certainly dropped out of my personal definition of > 'Classic' when the 386 came in. > > I have an interest in things up to and including 80186, and they certainly > are not run of the mill.

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

On Wed, 21 Dec 2022, Chris via cctalk wrote: Well there doesn't seem to be a great deal of activity these days, I has thought the suggestion about relaxing the rules might need discussing. I know there are people still using Windows 2003 puters, or a near equivalent based on XP? But that's

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

Well there doesn't seem to be a great deal of activity these days, I has thought the suggestion about relaxing the rules might need discussing. I know there are people still using Windows 2003 puters, or a near equivalent based on XP? But that's entirely irrelevant, as I'm quite sure you could

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

I agree that we should probably use the intent of a specific era. I believe that the world certainly dropped out of my personal definition of 'Classic' when the 386 came in. I have an interest in things up to and including 80186, and they certainly are not run of the mill. Just my thoughts.

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

On Tue, Dec 20, 2022, 6:13 PM Mike Loewen via cctalk wrote: > > I'm going to play the old fogey card and suggest that we should use a > specific year as a cutoff, rather than a floating limit. Something like > 1986, > or possibly a little later. As has been mentioned, there are many other >

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

On Tue, 20 Dec 2022, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: On Dec 20, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Chris via cctalk wrote: Specifically as pertaining to old/vintage/classic/retro compuing discussion, what exactly is on topic? On top of my head as a for imstance I have some questions pertaining to Windows 2003

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

I would suggest anything that introduced a new feature that was somewhat significant. So that fits the OQO because it was (at least one of) the first handheld PCs that could run Windows XP. But as someone else pointed out, there are a zillion PC forums where any question relating to any PC or

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

On Tue, 20 Dec 2022, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: Not true, I observed someone beating that dead horse within the past year. Howzbout: INTERESTING, and olde enough to not be like the current stuff, I'd like to think that OQO might qualify, but not anything Dell or Gateway.

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

Not true, I observed someone beating that dead horse within the past year. Sellam On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 4:44 PM Van Snyder via cctalk wrote: > > On Dec 20, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Chris via cctalk > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Specifically as pertaining to old/vintage/classic/retro compuing > > >

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

> On Dec 20, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Chris via cctalk > > wrote: > > > > > > Specifically as pertaining to old/vintage/classic/retro compuing > > discussion, what exactly is on topic? On top of my head as a for > > imstance I > > have some questions pertaining to Windows 2003 and socket 603/604. > >

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

The original rule, back around ’96/97 was anything older than 10 years was on-topic. I think the idea behind that is still valid, but these days a 10 year old system isn’t that much different from a current one. I think at one point someone suggested it should be shifted to 20+ years. On Tue,

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

I am going to ditto Zane because I basically could've written that same exact message like an infinite monkey on an infinite typewriter. Sellam On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 3:41 PM Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: > On Dec 20, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Chris via cctalk > wrote: > > > > Specifically as

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

On Dec 20, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Chris via cctalk wrote: > > Specifically as pertaining to old/vintage/classic/retro compuing discussion, > what exactly is on topic? On top of my head as a for imstance I have some > questions pertaining to Windows 2003 and socket 603/604. Something tells me >

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

Chris, We used to have two lists , cctech for on-topic & cctalk which mirrored cctech and allowed off-topic, but the level off off-topic traffic was low, so if I understand things we now only have one and it allows both on and off-topic.. Dave > -Original Message- > From: Chris via

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

We used to shun anything newer than and including the IBM PC but time.marches on. You're safe if you discuss systems produced before 1990. After that put an OT in the front of your subject so as not to offend the purists. Personally I think anything built after 1995 is too new for cctalk, but

[cctalk] Re: What is an "FS/2" connector?

On Sat, Jul 30, 2022, 5:21 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > On 7/30/22 15:16, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > > > > But, I'm REALLY hoping that someday you will elaborate in length about > > the MS-DOS 2.11 and 3.31 OEM configuration capabilities and limitations! > > > My recollection (very

[cctalk] Re: What is an "FS/2" connector?

On 7/30/22 10:15 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: I just saw an unknown to me connector listed on an eBay auction and was wondering if anyone knows more about an "FS/2" connector. Thank you all. It seems as "FS/2" is not a /type/ /of/ /connector/ so much as it is a /device/ that.

[cctalk] Re: What is an "FS/2" connector?

On 7/30/22 15:16, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > But, I'm REALLY hoping that someday you will elaborate in length about > the MS-DOS 2.11 and 3.31 OEM configuration capabilities and limitations! My recollection (very hazy after about 40 years) from DOS 2.x is that as an OEM you supplied the

[cctalk] Re: What is an "FS/2" connector?

https://www.handheldsystems.com/handhelds/ms-dos/fs3/fs3_access.htm has one of those cables (or at least "P-1940-0042" part number) $125 For connecting an "Itron FS/3 to PC". and a manual ("Developer's Guide") for an "Itronix Husky FS/2". $75 So, look for "Itronix/Itron Husky FS/2"

[cctalk] Re: What is an "FS/2" connector?

Found the cable on the handheldsystems web site, but it's not a keyboard connector. Text reads: Itron FS3 to PC Cable, 12M/9F Itron FS3 Circular 12-pin Male to PC DB9F 9-pin Female cable P-1940-0042 $125.00 On the brochure, an option for the FS/3 serial communications is specified as "2 x

[cctalk] Re: What is an "FS/2" connector?

On 7/30/22 14:21, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > https://www.handheldsystems.com/handhelds/ms-dos/fs3/fs3_access.htm > > has one of those cables (or at least "P-1940-0042" part number) $125 > For connecting an "Itron FS/3 to PC". > and a manual ("Developer's Guide") for an "Itronix Husky FS/2".

[cctalk] Re: What is an "FS/2" connector?

Itron/Itronix Husky FS/2 handheld computer Handheld, using 3 AA batteries 8 x 40 display 240 x 64 pixel (if you think that text on your phone is too easy to read, or got hooked on Gavilan 8 line display) FS/2 had an "4M RAM, 8086, and MS-DOS 3.30" according to first link (considering the

[cctalk] Re: What is an "FS/2" connector?

https://www.handheldsystems.com/handhelds/ms-dos/fs3/fs3_access.htm has one of those cables (or at least "P-1940-0042" part number) $125 For connecting an "Itron FS/3 to PC". and a manual ("Developer's Guide") for an "Itronix Husky FS/2". $75 So, look for "Itronix/Itron Husky FS/2"

[cctalk] Re: What is an "FS/2" connector?

I just saw an unknown to me connector listed on an eBay auction and was wondering if anyone knows more about an "FS/2" connector. Link - FS/2 to IBM PC-AT P-1940-0042 CABLE 6 FOOT FREE SHIPPING  - https://www.ebay.com/itm/304580270070 . . . So ... does anyone know what an "FS/2" connector is?

[cctalk] Re: What is an "FS/2" connector?

On 7/30/22 10:24, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > >>From the fuzzy photos, looks like a DE0 (EGA? CGA?) connector to > S-video. But I'm not at all certain about that. Looking more closely at the photos, I note the DE9 is a *female* connector, which implies that this is a RS232 serial cable of

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