Re: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Sam Morris
>   > 2. His main source of intelligence about Iraq was >   > not what all you are quoting, >   > but was from the Iraq Ex-patriots who fed him >   > completely false information. >   > Ex=patriots who were being paid $450,000 per > year >   > from the US treasury. >   Yes we didn’t have spies on t

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2004-08-02 Thread Timothy Heald
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Re: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Doug White
- Original Message -   From: Sam Morris   --- Doug White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   > Reasons to vote out Bush:   >   > 1. Record Setting deficit with tax cuts for the rich   > - placing the burden on the   > middle class for generations.   >  Government spending continues unabated.  F

Re: this is crazy...my hometown!!!

2004-08-02 Thread Don
ok, Tony, I did a search for max2k4 on Baltimore digital city site, no where to be found.  Michael, you could drag me if you can, fyi, I'm like over 500 pound, nicknamed gorilla :) Don >he aint that scary, don, dont let him fool ya ;) > >sike, he's cool...and i like guiness, and ill be @ max2k4 :)

Re: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Sam Morris
--- Doug White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Reasons to vote out Bush: > > 1. Record Setting deficit with tax cuts for the rich > - placing the burden on the > middle class for generations. >  Government spending continues unabated.  For > reversing the prior trend of Pay > as you go, to massive d

RE: msnbc, excellent terrorist research tool

2004-08-02 Thread Jeff Garza
Yeah. gotta agree with you on that one. I would assume that they had that list already, plus a whole bunch more that aren't on that list. It's especially scary since a good number of those targets are General Dynamics. (the company I work for was just acquired by them).  So that hit's a little clo

Re: msnbc, excellent terrorist research tool

2004-08-02 Thread brobborb
Freedom of speech man! hehe   - Original Message -   From: Tony Weeg   To: CF-Community   Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 8:21 PM   Subject: msnbc, excellent terrorist research tool   MSNBC ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?   http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5569979/   look at the "Potential Amer

Re: Religious oppression in action

2004-08-02 Thread brobborb
Well you are not forced to say it or believe in it (if you are, then that is not wrong and possibly illegal!).  Using that logic, i can just say...there are people on this earth who believe in God, implying that not believing in a God is incorrect, let's get rid of these people! I hope you dont se

Re: Excellent little chart ...

2004-08-02 Thread Kevin Graeme
That is pretty nifty. -Kevin On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:53:56 -0400, Erika L. Walker-Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://bruceclay.com/searchenginerelationshipchart.htm > > Cheers, > Erika > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donatio

RE: msnbc, excellent terrorist research tool

2004-08-02 Thread Jim Davis
I've said it before but I always follow the most basic security rule: always assume that your enemy is smarter than you are. Not talking about things like this potentially hurt you much more than it could ever help them. Jim Davis From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 0

Re: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Doug White
- Original Message -   From: Kevin Graeme   And Federalizing the airport screeners which violates the 4th amendment.   Interesting you mention that, now that they are seeing that the Federalization is not working as intended, they are now asking to go back to private screening contractors

Re: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Doug White
Viewing the national economy as a whole, the figures are more like 3 to 3.5 million jobs lost due to the downturn, and since Bush took office, there have been less than a million new jobs created, so there is still a net loss of jobs in the overall economy.. Hardly a scenario to brag about Actuall

Excellent little chart ...

2004-08-02 Thread Erika L. Walker-Arnold
http://bruceclay.com/searchenginerelationshipchart.htm Cheers, Erika [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]

Re: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Kevin Graeme
On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 19:56:41 -0500, Doug White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Reasons to vote out Bush: > 20. Masc. items, The Patriot Act, The prisoner handing, The anti-constitution > Attorney General, and more. Don't forget: Covertly detained and held incommunicado US citizens. And when confronte

RE: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Marlon Moyer
So they were able to realize an extra $142 for the year in tax savings. > -Original Message- > From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 9:03 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Kerry's record in Senate > > Also, here is other information from the websi

Re: msnbc, excellent terrorist research tool

2004-08-02 Thread Tony Weeg
i as well...those were scary days, i still have nightmares of long range nukes, flying over norway, and landing in nyc. but the point is this...why put it there? come the heck on...enough already. why make it any easier? i guess its nothing worse than the anarchists cookbook that is all over th

Re: msnbc, excellent terrorist research tool

2004-08-02 Thread Kevin Graeme
Dude, that's all old hat. All of those facilities are well known. And talking about this stuff is nothing new. It's about fearmongering. I remember growing up in the shadow of the cold war that newspapers, TV, magazines, and even our teachers would have maps about where the ICBMs would fall. The on

Re: this is crazy...my hometown!!!

2004-08-02 Thread Tony Weeg
he aint that scary, don, dont let him fool ya ;) sike, he's cool...and i like guiness, and ill be @ max2k4 :) see ya on bourbon skreet! tw On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:09:20 -0400, Michael T. Tangorre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Drag Michael T along?  LOL  I pitty da fool that talks that jive.  :-) >

Re: firefox/alt

2004-08-02 Thread Raymond Camden
I'm with Jim. I figured the tooltip wasn't "spec" per se, but it is _very_ handy. On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:44:34 -0400, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > True - but it is a good behavior.  ;^)  I also like the fact that IE > displays the alt text in the image frame while the image is downloading

RE: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Nick McClure
But is that something that any President can control? With a national economy, companies will move new plants to a location where it is more economically sound. They open a Toyota plant here, but they close one there. They close an MCI call center, but they open one there. The local effects suck,

RE: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Sam Morris
--- Marlon Moyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ok Sam here's my source.  They've got a nice little > table that lists it all > sorts of ways. > > http://www.taxfoundation.org/prtopincometable.html#TotalAdjustedGross > > I'm not sure what you're getting at because > according to your numbers, the

RE: this is crazy...my hometown!!!

2004-08-02 Thread Michael T. Tangorre
Drag Michael T along?  LOL  I pitty da fool that talks that jive.  :-) > OK, tell me a cool pub in your area, I may as well stop by > for a beer some time.  Drag Michael T. Tangorre along if he allows :) [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [

Re: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Doug White
The is from their finance division - is I think is a part of their bankruptcy reorganization. It was just on my mind.  last week there was a company that laid off several hundred workers, and another the week before.  In fact since the first of the year, just here there has been layoffs of around 6

RE: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Nick McClure
Also, here is other information from the website you sent out: Proportionately, the top-earning 25 percent of taxpayers earned more than 65 percent of the nation's income and paid more than three out of every four dollars collected by the federal income tax (77%) in 2001. There were 32.2 million t

Re: this is crazy...my hometown!!!

2004-08-02 Thread Don
>ugly? > >what?  my outlook?  come on man. >wtf can someone learn behind a monitor? >how many keys they can hit in a minute?  go out. >learn about people, play a sport, do somethign outside, its much >more entertaining, and educational than a computer. > >but, then again, i guess i am ugly. All rig

RE: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Nick McClure
Something interesting, based on these numbers, the tax rate went up for the top 1%, in 2000 the top 1% paid 27.45%, in 2001 the top 1% paid 27.50 I wasn't aware of that.   _   From: Marlon Moyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 9:37 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Ke

RE: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Marlon Moyer
ok Sam here's my source.  They've got a nice little table that lists it all sorts of ways. http://www.taxfoundation.org/prtopincometable.html#TotalAdjustedGross I'm not sure what you're getting at because according to your numbers, the bottom 50% only make 13.81% of all income, so how does that r

RE: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Nick McClure
Yeah, seem like pretty smart people if you ask me. But hey, I'm from Kentucky, where our current slogan is: "At least we aren't Tennessee"   _   From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 9:15 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Kerry's record in Senate What

RE: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Nick McClure
One thing I have a question with here, is it possible the reason MCI is laying people off because they are losing subscribers, because of the quality of their service? I don't know, but the fact that a company is losing jobs doesn't directly mean it's because there is total economic problem, compa

msnbc, excellent terrorist research tool

2004-08-02 Thread Tony Weeg
MSNBC ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5569979/ look at the "Potential American Targets" interactive piece @ the end. SOMEONE SHOULD FINE THEM, this is anti-american. WTF??? -- tony Tony Weeg human. email: tonyweeg [at] gmail [dot] com blog: http://www.revolutionwebdes

Re: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Howie Hamlin
What do you expect - I mentioned the education record, didn't I?   - Original Message -   From: Nick McClure   To: CF-Community   Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 6:55 PM   Subject: RE: Kerry's record in Senate   Well, the people of Texas seemed to think he had a pretty good record, they

RE: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Save a horse, ride a cowboy!   -Original Message-   From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 8:02 PM   To: CF-Community   Subject: Re: Kerry's record in Senate   Love this one Democratic party button I saw a photo of   Stop Mad Cowboy Disease   larry

RE: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Sam Morris
--- Marlon Moyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Sam Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 3:47 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: Kerry's record in Senate > > > > Top 50% of wage earners pay 96.03% of all federal > > income t

Re: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Love this one Democratic party button I saw a photo of Stop Mad Cowboy Disease larry On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:15:01 -0500, Andy Ousterhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry, you and I live in different pools of knowledge.  Example:  I just came > back from a Toby Keith concert.  Cowboy way is the

Re: Religious oppression in action

2004-08-02 Thread Larry C. Lyons
If I remember right, having read a bunch of articles on it and did some researching myself, the effort to add thephrase "Under God" was launched by a republican congressmen on the urging of the Knights of Columbus to show that the US was different from those heathen godless commie countries. larry

Re: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Doug White
Reasons to vote out Bush: 1. Record Setting deficit with tax cuts for the rich - placing the burden on the middle class for generations. Government spending continues unabated.  For reversing the prior trend of Pay as you go, to massive debt which will absorb an increasing portion of productivity

RE: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Marlon Moyer
> -Original Message- > From: Sam Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 3:47 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Kerry's record in Senate > > Top 50% of wage earners pay 96.03% of all federal > income tax. Should it be 100%? Sam, you really should get another so

RE: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Jim Davis
While personally I find the whole "anybody but Bush" argument distasteful I do think it's valid. The main point of democracy is to try to elect those people that will best suit your interests.  Right now a lot of people feel that "anybody" can do that better than Bush.  What's not being said is th

RE: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Nick McClure
That would be cool if we lived in that world, however what was the last time your Senator asked your opinion? You vote for a representative who in general agrees with you, a person who will tend to agree with your ideas. In North Korea, Kim Jong Ill, makes the choice, there is not congress that i

RE: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Nick McClure
>What has Bush done to show that he deserves to stay in and lead? Let's >recap: >Gave the wealthiest Americans a tax break while the middle class continues >to struggle.. Not to mention the less fortunate of the US still get shafted. Interesting, I got a tax cut, Kerry hasn't proposed anything t

Re: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Doug White
Not this Texan, or his family.   - Original Message -   From: Nick McClure   Well, the people of Texas seemed to think he had a pretty good record, they   voted for him.     _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and

RE: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Nick McClure
I'm really not a fan of voting for people based on what other countries think. I don't like the idea of the US giving in to what the rest of the world wants, if the US wants to do it, then we do it. If the US wants to go to war, if popular support says go to war, if congress says here is the mone

RE: firefox/alt

2004-08-02 Thread Jim Davis
True - but it is a good behavior.  ;^)  I also like the fact that IE displays the alt text in the image frame while the image is downloading. Neither of these are required by the specs, but neither is prohibited either.  FireFox could learn a few things from IE (and the other-way-round of course).

RE: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Nick McClure
Kerry did miss one vote where the bill lost by one, it was for the extension of the unemployment benefits.   _   From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 4:02 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Kerry's record in Senate >From what I remember from high school

RE: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Nick McClure
Well, sure they should vote for their constituency, however the question is how does the rest of the country feel about the ideas of his constituency. You are only going to vote for a particular candidate if you agree with them, so its not like you are going to always vote exactly the same way the

RE: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Nick McClure
I don't really like the idea that he was on the intel committee and rarely showed up, but I don't know what is the norm for senators, it seems to me that they get paid to be in Washington and be at the Senate, but I don't know.   _   From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday,

RE: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Nick McClure
Something that has annoyed me, I sent an email to the Kerry camp asking how he would get one of his platforms through, its been a few weeks, and I have heard nothing back what so ever. That kinda made up my mind. Specifically, I asked how Kerry planned to reduce the family insurance premiums by $

RE: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Nick McClure
Do you not see how sad that it? Your only reason for voting for Kerry is because he isn't Bush, your only response about these questions is that it can't be worse than it is now. If you are basing your vote on that idea, then democracy is lost, the idea that you care more for voting this guy out

RE: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Nick McClure
Well, the people of Texas seemed to think he had a pretty good record, they voted for him.   _   From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 1:55 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Kerry's record in Senate Don't forget - Bush had no Washington experience and als

Re: Religious oppression in action

2004-08-02 Thread Kevin Graeme
Omygoodness! Is that new? I'd need to order a LOT of cookies to make shipping worthwhile, and I don't need that many cookies tempting me, but I love the bee cookie. -Kevin On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:10:40 -0500, Andy Ousterhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK, I've wasted an entire day on this and o

Re: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Sam Morris
This whole loved by the world thing is overrated. I agree with what Rabbi Shmuley Boteach has to say: ... AMERICA IS hated by the nations of the world almost entirely due to its support of Israel and the war in Iraq. The United States is the great champion of Israel and is therefore loathed by a

RE: Religious oppression in action

2004-08-02 Thread Jim Davis
"Under God" was added to the pledge in 1954. "In God we Trust" was added to currency for the first time in 1908 but wasn't added to paper money until the 1950's. Jim Davis   _   From: Andy Ousterhout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 6:11 PM To: CF-Community Subject:

Re: Religious oppression in action

2004-08-02 Thread Ben Doom
Andy Ousterhout wrote: > I believe that the phrase "under god" was a relatively late addition > ~1950 to > the pledge.  However the pledge is not law. Correct on both counts.  IIRC, the text was added as a Joint Resolution of Congress.  It was brought up as an example of something official with

Re: firefox/alt

2004-08-02 Thread Kevin Graeme
What do you mean by "ignore"? What behavior are you expecting? The only required behavior for the alt text is that it be shown when the image can not be displayed. The tooltip-like behavior of IE is a behavior that MS invented. -Kevin On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:29:42 -0500, Raymond Camden <[EMAIL PRO

Current Election meets Transmetropolitan?

2004-08-02 Thread Tyler Clendenin
For anyone out there who has read DC's Transmetropolitan, doesn't Bush kinda remind you of "The Bear" and Edwards of "The Smiler"? (I am a dem voting for the John^2 ticket, i  just thought it was amusing) [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]

NY terror redux

2004-08-02 Thread Michael Dinowitz
DEBKAfile's terror experts find two al Qaeda operatives held in Pakistan unlikely sources of up-to-date intelligence on terror plots for US financial centers and UK. Organization is too compartmented for single operatives to have access to that many secrets – especially when, like Ghailani and K

RE: Religious oppression in action

2004-08-02 Thread Andy Ousterhout
I believe that the phrase "under god" was a relatively late addition ~1950 to the pledge.  However the pledge is not law. OK, I've wasted an entire day on this and other posts.  Got to sell something. Anybody want some delicious butter cookies? Andy   -Original Message-   From: Ben Doom [

Re: Religious oppression in action

2004-08-02 Thread Ben Doom
> Implied by the law? no way! Implied by the Pledge itself.  Including the text "under God" implies that there is, in fact, at least one god, and probably only one God (note capitilizaion) depending on interpretation. --Ben >   > See there's a difference.  You got in trouble for NOT SAYING IT.

Re: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Robert Munn
>couldnt it be, though, that the changing of the guard here, bush out - >kerry in, would aid in our foreign policy.  it would send the LARGEST >message to the world.  far louder than any incumbent group's policy >shift.  they dont like bush, no one does, and as the days go on, their >anger is fuele

RE: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Benefit of the doubt.   -Original Message-   From: Robert Munn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 4:44 PM   To: CF-Community   Subject: Re: Kerry's record in Senate   >Sad statement about the Democratic party   >that the best they could come up with was a warm body.

Re: firefox/alt

2004-08-02 Thread Mike Townend
Because afaik it should use Title over alt... Im pretty sure MAC clients are the same... There was a UI option (which is probably embedded in the about:config now) that will tell FireFox to treat ALT as title. I beleive it still uses the ALT for when the image/control cannot be loaded... HTH -

Re: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Robert Munn
>Sad statement about the Democratic party >that the best they could come up with was a warm body. are you sure he's a warm body? ;-) [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]

RE: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Thanks. I agree to disagree with you at this point.   -Original Message-   From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 4:21 PM   To: CF-Community   Subject: Re: Kerry's record in Senate   Yeah, see that's exactly the problem. I'm personally not fond of the

Re: Religious oppression in action

2004-08-02 Thread brobborb
Implied by the law? no way!   - Original Message -   From: Ben Doom   To: CF-Community   Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 4:26 PM   Subject: Re: Religious oppression in action   > See there's a difference.  You got in trouble for NOT SAYING IT.  Now   > that is something I am against!  

firefox/alt

2004-08-02 Thread Raymond Camden
This may be a FAQ, and it has something I've noticed for some time now, but just haven't confirmed it. Is there any reason why Firefox seems to ignore ALT tags for images? TITLE tags work, but it is kind of a pain to use both. -- [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscr

Re: Religious oppression in action

2004-08-02 Thread Ben Doom
> See there's a difference.  You got in trouble for NOT SAYING IT.  Now > that is something I am against!  it's not the pledge of allegiance that > should be changed, but the people who are forcing you to say "under > God".  Please don't take it out on the pledge of allegiance! There is still t

Re: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Kevin Graeme
Yeah, see that's exactly the problem. I'm personally not fond of the direction that Bush is leading and I'm more than ready to unhitch the mule. Kerry seems to buck around a bit, and occasionally goes the wrong direction, but seems to be a sure and steady bet. BTW, welcome back. -Kevin On Mon, 2

Re: Religious oppression in action

2004-08-02 Thread Jerry Johnson
And make sure in the letter you let your representative know that if the liquor store is still closed the next time, you intend to stop by his house for a beer Sunday morning. Jerry Johnson >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/02/04 05:14PM >>> Sounds like time to throw a chair through a window. Or maybe wri

Re: Religious oppression in action

2004-08-02 Thread brobborb
See there's a difference.  You got in trouble for NOT SAYING IT.  Now that is something I am against!  it's not the pledge of allegiance that should be changed, but the people who are forcing you to say "under God".  Please don't take it out on the pledge of allegiance! >So I think we can just agr

Re: Religious oppression in action

2004-08-02 Thread Kevin Graeme
Sounds like time to throw a chair through a window. Or maybe write a letter to your local representative. One or the other. -Kevin On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 10:21:26 -0400, John Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, that's right I was forced by laws written in the past to conform to > someone elses

Re: Fearmongers at it again

2004-08-02 Thread Kevin Graeme
This thread appears aptly named. -Kevin On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:41:34 -0400, Tony Weeg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > or better yet, leaked misinformed information solely meant to throw us > off, for real attacks in opposing areas of the states... > > or better yet, attack small town america, get th

RE: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Andy Ousterhout
I am looking for some sign that Kerry actually has a perspective that he believes and and works to sell it.  As opposed to going with the majority. Leaders help show their constituents a new and better way of moving forward. They are out ahead, pulling everyone along with them, not being pushed. A

Re: Religious oppression in action

2004-08-02 Thread Ben Doom
> I'm in the crowd that wants the Pledge of Allegiance in School as it is, > not because I'm religious, but because it never really bothered anybody > in the first place, except for money hungry lawyers.  You can just > tolerate it, you can fight against it, or you can be really anal about > it

RE: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Andy Ousterhout
What would that message be?  And I guess it depends on what your foreign policy would be.  It would certainly add some policy.  Just not sure if it would help one I would care about.  Ultimately, we must make Iraq work.  When it does, everything else will be better.  Whether we like it or not, succ

RE: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Sam Morris
--- "Tangorre, Michael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What has Bush done to show that he deserves to stay > in and lead? Let's > recap: > > Gave the wealthiest Americans a tax break while the > middle class continues > to struggle.. Not to mention the less fortunate of > the US still get shafted.

Re: Fearmongers at it again

2004-08-02 Thread brobborb
Anyone seen Bowling for Columbine?  If you have, I just wanna say, Canada is a nice place!! :)  I want neighbors like that!  I dont want to be afraid of someone jacking my house hehe.   - Original Message -   From: Tony Weeg   To: CF-Community   Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 3:41 PM

Re: Religious oppression in action

2004-08-02 Thread brobborb
This is just me, I love beer, i would just be like, "oh well I guess I'll wait till noon to buy the beer"  I wouldn't really go as far as making a complaint, because waitint gtill noon to buy beer on sunday, vs. having a fit a religious people.  Buying beer after noon wins!  I mean it's not like

Re: Fearmongers at it again

2004-08-02 Thread Tony Weeg
or better yet, leaked misinformed information solely meant to throw us off, for real attacks in opposing areas of the states... or better yet, attack small town america, get those people scared to death, that would really send us into a tailspin. i really dont want to live here downwind from dc. 

Re: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Tony Weeg
wrong. if i elect someone, they are to listen to the constituency, and vote based on that. if they arent, i live in north korea, and who cares wtf i say. but we are here, in america, not toby keiths america, my america, your america, our america. god dammit i fuking hate country music go g

RE: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Tangorre, Michael
Wanna know who gets heard?... The people with money, plain and simple. Remember the Golden Rule?... "He who has the gold, makes the rules". > Uh...that sounds like you aren't advocating for the > representative government that we should have and instead > want to edge towards a totalitarian one.

Re: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Kevin Graeme
Uh...that sounds like you aren't advocating for the representative government that we should have and instead want to edge towards a totalitarian one. I'm guessing that's not what you're actually advocating, but there is something to be said for an exec that listens to what people want. -Kevin O

RE: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Tangorre, Michael
> Sorry, you and I live in different pools of knowledge.   > Example:  I just came back from a Toby Keith concert.  Cowboy > way is the American way Toby Keith is an entertainer, what does that have to do with the Cowboy way? Also, a lot of country singers are form Canada nowadays, so maybe we co

Re: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Howie Hamlin
I thought Joe Klein's article had some good insights. Regards, Howie   - Original Message -   From: Andy Ousterhout   To: CF-Community   Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 4:08 PM   Subject: RE: Kerry's record in Senate   I think I read it and got nothing from it.  I'll try again.  Perhaps

Re: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Tony Weeg
couldnt it be, though, that the changing of the guard here, bush out - kerry in, would aid in our foreign policy.  it would send the LARGEST message to the world.  far louder than any incumbent group's policy shift.  they dont like bush, no one does, and as the days go on, their anger is fueled mor

Re: Religious oppression in action

2004-08-02 Thread Ben Doom
brobborb wrote: >  >So it'd be okay to make eating pork illegal, and enforce that when >  >necessary, so long as no one's religion requires the eating of pork? > > Well of course, if no one is affected by that law, then why would they > care.  I'm sure there are alot of blue laws here that are we

RE: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Andy Ousterhout
That's what followers do.  Not what leaders do.  They sell their beliefs effectively.   -Original Message-   From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 2:59 PM   To: CF-Community   Subject: Re: Kerry's record in Senate   and one step further jim, a presidenti

RE: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Andy Ousterhout
I've been having a parallel discussion with another group.  Consensus: Nothing pro or con to be found in his record.  All and all, very non-descript. Best I can tell, is his last leadership role was in the 70's. Andy   -Original Message-   From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   Sent:

RE: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Andy Ousterhout
I'll look at it tonight.   -Original Message-   From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 2:17 PM   To: CF-Community   Subject: Re: Kerry's record in Senate   I wasn't posting it as a for/against comment. Just information. It's   worth noting that the lis

RE: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Sorry, you and I live in different pools of knowledge.  Example:  I just came back from a Toby Keith concert.  Cowboy way is the American way And I agree that in many cases change is good.  Perhaps at the last election, before we knew that Clinton excesses where going to tube the economy and 9/11.

RE: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Sandy Clark
Hmm line monster. http://www.vote-smart.org/bio.php?can_id=S0421103   _   From: Sandy Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 3:40 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Kerry's record in Senate This might be a better voting record for Kerry, gives a lot more information

Re: Religious oppression in action

2004-08-02 Thread brobborb
>So it'd be okay to make eating pork illegal, and enforce that when >necessary, so long as no one's religion requires the eating of pork? Well of course, if no one is affected by that law, then why would they care.  I'm sure there are alot of blue laws here that are weird and prolly dumb, but I o

RE: Hair-cuts.......

2004-08-02 Thread Tangorre, Michael
LOL > I think this is the third or fourth time this joke's been > posted and the same thing always annoys every time: I know > that jokes require suspension of disbelief, but this one > requires me to assume that Bush is quick-witted. > There's only so much absurdity my brain can handle.  ;^) >

RE: Religious oppression in action

2004-08-02 Thread Jim Davis
Um. boobies? Jim Davis From: Marlon Moyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 3:55 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Religious oppression in action Wait Ben, if we voted to make him a eunuch first, what will a sex change entail? [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscript

RE: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Jim Davis
We should be able to compare Kerry's (and Edward's for that matter) participation relative to other campaigning senators for this year and other senators in general for previous years.  It would be interesting to see if Kerry's participation was actually affected by his campaigning. Since Bush nev

RE: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Andy Ousterhout
I think I read it and got nothing from it.  I'll try again.  Perhaps it has lots of worthless info or I was brain-dead.  Both are possible and perhaps probable.  I'll let you know   -Original Message-   From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 1:57 PM

RE: Hair-cuts.......

2004-08-02 Thread Jim Davis
I think this is the third or fourth time this joke's been posted and the same thing always annoys every time: I know that jokes require suspension of disbelief, but this one requires me to assume that Bush is quick-witted. There's only so much absurdity my brain can handle.  ;^) Jim Davis From: J

RE: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Jerry Johnson
From what I remember from high school (my best friend's Mom was a state rep and worked for US Rep Sam Gedjenson), the longer you are in the house or senate, the more likely you are to miss votes. This is due to realizing their vote doesn't really count unless it is a close vote.  They are often in

Re: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Tony Weeg
and one step further jim, a presidentially-campaigning senator.  also, isnt it the job of any delegate to vote as his/her constituency dictates?  they are just representatives of our states/legislative districts.  so they vote how their underlings want them to vote? right?  so why blame any of them

Re: Kerry's record in Senate

2004-08-02 Thread Kevin Graeme
Was there supposed to be a link with that? -Kevin On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:39:49 -0400, Sandy Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This might be a better voting record for Kerry, gives a lot more information > too. > >   _ > > From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, August 0

RE: Religious oppression in action

2004-08-02 Thread Marlon Moyer
Wait Ben, if we voted to make him a eunuch first, what will a sex change entail? > -Original Message- > From: Ben Doom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 2:49 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Religious oppression in action > > brobborb wrote: > > For your first

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