Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-28 Thread G Money
Forget it.i think a liberal could take a giant shit in your living room, and you'd spin it as some new great social program. Ann Coultier could whip out her penis and start beating it against Sam's head, and he'd claim it was good for the economy some how. What a joke. You partisans claim to

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-28 Thread William Bowen
So you just can't do it without watering down the meaning. So you just can't admit that hypocrisy is rampant on all sides of the spectrum? It's only hypocrisy in its truest form when you oppose the viewpoint of the one you're accusing of hypocrisy? But for fuck's sake don't let that stop you

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-28 Thread Dana
true enough On 2/27/07, Robert Munn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, that's all part of his shtick, but I don't think he is any more of a poseur in that sense than most politicians. I've always wondered how much of the born-again thing was real and how much was for show, but again he would

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-28 Thread Dana
Meh. I just don't have time to attempt to prove or disprove. Or maybe it's too much apathy. I just can't get excited over Gore's electric bill. Perhaps it's hypocrisy, I dunno -- I'd have to look at whether he actually preached that people *should* something rather than merely listed things you

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-28 Thread Dana
Speaking of which -- here's a good one; I was listening to a story about this on the way to work this morning. How feds' top environmental prosecutor built home with big-oil lobbyist By John Heilprin By John Heilprin WASHINGTON -- A House committee will investigate and request documents on a

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-28 Thread Sam
On 2/28/07, G Money [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ann Coultier could whip out her penis and start beating it against Sam's head, and he'd claim it was good for the economy some how. Gee, thanks for that visual. What a joke. You partisans claim to be able to see through your biaswell, not from

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-28 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: Is he a hypocrite or not? As previously mentioned, if he believes in offsets then no. If he doesn't then yes. Take Dell: in order to ensure their power hungry PCs are green they're asking for a donation to offset. In this way you can't call them hypocritical for making PCs but

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-28 Thread Sam
On 2/28/07, William Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you just can't admit that hypocrisy is rampant on all sides of the spectrum? It's only hypocrisy in its truest form when you oppose the viewpoint of the one you're accusing of hypocrisy? We are talking about Al Gore, and instead of saying

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-28 Thread Dana
I'm not sure whether I agree with Gruss. I think I might, but I have to think about it. My answer however is that I don't know. If he is though, he is a hypocrite in a relatively small way, especially when compared to people who claim to represent the people of the United States of America yet

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-28 Thread Sam
I didn't want to mention Gores connection to ConocoPhillips, I figured it was a different issue. On 2/28/07, Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of which -- here's a good one; I was listening to a story about this on the way to work this morning.

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-28 Thread William Bowen
We are talking about Al Gore, and instead of saying yes, he is a hypocrite, you insist on saying: everyone does it so it is the norm. It is not. By pointing to Bush and Rush you are telling people to ignore the man behind the curtain. Please only put quotes around words I actually say. 1. I

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-28 Thread William Bowen
I didn't want to mention Gores connection to ConocoPhillips, I figured it was a different issue. oh, oh! I own stock in ConocoPhillips, can I be implicated too!?! -- will If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable. - Carrie Fisher

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-28 Thread Sam
Let's use a better analogy. I get 32 miles a gallon and you get 18. Therefore, you pay me for 8-mile credits and we are both at 25. In reality you justified using more without cutting anything because I was not planning to max out my carbon footprint anyway. Where is the savings? If you went

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-28 Thread Sam
On 2/28/07, William Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. I did say Gore is a hypocrite. I pointed out Rush, Bush and Clinton, simply because you _only_ get apoplectic about hypocrisy when it is the guy with the opposing viewpoint. However, those are different threads. Well good for you Sam,

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-28 Thread Sam
You are correct http://www.thenation.com/doc/2522/silverstein/ On 2/28/07, Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My answer however is that I don't know. If he is though, he is a hypocrite in a relatively small way, especially when compared to people who claim to represent the people of the

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-28 Thread Dana
feel free...has he given them a pass on cleaning up any toxic waste dumps lately? On 2/28/07, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't want to mention Gores connection to ConocoPhillips, I figured it was a different issue. On 2/28/07, Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of which -- here's a

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-28 Thread Dana
where's the fun in that? On 2/28/07, William Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't want to mention Gores connection to ConocoPhillips, I figured it was a different issue. oh, oh! I own stock in ConocoPhillips, can I be implicated too!?! -- will If my life weren't funny, it would

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-28 Thread Robert Munn
But Dana, that's the core of the issue. Gore has spent the last decade pimping the idea that we are on the road to wiping out the entire planet, and he is doing far more than the average American, and certainly far, far more than the average person on the planet, to make it come true. On 2/28/07,

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-28 Thread Dana
has he? Is he? I'm still looking for the point of Sammy's link Dana On 2/28/07, Robert Munn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But Dana, that's the core of the issue. Gore has spent the last decade pimping the idea that we are on the road to wiping out the entire planet, and he is doing far more

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-28 Thread Dana
I am correct am I? About what? This link seems to have been posted in a sarcastic attempt to show that Gore is a bad person, but I don't see anything here about waiving enforcement. It says that Gore's dad owned stock in Occidental, that Occidental gave Gore Jr campaign contributions and that the

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-28 Thread Dana
I am correct am I? About what? This link seems to have been posted in an attempt to show that Gore is a bad person, but I don't see anything here about waiving enforcement. It says that Gore's dad owned stock in Occidental, that On 2/28/07, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are correct

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-28 Thread Sam
My bad, wrong link. http://www.thenation.com/doc/2522/silverstein/2 Here's a tidbit: Occidental's investment in Gore has paid rich dividends. In late 1997 the Vice President championed the Administration's $3.65 billion sale to the company of the government's interest in the Elk Hills

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-28 Thread Dana
oops. The end of the paragraph was that it says that Occidental gave Gore campain contributions and that Clinton administration policies may have helped Occidental to drill in Columbia. All interesting if true and let's assume for a moment it is; it still doesn't really connect any dots does it?

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-28 Thread Sam
On the very day the deal was sealed Gore gave a speech lamenting the growing threat of global warming It actually connects the dots about the Gore GW hypocrisy. You threw in some lady I never heard of postponing for a year or two, not cancelling a cleanup. While I agree she was wrong, those dots

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-28 Thread Russel Madere
To anyone not enfatuated with him or his ideas, yes he is. This is a pure case of perception. Gore puts forth the perception that he is super green. He tells us we need to live a lifestyle reducing CO2 emmisions because that is the greatest cause of global warming. Now we learn that for the

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-28 Thread Dana
tell that to Elkton MD as they live with their Superfund site :) that lady was in charge of enforcing pollution law. For the entire country. Arguably more powerful than a vice-president. On 2/28/07, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the very day the deal was sealed Gore gave a speech lamenting the

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-28 Thread Sam
What does she have to do with Al Gore? Can we stay focused? Do you want to start a new thread about how this awful woman is creating global warming? On 2/28/07, Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tell that to Elkton MD as they live with their Superfund site :) that lady was in charge of enforcing

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-28 Thread Dana
I thought the topic was hypocrisy? That was what got her mentioned as a poster child. ::shrug:: If it's Al Gore, whatever. He's a yawn even when he's in bed in the Lincoln Room with a lobbyist. On 2/28/07, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What does she have to do with Al Gore? Can we stay focused?

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-28 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: If you went around the world and balanced everyone's carbon footprint, we could all use more without guilt. It is stupid. It's not about *us* doing it, it's about *you* doing it. So, for example, let's say that because my car gets 12mpg I decide that anything under 100mpg is not

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-28 Thread Sam
On 2/28/07, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The theory being that the Earth can stand only, say, 100 carbon units per year. If we trade carbon units on a carbon market such that the end result is 95 carbon units per year, we're carbon negative. So, maybe your allocation is 1 carbon

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-28 Thread Dana
Sam actually has a point. Alert the media. :) who loves ya, Sam. Dana How did that money lower your carbon footprint? Did the government plant trees with that money? That tax is to discourage you from polluting but I see it did not work. I guess having money affords you the right to force

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-28 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: How much carbon did you prevent? None. I did all the saving and you decide my doing the work was good enough rather than having everyone chip in. Alot! You didn't use a car, earned a credit, and I bought it from you. Therefore I own your work and the benefits; just like your

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread Robert Munn
lol ;-) On 2/26/07, Gruss wrote: RoMunn wrote: GORE MANSION USES 20X AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD Oh you're just jealous because Gore has a mansion and hollywood chicks. -- --- Robert Munn www.funkymojo.com ~|

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread Robert Munn
Consider Jean-Paul Sarte, who says that existence precedes essence, that we exist as a blank slate and then define ourselves through our actions. We are what we are because of our actions. On 2/26/07, Dinner wrote: While what someone does, can be nifty, that shouldn't be what you base your

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread Dana
and furthermore that failure to act makes you less than human, and that some action, even imperfect, is better than none...see The Flies. Also that hell is other people :) (see No Exit) so why concern yourself with them? Seriously, maybe he needs the electricity for his grow lights ;) who knows?

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread Dana
More accountability. I don't think you should be able to say whoops, that batch of drugs is toxic, so let's sell it in South America. Or gee, we could clean up our toxic slop from the 50s but it's so much easier to just be reborn as another company and let Superfund pick up the tab. I don't have

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread G Money
You don't care that his entire public crusade against Global Warming has been an attempt to get YOU to do things that he is either unable, or unwilling, to do himself? That doesn't bug you in the least I've always thought Gore was a big old douche bag...so none of this surprises me in the

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread Dana
has it? What does he advocate exactly? On 2/27/07, G Money [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You don't care that his entire public crusade against Global Warming has been an attempt to get YOU to do things that he is either unable, or unwilling, to do himself? That doesn't bug you in the least

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread Sam
Tuesdays chuckle: Ann Coulter: I kind of respect him more, it shows he is not stupid enough to believe all this global warming nonsense. He's trying to get us to believe. Okay, fine, he may be a hypocrite but at least he's not a moron. On 2/27/07, Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: has it? What does

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread Dana
who cares what Ann Coulter thinks? On 2/27/07, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tuesdays chuckle: Ann Coulter: I kind of respect him more, it shows he is not stupid enough to believe all this global warming nonsense. He's trying to get us to believe. Okay, fine, he may be a hypocrite but at

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread William Bowen
Tuesdays chuckle: Then she ate a kitten. :-P -- will If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable. - Carrie Fisher ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales marketing dashboard

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread Dana
alive :) On 2/27/07, William Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tuesdays chuckle: Then she ate a kitten. :-P -- will If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable. - Carrie Fisher

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread William Bowen
alive :) well, yeah. -- will If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable. - Carrie Fisher ~| Create Web Applications With ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2. Build powerful, scalable RIAs. Free

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread Sam
Is that your way of sneaking in an Ann's a man dig? On 2/27/07, Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: alive :) On 2/27/07, William Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then she ate a kitten. ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread William Bowen
Is that your way of sneaking in an Ann's a man dig? uh... yes? :-P alive :) Then she ate a kitten. -- will If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable. - Carrie Fisher ~|

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread Dana
::blinks: is that what real men do? ;) Dana On 2/27/07, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that your way of sneaking in an Ann's a man dig? On 2/27/07, Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: alive :) On 2/27/07, William Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then she ate a kitten.

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread Robert Munn
In his movie he advocates that people should conserve electricity in their homes to prevent global warming. Nuf said! And BTW, the story is accurate: http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=nation_worldid=5072659 Kalee Kreider, a spokesperson for the Gores, did not dispute the Center's

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread Dana
I don't know that your link proves that he's a hypocrite. If you read it, it says that they are upgrading the house to make it more weatherproof. Presumably with power tools. I haven't seen the movie or read anything he's written on the topic but it seems to me that reducing unnecessary usage

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread Gruss Gott
Dana wrote: has it? What does he advocate exactly? Anyone? Anybody? Heelll? ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade see new features.

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread Dinner
On 2/27/07, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dana wrote: has it? What does he advocate exactly? Anyone? Anybody? Heelll? Sheesh. EVERYONE knows he's all 'bout the kitten eating. Live kittens. ~| ColdFusion MX7

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread Sam
Go on and type it: H Y P O C R I T E. I know you can do it. If he uses that much power to screw in fluorescent light bulbs and a few solar panels I'll pass. According to this op-ed he never signed on for green energy: http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-08-09-gore-green_x.htm

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread Dinner
On 2/27/07, G Money [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You don't care that his entire public crusade against Global Warming has been an attempt to get YOU to do things that he is either unable, or unwilling, to do himself? That doesn't bug you in the least Well, from a logical perspective, HELL

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread Sam
Why don't you buy his movie so he can pay his electric bill. On 2/27/07, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone? Anybody? Heelll? ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales marketing dashboard RIA’s for your

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread Sam
Dude stop bogarting and pass the sh!t around On 2/27/07, Dinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That doesn't bug you in the least Well, from a logical perspective, HELL NO! You'd be retarded to base your actions on what other people do. Sorta. I mean, it IS a giant video game, with just

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread Dinner
On 2/27/07, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go on and type it: H Y P O C R I T E. Why does that bug you so much? We've already got no child left behind, homeland security, the defense department, and a President! I'd rather everyone all up in arms about global warming than telling me Irakeez were

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread Dinner
'prolly stress induced, don't wanna pass that around. Sike. I'm on cloud nine, at all times. Here, try some! /me passes a bit of cloud 9 Sambo's way On 2/27/07, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude stop bogarting and pass the sh!t around On 2/27/07, Dinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread Sam
Because I want her to notice that her emperor has no clothes On 2/27/07, Dinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why does that bug you so much? We've already got no child left behind, homeland security, the defense department, and a President!

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread Dana
but see Sam... I don't care whether he does or not ;) And I'm assuming you mean Gore? If you ask me emperor is kinda a wierd thing to call him. Maybe Freudian. Look at all the power you're giving him. A whole afternoon you wasted, being pissed off over someone else's electric bill. And a

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread William Bowen
Go on and type it: H Y P O C R I T E. Gore's a hypocrite and so's Rush. and Bush and Clinton and you and me we're all hypocritical about something. Should Gore be reducing his emissions? Absolutely. Is it hypocritical of him to not practice as he preaches? prolly. But for fuck's sake don't let

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread Dana
nice answer. Have some cloud nine. Go on --- you know you wanna. How long has it been since you guys saw the sun up there? On 2/27/07, William Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go on and type it: H Y P O C R I T E. Gore's a hypocrite and so's Rush. and Bush and Clinton and you and me we're

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread William Bowen
nice answer. Have some cloud nine. Go on --- you know you wanna. How long has it been since you guys saw the sun up there? heh. sunshine this morning as a matter of fact. quite nice. wierd day, though. -- will If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread Dana
o. Sunbreaks! in Seattle! In February! that *is* wierd. Dana On 2/27/07, William Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nice answer. Have some cloud nine. Go on --- you know you wanna. How long has it been since you guys saw the sun up there? heh. sunshine this morning as a matter of fact.

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread William Bowen
o. Sunbreaks! in Seattle! In February! that *is* wierd. hehe yeah :-) -- will If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable. - Carrie Fisher ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread Robert Munn
The difference is that Al Gore has spent the better part of the last decade on a very public, alarmist crusade to warn the world that we are all about to die because of our gluttony and disregard for the planet, and he is doing more individually than almost anyone to f#ck it up! He wrote a book

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread Gruss Gott
WillBo wrote: Should Gore be reducing his emissions? Absolutely. Is it hypocritical of him to not practice as he preaches? prolly. But for fuck's sake don't let that stop you from doing what you can do. Just playing devil's advocate, there is a difference between a *general* policy and an

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread Dana
ok. Feel better now? Here's what I *don't* understand. If hypocrisy upsets you this much... how can I ask this politelyhow can you defend Bush? I mean... he's a demonstrated liar and he's in a position to do a LOT of damage. Why does he get a by? On 2/27/07, Robert Munn [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread Sam
On 2/27/07, Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but see Sam... I don't care whether he does or not ;) And I'm assuming you mean Gore? If you ask me emperor is kinda a wierd thing to call him. Maybe Freudian. I guess you never heard the story. Look at all the power you're giving him. A whole

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread Robert Munn
Yes, I feel better with that out of my system, thank you. Bush doesn't get a pass. I don't know about demonstrated liar. If you are referring to Iraq I think he believed the WMD thing at the time, as did many, many others with access to the same information as Bush. Bush deserved to get thumped

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread Sam
On 2/27/07, William Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gore's a hypocrite and so's Rush. and Bush and Clinton and you and me we're all hypocritical about something. So you just can't do it without watering down the meaning. But for fuck's sake don't let that stop you from doing what you can

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread Sam
Offsets are total BS. Wait, no they aren't. Why don't you send me a check for $1,000 and I won't eat tofu for a year. That'll make up for all the damage your car is causing. On 2/27/07, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To complete the point, while Gore may use a lot of electricity he may

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread Dana
OK good. And good to hear it. Even though what I am hearing is that in spite of it all you still think he's basicallya good guy who got in over his head. THat's something, though I personally believe that that persona of the your next door neighbor, who's a bit of a schmuck, is carefully

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread Sam
Does it bother you that Carter pronounces it the same way? On 2/27/07, Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: smarminess? I *really* think it's carefully cultivated. Look, evryone else in his family can pronounce nuclear ~| Create

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: Offsets are total BS. YOU say they are, but if Gore doesn't then he isn't a hypocrite. ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade see new features.

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread Dana
It doesn't bother me that *Bush* pronounces it that way, except that I think it's deliberate and carefully cultivated. On 2/27/07, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does it bother you that Carter pronounces it the same way? On 2/27/07, Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: smarminess? I *really* think

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread Sam
He'd be a moron. Maybe I'll ask him for the check. On 2/27/07, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YOU say they are, but if Gore doesn't then he isn't a hypocrite. ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-27 Thread Robert Munn
Yes, that's all part of his shtick, but I don't think he is any more of a poseur in that sense than most politicians. I've always wondered how much of the born-again thing was real and how much was for show, but again he would hardly be setting a new standard there. On 2/27/07, Dana wrote: It

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-26 Thread Gruss Gott
Dana wrote: In modern American law corporations have the rights of persons bu none of he responsibilities. Assuming all of this is true (I'm no legal scholar), then it's still not a problem with corporations: the first four words of you sentence are In modern American Law.

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-26 Thread Dinner
Moving along at near super-sonic speeds, Capt. Gott pulls the eject lever. On 2/26/07, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Assuming all of this is true (I'm no legal scholar), then it's still not a problem with corporations: the first four words of you sentence are In modern American

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-26 Thread Dana
of course it is. You are splitting hairs. Exactly what legal environment do you think we live in? Problems in modern American law are problems that exist here today. ::eyeroll:: If you are trying to say that it is a lagal problem, the answer again is of course. A corporation is a legal entity. You

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-26 Thread Robert Munn
Have you read Post Capitalist Society, by Peter Drucker? We are corporations, because we own them, bit by bit, through funds and pensions. Corporations do not have the responsibilities of individuals, but the individuals who make up the staff and shareholders of corporations do. Pension plans and

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-26 Thread Dana
I separate them just fine Robert it's just that saying that well, RJ Reynolds killed a million people or two pushing a product that they knew damn well was lethal, but their stockholders who made a profit thereby are all really nice people individually just doesn't do it for me somehow. I hear

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-26 Thread Gruss Gott
Dana wrote: of course. A corporation is a legal entity. You are patronizing the wrong girl, Let's try this from a different angle: if you claim that corporations are a huge problem, what is it that you claim is the solution?

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-26 Thread Dana
well they are pretty entrenched you know, so that's a big question. I suppose that campaign finance reform might be a start. It's a start that would probably take 30 years to take effect, but it's a start. On 2/26/07, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dana wrote: of course. A corporation

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-26 Thread Gruss Gott
Dana wrote: well they are pretty entrenched you know, so that's a big question. I suppose that campaign finance reform might be a start. It's a start that would probably take 30 years to take effect, but it's a start. What's the goal? The elimination of corporations or better regulation or

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-26 Thread Robert Munn
Back to the original point of the thread, I just saw this little tidbit on Drudge: * * POWER: GORE MANSION USES 20X AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD; CONSUMPTION INCREASE AFTER 'TRUTH' Mon Feb 26 2007 17:16:14 ET The Tennessee Center for Policy Research, an independent, nonprofit and nonpartisan research

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-26 Thread Dinner
While what someone does, can be nifty, that shouldn't be what you base your decisions on. Rather, there's this Buddha quote: Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-26 Thread Gruss Gott
RoMunn wrote: GORE MANSION USES 20X AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD Oh you're just jealous because Gore has a mansion and hollywood chicks. ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2. Free Trial

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-25 Thread Gruss Gott
Dana wrote: yes, Gruss, there is. Pity you can't see that. Well, Dana, if you think so, pity you can't explain it. ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2. Free Trial

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-25 Thread Dinner
I liked these two: http://tinyurl.com/2kp7nr http://tinyurl.com/3adugw From this thread: http://tinyurl.com/3blyfl I think we all agree, Corps ain't perfect. And could be better. Aren't we all sorta saying the same thing? BUT: cf-community is like a group of common purpose people

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-25 Thread Dana
i'm behind at work and on 2 side products and i know how deaf you can be. And I'm pecking all this out on a tablet. I plain don't have time to play, except that the smug tone of the early part of this thread got to me. but ok. Did you ever see the movie A Civil Affair?

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-24 Thread Dana
you're deliberately misunderstanding me. The city council is not in the business of taking land. It may from time to time, but on the whole, this is not what it is about. Corporations on the other hand are about maximizing shareholder return, ie profit. All that is ALL that they are concerned

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-24 Thread Gruss Gott
Dana wrote: you're deliberately misunderstanding me. The city council is not in the business of taking land. That's completely logically inconsistent. City Councils are in the business of maximizing citizen value and that's all they're in the business to do. If they think your house does

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-24 Thread Dana
yes, Gruss, there is. Pity you can't see that. The point being that there's nothing special about a corporation that makes it any different than any other group of humans gathered for a common purpose. ~| Macromedia

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-23 Thread Robert Munn
I don't disagree with you. In this case the people in opposition lost. What that says to me is that you don't always win. On 2/22/07, Dana wrote: I think the Navaho *council* has decided that the benefits outweigh the risks. So government as a check on corporate interests - not. Not in

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-23 Thread Gruss Gott
Dana wrote: I'm not opposed to corporations per se... that's a little straw man you set up N ... you set it up. You said, corporations would have us believe otherwise, but since when did they have our best interests in mind And I pointed out that their interests are aligned with what you

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-23 Thread Dana
not at all. I don o 't give a damn what Walmart's quarterly earnings are like, so how could our interests coincide? You've been drinking the koolaid again:) On 2/23/07, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dana wrote: I'm not opposed to corporations per se... that's a little straw man you

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-23 Thread Dana
So don't tell checks and balances are protecting me , or I will laugh ;) On 2/23/07, Robert Munn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't disagree with you. In this case the people in opposition lost. What that says to me is that you don't always win. On 2/22/07, Dana wrote: I think the Navaho

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-23 Thread Gruss Gott
WalMart wrote: not at all. I don o 't give a damn what Walmart's quarterly earnings are like, so how could our interests coincide? You've been drinking the koolaid again:) So what about the city council that stomps on a family farm or takes a family's property that's been in their family for

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-23 Thread Andrew Grosset
Yes you're right and the book looks interesting to say the least. PS Michael: I notice my email address is appearing whenever someone responds to a posting I made - any chance that this can be removed in the future? thanks, Andrew. The article doesn't actually say anything...guess we need to

Re: Al Gore may get a PhD in Climatology

2007-02-22 Thread G Money
He also believes in Manbearpig. On 2/21/07, Robert Munn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am skeptical of the science around GW in general, that's not the issue. Al Gore believes it, so he ought to live by what he believes. -- She's a PhD in I told you so You've a knighthood in I'm not listening

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