Still have to gather the materials and any large order of fertilizer is
investigated leaving a need for bombs using less traceable materials.
I wonder who defines "large?" I remember a factoid, maybe false, about the
questioning of the store which sold the fertilizer that was used in Oklahom
> What is your suggestion?
>
> Tim
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 9:16 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Authorities arrest men with NYC maps, video
>
>
> yes and if so is just deporting them the best thing
> Michael Dinowitz wrote:
>> While NY isn't as secure as Israel is, the cops here do have dogs and I'd
>> bet that those dogs are well trained in bomb sniffing.
>
> And how many of those dogs do you have to pass when you drive a pickup
> into a tunnel under the Hudson?
There are random searches of
no real proof of a conspiracy?
>
> What is your suggestion?
>
> Tim
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 9:16 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Authorities arrest men with NYC maps, video
>
>
> yes
Michael Dinowitz wrote:
> While NY isn't as secure as Israel is, the cops here do have dogs and I'd
> bet that those dogs are well trained in bomb sniffing.
And how many of those dogs do you have to pass when you drive a pickup into a
tunnel under the Hudson?
> Also, getting a large
> fertili
Sam wrote:
> Dana knows one that will work for $7 hr.
I won't :)
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On 7/26/05, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've emailed the author to get the full story of the book and its current
> status. If it's still in print and available I'll see what I can do.
>
>
> > mike..
> > can you get me a copy?
> >
> > On 7/26/05, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PRO
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Authorities arrest men with NYC maps, video
yes and if so is just deporting them the best thing to do either?
Dana
On 7/26/05, Kevin Graeme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> They didn't have visas and that's good enough for me for an arrest.
> Bu
Well there was a tip. A lot could depend on what the tip was about.
On 7/26/05, Kevin Graeme wrote:
> They didn't have visas and that's good enough for me for an arrest.
> But to claim that anyone with money, a map, and a video camera is a
> terrorist is just silly. They may or they may not be ter
yes and if so is just deporting them the best thing to do either?
Dana
On 7/26/05, Kevin Graeme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> They didn't have visas and that's good enough for me for an arrest.
> But to claim that anyone with money, a map, and a video camera is a
> terrorist is just silly. They ma
They didn't have visas and that's good enough for me for an arrest.
But to claim that anyone with money, a map, and a video camera is a
terrorist is just silly. They may or they may not be terrorists. The
mere presence of map, money and video camera though are no way to
determine that.
I suspect t
used to. This was about ten years ago. I wonder what happened to him,
actually. I am sure he got a better job. He was very bright. And an
electrical engineer, I think.
dana
On 7/26/05, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dana knows one that will work for $7 hr.
>
> On 7/26/05, Jochem van Dieten wr
I've emailed the author to get the full story of the book and its current
status. If it's still in print and available I'll see what I can do.
> mike..
> can you get me a copy?
>
> On 7/26/05, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> The question is, what type of subway maps did they have.
While NY isn't as secure as Israel is, the cops here do have dogs and I'd
bet that those dogs are well trained in bomb sniffing. Also, getting a large
fertilizer bomb into a 'good' location is not as easy as one may think,
especially here.
On the other hand, the bombing material used in the Lond
Dana knows one that will work for $7 hr.
On 7/26/05, Jochem van Dieten wrote:
> Chemical engineers don't mix fertilizer with diesel fuel. We have people for
> that while we are looking from a safe distance.
>
> Making explosives is so easy that no sane organization would risk chemical
> engine
mike..
can you get me a copy?
On 7/26/05, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The question is, what type of subway maps did they have. The normal train
> maps are useful in and of themselves, but there are maps (and books) that
> have details about the NY subway system that are VERY dang
yep, no quarrel with that. Just saying, if they *weren't* illegal.
You'd want to know what they were up to, right? I mean, the news story
seems to be saying that these are not routine illegal aliens, because
of the maps and because of the money.
If you think about it, it's not *that* much money. T
Michael Dinowitz wrote:
> There are many explosions in Gaza. What from? Mistakes in mixing up the
> various chemicals to make bombs. Anyone can mix up a bomb. Only people with
> training can do it right. And it's usually something a lot more complex than
> fertilizer and fuel.
It only has to be
From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 3:28 PM
>> To: CF-Community
>> Subject: Re: Authorities arrest men with NYC maps, video
>>
>>
>> Actually, it wasn't Egyptians that were attacked but a tourist
>> hotel where
>possibly even surveillance
What? Arrest and deportation. They are here illegally. Period. If they
did nothing else wrong they still broke the law coming here.
Jeez.
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> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 3:28 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Authorities arrest men
Dude, are you serious?
At a minimum it makes them:
ALREADY CRIMINALS
jesus they didn't have visas!!
Tim
> -Original Message-
> From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 3:20 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Authorities arre
There are many explosions in Gaza. What from? Mistakes in mixing up the
various chemicals to make bombs. Anyone can mix up a bomb. Only people with
training can do it right. And it's usually something a lot more complex than
fertilizer and fuel.
> Chemical engineers don't mix fertilizer with di
Maybe, maybe not. The book was a coffee table style book done back when
coffee table books on NY were all the rage (pre-9/11). It wasn't targeted to
the aficionados. I got one because he's a friend (and I got a discount)
I'm still waiting to hear if it was ever actually released, banned or what.
no worries.
No, we don't know for sure, either of us. But I think unreasoning fear
benefits both the terrorists -- there really are some -- and the
administration. Check it out, sure. Deport them since they are
illegal, sure. Jump to the conclusion that there was a terrorist
attack in the makin
SStewart wrote:
> 5 unemployed illegal chemical engineers with video, $8K and subway
> maps. $8K will buy a lot of fertilizer
Chemical engineers don't mix fertilizer with diesel fuel. We have people for
that while we are looking from a safe distance.
Making explosives is so easy that no sane o
Ray Champagne wrote:
> Dana, I'm usually on your side, but I think it's easy for you to sit
> back and postulate from way across the country. If you were living in
> NYC, I think you'd have a different perspective. There are just too
> many "coincidences" in this scenario to not have it raise
Michael Dinowitz wrote:
> The question is, what type of subway maps did they have. The normal train
> maps are useful in and of themselves, but there are maps (and books) that
> have details about the NY subway system that are VERY dangerous. A friend of
> mine published one such book a while ba
rcass... and thus the Pipes were born"
the Scottish Rogues
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From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 05:20 pm
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Authorities arrest men with NYC maps, video
Importance: Low
> Ray Champagne <
1. All of the media is biased. The question is in what way.
2. In NY, the media is rather clueless as to what's really happening in a
LOT of cases.
3. If you want to know the real stories in NY, get a good contact in the EMS
or police.
> Do you have to be a liberal to think that Fox News is bia
> Ray Champagne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No, you don't have to be liberal to think that Fox News is biased.
Fox News: Hitler's Vision, Our Truth.
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No, you don't have to be liberal to think that Fox News is biased.
That's about as close to fact as one can get. :) I just thought it was
funny that it was brought into the discussion when it really hadn't been
about politics/left/right/rep/demo/etc. I guess I see where you're
coming from wit
ana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 04:56 pm
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Authorities arrest men with NYC maps, video
Importance: Low
Maybe the money was for bribes, hmm? Maybe they weren't sure how that
would go over, or perhaps they decided that since they were caught
run run run Marlon... the men in black have seen this now!
Dana
On 7/26/05, Marlon Moyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You think you're scared, crap! I've got an atlas of the whole U.S. in
> my home. Gotta go quick and get rid of it.
>
>
> On 7/26/05, Kevin Graeme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
t;
> -Original Message-
> From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 04:33 pm
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Authorities arrest men with NYC maps, video
> Importance: Low
>
> Exactly what part of the scenario cannot be explained by being an
>
Do you have to be a liberal to think that Fox News is biased? If so I
am, I guess. Some of the people on this list sure seem to think so,
though I personally think I'm fairly centrist.
As for safely across the country... I'm about two miles from a huge
nuclear stockpile :) If New Mexico seceded it
You think you're scared, crap! I've got an atlas of the whole U.S. in
my home. Gotta go quick and get rid of it.
On 7/26/05, Kevin Graeme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Okay, wait a sec while I run home to get rid of my NY maps before
> Homeland Security molests me. :-|
>
> If the police are goin
I'll have to re-read as I didn't see anything about an attack in the 'old
market'.
>I read that there were two separate attack locations. One was an
> "infidel" tourist hotel, but the other was detonated in the "Old
> Market" catering to working-class Egyptians.
>
> Of the 88 dead, 71 were Egyp
the Scottish Rogues
-Original Message-
From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 04:33 pm
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Authorities arrest men with NYC maps, video
Importance: Low
Exactly what part of the scenario cannot be explained by being an
illegal alien
Dana, I'm usually on your side, but I think it's easy for you to sit
back and postulate from way across the country. If you were living in
NYC, I think you'd have a different perspective. There are just too
many "coincidences" in this scenario to not have it raise a red flag.
Also, I think yo
were born"
> >
> > the Scottish Rogues
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-
> > From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 04:20 pm
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Authorities arrest men with
good point and if it's the latter then I withdraw my comments.
Dana
On 7/26/05, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The question is, what type of subway maps did they have. The normal train
> maps are useful in and of themselves, but there are maps (and books) that
> have details about
I read that there were two separate attack locations. One was an
"infidel" tourist hotel, but the other was detonated in the "Old
Market" catering to working-class Egyptians.
Of the 88 dead, 71 were Egyptian.
On 7/26/05, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Actually, it wasn't Egyptians
Exactly what part of the scenario cannot be explained by being an
illegal alien? I see a lot of innuendo. "Holed up," forsooth. Since
when is a subway map evidence of bad intent?
Dana
On 7/26/05, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dana wrote:
> > mmm. Maps of New York City. Obviously terr
gt; Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 04:20 pm
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Authorities arrest men with NYC maps, video
> Importance: Low
>
>> Dana wrote:
>> mmm. Maps of New York City. Obviously terrorists.
>>
>
> 5 illegals holed up in an apt with video, $8000, N
yup. deportation is justified on the face of it if they are here
illegally. The rest... maybe it's bad guys, maybe it's a
made-for-Fox-News photo opportunity...
Dana
On 7/26/05, Kevin Graeme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Okay, wait a sec while I run home to get rid of my NY maps before
> Homeland
The question is, what type of subway maps did they have. The normal train
maps are useful in and of themselves, but there are maps (and books) that
have details about the NY subway system that are VERY dangerous. A friend of
mine published one such book a while back and it was either banned or b
Actually, it wasn't Egyptians that were attacked but a tourist hotel where
most of the people were foreigners. The news is trying to tie this to the
Taba attack last year which was also a tourist hotel mostly filled with
Israelis there for the holidays. I wonder how many Israelis were in this
h
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 04:20 pm
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Authorities arrest men with NYC maps, video
Importance: Low
> Dana wrote:
> mmm. Maps of New York City. Obviously terrorists.
>
5 illegals holed up in an apt with video, $8000, NY Subway ma
> Dana wrote:
> mmm. Maps of New York City. Obviously terrorists.
>
5 illegals holed up in an apt with video, $8000, NY Subway maps? They
ain't tourists!
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Okay, wait a sec while I run home to get rid of my NY maps before
Homeland Security molests me. :-|
If the police are going to arrest everyone in NY with some cash, a
map, and a video camera they're going to be very very busy. The only
thing we know to justify an arrest is that they didn't have va
mmm. Maps of New York City. Obviously terrorists.
Dana
On 7/26/05, Kevin Graeme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's not like Egypt didn't just suffer their own terrorist attack that
> killed 88 and injured over 100 more.
>
> -Kevin
>
> On 7/26/05, Tony Weeg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > egypt,
very true.
On 7/26/05, Kevin Graeme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's not like Egypt didn't just suffer their own terrorist attack that
> killed 88 and injured over 100 more.
>
> -Kevin
>
> On 7/26/05, Tony Weeg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > egypt, once a beautiful land full of majestic monumen
It's not like Egypt didn't just suffer their own terrorist attack that
killed 88 and injured over 100 more.
-Kevin
On 7/26/05, Tony Weeg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> egypt, once a beautiful land full of majestic monuments to the gods,
> temples as far as the eye can see... keep fucking with us...
egypt, once a beautiful land full of majestic monuments to the gods,
temples as far as the eye can see... keep fucking with us...
now one big layer of glass, towels and heads.
better known as a post nuclear walmartville!
tw
On 7/26/05, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Or their bathtub
Or their bathtub...
" The men, all of whom claimed to be unemployed civil or chemical engineers..."
On 7/26/05, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Brian wrote:
> > Get the feeling something awful might have been averted:
> >
> > http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=978963
> >
>
> Whoa! Scar
> Brian wrote:
> Get the feeling something awful might have been averted:
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=978963
>
Whoa! Scary. I hope they can track their control down. They're
getting the money from somewhere and I bet they've got explosives in a
storage locker somewhere.
~~~
Get the feeling something awful might have been averted:
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