>Very interesting.
>
I'll have to dig up my report, but it was a very cursory meta-analysis, there
were a lot of things I did not correct for that could have distorted the
results somewhat, like range restriction (what populations the samples were
derived from for instance - ministers vs felons
> gMoney wrote:
> Put another way, they do what is right simply because it's rightand to
> believers, I think at it's core, what is "right" flows from something they
> believe to be a higher power than themselves
Well I disagree with just that last bit. I think people use religion
to *aff
On Nov 9, 2007 10:10 AM, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Most people are stuck in the conventional / stage 4 level of moral
> development, cannot handle abstractions, and reference an authority for
> their morality. (For a more detailed explanation see
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohlb
>On Nov 8, 2007 7:23 PM, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> In a word, yes. The ancient Greeks (ie., Socrates and Plato for instance)
>> discussed ethics and morality without reference to a deity. There's an
>> entire branch of philosophy that discusses the concepts, again without
>> refer
On Nov 9, 2007 8:19 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm not so sure that's true, at least not today. Even people that go
> to church regularly, I would argue, don't refrain from, say, stealing,
> because they're afraid of God or because the Bible says don't. I
> would say that they d
> gMoney wrote:
> Absolutely, but the majority of people don'tthe majority of people base
> their morality, at least to some degree, on their spiritual
> beliefswhich, I suppose, is why they suspect people who do not.
>
I'm not so sure that's true, at least not today. Even people that go
On Nov 8, 2007 7:23 PM, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In a word, yes. The ancient Greeks (ie., Socrates and Plato for instance)
> discussed ethics and morality without reference to a deity. There's an
> entire branch of philosophy that discusses the concepts, again without
> referencing
> Dana wrote:
> without fearing that some guy with a beard is
> going to strike you down for committing it.
>
He's not??
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I thnk the point though, is that it is possible to believe that a
given deed is wrong without fearing that some guy with a beard is
going to strike you down for committing it.
On 11/7/07, Dinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Nov 7, 2007 8:17 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 7,
>I thnk the point though, is that it is possible to believe that a
>given deed is wrong without fearing that some guy with a beard is
>going to strike you down for committing it.
In a word, yes. The ancient Greeks (ie., Socrates and Plato for instance)
discussed ethics and morality without refere
On Nov 7, 2007 8:17 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Nov 7, 2007 8:40 AM, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Even granting your argument you would then have to acknowledge that
> > morality
> > does not require any particular belief. Animistic beliefs were the norm
> > for
> >
On Nov 7, 2007 8:40 AM, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Even granting your argument you would then have to acknowledge that
> morality
> does not require any particular belief. Animistic beliefs were the norm
> for
> many thousands of years. Poly-theism was (and still is) very prevalent.
> -Original Message-
> From: G Money [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 8:08 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Boy Scouts Of America
>
> On Nov 6, 2007 6:01 PM, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > There's a ba
On Nov 6, 2007 6:01 PM, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There's a basic "moral" drive. Much of it, if looked at subjectively, can
> be traced to the evolutionary pressures on social animals. Sharing
> resources, cooperative protection of the young, punishment for violence to
> the group -
> From: G Money [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> As to your specific question..and I'm just throwing out ideas
> here.many religious people use their religion as a guide for
> morality.
> Yes, they have an innate sense of right and wrong...but while murder is
> illegal based on the law, it is
> -Original Message-
> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 10:00 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Boy Scouts Of America
>
> > WillBo wrote:
> > Then your Catholic friend is an idiot.
> >
>
> It&#
> G Money wrote:
> > Many people are born into religious settings, and have their morality
> taught
> > to them in the context of religious teachings. To these people, it
> can be
> > very difficult to understand how morality can be separated from the
> > religious teachings...because the two have
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Doom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 9:28 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Boy Scouts Of America
>
> Sure you were. You just didn't know it was bad because you didn't have
> Jesus in y
those guidelines are a joke though :)
On 11/6/07, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Larry wrote:
> > > Private groups do have the right to discriminate as to those they
> > accept into membership.
> >
> > I have no idea what the BSOA receives for cash, but given that
> > churches are ta
If my writing is not very clear on this issue, It's most certainly my
faultas I'm pretty much just thinking out loud here. Haven't really
concretely formed my thoughts in this area. We are obviously being pretty
liberal with our generalizations as well.
As to your specific question..and I'
I understand that religion can become very important to people. But it
scares me that they need religion to maintain morality. I mean, that
implies that the reason these people think that non-religious people are
immoral is because the religious people wouldn't be moral if God didn't
tell the
> Then the catholic stuff starts coming out and ... whoa. You wonder
> how these 2 people can exist in the same body. It's weird. I've
> never seen anything like it. Kinda scary.
I grew up around tons of people just like that.
I used to think they were smart too. Strange how the smallest litt
> Forcing a group to accept any and everyone, and do any and everything
> more or less neuters the principles of that group in the first place.
> The BoyScouts would have to teach and be open to Creationism,
> homosexuality, Satanism, racism (free speech) and many other things
> that would go again
> Forcing a group to accept any and everyone, and do any and everything
> more or less neuters the principles of that group in the first place.
> The BoyScouts would have to teach and be open to Creationism,
> homosexuality, Satanism, racism (free speech) and many other things
> that would go again
> > Larry wrote:
> > Private groups do have the right to discriminate as to those they
> accept into membership.
>
> I have no idea what the BSOA receives for cash, but given that
> churches are tax-exempt that seems like it's own form of payola that
> wouldn't be any different. If you're tax-ex
I think it's important for people of faith to come to understand that
morality can be borne from other sources, and that people who do not share
their religion, or who profess no religious affiliation at allcan be and
usually are, moral upstanding people.
Likewise, atheists or others who profe
That makes an odd amount of sense.
If anyone cares: I'm not an atheist. I'm also not a member of any
established religion.
--BenD
G Money wrote:
> Many people are born into religious settings, and have their morality taught
> to them in the context of religious teachings. To these people, it
amen to that. Though I am thinking that the nuns of my grade school
would have pitied rather than despised an atheist. Not that this is
better -- but I am not sure I agree with the "lacks all morals" train
of thought. A quibble.
On Nov 6, 2007 1:10 AM, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
Many people are born into religious settings, and have their morality taught
to them in the context of religious teachings. To these people, it can be
very difficult to understand how morality can be separated from the
religious teachings...because the two have been intertwined for as long as
they
> Remember. Pillage, then burn.
Remember what is best in life: To crush your enemies, see them driven
before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women.
Praise Jeebus.
--
will
"If my life weren't funny, it would just be true;
and that would just be unacceptable."
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Subject: Re: gay marriage, was RE: Boy Scouts Of America (starts from Gruss'
last response)
OK. Fine. But the gov't should use the same language for everyone,
then. As in, "I went before the judge to get a civil
> Ben wrote:
> Remember. Pillage, then burn.
>
DOH!
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> WillBo wrote:
> Then your Catholic friend is an idiot.
>
It's an acquaintance (which is diferent from a friend in Gruss-speak)
and the scary thing is she's NOT an idiot!
If you met her you'd think she was very smart, very competent, and
very thoughtful. You'd trust her judgment on just about e
I wouldn't.
--BenD
Gruss Gott wrote:
>> Jim wrote:
>> In this case the Scouts are specifically teaching hateful (and, I hope we
>> agree, dumb ass) things (that all atheists are immoral) to their leaders.
>
> But how is different from the Catholic Church? I donate to the little
> neighbor girl'
Sure you were. You just didn't know it was bad because you didn't have
Jesus in your heart.
Remember. Pillage, then burn.
--BenD
William Bowen wrote:
>> Well... you tell me: does the Catholic Church teach that Atheists lack all
>> morals?
>
> yup
>
>> That they'll all steal where a religiou
Forcing a group to accept any and everyone, and do any and everything
more or less neuters the principles of that group in the first place.
The BoyScouts would have to teach and be open to Creationism,
homosexuality, Satanism, racism (free speech) and many other things
that would go against the pri
> Ha! Well ... I don't know what the Pope would say, but a Catholic
> acquaintance of mine will no longer talk to an atheist friend of mine
> for that exact reason.
Then your Catholic friend is an idiot.
--
will
"If my life weren't funny, it would just be true;
and that would just be unaccepta
> Well... you tell me: does the Catholic Church teach that Atheists lack all
> morals?
yup
> That they'll all steal where a religious person wouldn't?
yup. But, and here's the truly interesting bit, apparently, without
religion people are capable--nay--compelled to commit the most heinous
acts o
I'm late to this thread, but here goes:
When I was in cub scouts as a kid, we had a pretty good group for awhile. I
had no idea of any of these issues- what gay was, etc. so I didn't care.
Later on, we got a new scout leader whose son shared all sorts of racist
things his father had to say about h
> -Original Message-
> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 11:04 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Boy Scouts Of America
>
> > Jim wrote:
> > If so, then - yeah. Fuck the Catholics as well. ;^)
> >
>
>
The Catholic church isn't much different:
"Furthermore, after taking pontificial office, one of the more
controversial decisions of Pope Benedict XVI has been the decision of
the Congregation for Catholic Education to further prohibit any
individual who has present deep-seated homosexual tendencie
> Adam wrote:
> The whole "behavior" thing is a way to side-step what is really meant.
> Here's one you might understand:
As a reminder, you can make your arguments without becoming emotional
and thus insulting - it makes it more interesting and useful. I also
get the feeling we're talking past e
> Jim wrote:
> If so, then - yeah. Fuck the Catholics as well. ;^)
>
Ha! Well ... I don't know what the Pope would say, but a Catholic
acquaintance of mine will no longer talk to an atheist friend of mine
for that exact reason.
My Catholic friends just bristle at an openly atheist person; well
> Larry wrote:
> Private groups do have the right to discriminate as to those they accept into
> membership.
I have no idea what the BSOA receives for cash, but given that
churches are tax-exempt that seems like it's own form of payola that
wouldn't be any different. If you're tax-exempt, you're
> -Original Message-
> From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:01 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Boy Scouts Of America
>
> Sometimes degree can define the boundary of kind.
Sometimes... but not in this case, I think.
me statement."
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From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:37 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Boy Scouts Of America
> Adam wrote:
> Are you really that inte
> -Original Message-
> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 6:49 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Boy Scouts Of America
>
> > Jim wrote:
> > In this case the Scouts are specifically teaching hateful (and, I
> ho
> -Original Message-
> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 6:33 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Boy Scouts Of America
>
> > Jim wrote:
> > You're willing to tolerate something distasteful because there'
>It depends on what you want to teach your hypothetical children. If
>you're saying, "hey, it's okay to be intolerant, as long as you agree
>with the particular flavor of intolerance" then by all means, join the
>BSA. If you want to teach them that intolerance is intolerance, then
>don't. And, fran
> Adam wrote:
> Are you really that intellectually challenged to think that I was saying
> that about the Boy Scouts?
>
> Also, how is a synagogue an exclusionary group?
>
Yes, I am intellectually challenged as to the points you're making.
Here's what the BSOA has to say on this topic:
"An avowe
: Monday, November 05, 2007 6:23 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Boy Scouts Of America
> Adam wrote:
> If you were a German in 1937 and a handsome little blond-haired, blue-eyed
> child came smiling to your door asking you to buy Christmas wreaths to
> support his group, and tha
MMM. Thin Mints!
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From: Gruss Gott
> Jim wrote:
> You're defining, personally, what you find valuable. That can be some
> concrete like a sunroof or something ethereal like a principle.
>
BTW - what about the Girl Scouts? Are they to be shunned as well?
Cause I
f thinking can
take you?
Respectfully,
Adam Phillip Churvis
President
Productivity Enhancement
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From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 6:01 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Boy Scouts Of America
> -Original Message-
>
> Until then it's organized discrimination being at least partially funded by
> my taxes.
No more access to public schools, no more access to reduced rents on
public buildings.
to start.
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will
"If my life weren't funny, it would just be true;
and that would just be unacceptable."
- Carrie Fi
> BTW - what about the Girl Scouts? Are they to be shunned as well?
> Cause I love Girl Scout cookies.
What about the Girl Scouts? They do not make belief in God, or
profession thereof a requirement for membership.
--
will
"If my life weren't funny, it would just be true;
and that would just
> -Original Message-
> From: morchella [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:40 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: gay marriage, was RE: Boy Scouts Of America (starts from
> Gruss' last response)
>
> i know several gay guys. my b
> Jim wrote:
> In this case the Scouts are specifically teaching hateful (and, I hope we
> agree, dumb ass) things (that all atheists are immoral) to their leaders.
But how is different from the Catholic Church? I donate to the little
neighbor girl's Catholic fund raisers all of the time.
She wa
> 1.) The kid is involved in a values organization no different than ANY church.
Except the part where the BSA gets/uses public money.
http://www.bsa-discrimination.org/html/taxes_and_bsa.html
> 2.) The parents have the right to attend church or be part of the BSOA.
Of course, but if they want
> Jim wrote:
> You're defining, personally, what you find valuable. That can be some
> concrete like a sunroof or something ethereal like a principle.
>
BTW - what about the Girl Scouts? Are they to be shunned as well?
Cause I love Girl Scout cookies.
~~~
> -Original Message-
> From: morchella [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 11:37 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Boy Scouts Of America
>
> because it is a private organization.
I hate to be repetitive but at soon as it stops taking publ
> -Original Message-
> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 10:49 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Boy Scouts Of America
>
> > Deanna wrote:
> > It depends on what you want to teach your hypothetical children. If
> Jim wrote:
> You're willing to tolerate something distasteful because there's something
> attractive enough for you to make that compromise.
I am willing to tolerate Jews. I am willing to tolerate Catholics. I
am willing to tolerate the BSOA. These are all exclusionary clubs,
but I'm willing
> Adam wrote:
> If you were a German in 1937 and a handsome little blond-haired, blue-eyed
> child came smiling to your door asking you to buy Christmas wreaths to
> support his group, and that group just happened to be the Hitler Youth,
> would you have bought a wreath?
>
LOL! So you're saying t
> Ben wrote:
> If the term "marriage" has any legal standing, then it should be applied
> across-the-board.
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> -Original Message-
> From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:30 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Boy Scouts Of America
>
> It's not the same model as buying a car that suits you "sort of"; it's
&g
> -Original Message-
> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:49 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Boy Scouts Of America
>
> > Paul wrote:
> > and on same note there have always been closeted Gays in the BSOA as
&
smokers are not a protected group. Nor should they be in my opinion.
You are free to not hire someone because he smokes. I realize that
some people here feel strongly otherwise.
On 11/5/07, Erika L. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> which is legal/illegal? admitting to smoking or saying why he w
I agree
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OK. Fine. But the gov't should use the same language for everyone,
then. As in, "I went before the judge to get a civil union with my
girlfriend".
If the term "marriage" has any legal standing, then it should be applied
across-the-board. Also, if a "marriage" is a religious- or
culturally-
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> -Original Message-
> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 12:43
I meant is it legal to not hire b/c he smokes. Apparently, tho, it is.
On Nov 5, 2007 2:33 PM, Erika L. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> which is legal/illegal? admitting to smoking or saying why he wasnt hired
> or
> the fact they didnt hire him?
>
> On 11/5/07, Crow T. Robot <[EMAIL PROTECT
inciples. You're a lucky, lucky man.
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From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:22 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Boy Scouts Of America
> Ian wrote:
&g
> BTW - the reason this started is because I bought Boy Scout wreathes
> from a neighborhood kid. My wife felt like that was "support" for
> BSOA whereas I look at it as more support for the kid.
Your wife is right, the kid will realize no direct benefit. The BSA
will. And from that, you are agre
which is legal/illegal? admitting to smoking or saying why he wasnt hired or
the fact they didnt hire him?
On 11/5/07, Crow T. Robot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > why did you admit to that? And is that legal?
> >
> > On Nov 5, 2007 10:37 AM, Paul Ihrig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > i can
> Now that they accept public money can be a more contentious issue. But not
> one
> specific to this thread.
That they accept public money is an extremely contentious issue and
flies directly in the face of their discriminatory stance.
Crying "we're a private organization" and then accepting p
IMHO, no. And this is where other beliefs come into play.
I know that there are people who believe homosexuality is a choice. I
think these people are mistaken. Promiscuity, sexual addiction aside,
is a choice.
To me, banning gays from is like banning blondes, or
blacks, or people with buc
i know several gay guys. my bro is one.
every one i know believes in civil union, but not marriage.
i believe in marriage for gays or civil union.
i have a friend who's partner dropped dead after a heart attack.
32 year relationship gone in a secong.
he couldnt claim the body or follow out his par
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From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 12:43 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Boy Scouts Of America
> Ben wrote:
> I just strongly disagree with any sort o
Heh. Maybe. I'm far from perfect, which is one reason I rarely get
into these discussions. However, with as many GLBT friends as I have
(well, just GLB if you want to be picky), this becomes a hotbutton issue
with me, and I have a well-defined knee-jerk reaction. There.
Admitting I have a p
spectfully,
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President
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From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 12:29 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Boy Scouts Of America
> BenD wrote:
> Except the BSOA does not ban homosexual
because i try to be honest.
not sure about the legalities.
but i guess they where sued a bunch from past employees who developed
lund cancer from certain chemicals.
now there are careful who the hire.
On 11/5/07, Crow T. Robot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> why did you admit to that? And is that l
"Isn't insisting that the BSOA adopt a homogeneous secular value system
(similar to the BS of Canada, btw) it's own form of intolerance and
discrimination?"
Who has insisted the BSOA adopt anything?
All I have read are several people who disagree with the BSOA's policy and as
such will not suppo
> Ian wrote:
> Now that they accept public money can be a more contentious issue. But not
> one specific to this thread.
>
That's true that I think we all object to their particular exclusion;
however, I'm trying to normalize that with, say, a church.
For example, I have lots of Catholic and Je
might be... if you do drugs even off the job they can refuse to hire
you... they may feel the insurance hit is not worth it. There is no
inherent right to smoke.
Dana
On 11/5/07, Crow T. Robot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> why did you admit to that? And is that legal?
>
> On Nov 5, 2007 10:37 AM,
> Would that be wrong?
Yes.
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To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Boy Scouts Of America
> Ben wrote:
> I just strongly disagree with any sort of discrimination against the
> GBLT segment of society.
I totally agree: I favor Gay Marriage, not just civil unions.
But.
Isn't insisting that the BSOA adopt a
.
Respectfully,
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President
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From: morchella [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 11:37 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Boy Scouts Of America
because it is a private organization.
they have every right to
> The Crow wrote:
> why did you admit to that? And is that legal?
>
Well, they test, and this is a classic case. The legality is a
state-by-state thing depending on how the States protect smokers.
And, yes, a company even in a state that doesn't protect smokers (~20)
is still open to law suits,
> Ben wrote:
> I just strongly disagree with any sort of discrimination against the
> GBLT segment of society.
I totally agree: I favor Gay Marriage, not just civil unions.
But.
Isn't insisting that the BSOA adopt a homogeneous secular value system
(similar to the BS of Canada, btw) it's own for
morchella wrote:
> i think even trying to classify a kid as gay is way crazy, and not
> even the point.
I'm not talking about children, so much as kids in their late teens.
All of the gay people I've talked to knew they were gay by 16 or so.
> if they want they can join the girl scouts that allo
> BenD wrote:
> Except the BSOA does not ban homosexual behavior during scouting events
> and/or on scout property. They ban it, period. Which would be like a
> company saying that their employees may not engage in PDA ever. Even on
> their honeymoon.
>
How about a group that banned promiscuity
why did you admit to that? And is that legal?
On Nov 5, 2007 10:37 AM, Paul Ihrig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i cant get a job at the Scotts company because i smoke...
> whats the difference? its my body...
>
>
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I agree. You should be allowed to smoke while not on the job.
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Paul Ihrig wrote:
> i cant get a job at the Scotts company because i smoke...
> whats the difference? its my body...
>
>
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because it is a private organization.
they have every right to believe what they want, and a child has every
right to join if they are invited. my brother is gay, he was a scout
for 10+ years, every one had a feeling, but he didn't come out until
he was 23 years old.
i think even trying to classif
i cant get a job at the Scotts company because i smoke...
whats the difference? its my body...
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Gruss Gott wrote:
> (1.) We believe homosexual romantic and sexual relationships are wrong, and
> (2.) We ban that *behavior* from the BSA.
>
> Then I'm ok for the same reason I'm ok with corporations banning PDA
> on their premises: you can ban behavior, but not people.
Except the BSOA does not
ent
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: G Money [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 10:39 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Boy Scouts Of America
>
> We may be splitting hairs here, but I don't think you can force someone to
> "
> Deanna wrote:
> It depends on what you want to teach your hypothetical children. If
> you're saying, "hey, it's okay to be intolerant, as long as you agree
> with the particular flavor of intolerance" then by all means, join the
> BSA.
Yeah, I agree, but I do think there is a broader point:
Isn
ot;forcing?" Why did you assume that forcing was
any part of this?
Respectfully,
Adam Phillip Churvis
President
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-Original Message-
From: G Money [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 10:39 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Boy Scouts O
> gMoney wrote:
> We may be splitting hairs here, but I don't think you can force someone to
> "accept" your way of life. I mean, an American who despises
> homosexualshas every right to do so. All we can ensure is that this
> person's hatred, or intolerance, is not carried out as a matter of p
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