I agree with that.
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Gruss wrote:
>
> Like it or not, regulation is needed, desired, and here to stay.
>
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> RoMunn wrote:
> No. People already own the banking system through ownership of shares.
> All this would do is divide up the ownership of shares in companies
> that the government bails
What freddie and fannie do is provide shareholders confidence that
they've got a good bet because the sharehold
No. People already own the banking system through ownership of shares.
All this would do is divide up the ownership of shares in companies
that the government bails out among taxpayers who are footing the
bill. Now, if we're being strictly capitalist about it, we would say
that the shares would be
> RoMunn wrote:
> I say let them fail,
If they fail, the entire american economy will fail as well as a major
hit to the entire world.
If, as you say, we give americans shares then aren't you now the
"socialist"? Because now wouldn't americans own the banking system?
Sounds like you've discover
I say let them fail, or if there is a bailout, take 90% of the equity
and give every citizen shares. we might as well get something for our
money.
On 7/28/08, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> RoMunn wrote:
>>> expected $500 billion deficit for the year.
>
> Unless you count Freddie and F
> RoMunn wrote:
>> expected $500 billion deficit for the year.
Unless you count Freddie and Fannie and then you can add $5 Trillion to that.
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On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We have a $12 trillion economy, a $3 trillion federal budget, and an
> expected $500 billion deficit for the year. I don't think saving a few
> billion
My mistake, we have a $14 trillion economy. $12 trillion was 2006.
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Robert wrote:
> We have a $12 trillion economy
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We have a $12 trillion economy, a $3 trillion federal budget, and an
expected $500 billion deficit for the year. I don't think saving a few
billion a month is going to have a big positive effect.
The basic problem we have is a combination of falling tax receipts,
slowing growth, and higher inflati
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Gruss wrote:
>> RoMunn wrote:
>> Saying Obama is a socialist is not an emotional argument, it is an
>> argument supported by hard facts that you can't manage to acknowledge.
>>
>
> Obama is not advocating "state or collective (i.e. public) ownership
> and administr
Afghanistan requires no where NEAR the expenditure of money or troops in
order to maintain the peace as Iraq.
You don't think saving billions of dollars each month will have a positive
affect on the economy I'm no economist...but that seems logical.
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Robert Mu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVIfpEtq8gw
And Bush knows it!
:-)
They got drunk!
^_^
2008/7/28 Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Wall Street essentially just took all of the money out of your bank
> account, bought some champagne, barfed, and is now recovering from
> their hang over on your
> RoMunn wrote:
> Saying Obama is a socialist is not an emotional argument, it is an
> argument supported by hard facts that you can't manage to acknowledge.
>
Obama is not advocating "state or collective (i.e. public) ownership
and administration of the means of production and distribution of
goo
More like a ground ball to short-stop.
How exactly is getting out of Iraq (and going into Afghanistan in
greater numbers, which you fail to mention) going to improve the
economy?
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 8:57 AM, G wrote:
> I just can't let a hanging curve ball like this one go by.
>
>> What
In a free market, rich people tend to get richer. Can you think of any
decade in the past century in which rich people did *not* get richer?
Short of government takeover of all businesses, I don't know of any surefire
way to penalize rich people without them passing the cost on to the poor.
"As
I just can't let a hanging curve ball like this one go by.
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What exactly ails our current economy, and what are Obama's policy
> prescriptions that will fix it? Can you answer that?
What's ailing our economy: Spending
Saying Obama is a socialist is not an emotional argument, it is an
argument supported by hard facts that you can't manage to acknowledge.
Now somehow trickle-down theory is mine? Please refer to my statements
where I subscribed to trickle-down theory, or withdraw your statement
and learn to argue
> RoMunn wrote:
> school planned economics kind of socialist, but a socialist
> nonetheless.
>
As to your trickle-down theory, I'll just point out that it's been the
rich - Wall Street - that have gotten ridiculously wealthy in the last
decade; so much so that the federal government has had to ste
Come on, all knowledge is valuable, even if it's only value is in learning
what the crazies are believin' these days..
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd rather be water boarded than to have to listen to Rish
>
> On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Larry Ly
Since you are such a fan of WIkipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist
What does Obama want? He wants to take most of the profits from the
people at the top of the wage/investment profit scale and give it to
everyone else. Socialist economics - take profits from capitalists,
because they a
I'd rather be water boarded than to have to listen to Rish
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> really 10 - 15 minutes a day, I surprised that you can still type losing that
> many IQ points a day.
~
Can you site any of this or is it too difficult to track the voices in your
head:)
> Calling Obama a communist, radical muslim terrorist etc etc. Then
> seriously carrying on about black UN helicopters etc., all in the same
> conversation makes a pretty good example of an over propagandized
>
Calling Obama a communist, radical muslim terrorist etc etc. Then seriously
carrying on about black UN helicopters etc., all in the same conversation makes
a pretty good example of an over propagandized wingnut to me. The leadership on
the other hand strikes me as opportunistic who have no qualm
really 10 - 15 minutes a day, I surprised that you can still type losing that
many IQ points a day.
>> >This is true for "wingnuts" of ANY political persuasion.
>>
>> lately however I've heard more statements devoid of thought coming from the
>> extreme right than the extreme left.
>>
>
>Me too..
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >This is true for "wingnuts" of ANY political persuasion.
>
> lately however I've heard more statements devoid of thought coming from the
> extreme right than the extreme left.
>
Me too...but then, I listen to 10-15 minutes
I am pretty happy with how mccain has been at least. Like he's trying to be
on a more even keel.
And the same for obama. I think the respect they are trying to have keeping
it from getting `dirty` is very refreshing.
On 7/25/08, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> At least he voted. McCain did
But you're calling them wingnuts :)
We're all entitled to our opinion doesn't really make us crazy. And to be
honest that republican crew was good. They were able to lie cheat and steal
their way to power and whatever else they wanted.
I don't think that makes them nuts at all. Very crafty and sma
At least he voted. McCain didn't bother to show up.
Who wants to bet that before the election cycle is over, the McCain
camp will find a way to use Obama's vote on FISA against him, even
though McCain also supported it, he was just too busy to be concerned
with "national security".
On Fri, Jul 2
>This is true for "wingnuts" of ANY political persuasion.
lately however I've heard more statements devoid of thought coming from the
extreme right than the extreme left.
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On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> To me it just shows how devoid of ideas and solutions that the right
> wingnuts are. Instead of debating the ideas they scream "He's a commie"
> "He's a socialist" without having real clue what those terms mean. They've
> b
yeah i have to say that i was pretty disappointed by that FISA vote
On 7/25/08, Bill Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ummm Obama and the rest of the weak willed democrats who approved FISA
> allowing telecoms retroactive immunity is probably not a good thing
> to lump in with `liberal`. In fa
>Obama is a future communist to people on the right.
To me it just shows how devoid of ideas and solutions that the right wingnuts
are. Instead of debating the ideas they scream "He's a commie" "He's a
socialist" without having real clue what those terms mean. They've been so over
propagandized
I think a label sticks because people want to believe their perceptions.
It goes for left and right people. Bush is the antichrist (hyperbole) to
people on the left.
Obama is a future communist to people on the right.
On 7/24/08, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Man you guys don't pay
What does duh mean? Does that mean you don't have an answer?
Don't get me wrong i've thrown some shit out here before that i later
realized was not right.
And it's pretty hard to admit when i'm wrong but duh?
On 7/24/08, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 3:51 PM
Ummm Obama and the rest of the weak willed democrats who approved FISA
allowing telecoms retroactive immunity is probably not a good thing
to lump in with `liberal`. In fact i've been pretty disappointed with the
democratic majority. They've bent over backwards for the most part and let
bush get hi
Awesome argument. You always lay out your views well.
On 7/24/08, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:24 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> >
> RoMunn wrote:
> You just keep wanting to make it personal, don't you? Can't come up
> with anything better than that?
>
I'm just calsin 'em as I'se see's um.
I ask a serious question in response to your hyperbolic statements and
give a ridiculous answers - either by repeating lies or with mumbo
is that even english?
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Larry wrote:
> You know maybe you ought to look up the definition. Here I'm make it easy for
> you.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie
>
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You just keep wanting to make it personal, don't you? Can't come up
with anything better than that?
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Gruss wrote:
>> RoMunn wrote:
>> He is dancing the general election dance, as I noted.
>>
>
> What does any of your posts mean anymore?
>
> You make claims not backe
You know maybe you ought to look up the definition. Here I'm make it easy for
you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie
Just in case they're using words you don't understand, let me simplify it, tell
a really big lie and keep saying it over and over again. Someone will believe
it as time goes b
> RoMunn wrote:
> He is dancing the general election dance, as I noted.
>
What does any of your posts mean anymore?
You make claims not backed by facts, you explain away parroted lies by
saying you heard them in the MSM, and you can't explain any of
positions with anything resembling reasoning.
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Gruss wrote:
>> RoMunn wrote:
>> stands on FISA, gun control, immigration, and abortion
>
> So what are his "liberal" stands on those 4? I'm too lazy to look it
> up, but last I heard:
>
> * He voted for FISA. I know why I'd call that liberal, but why would you?
how to argue like a neocon -- call anyone who disagrees with you a liberal ;)
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Man you guys don't pay attention. Did you have too much sugar today?
>
> What I am saying is that the label sticks because there is a core of
> tr
> RoMunn wrote:
> stands on FISA, gun control, immigration, and abortion
So what are his "liberal" stands on those 4? I'm too lazy to look it
up, but last I heard:
* He voted for FISA. I know why I'd call that liberal, but why would you?
* Gun Control. He sided with the latest SCOTUS decision
Man you guys don't pay attention. Did you have too much sugar today?
What I am saying is that the label sticks because there is a core of
truth to it that people perceive when they look at his voting record
and his past statements.
Calling Barack Obama a liberal- if he isn't a liberal, there is n
When all else fails, break out the Nazi comparisons!
And that concludes our instructional lesson titled, "How to Argue Like
a Liberal".
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Larry wrote:
> Its also the same set of methods that characterize the Big Lie technique that
> was used so effectively by Hitl
Its also the same set of methods that characterize the Big Lie technique that
was used so effectively by Hitler in the 1930's and '40's.
>> >Crap or not, the rating is quoted all over the place, from MSM to
>> >fringe blogs. What burns your ass is that it sticks because it's true.
>> >
>>
>> So
I'm not sure how accurate you think rating a liberal or conservative can be,
it's an opinion. What's wrong with it anyway, I thought you liked being a
liberal.
Of all the votes, Clinton cast 5 conservative votes and Obama only one.
On social issues, which include immigration, McCain received a
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> No - he's clearly saying that even if it was a bald-faced lie, enough
> people
> have now said it. Which makes it true. Because anything that's repeated
> enough must have some value.
>
> Essentially it's the same complex l
> -Original Message-
> From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:24 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: McCain admits to being a technological illiterate
>
> >Crap or not, the rating is quoted all over the place, from MSM to
>
When it's MY guy, it's the ability to assess new data and recent
developments to rethink one's position in light of the current reality.
When it's the other guy, it's a flip flop.
Bleck.
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No, actually. I just like to poke
No, actually. I just like to poke you guys in the eye about it. ;-)
Bottom line, Obama's entire record, up until the last month or so of
his flip-flopping position after position for the general election, is
one of very liberal stands and votes. Now we're in the general
election and he wants to ap
>Crap or not, the rating is quoted all over the place, from MSM to
>fringe blogs. What burns your ass is that it sticks because it's true.
>
So let me get this straight, you admit that the ranking is pure BS and largely
fictional, yet you still follow it. Tell me you still think that the world is
Bush is yesterday's news.
Several people have commented about how electing Obama will help our
image in the rest of the world. The truth is, electing anyone else
will help our image in the rest of the world. I was just saying to my
wife this evening, as she commented how sick she was of Bush, that
> RoMunnwrote:
> If you think the economy is in bad shape now, just wait. If this guy
> gets elected, we are in for four years of being an economic basket
> case.
>
Well, I partially agree with you - Obama's positions as stated are
about 20% more liberal than I'm comfortable with.
That having bee
The rating system may be flawed, but the label has stuck on him
because it rings true. He supports:
- punishing success with even higher taxes for higher income brackets
and for all capital gains (meaning your 401K, your IRA)
- universal health care (does he include illegal aliens or not, what
is
> RoMunn wrote:
> Crap or not, the rating is quoted all over the place, from MSM to
> fringe blogs. What burns your ass is that it sticks because it's true.
>
If it were true, that'd be fine with me.
I'm only taking exception to you admittedly using a bullshit fact to
support your argument when y
> tBone wrote:
> None of these things is supposed to be under the control of the federal
> government.
>
>
Well I'm for protecting the physical country, the economic country,
and providing the infrastructure to enable the freedom to prosper.
2 weeks ago, I'd have said that the market rules all, b
Crap or not, the rating is quoted all over the place, from MSM to
fringe blogs. What burns your ass is that it sticks because it's true.
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Gruss wrote:
> So you did you where that "most liberal" rating came from? And you
> seriously repeated it?
>
> Because the rat
> RoMunn wrote:
> Don't push your ignorance on me.
>
So you did you where that "most liberal" rating came from? And you
seriously repeated it?
Because the raters themselves said it's crap. So if you knew, why
would you repeat it?
Don't push your ignorance on me.
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 4:57 PM, Gruss wrote:
>> RoMunn wrote:
>> Obama is the most liberal member of the Senate.
>
> :: Sigh ::
>
> Where did that "most liberal" rating come from? You don't even know.
>
~~~
None of these things is supposed to be under the control of the federal
government.
Gruss Gott wrote:
>> tBone wrote:
>> "Establish a $10 billion Foreclosure Prevention Fund:
>> homeowners through this difficult period. Stimulus: $10 billion."
>>
>
> If the government doesn't exist to protect th
> RoMunn wrote:
> government and given to the people who chose to spend instead of save?
> Explain how that is fair.
>
Well your explanation is that US occupation of Iraq is somehow
beneficial, yet you've consistently avoided describing why that's so.
But, yeah, I'd love to my contribution to the
> RoMunn wrote:
> Obama is the most liberal member of the Senate.
:: Sigh ::
Where did that "most liberal" rating come from? You don't even know.
The National Journal. And guess what? They themselves admit their
methodology is flawed. For example, one of Obama's "liberal" votes
was to implem
> tBone wrote:
> "Establish a $10 billion Foreclosure Prevention Fund:
> homeowners through this difficult period. Stimulus: $10 billion."
>
If the government doesn't exist to protect the common economy then I
don't know what it's for. In this case, due to deregulation, we now
have no choice but
Congress controls the purse, and over the last century, Democrats have
controlled Congress far more often than Republicans.
>
> It seems that over the last 40 years, whenever there has been a republican
> administration, the government has gone into debt and has run up significant
> deficits. Wh
> Roosevelt created the biggest socialist programs in U.S. history.
> Social Security alone is going to bankrupt this country one of these
> days.
And dug the country out of the largest economic depression it ever experienced.
Over 1/3rd were unemployed. People were starving in the streets. and t
Man we always have good discussions but then it descends into name calling
and bullshit. :(
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On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Roosevelt created the biggest socialist programs in U.S. history.
> Social Security alone is going to bankrupt this country one of
> Roosevelt created the biggest socialist programs in U.S. history.
> Social Security alone is going to bankrupt this country one of these
> days.
ummm... the Social Security program created by Roosevelt was not what
it is today. Blaming him for what it morphed into over the last ~80
years (under
Roosevelt created the biggest socialist programs in U.S. history.
Social Security alone is going to bankrupt this country one of these
days.
That's what a liberal calls responsible economics.
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Larry wrote:
>
> It seems strange that given their propaganda about ta
Perhaps given how much the conservatives and the neo-cons have fecked up this
country, perhaps its time that changed, and as usual the much reviled liberals
will have to clean up the mess left by the conservatives.
It seems strange that given their propaganda about tax and spending liberal
who
You're right, most industry in the U.S. is in private hands.
However with Obama's ideas about the government bringing faster internet
and infrastructure, and the senate making noise about nationalizing the
oil refineries, we aren't far from real socialism.
G Money wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008
That's a different kind of bark. Taxing the hell out of people at the
top, and out of investing dollars (capital gains) to provide subsidies
for people at the bottom is a defining feature of socialism. No, we're
not completely socialist, but with Barack Obama as President and a
Congress controlled
People don't have to spend $4 for a latte at Starbucks, they choose
to. That's called freedom. They could choose to save that money,
invest it, and become better of themselves. Some people do, good for
them. Why should those people then have their money taken away by the
government and given to the
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sticks and stones.
>
> Obama is the most liberal member of the Senate. He supports higher
> taxes in all sorts of areas- taxes which are designed to massively
> re-distribute incomes from the top to the bottom of the econom
> tBone wrote:
> I'm not a republican, Christ man you know this. I'm against ANY bail
> out, individual or corporate/banking.
>
> I also know what socialism is.
we're FAR from socialist, but, that said, everyone is going to get
bailed out because if we don't everyone goes down.
~
what a shame he isn't in favor of the current system, which is
redistributing up.
On 7/23/08, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sticks and stones.
>
> Obama is the most liberal member of the Senate. He supports higher
> taxes in all sorts of areas- taxes which are designed to massively
> re
Sticks and stones.
Obama is the most liberal member of the Senate. He supports higher
taxes in all sorts of areas- taxes which are designed to massively
re-distribute incomes from the top to the bottom of the economic
ladder, as if the people at the top don't already pay the vast
majority of feder
I'm not a republican, Christ man you know this. I'm against ANY bail
out, individual or corporate/banking.
I also know what socialism is. We are essentially a socialist country
now, just because those are the facts does not mean that I can't be
against it's expansion, shit I'm all for a roll
mousepad. Line at the end of 1st para should be at the end of second para.
on deadline with Flex Authority; back later.
On 7/23/08, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Are you drunk?
>
> Dana wrote:
> > you're putting words in my mouth. It scares me because I think it
> > shows a lack of understa
Are you drunk?
Dana wrote:
> you're putting words in my mouth. It scares me because I think it
> shows a lack of understanding both of socialism and of Obama. Possibly
> lalso of tje united states. What the hell is american ideology?
> Ideology you agree with? What about american society, is that
We've discussed the Canadian health care system before, quite recently
even. I think you know what I think of it. But I think that this is an
issue that can also use input from someone who's had a year when the
medical bills, had they not been covered, would have been in the six
figures. Hell, I'm
>> tBone wrote:
>> http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/
>>
>> "Establish a $10 billion Foreclosure Prevention Fund: Given the downturn
>
>you the man. I'll reply later today
Funny isn't there a bill before congress right now that is trying to do
something similar? From what I've read abou
you're putting words in my mouth. It scares me because I think it
shows a lack of understanding both of socialism and of Obama. Possibly
lalso of tje united states. What the hell is american ideology?
Ideology you agree with? What about american society, is that everyone
currenly living in the Unit
> tBone wrote:
> http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/
>
> "Establish a $10 billion Foreclosure Prevention Fund: Given the downturn
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Just a point of what annoys me with the wording of politicians too is things
like
"Raise the Minimum Wage: Barack Obama will raise the minimum wage, index
it to inflation and increase the Earned Income Tax Credit"
Umm the president can't make bill's so the best he can do is get someone in
congres
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/
"Establish a $10 billion Foreclosure Prevention Fund: Given the downturn
in the economy, Obama is calling for immediate creation of his
Foreclosure Prevention Fund that will dramatically increase emergency
pre-foreclosure counseling, and will help fami
> Dana wrote:
> it actually scares me that two people on this list agree with that
> statement.
>
Yes, but Robert is an emotional decision maker and this charge is no
different from his decision to support Iraq: when challenged with the
facts, he wilts.
So challenge these name-callers to go to Ob
> Sgt Sorge wrote:
> LOL. I remember those gaffes. Great stuff.
>
Let's define gaffe: A clumsy social error; a faux pas.
McCain's "gaffes" are not gaffes - he repeats them over and over and
that makes them serious errors in judgment or the ability to learn.
E.g. 1: The Czech Republic. Since 20
Some people dislike socialism as much as some people on this list dislike
conservatism. :)
Me personally when i think about socialism i think about how
wonderful socialized medicine is in canada, uk and
to a less extent europe. (Only becuase i know less about the horrors of the
medical systems in
It scares me that people seem to think that socialism is somehow in line
with American society and ideology.
Dana wrote:
> it actually scares me that two people on this list agree with that
> statement.
>
> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 7:16 PM, Jeff Garza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Bingo!
>>
>>
A fair argument.
On 7/22/08, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 8:35 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: McCain admits to being a techno
Maybe with him being in congress but once he's president all he has to do is
say yes or no to the bills coming at him.
Perhaps if there was still a line item veto i'd be more worried :)
On 7/22/08, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >This smacks of elitism :) Just becuase we can understan
I never said anyone was a crook. I just said that everyone has a skeleton in
their closet. :)
Just throwing it out there to stir the pot. And what do my sexual hijinks
have to do with bush getting elected? :P
On 7/22/08, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> that is the old argument that it doesn't
it actually scares me that two people on this list agree with that
statement.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 7:16 PM, Jeff Garza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bingo!
>
> -Original Message-
>
> Meanwhile, I only need to know one thing about Obama - he's a socialist,
> and
> I don't vote for social
LOL. I remember those gaffes. Great stuff.
Sam wrote:
> He'd also know the president serves the 58 states for 8-10 years and
> could easily pick out the fallen heroes in the audience.
> :)
>
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He'd also know the president serves the 58 states for 8-10 years and
could easily pick out the fallen heroes in the audience.
:)
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If he knew how to use the Internet he might, you know, be able to look up
> which countries bord
Bingo!
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Meanwhile, I only need to know one thing about Obama - he's a socialist, and
I don't vote for socialists.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Vivec wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-tKiFw9x6E&feature=related
>
> 10 things you should know about McCain.
> I
Meanwhile, I only need to know one thing about Obama - he's a
socialist, and I don't vote for socialists.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Vivec wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-tKiFw9x6E&feature=related
>
> 10 things you should know about McCain.
> If you click More Info in the top righ
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