Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-28 Thread dana tierney
United States > while being "not too bright".shares that moniker. > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Gruss Gott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 200

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-28 Thread dana tierney
sorry. Just saw this. No relation as far as I know, though we never found out what happened to my great-uncle Andrew after he emigrated to the States :) Seriously, Tierney is a fairly common Irish name. While it's pretty exotic in New Mexico, there are probably several pages of them in the New Yor

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-28 Thread Gruss Gott
> Brian wrote: > I've gotta ask though, is Kerry any better? Yes, that's a good question. Here's what we know with Mr. Bush: 1.) Given the chance Mr. Bush will spend irresponsibly and has proven it. For example he signed a bill to spend federal tax dollars to help build an Indian casino in Mic

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-28 Thread G
Heh, i think i struck a chord :) I've gotta ask though, is Kerry any better? I mean, the tax cuts are only costly because there were no spending cuts to correspond with them! Why can't we keep the current tax cuts, and chop spending to coincide? Kerry says he'll repeal the tax cuts, but what abou

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-28 Thread Gruss Gott
> Brian wrote: > I dunno about the upper 2%, but what i've paid in taxes this year is f***ng > ridiculous. Why can't spending deficits be resolved through less spending, > instead of more taxing BELLS! TRUMPETS! FANFARE!!! WO! WOOO HOOO! AMEN BROTHER! LEAD US OUT OF TEMPTATION AND

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-28 Thread William Bowen
> what kind of beer do you think he'd order? Busch...duh...simple, watered down, easy to remember... ;-) -- -- will "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable." - Carrie Fisher ~

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-28 Thread G
*looking at my pay stub* I dunno about the upper 2%, but what i've paid in taxes this year is f***ng ridiculous. Why can't spending deficits be resolved through less spending, instead of more taxing > > Nobody thinks Reaganomics worked, at least nobody credible that's being honest. > > The c

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-28 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > Years after Reagan was president they Democrats called > him the worst saying we'll suffer for years from > Reaganomics. Eventually they agreed what he did > worked. Nobody thinks Reaganomics worked, at least nobody credible that's being honest. The core of Reagan's plan was the so

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-28 Thread Howie Hamlin
No, but there are still 99 cases left over from the initial run of 100. - Original Message - From: "Sam Morris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 12:21 AM Subject: Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

RE: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Sam Morris
Right. I'm refering to the history books that will be written in the future. So it was my opinion and I thought it was well founded. -sm --- Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So actually no books said that Carter and Clinton > were the worst presidents > in modern history? > > Jim Davis

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Sam Morris
That's the thing they loved the man Clinton but now that he's on the back his actions are being judged. Years after Reagan was president they Democrats called him the worst saying we'll suffer for years from Reaganomics. Eventually they agreed what he did worked. With Clinton they love the man no

RE: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Jim Davis
So actually no books said that Carter and Clinton were the worst presidents in modern history? Jim Davis -Original Message- From: Sam Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 12:42 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Bush higher IQ than Kerry I'm basing

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Sam Morris
Well I don't think that's true but that's for another thread. I'm sure it's been done here but if not we can argue after next week. -sm --- "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Um lets see, Clinton presided over the largest and > longest economic > expansion in US history, managed to e

RE: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Sam Morris
I’m basing I on Clintons book "My Lies", I mean "My Life". :) When that book came out all the critics attacked his presidency. Worst of all was the NY Times claiming he was trying to re-write history to save his image. When the NY Times rips Clinton you know the gig is up. I don't think there were

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Sam Morris
Do they still make Billy Beer? -sm --- Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't think Mr. Bush drinks anymore but, if he > did, what kind of > beer do you think he'd order? Lone Star? Shiner? > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address A

RE: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Wrong. Goodnight. -Original Message- From: Gruss Gott > Andy wrote: >That leads me to think that he would > only operate unilaterally after the damage had been done. The idea of Preemption was discredited by the war in Iraq; it will only work with perfect intelligence which we obviously

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Gruss Gott
> Andy wrote: >That leads me to think that he would > only operate unilaterally after the damage had been done. The idea of Preemption was discredited by the war in Iraq; it will only work with perfect intelligence which we obviously don't have. Without that, Preemption just drains your resources

RE: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Ah. I wouldn't use the word faith. But I do believe that the strongest leaders have core beliefs around which they center their decisions. These core beliefs provide a predictability for those working with them and gives them the strength to tackle unpleasant and unpopular tasks. Also, I was re

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Gruss Gott
> Andy wrote: > Since we disagree on is abilities here, no point in going there. Neither of > us has facts to give on this. These won't be out and digested for years. I wasn't writing about Mr. Bush, I was writing about you. I thought it was interesting that you felt that while personality play

RE: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Since we disagree on is abilities here, no point in going there. Neither of us has facts to give on this. These won't be out and digested for years. -Original Message- From: Gruss Gott Does ability to gather facts and make decisions based on good analysis play a role? On Wed, 27 Oct

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Gruss Gott
> Kevin Graeme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From what I hear through the grapevine of people who have worked for > both, they thought Clinton was scary smart and you couldn't help but > respect him but he was a bit of a stiff while Bush is more of a social > party guy. I don't think Mr. Bush drin

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Gruss Gott
ions, perspectives and beliefs matter > more. > > -Original Message- > From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 7:31 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry > > > Andy wrote: > > Sorry, not biti

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Kevin Graeme
> Really? Which guy would you rather have a beer with? >From what I hear through the grapevine of people who have worked for both, they thought Clinton was scary smart and you couldn't help but respect him but he was a bit of a stiff while Bush is more of a social party guy. -Kevin

RE: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Andy Ousterhout
: Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry > Andy wrote: > Sorry, not biting. I'd liked to have a beer with Clinton as well. But I > wouldn't vote for him. What red-blooded male wouldn't! I was just pointing out that you hear that all of the time. The presidency, to me, is mostly

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Won Lee
Sam Morris wrote: > But your two heros, Carter and Clinton are in the > books as the worst Presidents in modern times. > > -sm Whoa. I think that Clinton's popular appeal is much like Reagan. Both are deified by their respective parties. I like both Presidents similarly but for different rea

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Gruss Gott
> Andy wrote: > Sorry, not biting. I'd liked to have a beer with Clinton as well. But I > wouldn't vote for him. What red-blooded male wouldn't! I was just pointing out that you hear that all of the time. The presidency, to me, is mostly a personality contest along with a personal destruction

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Gruss Gott
> Larry wrote: > Um lets see, Clinton presided over the largest and longest economic > expansion in US history, managed to eliminate the deficit, > substantially changed welfare, has significantly changed the North > American economy with NAFTA. Larry, you're forgetting that Bushies don't worry ab

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Larry C. Lyons
John Kerry actually, I've drank with too many good old boys, like GW Bush, - as drinking companions they're stone cold boring after 5 minutes. At least Kerry has some intellegence and uses it on occasion. larry On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:11:21 -0500, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Andy w

RE: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Sorry, not biting. I'd liked to have a beer with Clinton as well. But I wouldn't vote for him. -Original Message- From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 7:11 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry > Andy wrote:

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Um lets see, Clinton presided over the largest and longest economic expansion in US history, managed to eliminate the deficit, substantially changed welfare, has significantly changed the North American economy with NAFTA. "... the worst Presidents in modern times." yes absolutely terrible perfor

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Gruss Gott
> Andy wrote: > I disagree with your analysis. Becoming a president is not a version of > Star Search. Really? Which guy would you rather have a beer with? ~| Purchase from House of Fusion, a Macromedia Authorized Affiliate and

RE: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Jim Davis
Which books? Jim Davis -Original Message- From: Sam Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 7:49 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry But your two heros, Carter and Clinton are in the books as the worst Presidents in modern times. -sm

RE: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Andy Ousterhout
I disagree with your analysis. Becoming a president is not a version of Star Search. -Original Message- From: Gruss Gott > Andy wrote: > Yikes. I guess being president of the US is a small achievement. Get real. > You can't find many that have been as successful. Sure they have to wo

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Sam Morris
But your two heros, Carter and Clinton are in the books as the worst Presidents in modern times. -sm --- Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Andy wrote: > > Yikes. I guess being president of the US is a > small achievement. Get real. > > You can't find many that have been as successful.

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Gruss Gott
> Andy wrote: > Yikes. I guess being president of the US is a small achievement. Get real. > You can't find many that have been as successful. Sure they have to work hard, blah, blah, blah. But they have thousands of handlers telling them exactly what to do, they just have to do it. Where's t

RE: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Yikes. I guess being president of the US is a small achievement. Get real. You can't find many that have been as successful. -Original Message- From: Gruss Gott Further I'd challenge you to find any less successful than Mr. Bush. ~

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Gruss Gott
> Andy wrote: > No, the real question is what did he do with his life. He has fought and > won against a difficult decease (remember, it is a decease, not a weakness) Good point - no argument there. > become Governor of Texas and then President of the US. So while you > personally detest him, h

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam Morris wrote: > But what's that have to do with Bush and Harvard? > His dad went to Yale so I can see the legacy theory. Prescott Bush, His dad was famous, etc. etc. You can't prove these things so if you think Mr. Bush wasn't a legacy then so be it. But then I would say you haven't met any

RE: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Jim Davis
Well - if he fought and won against death... then he's my man! (Sorry - couldn't resist!) Jim Davis -Original Message- From: Andy Ousterhout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 6:09 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Bush higher IQ than Kerry No

RE: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Andy Ousterhout
No, the real question is what did he do with his life. He has fought and won against a difficult decease (remember, it is a decease, not a weakness), become Governor of Texas and then President of the US. So while you personally detest him, he has been very successful. Andy -Original Messag

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Sam Morris
But what's that have to do with Bush and Harvard? His dad went to Yale so I can see the legacy theory. He wasn't rich enough to have influence at Harvard. -sm --- Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sam wrote: > > Please explain? > > Legacy typically means that you had a relative that >

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > Please explain? Legacy typically means that you had a relative that went to the school so you get a pass on other requirements. This also applies to rich kids, or kids with influential parents. This is because the school figures the kid will go on to be handed some big job. Then

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Sam Morris
Please explain? -sm --- "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Admitted as a legacy. > > larry __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > But what are Kerry do with his? 1.) Started a business that's still around today. 2.) Became a federal law enforcement official as a prosecutor. 3.) Became a Senator for 20 years. 4.) Married up. ~| Purchase from

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: > Either way, Harvard is one of the top five schools in > the world in teaching both management and finance. > So even a C is a hell of an accomplishment. No it isn't. If you're a complete unknown and you get in - it's a huge accomplishment. If you're a legacy they wrote your applicat

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Kevin Graeme
Interesting list of U.S. Presidents by college education: http://www.wordiq.com/definition/List_of_U.S._Presidents_by_college_education -Kevin ~| Purchase from House of Fusion, a Macromedia Authorized Affiliate and support the CF

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Howie Hamlin
Just like Flounder :) - Original Message - From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 5:17 PM Subject: Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry &g

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Admitted as a legacy. larry On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:41:50 -0700 (PDT), Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not sure. Maybe he was talking about Yale. > > So where did the C grade story come from? > > Either way, Harvard is one of the top five schools in > the world in teaching both mana

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Not at all. The standards are pretty tight. Much higher than what is required simply to get into Oxford. On the average its a pretty good guide to achievement. larry On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:30:52 -0700 (PDT), Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Without reading all that, I heard you just need a

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Sam Morris
So in your mind an MBA at one of the top 5 business schools in the world just isn't as good enough? --- Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sam wrote: > > Why don't you admit when you're wrong? > > You call Bush an idiot and when I show you he has > a > > higher IQ then Kerry > > Because

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Sam Morris
But what are Kerry do with his? --- Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Andy wrote: > > Actually not. Can you point to any direct > correlation between grades and > > success? If so, how does the correlation define > success? > > Yes, it's not so much that Mr. Bush went to Yale and > HBS

RE: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Matthew Small
(no matter how it was gained). - Matt Small -Original Message- From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 4:41 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry > Andy wrote: > Actually not. Can you point to any direct correlation between

RE: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Jim Davis
-Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 4:40 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Bush higher IQ than Kerry As the old saying goes: the sponsor just opens the door for you, you have carry yourself through it. Remember too that most of

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Sam Morris
I'm not sure. Maybe he was talking about Yale. So where did the C grade story come from? Either way, Harvard is one of the top five schools in the world in teaching both management and finance. So even a C is a hell of an accomplishment. --- Won Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sam Morris wro

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Gruss Gott
> Andy wrote: > Actually not. Can you point to any direct correlation between grades and > success? If so, how does the correlation define success? Yes, it's not so much that Mr. Bush went to Yale and HBS; he clearly got in as a legacy. The real question is what did he do with his education? T

RE: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Jim Davis
metimes). Jim Davis -Original Message- From: Sam Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 4:31 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry Without reading all that, I heard you just need a respectable person to spon

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Sam Morris
Without reading all that, I heard you just need a respectable person to sponsor you and your set. --- "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't think you necessarily understand what is > required to get a > Rhodes Scholarship. You have to among the top 1 or > 2% academically, as > wel

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > Why don't you admit when you're wrong? > You call Bush an idiot and when I show you he has a > higher IQ then Kerry Because I don't think I'm wrong. You didn't show me evidence - you just posted someone's theory based on decades old data. If you want to believe Mr. Bush has a high

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Larry C. Lyons
To some extent yes you can, first define Success for me. larry On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:17:13 -0500, Andy Ousterhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually not. Can you point to any direct correlation between grades and > success? If so, how does the correlation define success? > > Andy > > ---

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Larry C. Lyons
> From: "Sam Morris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 3:50 PM > > Subject: Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry > > > > > > What about Clinton? How'd he

RE: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Matthew Small
good thing. - Matt Small -Original Message- From: Sam Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 4:17 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry I've heard Bush refer to himself as a C student. -sm --- Won Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

RE: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Jim Davis
rs. It just doesn't seem worth it to me. Jim Davis -Original Message- From: Won Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 4:10 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry Larry C. Lyons wrote: > But a C+ GPA in grad school is still a C+. It

RE: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Actually not. Can you point to any direct correlation between grades and success? If so, how does the correlation define success? Andy -Original Message- From: Larry C. Lyons But a C+ GPA in grad school is still a C+. It says he showed up, and did barely well enough that we can't kick

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Won Lee
Sam Morris wrote: > I've heard Bush refer to himself as a C student. > > -sm So he got a C from Yale AND Harvard? At least he is consistent. -- 2004 - The year $184M couldn't buy a pennant. ~| Purchase from House of Fusion,

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Sam Morris
I've heard Bush refer to himself as a C student. -sm --- Won Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > But a C+ GPA in grad school is still a C+. It says > he showed up, and > > did barely well enough that we can't kick him out. > A C+ says a lot > > about the person in that cas

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Larry C. Lyons
IQ does not necessarily mean much more than skills at IQ tests. I would be very interested in seeing Bush's WAIS profiles - the Weschler Adult Intelligence Scale is used to determine IQ. An overall score is essentially meaningless. What is more important is the profile - how the person did on the

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Sam Morris
ot; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 3:50 PM > Subject: Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry > > > What about Clinton? How'd he do in Oxford? > > >

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Won Lee
Larry C. Lyons wrote: > But a C+ GPA in grad school is still a C+. It says he showed up, and > did barely well enough that we can't kick him out. A C+ says a lot > about the person in that case. > My quetion isn't about the value of a C+ at HBS. My question is, "What was Bush's GPA at HBS?" An

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Larry C. Lyons
But a C+ GPA in grad school is still a C+. It says he showed up, and did barely well enough that we can't kick him out. A C+ says a lot about the person in that case. larry On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:50:38 -0400, Won Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Does anyone have evidence of what his grades

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Won Lee
Howie Hamlin wrote: > Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar. > Yes. Clinton's intelligence has never been questioned. I would be suprised if anyone questioned his libido too. But that is another topic. Clinton is probably the last "grew up a regular guy" President the US will have. Shame. -- 20

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Howie Hamlin
Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar. - Original Message - From: "Sam Morris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 3:50 PM Subject: Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry What abou

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Won Lee
> > Does anyone have evidence of what his grades were at HBS? I read a > Salon.com article that interviews one of his former profs. Interesting > stuff even if it's only one man's opinion. > > The reason that I'm asking is there is a lot of noise on this subject. Like em or hate em, a degr

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Sam Morris
Why don't you admit when you're wrong? You call Bush an idiot and when I show you he has a higher IQ then Kerry you say it's a different IQ. And his real IQ is 0. Every time someone proves you wrong you make up some little personal experience to back your point of view or you change the subject rea

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Won Lee
Larry C. Lyons wrote: > In this case you may be right. For instance the C+ in Business > Administration may have been an overestimate of his abilities. For > instance how many successful private businesses, that were not > election related, has he run? > > I suspect that its not intelligence, alth

RE: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Ken Ketsdever
hopefully much like the Pet Rock his reign will short -Original Message- From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 6:18 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry > Brian wrote: > And anyone who thinks you can get to be the Pre

RE: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread John Stanley
hadnt seen that one.;-) -Original Message- From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 2:21 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry I think this is pretty funny... http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Howie Hamlin
I think this is pretty funny... http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushchimplookalikes.htm - Original Message - From: "John Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 2:10 PM Subjec

RE: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread John Stanley
thanks! -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 2:15 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Bush higher IQ than Kerry http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/Bush-Quotes-ngin.htm http://www.mindspring.com/~mike.wicks/AEBush.html Ray At 02

RE: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Ray Champagne
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/Bush-Quotes-ngin.htm http://www.mindspring.com/~mike.wicks/AEBush.html Ray At 02:10 PM 10/27/2004, you wrote: >nothing to do with the discussion at hand but >damn, doesnt Bush look alot like Alfred E. Newman? I'm sure somebody >somewhere >has done a side-by-side c

RE: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread John Stanley
nothing to do with the discussion at hand but damn, doesnt Bush look alot like Alfred E. Newman? I'm sure somebody somewhere has done a side-by-side comparison of both of their faces. ~| Purchase from House of Fusion, a Macromed

RE: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Actually, Bush did say that he had an intelligence error ( go ahead, laugh) and that he was looking into it. He said it during the debates. However, the wolves were baying for raw meat so that didn't suffice. And Clinton would have been much better off if he'd admitted his error, then went for a

RE: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Andy Ousterhout
We'll see if you say the same about Bush as time passes. Andy -Original Message- From: G Interesting thing about Clinton, at the time the allegations were levelled, his advisors told him to lie about it, arguing that admitting it immediately would cost him his presidency. Clinton did wha

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Gruss Gott
> Andy wrote: > "I could have done better/I made a mistake" statement. Kind of like what we > wanted from Clinton with the Monica thing - if he'd just said right when it > came out that he'd made a mistake Well said - it's never the offense, it's the cover up. Pinging off of what Brian said ther

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Larry C. Lyons
ho thinks you can get to be the President of the United > States > > > while being "not too bright".shares that moniker. > > > > > > >- Original Message - > > > >From: "Gruss Gott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread G
Interesting thing about Clinton, at the time the allegations were levelled, his advisors told him to lie about it, arguing that admitting it immediately would cost him his presidency. Clinton did what Bush didhe followed the advice of his advisors. The "if you'd only told us the truth in the b

RE: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Gruss, I also think that there is another reason. If you make a decision based off of the information at hand at that time and it turns out that the information was wrong, is that a mistake? One can question the timing -- should we wait for more information -- and that might be viewed as a mistak

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread G
age - From: "Gruss Gott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 11:12 AM Subject: Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry > > Brian wrote: > > That's a lot different than saying "he's not to

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Gruss Gott
> Brian wrote: > That's a lot different than saying "he's not too bright". As I said, his real strength is emotional IQ and I think he relies heavily on that to make decisions. That is, he's a emotional decision maker rather than quantitative one. This is why he's so unwilling to admit mistakes.

RE: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Jim Davis
Actually IQ has very little to with business, social or educational acumen. Somebody may very well be a genius on IQ tests... but could also be many things that still make him an awful president. They could be lazy, overzealous, unsympathetic, fanatical or any of an infinite number of other negat

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread G
27;s a lot different than saying "he's not too bright". - Original Message - From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:48 AM Subject: Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Larry C. Lyons
ROTECTED]> > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 12:36 AM > >Subject: Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry > > > > > Anybody that thinks Mr. Bush has a higher IQ than Mr. Kerry has a > > lower IQ than Mr.

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread Gruss Gott
> Brian wrote: > And anyone who thinks you can get to be the President of the United States > while being "not too bright".shares that moniker. Mr. Bush's qualifications for President in 2000: 1.) 4 bankrupt businesses followed by one successful investment he was practically dragged into and

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-27 Thread G
ent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 12:36 AM >Subject: Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry > > Anybody that thinks Mr. Bush has a higher IQ than Mr. Kerry has a > lower IQ than Mr. Bush. > > Here's a rich boy with a Harvard MBA that bankrupted 4 businesses and > never made a dime e

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-26 Thread Gruss Gott
Anybody that thinks Mr. Bush has a higher IQ than Mr. Kerry has a lower IQ than Mr. Bush. Here's a rich boy with a Harvard MBA that bankrupted 4 businesses and never made a dime except when investors lent him money and told him what to buy with it. He's not too bright. All that having been said,

Re: Bush higher IQ than Kerry

2004-10-26 Thread Marlon Moyer
That was based on a test that was before the boozing and coke snorting days. :) On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:09:25 -0700 (PDT), Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/24/politics/campaign/24points.html > > By JOHN TIERNEY > > Any relation Dana? > > __