Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-05 Thread denstar
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: ... > It has everything to do with.  It's hard to fight a two front war. Seen that movie Pi, where the number 216 is like, all over the place? Yeah... :Den -- Time heals griefs and quarrels, for we change and are no longer the same persons.

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-05 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Countrywide had nothing to do with Healthcare. " Oh yeah. The payoffs Countrywide paid to certain candidate (for example Chris Dodd) showed exactly how corrupt these bastards where. More backlash means less chance of passing. "If Issa did his little dance moves in order to try to kill an unre

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-04 Thread Sam
All the top secret amendments bringing the bill to over 2000 pages changed the entire bill. . On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: >> >> "You seemed to be claiming that the Health Insurance Reform bill was 100% a >> Democ

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-04 Thread Judah McAuley
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "You seemed to be claiming that the Health Insurance Reform bill was 100% a > Democratic construct that blocked out Republican input and kowtowed to the > extremities of the Democratic party. " > > I am claiming that since it's the truth. W

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-04 Thread Jerry Barnes
"You seemed to be claiming that the Health Insurance Reform bill was 100% a Democratic construct that blocked out Republican input and kowtowed to the extremities of the Democratic party. " I am claiming that since it's the truth. "But it has nothing to do with Democrats working with Republican

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-04 Thread Jerry Barnes
"That's got to suck. Harry, Barbara and Nancy sacrifice all those idiot blue dogs and they keep their jobs." You never know. Those one sided compromises might include cushy new jobs in favored lobbying firms and so on. J - No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is i

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-04 Thread Maureen
Don't know.A couple who voted against it were re-elected. Don't have time to research the positions of the other 22. On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Sam wrote: > > How many Blue Dogs voted against Obamacare and lost the election? > > > . > > On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Maureen wrote:

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-04 Thread Maureen
The most punished "group"...as in a political coalition. Percentage wise, they lost 50% of their seats. On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Sam wrote: > > No. Wasn't your point that they were the most punished? > > > On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Maureen wrote: >> >> What about them?  Do they h

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-04 Thread Sam
How many Blue Dogs voted against Obamacare and lost the election? . On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Maureen wrote: > > 54 members of the Blue Dog caucus before election.  26 now. > > http://nation.foxnews.com/blue-dog-democrats/2010/11/03/blue-dogs-shaved-half ~~~

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-04 Thread Sam
No. Wasn't your point that they were the most punished? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Maureen wrote: > > What about them?  Do they have anything to do with Blue Dogs? > > On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Sam wrote: >> >> What about the 680 State Leg. Seats?

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-04 Thread Maureen
What about them? Do they have anything to do with Blue Dogs? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Sam wrote: > > What about the 680 State Leg. Seats? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfus

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-04 Thread Sam
That's got to suck. Harry, Barbara and Nancy sacrifice all those idiot blue dogs and they keep their jobs. Got to love that party. At any cost. . On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Maureen wrote: > > 54 members of the Blue Dog caucus before election.  26 now. > > http://nation.foxnews.com/blue-do

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-04 Thread Sam
What about the 680 State Leg. Seats? . On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Maureen wrote: > > 54 members of the Blue Dog caucus before election.  26 now. > > http://nation.foxnews.com/blue-dog-democrats/2010/11/03/blue-dogs-shaved-half > > On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Sam wrote: >> >> How man

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-04 Thread Maureen
54 members of the Blue Dog caucus before election. 26 now. http://nation.foxnews.com/blue-dog-democrats/2010/11/03/blue-dogs-shaved-half On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Sam wrote: > > How many Blue Dogs were there? > > Devastation: GOP Picks Up 680 State Leg. Seats > http://hotlineoncall.nati

RE: Punitive Politics

2010-11-04 Thread Eric Roberts
If that was truly the case, then they wouldn't have voted for the people that blocked or voted no on almost every measure to change that. -Original Message- From: Robert Munn [mailto:cfmuns...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 2:12 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Pun

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-04 Thread Sam
How many Blue Dogs were there? Devastation: GOP Picks Up 680 State Leg. Seats http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2010/11/devastation-gop.php Must have been a lot. . On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Which is pretty funny when you consider how many of the Blue

RE: Punitive Politics

2010-11-04 Thread Eric Roberts
And deservedly so... -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 2:11 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Punitive Politics Which is pretty funny when you consider how many of the Blue Dogs lost their seats in the election Tuesday

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-04 Thread Robert Munn
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Maureen wrote: > > Which is pretty funny when you consider how many of the Blue Dogs lost > their seats in the election Tuesday. They were by far the most > punished group of congresscritters. > > Those folks were never going to survive more than one election cy

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-04 Thread Robert Munn
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > As did many on the left. The progressive priorities were also what a > majority of the people wanted. Instead the blue dogs shifted everything to > kiss the insurance company's ass...as well as their rep

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-04 Thread Maureen
Which is pretty funny when you consider how many of the Blue Dogs lost their seats in the election Tuesday. They were by far the most punished group of congresscritters. On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > As did many on the left.  The progressive priorities were also what

RE: Punitive Politics

2010-11-04 Thread Eric Roberts
Except for the fact that they weren't locked out... -Original Message- From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 12:20 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Punitive Politics "Can you name one part of the health care insurance reform pro

RE: Punitive Politics

2010-11-04 Thread Eric Roberts
-Original Message- From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 10:58 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Punitive Politics I complained about plenty during the year of health care insurance reform discussion. Like handing the process over to the

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-04 Thread Sam
Try this one: http://tinyurl.com/25hqm76 CF site: http://www.republican.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Blogs.Detail&Blog_ID=d5bb2321-b98d-405f-ba84-97fab7963009&Month=4&Year=2010 . On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > You do realize that that incident has nothing t

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-04 Thread Judah McAuley
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Yet nothing approaching that made it to a vote, let a lone passed." > > Who said it did? > > "And still you say there was no compromise, that it was a party-line > shove down the throat of America. " > > Say what?  There was plenty of compr

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-04 Thread Sam
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > > http://www.rollcall.com/news/39713-1.html or Is that the same Darrell Issa that will be the next chair of the the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee? Oppps. . ~~

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-04 Thread Sam
They made compromises with the Blue Dog Democrats, they couldn't even get all of them on board. . On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > Yet nothing approaching that made it to a vote, let a lone passed. And > still you say there was no compromise, that it was a party-line sh

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-04 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Yet nothing approaching that made it to a vote, let a lone passed." Who said it did? "And still you say there was no compromise, that it was a party-line shove down the throat of America. " Say what? There was plenty of compromise. All on the Democrat side. The Louisiana Purchase, the Corn

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-04 Thread Judah McAuley
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Can you name one part of the health care insurance reform process where > Republicans volunteered to compromise?" > > Hard to compromise when you are locked out of the meetings.  It kind of > sends the message that even if you offer anythin

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-04 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Can you name one part of the health care insurance reform process where Republicans volunteered to compromise?" Hard to compromise when you are locked out of the meetings. It kind of sends the message that even if you offer anything, we won't accept it. Oh, that was the message. Now, I'll ask

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-04 Thread Judah McAuley
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > "They see the health care package as it passed as a sellout to the > Republicans and the insurance industry.  " > > Of course they will.  Nothing but full blown socialization of medicine is > acceptable.  Anything less is a sellout to Republic

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-04 Thread Jerry Barnes
"There are those on the left who would disagree with you" Of course they would. And that's not a bad thing. At some point in the last 50 years, it seems that it has become taboo to disagree. "They see the health care package as it passed as a sellout to the Republicans and the insurance indu

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-04 Thread Judah McAuley
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Sam wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: >> >> Fair enough. I can't bring myself to read Little Green Footballs and >> Redstate all the time either. > > I thought LGF flipped to the dark side. > They did flip to the slightly less insan

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-04 Thread Judah McAuley
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 3:27 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > That's funny.  Sounds just like Obama Care.  Was it sickening when the > Democrats were doing it?  I don't remember seeing you complain about it > then.  Just sayin'. Here's a question for you, Jerry: Can you name one part of the health ca

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-04 Thread Sam
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > Fair enough. I can't bring myself to read Little Green Footballs and > Redstate all the time either. I thought LGF flipped to the dark side. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusio

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-04 Thread Judah McAuley
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 3:27 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "I understand this line of thinking and it is exactly what I've seen on the > left at places like DailyKos." > > > I wouldn't know about the DailyKos.  I can't get my daily dose of extreme > liberalism delivered to my mailbox via cf-talk. F

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-04 Thread Larry C. Lyons
The ad bordered on racist. I think that is why hispanics went for Reid. On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Sam wrote: > >> >> >> Reid won only because his opponent was so weak. That and it appears >> Nevadans like having the worst economy. >>

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-04 Thread Maureen
There are those on the left who would disagree with you. They see the health care package as it passed as a sellout to the Republicans and the insurance industry. They may (weakly) support it because they feel it is better than nothing, but it certainly didn't please all the base. On Thu, Nov 4

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-04 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I understand this line of thinking and it is exactly what I've seen on the left at places like DailyKos." I wouldn't know about the DailyKos. I can't get my daily dose of extreme liberalism delivered to my mailbox via cf-talk. "It is straight up partisan, kowtow to the extreme of your party,

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-04 Thread Jerry Barnes
" So a dead Democrat beat a living Republican. Priceless." That cuts both ways. Some would say it's priceless since a Republican lost. Some would say it's priceless since the idiots voted in a dead person. J - Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Robert Munn
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Sam wrote: > > > Reid won only because his opponent was so weak. That and it appears > Nevadans like having the worst economy. > > Hispanics broke for Reid 3-1, apparently because of an ad Angle aired bashing Reid for being too easy on illegal immigration. That's

RE: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Eric Roberts
The budget for war should be offense budget :-D -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 9:23 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Punitive Politics On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 3, 2010

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Sam
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Putting it at the top this time. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKdmp0kEWTo Sorry I said clicked. > My point, which you persist in missing, is that those who were > defeated or had very close races, were luckwarm in their support of > healt

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Maureen
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Vivec wrote: > >> >> How about cutting 50% from Defence AKA War :-) > > Defense != War True, but the last decade most of the "defense" budget has been spent on "war", so they need to uncouple the spending an

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Maureen
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Sam wrote: The line monster ruined your video. Putting it at the top this time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKdmp0kEWTo > On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Maureen wrote: > Such the niggler. You do that often when you don;t want to concede. > Of the 61 that

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Robert Munn
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Vivec wrote: > > How about cutting 50% from Defence AKA War :-) > lol > Defense != War ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/14302721

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Sam
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Maureen wrote: > >> Did you miss the word "few" > > Of all the Democrats listed that article, 50% won.  So now 50% is few? Such the niggler. You do that often when you don;t want to concede. Of the 61 that lost, do you think 30 of them voted against Health Care Bo

RE: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Eric Roberts
Yep...I think it was Russ Carnahan (not 100% on the name)...his wife served his term and was beaten by Al Blout yesterday. -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 8:22 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Punitive Politics So a

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Maureen
So a dead Democrat beat a living Republican. Priceless. Didn't a dead guy beat John Ashcroft in 2000? On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Sam wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Maureen wrote: >> >> >> Did you miss the part where Pelosi and Reid were reelected? > > So? > > http://www.huffi

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Maureen
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Sam wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Maureen wrote: > >>> http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/politics-elections/127261-few-democrats-survive-vote-in-favor-of-health-reform >> >> Did you miss the part where Pelosi and Reid were reelected? > > Did you mi

RE: Who got punished? Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Eric Roberts
Regardless of trends...it's sad that people can't be bothered to get off their lazy asses and vote... -Original Message- From: G Money [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 4:41 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Who got punished? Re: Punitive Politic

RE: Who got punished? Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Eric Roberts
You can thank the Roberts court for that...singing Rush "Big Money" -Original Message- From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 3:13 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Who got punished? Re: Punitive Politics I don;t see that at all.

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Sam
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Maureen wrote: > > > Did you miss the part where Pelosi and Reid were reelected? So? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/03/jenny-oropeza-wins-califo_n_778113.html Jenny Oropeza died last month, but her political career lives on. The deceased California Democr

Re: Who got punished? Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Sam
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Casey Dougall wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Sam wrote: > >> This state must be filled with the biggest idiots. >> Gillibrand's acceptable,  but the other two... >> > > Schumer is vocal, I'll give him that. You hear his comments more than > Gillibrand.

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Sam
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Maureen wrote: >> http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/politics-elections/127261-few-democrats-survive-vote-in-favor-of-health-reform > > Did you miss the part where Pelosi and Reid were reelected? Did you miss the word "few" >>> Just wait.  Even you don't want

Re: Who got punished? Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Casey Dougall
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Sam wrote: > This state must be filled with the biggest idiots. > Gillibrand's acceptable, but the other two... > Schumer is vocal, I'll give him that. You hear his comments more than Gillibrand. Cuomo was a really good attorney general for NY and has been bring

Re: Who got punished? Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Judah McAuley
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 1:41 PM, G Money wrote: > > Whoa whoa whoa...you cannot compare vote turnout in a mid-term election, > with the voter turnout during a presidential election. Mid term voter > turnout will ALWAYS be lower, and usually MUCH lower. > > To get a better comparison of turnout "tr

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Maureen
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Sam wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Maureen wrote: >> Doubtful most voters made any decisions based health care.  The >> economy and the rhetoric from the pundits perhaps, but the most vocal >> supporters of the health care plan, like Pelosi, won easil

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Judah McAuley
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "So who exactly did the Republicans punish?" > > Who said Republicans?  It would be hard for anyone to win a race these days > with the support of one party.  You have to get the independents.  You know, > those independents who voted for th

Re: Who got punished? Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Sam
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice. -Neil wrote it Geddy said it On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > it is just sad that so many people wouldn't bother to show up. > ~| Order the Adobe

Re: Who got punished? Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread G Money
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > One thing I found interesting about this election is that for all the > foreknowledge that Democrats were going to get the smackdown in this > election, for everything everyone said about how there needed to be > bigger turn out to avoid a

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Sam
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Define a failing state. Bankrupt, higher than average unemployment. > All of Dems voted for the health care plan, and some of the Repubs. Voting yes were 219 Democrats and 0 Republicans. Voting no were 34 Democrats and 178 Republicans. There a

Re: Who got punished? Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Jerry Barnes
"My point wasn't that the Democratic Party didn't get punished, my point was that moderate to conservative democrats got punished at a much higher rate than progressives. That same punishment was visited on the Republican side as well, though more so in the primary season than the general election

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Jerry Barnes
"So who exactly did the Republicans punish?" Who said Republicans? It would be hard for anyone to win a race these days with the support of one party. You have to get the independents. You know, those independents who voted for the Democrats and Barack Obama in 2008. "While she will no long

Re: Who got punished? Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Judah McAuley
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Who got punished?" > > The Democratic Party got punished for not listening to their constituents. >  This is very obvious when conservative Democrats who voted against Obama > Care got trounced by no name challengers. > > Certain incumbent

Re: Who got punished? Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Sam
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Casey Dougall wrote: > > > It's all about how many yard signs you have pinned up around town! I remember hearing many dems got caught stealing yard signs again and someone said you have to be a real idiot to think that influences people. made me laugh. > All I go

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Jerry Barnes
"My problem with a lot of the people who got elected this time around is that they don't seem to have any real idea of how they would exercise greater fiscal discipline and help control the size of government. If you came to me with a plan that says, 'this is the cuts I'll pursue and the related c

Re: Who got punished? Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Casey Dougall
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Sam wrote: > Weird. > > Democrats outspent the Republicans in the House > and the Republicans outspent the Democrats in the Senate. > > What was your point? > Money has the opposite effect? > :) > It's all about how many yard signs you have pinned up around town

Re: Who got punished? Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Who got punished?" The Democratic Party got punished for not listening to their constituents. This is very obvious when conservative Democrats who voted against Obama Care got trounced by no name challengers. Certain incumbent Republicans got punished in the primaries for the same reason. The

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Maureen
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Sam wrote: > > I did notice all the failing states retained their leaders. Define a failing state. > The Republicans did win the house, now have the most governors and > gained several senate seats. > Not sure why you would try to spin that as a democrat win. >

Re: Who got punished? Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Sam
Weird. Democrats outspent the Republicans in the House and the Republicans outspent the Democrats in the Senate. What was your point? Money has the opposite effect? :) On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > I don;t see that at all. > > What I saw was that _exceptionally huge

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Sam
I did notice all the failing states retained their leaders. The Republicans did win the house, now have the most governors and gained several senate seats. Not sure why you would try to spin that as a democrat win. Those who lost are mainly the ones that voted for ObamaCare, except of course for

Re: Who got punished? Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Maureen
Hard to say.I think the people out here got really tired of her ads, so it might have been closer with less spending. The hypocrisy on the illegal housekeeper issue hurt her a lot. But basically her overall message killed her chances, as did Fiorina's. I'm a former C-level exec at a technology

Re: Who got punished? Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Jerry Johnson
that was dumb money. but, do you think the race would have been that close without that level of spending? On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Meg Whitman spent 160 million dollars, most of it her own money, and lost. > > On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote: >

Re: Who got punished? Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Maureen
Meg Whitman spent 160 million dollars, most of it her own money, and lost. On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > I don;t see that at all. > > What I saw was that _exceptionally huge_ money affected a lot of races. Not > normal money, not even big money, but ridiculous money.

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread G Money
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Angle lost because Reid got 11 percent of the Republican vote. > O'Donnell lost, Fiorina lost. So why is the Tea Party crowing > victory? > > I HOPE that the Republicans were merely using the Tea Party idiots to help them win an election, and w

Re: Who got punished? Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Jerry Johnson
I don;t see that at all. What I saw was that _exceptionally huge_ money affected a lot of races. Not normal money, not even big money, but ridiculous money. Like tequila shots at the end of a night, money gave people like a 20% bump they otherwise wouldn't have had. In races that should not hav

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Maureen
So who exactly did the Republicans punish? While she will no long be speaker, Nancy Pelosi won her seat again with 80% of the vote. Harry Reid was re-elected. The Dems still hold the Senate. Those who lost their seats, for the most part, were moderates who were willing to work across the aisle

Who got punished? Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Judah McAuley
You know, I was just thinking about who got punished in this election. When I look over the results, both in the primaries and the general election, I see a polarizing effect. A lot of Tea Party sort of folks made primary challenges to more established Republicans, coming at them from the right.

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread denstar
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Robert Munn wrote: > > Either our leaders in Washington are going to find their courage and start > tackling our structural deficits or heads are going to roll again in 2012. > Voters want everything and they are not going to get it. Someone has to man > up and mov

RE: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Eric Roberts
...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 1:17 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Punitive Politics Either our leaders in Washington are going to find their courage and start tackling our structural deficits or heads are going to roll again in 2012. Voters want everything and they are not

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Vivec
>_> <_< sowwies to hear that. 0_0 On 3 November 2010 13:36, Jeff Garza wrote: > > Oh... Don't worry... They are cutting from defense. I just got laid off > from a major defense company yesterday. The pain is still here folks. > > Jeff > > ~~

RE: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Jeff Garza
t: Re: Punitive Politics How about cutting 50% from Defence AKA War :-) lol On 3 November 2010 13:17, Robert Munn wrote: > > Why can't we cut 3% from Defense? > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://w

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Jerry Johnson
Heck, if they really wanted to try, I bet any 5th grade class could help them make smart cuts that are not hurtful. The problem is "not in my backyard" (or not from my pocketbook). Every politician has people that own them, and have money that they are getting that they are not willing to give u

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Judah McAuley
Doing that all at once would be rather damaging to the economy, if nothing else. Could we cut taxes after that? Sure, but we'd have a big ol spike in unemployment to deal with. Probably not the wisest course right now. On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Vivec wrote: > > How about cutting 50% from

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Vivec
How about cutting 50% from Defence AKA War :-) lol On 3 November 2010 13:17, Robert Munn wrote: > > Why can't we cut 3% from Defense? > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Antho

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Robert Munn
Either our leaders in Washington are going to find their courage and start tackling our structural deficits or heads are going to roll again in 2012. Voters want everything and they are not going to get it. Someone has to man up and move ahead with painful cuts across the board. Why can't we cut 1

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Judah McAuley
I don't tend to trust anyway running for anything unless they can tell me "how". If you don't know how, then tell me who is going to tell you how. Which lobbying groups? Which pundits? Which economists? Judah On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > I am truly less concerned ab

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Jerry Johnson
I am truly less concerned about "how" yet. That is why I loved the "The Rent is Too Damn High" guy. One simple message. So true. And so many ways to address it from any number of political opinions, both conservative and liberal, smaller government and bigger. I am hoping (not very hopeFUL, but

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread Judah McAuley
I think that's very well put, Jerry. Though I would quibble slightly with your characterization of the 2008 election as Democrats had strong success in 2006, so part of 2008 was building on what they had done the election before. But certainly a lot of 2008 was a reaction against how bad things ha

Re: Punitive Politics

2010-11-03 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
> It's funny.  This morning, I saw where some talking heads were already > predicting what kind of gains the GOP could make in the next election. > > They still don't understand.  This election was not about support for the > GOP agenda.  It was about the Democrat agenda, specifically, its refutat