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> Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 01/11/2007 10:55 AM
> Please respond to cf-community
>
>
>To: CF-Community
> cc: (bcc: Scott A. Stewart/REAC/HHQ/HUD)
>Subject:Re: so...the
ee how you can make a blanket statement
that has
> > no way of being verified.
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 11:18 AM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Su
> > no way of being verified.
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 11:18 AM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: Re: so...there's no such thing as global warming
Temps near freezing last night, freezing rain today and sleet/snow tomorrow
in the Cali. High Desert. And we are going camping this weekend. Should be
fun.
On 1/11/07, Erika Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> utterly freezing here past 3 days, ice formed in the dog's water dish
> yesterday and
utterly freezing here past 3 days, ice formed in the dog's water dish
yesterday and today.
Tomorrow ... lows in the low 50's highs in the high 60's. Go figure.
On 1/11/07, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Fifth snow day (well technically one day was for power outages after a
> huge win
Fifth snow day (well technically one day was for power outages after a
huge windstorm) of the school year here in our district in Washington.
The kids will now be in school until 28 June.
On 1/11/07, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 16 this morning here.
>
> doesnt matter.
>
> by 8pm tonight, it
16 this morning here.
doesnt matter.
by 8pm tonight, it will be 50 deg.
and 60's this weekend again.
:) i love global warming
On 1/11/07, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yup, sunny and a balmy 20 something in Lexington.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Crow T. Robot [mailto:
Yup, sunny and a balmy 20 something in Lexington.
> -Original Message-
> From: Crow T. Robot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> And, as predicted, here we sit, one week later, and it's 15F, not
> supposed to rise above 20F.
>
> Stupid New England weather
>
>
>And it will be all your fault.
>
>On 1/5/07, Ray Champagne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Ha - watch, next week, we'll get blasted with CO-like snow and Canada-like
>> wind and ice, and blasts of cold. =)
>>
And, as predicted, here we sit, one week later, and it's 15F, not supposed to
rise ab
; > > From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 11:18 AM
> > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > Subject: Re: so...there's no such thing as global warming?
> > > >
> > > > Has there ever been
> > -Original Message-
> > > From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 11:18 AM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: Re: so...there's no such thing as global warming?
> > >
> > > Ha
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: so...there's no such thing as global warming?
> >
> > Has there ever been a change as quick in the entire history of the
> > world?
> > (That wasn't occassioned by a meteor strike or a huge volcanic
> > errupt
(bcc: Scott A. Stewart/REAC/HHQ/HUD)
Subject: Re: so...there's no such thing as global warming?
>The hybrid highlander with the tow group would run about 36k, which is
about
>10k more than my escape v6 limited. That is more than just being able to
>care about the
>I don't know about many, I don't know too many people that can pay that. I'm
>sure there are some that do, but in driving down the road the 40k SUV is
>definitely not the most common one out there.
It depends on where you live to a great deal. Down in the DC area where I used
to live Toyota, Acc
> Mary Jo wrote:
> >... yet when you make people WANT it rather than DEMANDING they do it,
> >things work out better.
>
> Yes, a combination of things is usually what is needed. Tax credits and
> incentives for buying hybrids have worked well in some areas. Where I used to
> live, hybrid owners w
> Yes, a combination of things is usually what is needed. Tax credits
> and incentives for buying hybrids have worked well in some areas.
> Where I used to live, hybrid owners were allowed to use HOV lanes,
> which greatly increased the number bought in the area.
BTW - here's an excellent site
gt; From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 12:49 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: so...there's no such thing as global warming?
> >
> > > Nick wrote:
> > > Nope, but they still aren't ready for the high
Doesn't bio diesel and conversion take just as much fossil based fuels to
create than it replaces?
> -Original Message-
> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 12:49 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: so...there's no suc
I don't know about many, I don't know too many people that can pay that. I'm
sure there are some that do, but in driving down the road the 40k SUV is
definitely not the most common one out there.
The Escape, Explorer, Jeep Cherokee are far more common, and about 10k
cheaper.
> -Original Messa
>... yet when you make people WANT it rather than DEMANDING they do it,
>things work out better.
Yes, a combination of things is usually what is needed. Tax credits and
incentives for buying hybrids have worked well in some areas. Where I used to
live, hybrid owners were allowed to use HOV lanes
>These guys (UCS) are a radical left-wing group formed to protest the
>Vietnam war.
So what. The facts remain. If you're going to parrot right wing propaganda, its
a good idea to get the facts.
What is in dispute over the story? Is it that Exxon has given substantial
amounts of cash to cranks
We're getting there but it's still years away.
Plug Power Baby!!! http://www.plugpower.com/ They teamed with Honda
for the Home Energy System which is still kicking it in R&D.
http://world.honda.com/FuelCell/FCX/station/
The new Home Energy Station system, which can currently produce enough
hyd
Well I never said I "need" the toys, rather I "need" the vehicle to haul
these toys that I choose to have. And you are right, there are trucks out
there that do not serve any other purpose other than to say "Look at me!. I
have a bling bling truck/suv that I do not need because I will never haul a
> Mary Jo wrote:
>But many people simply do not need it. Just look at the trend in car sizes
So you need to make "efficiency" less costly while making big cars
more costly. That's already the case: I paid a $2500 gas guzzler tax
on my car.
But that's my choice, so I paid the tax. I'll also have
yet when you make people WANT it rather than DEMANDING they do it,
things work out better.
The Governator wants solar on 1 million rooftops in Cali, so rather
than mandating that as a requirement, he introduced a subsidy for
Solar for the first 1 million homes to do it. And it's working! 1
The government isn't going to change the laws because the legislators know
they will get tossed out of office if they try. You can't effectively
legislate behavior. People are going to do what they want.
Just look at California. The state government tried to dictate to the auto
industry that by a
>Really really need as in I have a trailer I tow that, when loaded with
>quads, golf cart, BBQ grill and smoker weighs over 3000 lbs. Now I am pretty
>sure that there is NOT a hybrid that can haul all of this so thus I need
>this truck.
Well, some people might really debate the "need" to have thes
Certainly a step int he right direction!
-Cameron
On 1/8/07, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nope, but they still aren't ready for the highway, they work well in that
> situation, but my point being that the technology is there, is just needs
> the proper tweaking.
> Nick wrote:
> Nope, but they still aren't ready for the highway, they work well in that
> situation, but my point being that the technology is there, is just needs
> the proper tweaking.
>
I like the clean diesel/biodiesel technology. Here's a good example:
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/01/07/d
> Cam wrote:
> Well that's cool. Hybrid SUVs really save relatively little fuel and
> the electric motor is primarily there as a power booster. Are these
> dump truck vehicles the same?
>
I like that Lexus V8 hybrid. If you chucked the electric motor and
added some turbos it'd be perfect.
12:37 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: so...there's no such thing as global warming?
>
> Well that's cool. Hybrid SUVs really save relatively little fuel and
> the electric motor is primarily there as a power booster. Are these
> d
>The hybrid highlander with the tow group would run about 36k, which is about
>10k more than my escape v6 limited. That is more than just being able to
>care about the environment. If I compare them similarly equipped it is about
>13k more.
Sure, some people can't afford the better hybrids that ar
> Scourge wrote:
> Our toys are four stroke engines, not two stroke.
My motto is: 2 stroke, 4 stroke, whatever it takes.
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Well that's cool. Hybrid SUVs really save relatively little fuel and
the electric motor is primarily there as a power booster. Are these
dump truck vehicles the same?
-Cameron
On 1/8/07, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm talking about the dump trucks that haul the stuff away also.
te:
> > > > What about those of us who have these big gas guzzling trucks/SUV
> > > because we
> > > > need them?
> > > >
> > > > Bruce
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From:
> Mary Jo wrote:
> How about actually *buying* more efficient cars...rather than SUVs and
> Hummers?
To be blunt, that will NEVER work. Capitalism is the solution to all
problems so let's apply it here just as GreenPeace learned to do with
environmentalism. And what's more environmental than th
I'm talking about the dump trucks that haul the stuff away also.
> -Original Message-
> From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 12:19 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: so...there's no such thing as global warm
A. Stewart/REAC/HHQ/HUD)
Subject: RE: so...there's no such thing as global warming?
The hybrid highlander with the tow group would run about 36k, which is
about
10k more than my escape v6 limited. That is more than just being able to
care about the environment. If I c
Yeah I saw that Discovery Channel show also. Something tells me that
the 20 miles of power cabling required for the Tunnel Boring Machine
to operate would not work well for an SUV.
:)
-Cameron
On 1/8/07, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The technology is there, and has been for years.
> > > What about those of us who have these big gas guzzling trucks/SUV
> > because we
> > > need them?
> > >
> > > Bruce
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Mary Jo Sminkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Mo
The technology is there, and has been for years. Most heavy equipment used
in mines and places like have been hybrids for a while.
> -Original Message-
> From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Keep using them. The reality is that eventually the fuels
> technologies going i
On 1/8/07, Mary Jo Sminkey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's a big difference in our country versus others. The efficiency
> requirements in other countries demand that the cars be more fuel
> efficient. Not so here.
The biggest difference is (over)regulation vs free markets. In the
US, as pric
The hybrid highlander with the tow group would run about 36k, which is about
10k more than my escape v6 limited. That is more than just being able to
care about the environment. If I compare them similarly equipped it is about
13k more.
I would love be able to pay the extra 10k-13k, but I can't af
e:
> > What about those of us who have these big gas guzzling trucks/SUV
> because we
> > need them?
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mary Jo Sminkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 7:10 AM
&g
On 1/8/07, Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What about those of us who have these big gas guzzling trucks/SUV because we
> need them?
Keep using them. The reality is that eventually the fuels
technologies going into smaller hybrids and cars that use alternate
fuels will make it's way into
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> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 7:10 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: so...there's no such thing as global warming?
>
> >And that's perfectly fine - those with
> >the means should, without guilt, spend their money however they like.
>
> But this is a
What about those of us who have these big gas guzzling trucks/SUV because we
need them?
Bruce
-Original Message-
From: Mary Jo Sminkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 7:10 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: so...there's no such thing as global warming?
>The hybrid is more expensive, a fair bit more, after doing the math, it
>would take 6 or 7 years to make up the difference in the hybrid in the cost
>of gas, and that was based on $3.00 a gallon for gas.
Right...people don't look at the environmental effects of having a hybrid, just
what it mean
>I think this really represents the crux of the problem. Convincing
>everyone on the planet to reduce their usage. Reducing the power
>consumption incandescent lights generate by the 5% they represent will
>require 100% participation, and that's just for a 5% improvement!
Even still, if more of
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> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 10:10 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: so...there's no such thing as global warming?
>
> But this is a big part of the problem. People that *do* have the means
> to make a difference don't bother, because they spend th
>And that's perfectly fine - those with
>the means should, without guilt, spend their money however they like.
But this is a big part of the problem. People that *do* have the means to make
a difference don't bother, because they spend their money "however they like"
regardless of the environm
This is a big part of what I'm talking about. I turn my lights off, and I
use compact fluorescents in some places, but not all, as most of my lights
have dimmer switches or are on motion detectors so the fluorescents can't be
used there. My personal concern is on the cost, I'd rather pay less on my
On 1/8/07, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You are in fact not saying "There's no way!" You're saying "There's no way
> that I'll accept."
I think this really represents the crux of the problem. Convincing
everyone on the planet to reduce their usage. Reducing the power
consumption incan
> -Original Message-
> From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 9:17 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: so...there's no such thing as global warming?
>
> Sure, some of these things work for some people. But I couldn't
Here's some unscientific proof of global warming:
http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/01/05/friday-humor-unscientific-proof-of-global-warming/
On 1/5/07, Ray Champagne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Then why the frock is it 60 degrees here today, with more of the same on the
> way for the weekend?
>
ngs around.
In the last insurance tests, none of those smaller more fuel efficient cars
got a good safety rating.
> -Original Message-
> From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 2:21 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: so...there's n
iginal Message-
> From: Mary Jo Sminkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 11:53 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: so...there's no such thing as global warming?
>
> Ours is one of the richest nations in the world, and you're going to
> us
Global Warming is NOT something you and I can perceive... The average
global temperature has increased by only 0.6 degrees over the last 150 years
and I know you can't feel that!
While small temperature changes like this can cause large shifts in weather,
un-seasonable warm or cold weather for a
> > On 1/7/07, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > OK, but how? We need to heat our homes and power our lights.
This isn't an issue of cold homes and no lights - that's just a straw man.
We know how to cut back, dammit. We just don't.
+) Replace your lightbulbs with compact fluoresc
>OK, but how? We need to heat our homes and power our lights. We may be
>the worst contributor, but until we have a better way to do these things
>that doesn't break the bank, we are going to be in the same situation.
Ours is one of the richest nations in the world, and you're going to use the
ex
i'd settle for cars that run on little white lies... the world would never
run out of energy.
On 1/7/07, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> What we need are cars that run on political bullshit and corruption.
>
> -Cameron
>
> On 1/7/07, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > that
What we need are cars that run on political bullshit and corruption.
-Cameron
On 1/7/07, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> that isn't a solution for everyone. the problem is scale. we need a solution
> that works for 100 million households, and that's just this country. what
> about vehicl
that isn't a solution for everyone. the problem is scale. we need a solution
that works for 100 million households, and that's just this country. what
about vehicles? until we solve the issue of vehicle fuel, we're stuck.
On 1/7/07, Erika Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Well, wood/coal
Well, wood/coal burning stoves? dont keep the heat set above 66-68.
Keep the lights off you dont need?
Some people, especially those that live in places where heat and hot water
are included in their rent, abuse those resources because they dont have to
pay for them.
I mean there's ways to c
OK, but how? We need to heat our homes and power our lights. We may be
the worst contributor, but until we have a better way to do these things
that doesn't break the bank, we are going to be in the same situation.
They are making good steps in some areas, more and more cars are getting
more fuel
>You can convince everyone in the world that we're the sole cause of global
>warming, but unless you have an alternative solution to the world's energy
>needs, no one is going to listen.
You do realize that of industrialized countries, the US is one of the worst
contributors yet is on the low end
> Doogie wrote:
> I still believe the magnetic poles of the earth are shifting
I buy that, but the rest of the stuff ... I dunno ...
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I still believe the magnetic poles of the earth are shifting at such a rate
that this is causing pockets/gaps to take place which are taken as global
warming but in effect are just the natural affect of this process happening.
No one else believes in this theory but hey, I'm going to keep on rockin
> RoMunn wrote:
> So we're headed for an ice age? And here I thought the planet was getting
> warmer.
>
My theory has always been ... and let me take this opportunity to note
that I am NOT a scientist ...
Earth's climate is just a closed system in equilibrium. Global
Warming, if it operates by e
So we're headed for an ice age? And here I thought the planet was getting
warmer.
On 1/5/07, Erika Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> sure, until you cant surf anymore because the ocean turned to ice. then
> we'll see if you care ..
>
> /me runs
>
> On 1/5/07, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTE
But there are no models that predict a reversal in this type of time frame.
Normally, these things take eons, not years.
On 1/5/07, Russel Madere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I don't doubt global warming, I doubt the casue is greenhouse gasses. I
> think we are seeing the start of a pole rever
I don't doubt global warming, I doubt the casue is greenhouse gasses. I think
we are seeing the start of a pole reversal. The scientific evidence indicates
that a pole reversal and the FSM are both as likely causes of global warming as
greenhouse gasses.
>Then why the frock is it 60 degrees h
> cRay wrote:
> It's been unseasonably warm for the past 5+ winters around here.
Here's what a local weather dude says about MN:
Stephanie Holeve writes, "Is there any way to predict how many more
years we can expect unusually warm winters? Is there a possibility
that this is a permanent phenomen
sure, until you cant surf anymore because the ocean turned to ice. then
we'll see if you care ..
/me runs
On 1/5/07, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Oh who freaking cares? Global warming is not something that keeps me up at
> night.
>
>
>
ct: Re: so...there's no such thing as global warming?
>
> >Those changes occurred as part of the natural warming and cooling
> >cycles of the planet.
> >
> >Not one scientist denies that there IS a natural warming and cooling
> cycle.
>
> True and there certa
These guys (UCS) are a radical left-wing group formed to protest the
Vietnam war.
http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/145
UCS continues to involve itself in issues where scientific
credentials carry little weight. For example, the group opposes urban
sprawl, disputes a
>Those changes occurred as part of the natural warming and cooling
>cycles of the planet.
>
>Not one scientist denies that there IS a natural warming and cooling cycle.
True and there certainly have been spikes as well in the past as well, but from
things like meteors and super volcano eruptions.
> Solar Flares?
a minor contribution, and even that is being generous.
--
will
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and that would just be unacceptable."
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Solar Flares?
On 1/5/07, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Has there ever been a change as quick in the entire history of the world?
> (That wasn't occassioned by a meteor strike or a huge volcanic erruption?)
>
> The answer is no.
>
> So, in the history of the world, the temperature has
Oh who freaking cares? Global warming is not something that keeps me up at
night.
Unless as a species we suddenly decide to stop all activity that potentially
contributes to global warming, we're stuck with its effects for the short
term. In the long term, we need to stop using internal combustion
C/HHQ/HUD)
Subject: RE: so...there's no such thing as global warming?
Tree hugger hippie!
*dumps Glycol into storm drain*
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 12:09 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Sub
Tree hugger hippie!
*dumps Glycol into storm drain*
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 12:09 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: so...there's no such thing as global warming?
>
> As far
>Larger swings, and different temperatures (and different changes) depending
>on where on Earth you are. But only about a 2 degree actual change overall.
>
Exactly, global warming mean that there is going to be a lot more extremes,
hotter days in January, possibly very cold days as well.
However
> Ha - watch, next week, we'll get blasted with CO-like snow and Canada-like
> wind and ice, and blasts of cold. =)
Heh! Its about the same weather right now on Canada's East cost.
Its unseasonably warm here too - temps this week were 9C-17C (49F-65F) way
to warm for this part of the country for
As far as global warming goes, we know that were polluting the planet..
so why not err on the side of caution, and attempt to undo the damage
we've done?
I believe that the planet, like any living thing will attempt to defend
itself, quite possibly at the human race's extreme detrement
Scott A.
> Ohio and Pennsylvania? Uh, them ain't southern.
Maybe it's a regional thing...
out here in Washington State, "Back East" is anything east of Idaho.
also, there's "The Northwest" which includes Washington, Idaho and
Oregon, and "The Rest" which includes everything else.
--
will
"If my life w
>From here, part of Canada is southern.
On 1/5/07, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Ohio and Pennsylvania? Uh, them ain't southern.
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 11:40 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: so...there's no such thing as global warming?
>
> No, Ray, we
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> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 11:36 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: so...there's no such thing as global warming?
>
> I believe they can get temperature ranges by taking polar ice core
> samples
>
> Sco
> I believe they can get temperature ranges by taking polar ice core samples
Yup 400,000 + years in Antarctica
and 150,000 ish in Greenland, with the last ~20K being specifically
dateable to the year, rather than the millenia.
--
will
"If my life weren't funny, it would just be true;
and that
> So just out of curiosity, how do we explain the temperature changes that
> occurred before we got here, and the other ice ages and the times when the
> ice melted.
Those changes occurred as part of the natural warming and cooling
cycles of the planet.
Not one scientist denies that there IS a na
One 'o them big states below us - they're all the same.
> -Original Message-
> From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 11:40 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: so...there's no such thing as global warming?
> Impo
on the location thing.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 11:31 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: so...there's no such thing as global warming?
> > Importance: High
> &g
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Subject: RE: so...there's no such thing as global warming?
I wasn't aware of temperature recordings from 1 million years ago. Maybe
sense we have reasonable scientific methods of gathering and recording
temperatures, but I don't see how you can make a
Oh. My bad on the location thing.
> -Original Message-
> From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 11:31 AM
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They have very detailed records of temperatures going back ages and ages.
For example, from ice-core samples from Greenland and Antarctica.
I thikn they have gone back more than 4 million years in Antartica, at
least.
On 1/5/07, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I wasn't aware of tempe
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> You say "we" like you and I have the same temp trends. Aren't you in
> NC or
> something? Usually, by now, we would be well below freezing around
> here -
> on ave
I wasn't aware of temperature recordings from 1 million years ago.
I guess that depends on what you make of the science of using ice cores and
other techniques that satisfy many scientists of what the temperatures where
like long ago.
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> From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 11:25 AM
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m: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 11:18 AM
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> Has there ever been a change as quick in the entire history of the
> world?
> (That wasn't oc
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