Since they are two different products, I'd rather see CFMX in schools.
- Calvin
-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 10:38 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
I'll just throw in my .02 and say I
It's not big deal. I didn't mind his comments at all. I was definitely
asking for it with my smart-ass 'this in not your blog' post. So yeah,
no harm, no foul.
-Adam
On 5/5/05, Sean Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 5/5/05, Alex Sherwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
it was not a baseless ad-
Dave (am I going to say this out loud)has some good points on CF and
missing the education boat ;-)
I think im gunna frame that, if I send it to you will ya autograph it 4
me?? haha
Only if you promise not to auction it off on eBay ;-)
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP Director of E-Commerce
-
-Original Message-
From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: vrijdag 6 mei 2005 15:32
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
It's not big deal. I didn't mind his comments
, 2005 10:52 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
Nofi, but could we end this useless discussion? Some people keep whining
/ overreacting about the smallest things on and on. People sometimes say
things that are wrong, it happens, move on, smile and continue the
discussion
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
Dave,
*I hope one of the things Adobe does with cfm is to license its use in
schools and such for free and use its deep photoshop roots to entrench it
in
a lot of these designer programs.
*
That's one of the things that I have campaigned
06, 2005 10:52 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
Nofi, but could we end this useless discussion? Some people keep whining
/ overreacting about the smallest things on and on. People sometimes say
things that are wrong, it happens, move on, smile and continue
resistance impact=futile post-type=obvious
But my doctor gave me that lotion... he said it would be working already!!
/resistance
Oh well...
J
On 5/6/05, Ewok [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
obvious post
I think what you are saying is wrong and is a blatant attempt to demean or
upset me!
:p
, May 03, 2005 9:39 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
Dave,
*I hope one of the things Adobe does with cfm is to license its use in
schools and such for free and use its deep photoshop roots to entrench it
in
a lot
But C# and Java are taught in the area of desktop application
development. Colleges do not do enough to teach web application
development, which is where ColdFusion would be a useful medium. I
don't have any exact numbers, but I can only imagine that more web
applications are being developed than
:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 9:55 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
But C# and Java are taught in the area of desktop application
development. Colleges do not do enough to teach web application
development, which is where ColdFusion would be a useful
-Original Message-
From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 9:55 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
But C# and Java are taught in the area of desktop application
development. Colleges do not do enough to teach web
: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 9:55 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
But C# and Java are taught in the area of desktop application
development. Colleges do not do enough to teach web application
development, which is where ColdFusion
I worked with fresh CS students, [and] they were not equipped to
develop web applications as someone who had been using CF for a few
years.
Agreed - but that's true for any job. Experience usually trumps knowledge.
But consider how many people who have been using CF for a few years, with no
CS
I thought he said that the majority of new corporate apps are going to be
web apps...
I could agree with that prediction.
-Original Message-
From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 10:56 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite
On 5/5/05, Adrocknaphobia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm just saying that in the
many times I worked with fresh CS students, they were not equipped to
develop web applications as someone who had been using CF for a few
years.
My experience is that most CS students aren't equipped to build *any*
agADave Watts wrote:
Get the shit out of your eyes, you simpleton.
While this wasn't directed at me, this kind of response really isn't called
for. Personally, when I want to insult someone on a mailing list, I try to
reach for the rapier rather than the cudgel, if you know what I mean.
: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
agADave Watts wrote:
Get the shit out of your eyes, you simpleton.
While this wasn't directed at me, this kind of response really isn't called
for. Personally, when I want to insult someone on a mailing list, I try to
reach for the rapier rather than
reason to start throwing
around profanity and insulting people on a list intended for a group of
professionals.
-Original Message-
From: Alex Sherwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 11:33 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
agADave Watts
On 5/5/05, Alex Sherwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
it was not a baseless ad- hoymnum attack.
Sure it was. It was crude, insulting and completely inappropriate to
this list (or indeed any list that is supposed to be a professional
technical list).
Your continued rants and unpleasantness merely
]
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 4:43 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
On 5/5/05, Alex Sherwood wrote:
it was not a baseless ad- hoymnum attack.
Sure it was. It was crude, insulting and completely inappropriate to
this list (or indeed any list
save your conspiracy theories for m$ ;) haha
From: Alex Sherwood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 12:47 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
This was also after Adrocknaphobia said
Sean Corfield wrote:
On 5/5/05, Alex Sherwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
it was not a baseless ad- hoymnum attack.
Sure it was. It was crude, insulting and completely inappropriate to
this list (or indeed any list that is supposed to be a professional
technical list).
Your continued
of XP and the move to OS X, I
am back to my regular goofy self.
From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 4:36 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
aggghhh
Dave the disruptor
LMFAO!!!
thats a CLASSIC!! haha
Gunna use that as my sig :)
Glad you like itI think I'm about to be labelled...Bryan the Open
Source Basher given my MySQL help thread that has run amok!!
Cheers
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
Dave the disruptor
LMFAO!!!
thats a CLASSIC!! haha
Gunna use that as my sig :)
Glad you like itI think I'm about to be labelled...Bryan the Open
Source Basher given my MySQL help thread that has run
: Jared Rypka-Hauer - CMG, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 1:05 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
Maybe that was my problem... ;) I thought the WACK was a code dictionary.
Hehe...
Really Ben, I don't think you'll ever
]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 11:26 AM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
why CF doesn't have a chance in educations. For CF there are specific
trainings, and training centers, hence the Macromedia Certified Trainer
status.
MichaCF
~
From: Massimo Foti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 4:20 AM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
It's funny Massimo, you more than anything got me into moving to cfm :)
See, now people will consider
for Adobe to make a run, lets hope they do it right.
~Dave the disruptor~
From: Rick Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 9:39 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
Dave,
*I hope one
This thread is over.
Woo Hoo!
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Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
Calvin,
In a word yes. I think ColdFusion offers a better introduction to
programming than PHP.
Even Adobe can't go toe to toe with Microsoft in marketing CF to
corporations. Macromedia always said that CF was a bottom up product.
Well
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
I don't know Bryan, seems fairly simple too me
Wasn't saying anything about any kind of programming class, courses, studies,
none, zero, ziltch!!!
I was saying to use the basics of simple human
~
From: Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 10:40 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
I'll just throw in my .02 and say I believe Dave ( The Disruptor )
is correct.
But, I wonder why, since BlueDragon *is* free
I disagree, in the least because the job opportunities for C, C++, C#
and Java are much and much larger than those for CF developers.
Second, with C# or Java you learn to work with true OOP in a much more
advanced environment then CF will ever be. If you for example look at
protection levels for
of your head?
seriously dude
From: Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 2:34 AM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: RE: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
I disagree, in the least because the job opportunities for C
Easy dave, take a nip of your water ... breathe in ... breathe out ;)
Nobody is attacking anyone.
If you would suggest that CF should be part of teaching in schools, on
which education would you like to see it? Cooking? DTP? neither of them
have anything to do with programming except setting up
: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
[snip]
Like I said, we have specific educations here, so proof me wrong. We don't
have university classes for PHP, Java, CF, C#, .. what we do have are
educations for Computer Sciences where they teach students how to manage,
setup and complete a software project
Thank you, but do other people think CF would fit in the unit as a true
education?
Micha Schopman
Project Manager
Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort
Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388
KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380
Probably not, and neither would PHP.
-Original Message-
From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 4 May 2005 3:37
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
Thank you, but do other people think CF would fit in the unit as a true
education
PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 3:23 AM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: RE: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
Easy dave, take a nip of your water ... breathe in ... breathe out ;)
Nobody is attacking anyone.
If you would suggest that CF should be part of teaching
: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 3:40 AM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: RE: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
Probably not, and neither would PHP.
-Original Message-
From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 4 May 2005 3:37
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX
Thank you, but do other people think CF would fit in the unit as a true
education?
I have some very personal opinions on this.
While I really love CF, I would not use CFML to teach programming in
schools; for similar reasons I would not use Perl either. I would pick
something like Python or
: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 3:57 AM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
Thank you, but do other people think CF would fit in the unit as a true
education?
I have some very personal opinions on this.
While I really love CF, I would not use CFML
It's funny Massimo, you more than anything got me into moving to cfm :)
See, now people will consider me guilty for having you here, stirring
trooubles on the list :-))
thanks!
I guess the ladies argument played a major role here :-)
And I hear what you are saying but it's still not
Because... it's not a true development language?
-Original Message-
From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 3:37 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
Thank you, but do other people think CF would fit in the unit as a true
I have some very personal opinions on this.
While I really love CF, I would not use CFML to teach
programming in schools; for similar reasons I would not use
Perl either. I would pick something like Python or Ruby, then
move to Java or C#.
I often tell people that CFML is a great
Because... it's not a true development language?
No, because it's not a general-purpose programming language. It's designed
to do one thing, and one thing only - write web applications. It's extremely
good for this, of course, but an introduction to programming shouldn't focus
on one niche.
What makes any of this a true education?
I have 3 medical degrees, do you really think to me this
stuff would make an education?
I don't see how that's relevant, exactly, but any profession has basic
foundational knowledge that is really required for a full understanding of
the profession.
Micha,
With all due respect I wasn't advocating if you read my message that they
only learn CFML.
Most of the university students in Michigan leave knowing several
languages, of course they should know c# and java if they're to become
employable.
I remain unconvinced that learning CF first
This may not be a popular statemant, but the preception should be
blamed squarely on CF developers. Being that CF is so easy to get
into, I've seen my share of horrible buggy apps written by novices...
which is usually just blamed on CF as whole.
-Adam
Yep...you're bang on there Adam. I'm
You mean that's not OK??
lol, yeah how many times have we all had to go back over things that
were done by someone who just picked up a copy of the WACK and went to
town. Hell, I'm sure I caused some problems for other developers back in
the day when I was just getting started with version 3.
why CF doesn't have a chance in educations. For CF there are specific
trainings, and training centers, hence the Macromedia Certified Trainer
status.
MichaCF is taught elsewherelike by me (not MM certified and never
will be) to folks getting re-educated for a new career.
.and
someone who just picked up a copy of the WACK and went to town
Oh nice, so now *I'm* going to get blamed. ;-)
-Original Message-
From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 11:22 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
You
and FlashLite?
someone who just picked up a copy of the WACK and went to town
Oh nice, so now *I'm* going to get blamed. ;-)
-Original Message-
From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 11:22 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite
-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
.and remember Micha...not all education happens at the university
levelthere are tech schools (no I won't debate the
quality of these
places) and colleges. These places spit out an awful lot of
as
people read the entire thing as they are supposed to.
-Original Message-
From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 4 May 2005 11:26
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
someone who just picked up a copy of the WACK and went to town
Oh
rather good for best practices etc - as long
as
people read the entire thing as they are supposed to.
-Original Message-
From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 4 May 2005 11:26
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
someone who just
Effectively, you seem to be saying that education establishments should be
teaching CF instead of PHP?
-Original Message-
From: Rick Mason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:47 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
Micha,
With all due
Get the shit out of your eyes, you simpleton.
While this wasn't directed at me, this kind of response really isn't called
for. Personally, when I want to insult someone on a mailing list, I try to
reach for the rapier rather than the cudgel, if you know what I mean.
I did not say that I
On 5/4/05, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
People seem to be in the habit of comparing Macromedia's stewardship of CF
to the good ol' days of Allaire. Well, Allaire had how many products?
One,
really, unless you count Allaire Forums and Spectra - both of which were
handled poorly, in
establishments should be
teaching CF instead of PHP?
-Original Message-
From: Rick Mason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:47 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
Micha,
With all due respect I wasn't advocating if you read my message
aggghhh!
Doesn't anybody but me get what dave (not Dave W.) is saying!!!
It's not that CFM should be taught as the first langauge.just simply
that it should be shown to students as an option.
Today in class boys and girls we are going to have a look at CFML, PHP, and
ASP
someone who just picked up a copy of the WACK and went to town
Oh nice, so now *I'm* going to get blamed. ;-)
LOL...I was waiting for that one ;-)
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell:
Why should CF be used as an option in a Computer Science curriculum over
such languages as Java or C#?
There is no reason at all. Beginning students do start out with procedural
programming, just to learn the basics - primitive datatypes (int, float,
char, string) and operators. They learn how
-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
It's not that CFM should be taught as the first langauge.
just simply that it should be shown to students as an option.
I think I've mentioned it here in the past, the local community college
here has a web
There's that 'real' thing again.
-Original Message-
From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 5:59 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
It's
up for the previous month(s)
and even after.
I visit macromedia.com a lot, as I use Flash, Dreamweaver, Fireworks as well
as ColdFusion.
- Calvin
-Original Message-
From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 7:22 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed
Well put. A rotating banner on MM's site is probably the least
effective marketing they could have for CF. Does everyone already
forget the grueling world tour they sent Ben on before the release of
7. I don't think I've ever seen a tour like that for any other MM
product before.
The sky isn't
Sean Corfield wrote:
On 5/2/05, Alex Sherwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When CFMX7 was launched, I queried as to why the only marketing on MM's
site was a small picture and some text in the center Products column.
I just spoke with the web producer responsible for managing
Get the shit out of your eyes, you simpleton.
I did not say that I thought CF would die. On the contrary, I stated
that I believed the MM would still invest time and resources into CFMX.
After spending tons of $$$ on a WORLD TOUR, why the hell would
Macromedia NOT highlight the release on
You're good with the dramatics! *Danger*..ON NO! Give me a break!
Hide! Put away your wireless keyboards!
--
Sean wrote:
note type=purely personal
I get pretty ticked off by certain CFers feeling slighted every time
that Flash or Breeze or whatever gets a mention but CF is not
Alex,
You have further proved my original point with your incessant rants.
This is not your blog. No one cares. It is such a minor issue, it's
not worth taking about... yet again. This entire subject was covered
in depth on release day. Search the archives and find solace that you
are not the
Honestly Alex...do you think banner ads are what sell CF...if so...think
again ;-)
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: www.electricedgesystems.com
!
From: Alex Sherwood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 9:34 AM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
Sean Corfield wrote:
On 5/2/05, Alex Sherwood wrote:
When CFMX7 was launched, I queried as to why the only marketing
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tue 5/3/2005 8:08 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
Honestly Alex...do you think banner ads are what sell CF...if so...think
again ;-)
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP Director of E
Why does everyone assume this? I never ever stated directly or
indirectly that a lack of a banner at MM.com for CFMX7 would hurt sales.
I was only commenting on why MM *wouldn't* devote more than a small
speedometer graphic to the launch of their premier application server
product. That's all.
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
Alex says:
I was referring to a product CREATED BY Macromedia
Holy shit!!! MM created coldfusion Damn and to think they been telling
us all these years that they bought it from Alaire, I can't believe I fell
for their lies!!
Oh wait, I
this with arguments.
Micha
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tue 5/3/2005 8:08 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
Honestly Alex...do you think banner ads are what sell CF...if so...think
again ;-)
Bryan Stevenson
Careful, Ben, you run the risk of being called a simpleton.
-Original Message-
From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 2:46 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
I know I should not respond to this thread, I know I should
Hi Ben,
I value your opinion, so I'm glad to see that you at least agree with
me in principal.
Also, you'll notice that I just referenced launch week - not *permanent*
space at the top of MM's front page. And, not even 100% of the space at
the top - just a space in the rotation of the banner
That tears it. If Macromedia wasn't dissing ColdFusion, Ben would
have posted sooner.
Glad I stocked up on canned goods and had that extra freezer put in.
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If you can afford gas, you're not a CF developer :(
-Original Message-
From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 3:06 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
.and gas for the generator
: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 1:43 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
To turn this already highly flamable thread into something more usefull,
how do people think CF should grow, do you think it needs more
attention? Does
If you want to hear some complaining about lack of love from MM,
subscribe to a Director list.
Woe is them!
On 5/3/05, Ben Forta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dedicated DW
users feel that DW does not get enough banner space, just like dedicated CF
users feel that CF does not get enough banner
Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 2:13 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
If you can afford gas, you're not a CF developer :(
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-Original Message-
From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 3:48 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
Matt,
I think you are correct
-Original Message-
From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 2:48 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
Matt,
I think you are correct about your old boss. He was most likely
referring to a certification and accreditation process
,
the
Navy is using CF on both public and secure sites (and even on local
networks
running on ships!).
--- Ben
-Original Message-
From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 3:48 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
Matt,
I think
On 5/3/05, Matt Osbun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The thread (kinda) started out on marketing CF, and in my experience,
this has always been a glaring weakness in how CF is perceived.
And, just for the record, does anyone think that adding a rotating ad
banner to the home page of macromedia.com
Depending on the marketing push, it could.
So, when are MM going to hire some freelance writers to write some
pro-CF pro-CF-security articles for InfoWeek et al?
--
Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014
#include
is using CF on both public and secure sites (and even on local networks
running on ships!).
--- Ben
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From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 3:48 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
Matt,
I think you
And, just for the record, does anyone think that adding a rotating ad
banner to the home page of macromedia.com would do anything to change
that perception (about security)?
cf_sarcasm
Of course it would SeanI mean everybody knows that banner ads are to
be trusted beyond your own
what Ben and the
MM crew told us when they did a visit during the Blackstone evangelism tour
last year.
John
From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tue 5/3/2005 3:47 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
Matt,
I think
: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
On 5/3/05, Matt Osbun wrote:
The thread (kinda) started out on marketing CF, and in my experience,
this has always been a glaring weakness in how CF is perceived.
And, just for the record, does anyone think that adding a rotating ad
banner to the home page
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From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 2:48 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
Matt,
I think you are correct about your old boss. He was most likely
referring to a certification
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Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 4:46 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
On 5/3/05, Matt Osbun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The thread (kinda) started out on marketing CF, and in my experience,
this has always been a glaring weakness in how CF
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Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
And, just for the record, does anyone think that adding a rotating ad
banner to the home page of macromedia.com would do anything to change
that perception (about
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