Douglas Knudsen wrote:
> enterprise buyers, eh? Looking at enterprise software, Flex is not
> that expensive really. I mean, take a gander at the cost of Websphere
> or Lotus Domino or Seibel.
We're considering building a reporting application using Flex and
Coldfusion, building internally...
I wouldn't say you HAVE to learn AS 2 to use flex. It's extremely helpful,
however you can use it without coding any AS 2. If you're interested in
seperating business logic from the rest of your applications, Flex supports
invoking remote functionality not only encapsulated in compiled Flash,
"digital rights management" for installations on x number of machines or
> something...
>
>
>
> Rick
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 7:48 AM
>
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> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 7:48 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Blackstone to provide built-in "Flash Remoting" type
> capabilities?
>
>
> Rick Faircloth wrote:
> >
> > I just had a loo
Rick Faircloth wrote:
> I just answered my own question about Flex pricing...$12,000...yikes!
> That much just for developing RIA's?
BIG ria's, in particular.
Jeff Tappan suggested in one of his sessions that he quotes jobs both
ways... one large rich internet application developed in the Fl
Stacy Young wrote:
> Unless you have flash skills to leverage already I'd suggest holding off
> until other technologies start becoming more accessible. (flex or
> otherwise)
I don't know if I would agree with that entirely. I had never used
Flash before taking the 1 day pre-conference training
Rick Faircloth wrote:
>
> I just had a look at Flex and Flex "Explorer" demo...looks intriguing.
> And the coding is pretty straight-forward.
>
> Any idea what kind of price Flex has (or will have?)
$12,000 is the list price I believe
And, you'll still pretty much have to learn Actionscript
00x more
>> productive and intuitive. Perhaps my opinion would be different if I
>> were already a flash wizard...
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Stace
> >
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>&
Sunday, November 14, 2004 10:02 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Blackstone to provide built-in "Flash Remoting" type
> capabilities?
>
>
> Unless you have flash skills to leverage already I'd suggest
> holding off
> until o
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 10:02 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Blackstone to provide built-in "Flash Remoting" type
> capabilities?
>
>
> Unless you have flash skills to leverage already I'd suggest
> holding off
>
cy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 10:02 PM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: RE: Blackstone to provide built-in "Flash Remoting" type
>> capabilities?
>>
>>
>> Unless you have flash
gt; From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 10:02 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Blackstone to provide built-in "Flash Remoting" type
> capabilities?
>
>
> Unless you have flash skills to
more
productive and intuitive. Perhaps my opinion would be different if I
were already a flash wizard...
Cheers,
Stace
-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 1:38 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Blackstone to provide built-in "Flas
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 9:03 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Blackstone to provide built-in "Flash Remoting" type
> capabilities?
>
>
> Rick Faircloth wrote:
> >
> > I was just curious to see what people are actual
Rick Faircloth wrote:
>
> I was just curious to see what people are actually putting to work
> in "real world" situations, not just the MM demos...I've seen only a few
> working Flash RIA apps so far (all those coming from MM's gallery)
> and was wondering if people had deployed the design / progr
Rick Faircloth wrote:
>
> I was just curious to see what people are actually putting to work
> in "real world" situations, not just the MM demos...I've seen only a few
> working Flash RIA apps so far (all those coming from MM's gallery)
> and was wondering if people had deployed the design / progr
Pearson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 8:45 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Blackstone to provide built-in "Flash Remoting" type
> capabilities?
>
>
> At 09:56 PM 11/11/2004, you wrote:
> >Hey,
ctivity may save the app for me...but that's the only
>compelling feature...
>
>Rick
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 9:28 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> >
ience mostly that brings in the money...
>
>
>
> Rick
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 8:57 AM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: Re: Blackstone to provide bu
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> From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 8:57 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Blackstone to provide built-in "Flash Remoting" type
> capabilities?
>
>
> Rick F
Mine, too...
Rick
> -Original Message-
> From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 8:59 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Blackstone to provide built-in "Flash Remoting" type
> capabilities?
dave wrote:
> only 6 hrs worth of work ;)
your clients pay better than mine =)
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Rick Faircloth wrote:
>
> Let me ask you...what feature in all the versions after 4.5 has
> really changed the product that you create? Not *how* you create it,
> but what the client actually uses?
Since most everything in coldfusion generates plain ol' HTML you're not
going to see a lot of stu
only 6 hrs worth of work ;)
-- Original Message --
From: "Rick Faircloth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 06:51:51 -0500
>I saw the feature list...definitely pro is the way to go for data
>connectivity.
>
>Yeah...$10
t; >Thanks for the link, I'll check out the tutorials.
> >
> >What other part of the Pro version of Flash MX 2004 do you
> >find so useful?
> >
> >Rick
> >
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >
rt of the Pro version of Flash MX 2004 do you
>find so useful?
>
>Rick
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 10:21 PM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: RE: Blackstone to provide bui
find so useful?
Rick
> -Original Message-
> From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 10:21 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Blackstone to provide built-in "Flash Remoting" type
> capabilities?
>
>
tical, but $600 ($700 when not on sale) for that?
>
>The Data Connectivity may save the app for me...but that's the only
>compelling feature...
>
>Rick
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Th
ctivity may save the app for me...but that's the only
compelling feature...
Rick
> -Original Message-
> From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 9:28 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Blackstone to provide built-in &
Yeah yeah!! and not to mention the at least 12+ books (full library now!)
misc swag, shirts, friends, contacts, bs and then there are the MM pens, THEY
RULE!
seriously, my fav pens, lol
in ky they gave them away but here u gotta win them grrr
now if i can only get u (ben) to pay my medica
7;t you want
to sell your extra copy to me for $100?
> -Original Message-
> From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 8:44 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Blackstone to provide built-in "Flash
>> see it pays to go to your local cfug meetings!
Yeah! You tell 'em!!
-Original Message-
From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 8:44 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Blackstone to provide built-in "Flash Remoting" type
capabiliti
t;Sole proprietor here...
>
>Rick
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 3:09 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: Re: Blackstone to provide built-in "Flash
11, 2004 3:09 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Blackstone to provide built-in "Flash Remoting" type
> capabilities?
>
>
> Rick Faircloth wrote:
> >
> > But I've always been really interested in developing Rich Inter
Certainly MX made my end products more stable. A big plus for our users.
Unicode support makes it far easier to provide decent support for i18n/l10n
challenges. A great selling point for the "off the shelf" products that I
develop.
Both of these things affect my end product and have nothing to do
> I see all the talk about CFC's and have some idea of what
> they are, but they're still just means to the same
> end...right? An HTML interface with the same old forms and
> refreshes to update data. Maybe I'm seeing all this
> wrong...besides seeking solutions to problems, trying to see
>
ersions that
has revolutionized your end product and not just your development process?
Rick
> -Original Message-
> From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 3:12 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: R
However, the "Get Ready For Blackstone" pre-conference training session
was under NDA... although they didn't make us SIGN anything, they did
tell us it was under NDA and they didn't want us discussing anything
that was talked about in there specific to Blackstone.
- Rick
Ah, I didn't get a
I believe I'm safe here because this was openly discussed at MAX.
Flash Forms are just one option of the new form functionality in Blackstone. I
see it as kind of the "Easy" option. With just a few parameters you can create
a very nice multi-page form without JavaScript, ActionScript or Flash.
We are stuck on 5.0 here and really not much of what is done uses
anything specific to 5.0 At least when Blackstone comes out we will
go up to MX, the joys of working for a big company whose policy
appears to be to always run one version old of software.
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:12:10 -0500, Adroc
Dude, you are still using 4.5 because you don't see any 'compelling
features' in recent versions?!?!?!?! You must be listening to this
email from a text-to-speech engine, only the blind could claim not to
see any compelling features since 4.5.
-Adam
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:53:14 -0500, Rick Faircl
Rick Faircloth wrote:
>
> But I've always been really interested in developing Rich Internet
> Applications, however, I hate working in Flash...
I hate the Flash Timeline. Therefore, I don't use it :) Everytime I
tried to learn Flash before this whole RIA thing, I got stuck trying to
figure o
Um, I think I may be violating some rule if I say "soon" this time, so for
now it is "can't say, sorry". :-)
-Original Message-
From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 2:59 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Re: Blackstone
Ben,
So when can we expect this functionality?
All together now "Soon". :-)
John
-Original Message-
From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 2:44 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Re: Blackstone to provide built-in
I have already ans
Rick Faircloth wrote:
> I'm still developing...pretty much routine stuff.
>
> But I've always been really interested in developing Rich Internet
> Applications,
> however, I hate working in Flash...
Did you look into Flex? You get the RIA without the animation, and can
have CF run the back-end.
stone to provide built-in
In response to the question, I didn't hear anything about "remoting"
being built into the forms. I did hear that Blackstone will be able to
generate forms automatically in Flash and thus provide some built in
variable checking and error messages and such be
rsday, November 11, 2004 2:33 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Blackstone to provide built-in "Flash Remoting" type
capabilities?
I'm still developing...pretty much routine stuff.
But I've always been really interested in developing Rich Internet
Applications, however, I hate work
hen the rest is just like a normal form. Maybe they're planning
something that I missed, but I didn't see anything about that.
John Burns
-Original Message-
From: Jeff Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 12:53 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Re: Black
just within Cold Fusion
server and CFML capabilities...
Rick
> -Original Message-
> From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 2:06 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Blackstone to provide built-in "Flash Remoti
Ian Skinner wrote:
>
> All the presentations on Blackstone I saw at MAX said we could discuss
> anything presented on "our own words." But we were not allowed any audio or
> video recording.
That was definately the case in the Cold Fusion Reporting session.
However, the "Get Ready For Blackst
Jeff Small wrote:
>>Am I understanding MM's description of Blackstone correctly,
>>especially the new, "Rich Forms"?
>>
>>Will Blackstone provide built-in "Flash-Remoting" type capability
>>without having to actually use Flash / Flash Remoting / ActionScript?
NDA was not mentioned during the confe
> as far as I know, you can discuss anything you saw at MAX if you didn't
> have to
> sign an NDA to see it. That said:
>
> 1. you might want to ask Macromedia for clarification
>
> 2. either way you should exercise good judgement and common sense before
> discussing anything that you feel may be
as far as I know, you can discuss anything you saw at MAX if you didn't have to
sign an NDA to see it. That said:
1. you might want to ask Macromedia for clarification
2. either way you should exercise good judgement and common sense before
discussing anything that you feel may be under NDA
~
Are we allowed to discuss what we saw at Max? I mean, we could answer this
question, but I'm not sure how much we're allowed to say.
All the presentations on Blackstone I saw at MAX said we could discuss anything
presented on "our own words." But we were not allowed any audio or video
recordi
nobody outside of Macromedia can discuss the underlying codebase when it comes
to new features. We can answer general questions regarding features that MM
employees have publicly talked about. So, yes, Flash forms are there. As you
could guess for yourself, Flash Remoting is still a part of t
> Am I understanding MM's description of Blackstone correctly,
> especially the new, "Rich Forms"?
>
> Will Blackstone provide built-in "Flash-Remoting" type capability
> without having to actually use Flash / Flash Remoting / ActionScript?
>
> I'm still still using CF 4.5.2, because I haven't foun
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