In my opinion, I think it all depends on just how much you like doing IT
stuff, regardless of what you're doing (System Admin, Network Admin, etc.).
Personally, I love doing IT and would prefer the CCIE over an MBA, even if
the salary isn't great right now. Sure it's fun to complain about how
unde
I'd try the MBA or better yet a MS in CS. Then if market conditions change
you can always stop the MS route and get the CCIE. If they don't, then you
can get the CCIE afterwards. It's a better road with fewer bumps than going
down a single path. Also, you'll want to consider getting the MBA af
I was considering both options I have a MIS degree from The Ohio
State University. After getting my CCNP and working for a large ISP and
seeing a co-worker pass the lab and get nothing but a pat on the back from
our company; I made the decision to enroll in an MBA program this fall.
After carefull
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I was considering both options I have a MIS degree from The Ohio
State University. After getting my CCNP and working for a la
Sean Knox wrote:
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>
> I was actually heading towards my CCIE, but after getting my CCNP, I am
> content with that for now and and getting more experience (fortunately I am
> not some new wide-eyed kid in the field and have been doing this awhile).
> Congrats on your decision to pursue your MBA
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> I'd try the MBA or better yet a MS in CS. Then if market conditions
change
> you can always stop the MS route and get the CCIE. If they don't, then
you
> can get the CCIE afterwards. It's a better road w
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> >
> > I was actually heading towards my CCIE, but after getting my CCNP, I am
> > content with that for now and and getting more experience (fortunately I
am
> > not some new wide-eyed kid in the field
ought.
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cutting back everywhere.
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> Just some food for thought.
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>
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> >""Drew&qu
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I understand. But on the other hand, if you have ambitions to be the CxO, a
CCIE isn't going to cut it. Like you said, it's a case o
e really scrambling. There are no jobs in the local
> > market and less chances of them finding a place in another part of the
> > company as they are cutting back everywhere.
> >
> > Just some food for thought.
> >
> >
> > >From: "nrf"
> &g
Shawn G"
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>Many of you may have seen this, but it looks like this guy has got it all!!
>:-) He has a little bit to say about graduate
US News rankings).
>
> >From: "Kaminski, Shawn G"
> >Reply-To: "Kaminski, Shawn G"
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:39:39 -0400
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> >Many of you may have seen this, but it looks
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> Maybe other companies are different but to make it here you have to
> have to pedigree comming out of school i.e. stick it out for an MBA and it
> better be from a top tier (and no U of M is not on the list) school. If
m: "Kaminski, Shawn G"
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> >Many of you may have seen this, but it looks like
> this guy has g
consultant. So you start as Engineer, Technical conultant,
Manager, Business consultant, GM and so on. Any additions?
Regards, Kaushik Khakhar A >From: "nrf" >Reply-To: "nrf" >To:
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Hi,
Thanks for the responses !!
It was very interesting to read the previous postings.
Sure, nobody can tell me to do this or that ... but to read your opinions
about this topic was very informative.
I really want to stay in the networking area but I don't want to stay in the
lab overnight and co
At 2:35 PM -0400 4/18/02, nrf wrote:
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>""John Johnson"" wrote in message
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>> I'd try the MBA or better yet a MS in CS. Then if market conditions
>change
>> you can always stop the MS route and get the CCIE. If they don't, then
>you
>>
Sagely advice from some good sources, especially the last one.
---
"Try not to become a man of success, but rather try to
become a man of value." - Albert Einstein
"Recognition is the greatest motivator." - Gerard C. Eakedale
"Som
>
> I'd tend to agree in traditional science fields like chemistry (my
> original major), but not in computer science/networking outside pure
> academia. I can look at an assortment of IETF leaders and find people
> anywhere from college dropout to PhD. Even some key academic
> researchers (not fa
At 11:35 AM -0400 4/19/02, Hartnell, George wrote:
>Sagely advice from some good sources, especially the last one.
>---
>
>"It's good to shut up sometimes." - Marcel Marceau
>
>
True fiendishness is evidenced when one plays a blank m
MBA or CCIE [7:41809]
> > >Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:39:39 -0400
> > >
> > >Many of you may have seen this, but it looks like
> > this guy has got it all!!
> > >:-) He has a little bit to say about graduate
> > school and the CCIE.
> > >B
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> At 11:35 AM -0400 4/19/02, Hartnell, George wrote:
> >Sagely advice from some good sources, especially the last one.
> >---
> >
> >"It's good to
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I understand. But on the other hand, if you have ambitions to be the CxO, a
CCIE isn't going to cut it. Like you said, it's a case of what you want
out of life.
However, what I will definitely say is this. If you work for
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>> >Sagely advice from some good sources, especially the last one.
>> >---
>> >
>> >"I
in order to communicate with them or make successful customer-related
decisions.
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> >
> > I'd tend to agree in traditional science fields like chemistry (my
> &g
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>I understand. But on the other hand, if you have ambitions to be the CxO, a
rember, it is not where you are from but where you are going.. ad spice
to whatever you do and enjoylawrence a sculark MBA/Info_Mgmt;
CCNA;CCNP;ESS;ESR
LAWRENCE A SCULARK >From: "Ladrach, Daniel E." >Reply-To: "Ladrach,
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Hi
Just curious, are there still employers who sponsor MBA's at this time? You
don't even have to tell me the names but just a yes or no :)
Thanks
Tarek
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Yes. Not as many as before, but yes.
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> Hi
>
> Just curious, are there still employers who sponsor MBA's at this time?
You
> don't even have to tell me the names but just a yes or no :)
>
> Thanks
> Tarek
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lots of companies have tuition reimbursement programs. you pay up front,
take the class, pass with the required grade ( in my case, my employer
required a B- ( B minus ) and receive reimbursement for the cost of the
class. books were not included.
My employer at the time was a major brokerage fir
Just don't get too many B-'s because the employer will pay but the school
won't let you play.:)
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ng. Anyway back to my
CCIE quest for now!
Tarek
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Just don't get too many B-'s because the
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But it's good to know that employer-sponsorship still happens. I had my MBA
classes sponsored at my previous 2 employers. I'm sure my current o
of dropouts to be the Microsoft management
team? So clearly there must be something good (very good) about that
degree."
>
> -Original Message-
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g the completion of your
> desired course of study, you wish to deal with people & financial issues
> outright, by all means go for the MBA. The situation (besides, of course,
> hands-on) where not having a CCIE might hurt you is if you have to lead a
> team of them, and your ro
in the world could make such a claim more credibly than him?),
then
> why didn't he just hire a bunch of dropouts to be the Microsoft
management
> team? So clearly there must be something good (very good) about that
> degree."
>
> >
> > -Original Message--
ehalf Of
> adam lee
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>
> Just don't get too many B-'s because the employer will pay but the school
> won't let you play.:)
>
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Gates realizes
the
> > value of the degree. If Gates thought the degree wasn't particularly
> useful
> > (and who in the world could make such a claim more credibly than him?),
> then
> > why didn't he just hire a bunch of dropouts to be the Microsoft
> management
&
f"
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>Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 01:14:52 -0400
>
>""William Gragido"" wrote in message
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> > Thats not necessaril
supposed to provide you with the cognitive wherewithal to lead the
overall
> > success of business efforts, which in many cases requires leaders to
delve
> > into profoundly non-technical issues. If, following the completion of
your
> > desired course of study, you wish to deal with people &
alanced approach to addressing both sets of
concerns.
Unless I'm missing something terribly obvious (and yes, I'm aware that that
phrase is somewhat [if not doubly] redundant). Feedback?
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om/board???
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> ""William Gragido"" wrote in message
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> > Thats not necessarily true.
Gates realizes
the
> > value of the degree. If Gates thought the degree wasn't particularly
> useful
> > (and who in the world could make such a claim more credibly than him?),
> then
> > why didn't he just hire a bunch of dropouts to be the Microsoft
> management
&
alanced approach to addressing both sets of
concerns.
Unless I'm missing something terribly obvious (and yes, I'm aware that that
phrase is somewhat [if not doubly] redundant). Feedback?
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To:
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 2:32 AM
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supposed to provide you with the cognitive wherewithal to lead the
overall
> > success of business efforts, which in many cases requires leaders to
delve
> > into profoundly non-technical issues. If, following the completion of
your
> > desired course of study, you wish to deal with people &
; > do it too, but it just doesn't feel right to ask for it in such economy.
> Our
> > stock is OK but the environment is not very encouraging. Anyway back to
my
> > CCIE quest for now!
> >
> > Tarek
> >
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> I'm not sure that the "limited education" part is accurate.
>
> Most extant accounts reveal that his
> (not-derived-from-an-accredited-institution, of course) education was
> profound enough to leave him bored, tr
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> > I'm not sure that the "l
But how about MBA and CCIE? That would be excellent mix I think.
Regards
Jon Gudmundsson
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Yes. Not as many as before, but yes.
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