RE: serial interface down/down or up/down [7:47101]

2002-09-06 Thread Mark W. Odette II
What model/mfg. is the CSU/DSU?? Just curious, that's all. :) Have a great Weekend to all! Mark -Original Message- From: Michael Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 8:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: serial interface down/down or up/do

Re: serial interface down/down or up/down [7:47101]

2002-09-06 Thread Michael Williams
This just happened to me today. We had a point to point T1 circuit go down, and all I could see on the one end was: DCD=down DSR=up DTR=up RTS=up CTS=up So, even though our CSU/DSU was powered up and connected to the routers serial interface with a good cable, we showed DCD down because the

Re: serial interface down/down or up/down [7:47101]

2002-06-23 Thread Dain Deutschman
t have to be treated seperately from the the one involving a > >mere serial interface, due to the lack of interaction with an external > >device for those functions. > > > >The two references that dramatically increased my understanding of layer 1 > >operations are the

Re: serial interface down/down or up/down [7:47101]

2002-06-22 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
e 3160 manual and uyless s black's Physical Layer >Interfaces and Protocols book. > > >- Original Message ----- >From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" >To: >Sent: 21 June 2002 8:02 pm >Subject: Re: serial interface down/down or up/down [7:47101] > > > &g

Re: serial interface down/down or up/down [7:47101]

2002-06-22 Thread Kevin Cullimore
ally increased my understanding of layer 1 operations are the paradyne 3160 manual and uyless s black's Physical Layer Interfaces and Protocols book. - Original Message - From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" To: Sent: 21 June 2002 8:02 pm Subject: Re: serial interface down/down

Re: serial interface down/down or up/down [7:47101]

2002-06-21 Thread Roy Bender
Hi Everyone, I am new to this group and I just passed my CCIE written and am looking forward to participating. I have done a lot of lease line installs the last couple of years, and I have worked with EIA-530, V.35, G.703, EIA-232 etc...Most of these installs required me to go through an addition

Re: serial interface down/down or up/down [7:47101]

2002-06-21 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
At 07:17 PM 6/21/02, Chuck wrote: >""Priscilla Oppenheimer"" wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > I guess the question is too hard for a practice test if NOBODY can answer > > it!? > > > >CL: surprise surprise we all THINK we know the answer byt realy we don't ;-> M

RE: serial interface down/down or up/down [7:47101]

2002-06-21 Thread Roberts, Larry
iving keepalives... Talk about a condition to make you scratch your head... Thanks Larry -Original Message- From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: serial interface down/down or up/down [7:47101] I

Re: serial interface down/down or up/down [7:47101]

2002-06-21 Thread Chuck
""Priscilla Oppenheimer"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I guess the question is too hard for a practice test if NOBODY can answer > it!? > CL: surprise surprise we all THINK we know the answer byt realy we don't ;-> > Here's the thing: Cisco says that a down/d

Re: serial interface down/down or up/down [7:47101]

2002-06-21 Thread Shawn Heisey
I've seen both down/down and up/down in real-world scenarios. The difference between the two seemed to be the intelligence of the CSU/DSU. With a recent Adtran unit, it goes down/down - if the CSU is down, it takes down the DSU. I did not delve into the configuration to see if this behavior cou

RE: serial interface down/down or up/down [7:47101]

2002-06-21 Thread Daniel Cotts
age- > From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 2:08 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: serial interface down/down or up/down [7:47101] > > > At 01:42 AM 6/21/02, John Neiberger wrote: > >This isn't quite true.

Re: serial interface down/down or up/down [7:47101]

2002-06-21 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
ere is NO serial cable or a bad serial cable connected. >So even if you have a misconfigured framing method, you should at least see >up/down. > >Mike W. > >- Original Message - >From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" >Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco >Sent: Thu

Re: serial interface down/down or up/down [7:47101]

2002-06-21 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
The interface ends up being down/down if encoding and framing are misconfigured on the CSU/DSU? Sorry, you weren't clear about that part which is the part I'm desperately trying to confirm. ;-) Thanks. Priscilla At 09:53 PM 6/20/02, itsme wrote: >Hi Priscilla, > >I have actually had this scen

Re: serial interface down/down or up/down [7:47101]

2002-06-21 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
I guess the question is too hard for a practice test if NOBODY can answer it!? Here's the thing: Cisco says that a down/down interface means the router interface is not sensing a Carrier Detect signal (that is, the CD is not active). Now, from my studies of V.35 I know that data carrier detect

Re: serial interface down/down or up/down [7:47101]

2002-06-21 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
At 01:42 AM 6/21/02, John Neiberger wrote: >This isn't quite true. I agree. I think the materials Michael was looking at overgeneralized. Words like "only" and "always" just don't come into play with networks unless you're talking about the speed of light or something. ;-) Seriously, this much

Re: serial interface down/down or up/down [7:47101]

2002-06-21 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
I have seen down/up, but this was on xGS routers around release 9.x. In those cases, it meant there was a main processor hardware (or rarely software) failure. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=47139&t=47101 -- FA

RE: serial interface down/down or up/down [7:47101]

2002-06-21 Thread Leiva, Angel
EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: serial interface down/down or up/down [7:47101] Hi Group Study, While writing some questions for a practice test, I found myself questioning what I thought was the right answer. Here's the scenario: A Cisco router serial interface is correctly connected with a goo

Re: serial interface down/down or up/down [7:47101]

2002-06-21 Thread Donald B Johnson Jr
I would add a mismatch encap to that list. HDLC on one side and PPP on the other with show up/down. Don - Original Message - From: "Tim Potier" To: Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:15 AM Subject: Re: serial interface down/down or up/down [7:47101] > I have found

Re: serial interface down/down or up/down [7:47101]

2002-06-21 Thread Tim Potier
I have found a good bit of conflicting information on the causes of down/down and up/down. All agree that down/down can be caused by: 1. no cable connection 2. CSU/DSU powered down Some other reasons, although not consistently referenced in the literature are: 1. Faulty cable (may also cause up/d

Re: serial interface down/down or up/down [7:47101]

2002-06-21 Thread Bob Timmons
Ok, I have a backup frame relay that I can test on. Here's my findings: I have an Excalibur ISX5311 connected to a 7206VXR. We have a full T to the frame using ESF framing. The line is up/up. I modified the framing to D4 (there appears to be no SF?), and checked the line. It went down/down.

Re: serial interface down/down or up/down [7:47101]

2002-06-20 Thread Chuck
would somebody just change some settings on an external CSU/DSU and report the results? Who cares if it's a production network? It's getting towards midnight, it'll only take a couple of minutes, and the suits are all asleep! ;-> ""John Neiberger"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAI

Re: serial interface down/down or up/down [7:47101]

2002-06-20 Thread John Neiberger
This isn't quite true. For example, a DCE router interface will be down/down if DTR is not raised by the DTE device. I see this quite often at work and faulty cabling is generally not the culprit. It's almost always bad hardware in the DTE. John Michael L. Williams wrote: > According to CC

Re: serial interface down/down or up/down [7:47101]

2002-06-20 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
At 11:11 PM -0400 6/20/02, Bob Timmons wrote: >I can't say I've ever seen a down/up condition. Up/Down perhaps. > >I'm sure there are exceptions, but it's my belief that the router doesn't >care about encoding, but rather a layer-1 connection to the dce/dte device. >If the router can 'talk' to th

Re: serial interface down/down or up/down [7:47101]

2002-06-20 Thread Michael L. Williams
According to CCIE exam materials, the *only* time the serial will show down/down is when there is NO serial cable or a bad serial cable connected. So even if you have a misconfigured framing method, you should at least see up/down. Mike W. "Bob Timmons" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">n

Re: serial interface down/down or up/down [7:47101]

2002-06-20 Thread Bob Timmons
I can't say I've ever seen a down/up condition. Up/Down perhaps. I'm sure there are exceptions, but it's my belief that the router doesn't care about encoding, but rather a layer-1 connection to the dce/dte device. If the router can 'talk' to the device on the other end of the cable, you should

Re: serial interface down/down or up/down [7:47101]

2002-06-20 Thread itsme
Hi Priscilla, I have actually had this scenario (multiple times), but due to the Telco's misconfiguration. Specifically we were expecting b8zs/esf. Unfortunately I can't confirm which was configured incorrectly, but I can confirm that going through all of the different combinations available at t

serial interface down/down or up/down [7:47101]

2002-06-20 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
Hi Group Study, While writing some questions for a practice test, I found myself questioning what I thought was the right answer. Here's the scenario: A Cisco router serial interface is correctly connected with a good V.35 cable to the data port on the DSU side of a CSU/DSU. The CSU/DSU has be