What's wrong with CCIEs today? I know that I am making a general
assumptions; however,this is the second time that it has happend to the
company that I work for. We have several tacacs servers that use to
authenticate users. These tacacs servers are running on a combination of
Linux and Solaris
I agree with Sean that a CCIE should be able to perform basic UNIX tasks and
be familiar
with UNIX as such but this here can quickly become a grey area . Because
UNIX and
networking are both vast fields in themselves ,expecting one person to be a
master of
both is not right . I work as a Syste
Last time I checked, there was none of the following on the CCIE written
or lab:
Unix
Tacacs Server Configuration
X-application tunneling over SSL
Would you also expect a CCIE to be able to configure CICS on your
mainframe and troubleshoot terminal controller problems in VTAM on your
FEP?
No,
That's not what they've been trained to do,
it's not what they're certified to do, and if you're smart, you won't hire
someone to do UNIX stuff without making them prove that they *can* do it.
In other words, quit your bellyaching. ;-)
BJ
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From: Sean Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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What's wrong with CCIEs today? I know that I am making a general
assumptions; however,this is the second time that it h
isco certification mailing list without "OFF TOPIC" in the subject.
Regards,
David Wolsefer, CCIE #5858
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Subject: what'
At 07:14 PM 7/20/01 -0400, Sean Young wrote:
>process. These CCIE guys say that they come from a windows environment
>so they don't have too much with Unix platforms. I also notice that a
>lot of CCIEs these days lack the Unix skills that are required for the
>Service Providers environment. Mo
Hmm, maybe the fault lies in companies that only hire people who have a
specific set of certifications to manage their networks. I, and for that
matter several other non-CCIEs I know, could easily have handled your
problem. I'm betting that you never even got the chance to see us, as the
insisten
only know "point and click".
>From: "John Neiberger" >Reply-To: "John Neiberger" >To:
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[7:13151] >Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 19:32:53 -0400 > >Last time I checked,
there was none
that
basic troubleshooting stuffs. To my knowledge, Linux and Solaris x86 are
free so those basic Unix skills can be learned very quickly.
>From: "B.J. Wilson" >Reply-To: "B.J. Wilson" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: what's wrong with CCIE today? [
sic skills set of Unix. It seems CCIEs know how to use
Microsoft Windows? Why not Unix? Didn't these guys ever attend
college? As far as I am concerns that's where most people learn their
Unix skills
>From: "David Wolsefer" >To: "'Sean Young'" >CC:
"X-application tunneling over SSL". This is a very interesting concept.
I didn't know that this is possible.
>From: "John Neiberger" >Reply-To: "John Neiberger" >To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: what's wrong with CCIE today?
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> >From: "John Neiberger" >Reply-To: "John Neiberger" >To:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: what's wrong with CCIE today?
> [7:13151] >Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 19:32:53 -0400 > >Last time I checked,
> there was none of the following on
On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Sean Young wrote:
> Come on guys. Everyone's point is very well taken. I am NOT saying that
> a CCIE also has to be an expert with Unix. All I am saying is that at
> the very least, have a basic understand of Unix OS so that one can
??? Cisco has no relation to any UN*X.
lls. The newer only know "point and click".
>
>
>
> >From: "John Neiberger" >Reply-To: "John Neiberger" >To:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: what's wrong with CCIE today?
> [7:13151] >Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 19:32:53 -0400 > &g
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Subject: Re: what's wrong with CCIE today? [7:13151]
> Well, a ccie doesn't know how to fix the NT server; however, he/she does
> know how change the IP address of the NT server or how
I have a few comments. It sounds like Sean is looking for a confidence
boost by this group. Wow, Sean, you must be really smart! I mean to have
these Unix skills _and_ know something about Cisco routers. Oh my goodness!
Maybe I could introduce you to my sister!
Normally I don't respond to suc
I think the CCIE demonstrates an ability to learn at a certain level, and
guarantees a certain level of knowledge on subjects tested by the written
and lab exams.
In my experience CCIE's tend to specialise in one (or a few) specific
area(s) after that. I think there's a danger of being Jack of al
u should have used 3 tacacs servers
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> What's wrong with CCIEs today? I know that I am making a general
> assumptions; however,this is the second time that it has happend to the
> company that I work for. We have sev
Yeah! ;-b
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You're attributing a fault in "these guys" to a
e the numbskull
ER doc who assumes that all DRs are created equal.
Toodles,
Will
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Wh
hey running around with that
too. Hi
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> These guys are CCIE certified. I checked with cisco.
>
> Wait a minute, I didn't say
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