Thanks RickThat is very much what played out this season. I believe the
handicap was 111 and he got three seconds and dropped to 114 for the
modificationHis modification did not adversely affect the boatshe is fast
and points like crazy. Often outpointing etchelles We sail in Lake St-Loui
Taras. I used to sail out if BYC. Had a Tanzer 22 and life was simpler with a
fleet of 30 boats or more. I never did get to like handicap racing, too many
variables and dependencies. You are thinking of a C&C 37, a great boat, but
needs water depth. Is Lake St.Louis still suffering shallow water
Rick
You say "I can still point up to under 30 degrees apparent,"
My 35 MKII will sail at 30 degrees to apparent wind but I have found that my
VMG (wind) is highest when I sail at about 33 degrees to apparent. I don't
have the numbers for all of my headsails because I have only been carry
My boat heaves to quite well under main and jib. All I have to do is tack,
not release the jib sheet, let the sail back on the new tack, and then turn
the boat hard to windward.
It is quite useful to "park" for a bit, but not much used anymore as a storm
survival tactic. If you can still do that, y
Check for more screws… :^)
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^(
On Nov 11, 2012, at 10:12 PM, Joel Aronson wrote:
> Tomorrow I need to figure out why the E7 plotter isn't seeing the
> wheelpilot. I may have a bad connection in my
Joe, heaving to is very much in use as a storm/survival tactic. I've more
than once sat out 50-knot winds halfway between Bermuda and New England
while hove to. The contrast between trying to make way in that stuff and
sitting under the dodger with a cup of tea while hove to is remarkable. And
it g
The few times I've practice heaving-to (using a jib and without much success or
persistence!), I was concerned by the fact that the jib sheet was pulled hard
against the shroud. Chafe on the sheet was on my worry list but I was also
concerned by the extra load and weird load angle on the shroud
I think so--at least I've never had a problem with that. Mind you, I've
never been hove to for more than 24 hours. It's not too hard to arrange
some sort of chafe protection between the sheet and the shroud. And don't
forget that heaving to is a good alternative to bashing to weather in
12-foot sea
Rick,
With a quick look I can't see any evidence of those holes, but they are
probably covered over with crud and bottom paint. I did notice the bottom half
is not entirely hollow. There are a couple strips of plywood stacked on top of
each other running down the middle of the rudder, primar
That is kind of what I meant - maybe I worded it wrong.
When we had 50 knots coming home from Bermuda, we had 5 on board and decided
to push for top speed. We got about 170 miles the first non-to-noon and 180
the next.
Heaving-to would have been a nice way to get some rest if needed, but we
could s
Yeah...there are times when heaving to is the wrong answer; Huge steep
confused seas that could roll the boat, when you're in the Gulf Stream,
etc. In that case I would trail warps or a drogue and run under bare poles
with someone steering. Did that for a couple of days once in the same area
on an
Rick,
Now that I think about it a little more - how would you detect if the rudder
was flexing?
If I had to guess, I think the owner on the Sailing Anarchy thread has a Mk2.
I know that the advertising literature for the 25 Mk2 said that the rudder
design was new.
The support under the mast
Dwight;
The NC PHRF base rating is 117 for the 38 Mk1 or Mk2, and 126 for the 35
Mk2. 9 seconds difference is consistent with the spread in your area. I
presume you have more wind than we do.
When I was racing regularly, my rating was 120 because of the keel mod. I
raced against a 35 Mk2 th
You only looked at 30 boats? What a piker. I dragged my then girlfriend around
marinas and yards in PA, NJ, and Chesapeake Bay at least one weekend a month
for a year and a half before I found Belle. I was actually going to Annapolis
to decide which of 3 Columbia 26s I was going to buy when I no
Rick:
My 38MKII here in NE is rated at 120R and 132C which is consistent with the
12 sec difference for a masthead rig.
The base rating was 114R but was adjusted 6 seconds for an above deck
working roller furling giving it a "recreational handicap adjustment" That
adjustment allows only 2
Rick,
I got the 129 rating based on a +12 adjustment for the two blade fixed prop. I
haven't (yet) received an adjustment for the roller furler (+3). There is also
an adjustment available for using a 135% headsail as your largest(111% to 135%
is +3), but I don't think you will get anything for a
12 seconds?! I should have applied for a new PHRF certificate a LONG time
ago. I thought it was only +3, and I can screw up 3 seconds a mile in a
heartbeat - particularly now that I only do charity races and use a pickup
crew.
Now where did I put my PHRF rating folder...
Rick Brass
Wash
Wow. I can see getting a headache trying to digest all the adjustments.
I presume the variety of ratings is intended to let a group of disparate
boats compete in only one fleet. The norm in our area is to run multiple
fleets. Many of the events will run a Spin, PHRF non-spin (or JAM) class,
and
After sailing/racing for about 10 years I changed locations(Australia to New
England)and boat. I saw 2, one was the 25 MkI. Bought it without hesitation,
enjoyed it for quite a few years. Sometimes you are lucky...
Leslie
Phoenix C&C32 1983 (10+ years of ownership)
Ron
In my experience when you are racing without a spinnaker in the same fleet
that allows spinnaker you need a substantial and very difficult to quantify
handicap adjustment system. I would almost say that any adjustment is
without good reason.either the boats in a fleet use spinnakers or not, th
That's a good point for the guy considering the 37+ for racing.he will need
more regular and good crew to race effectively.not just more water.but Rick,
I think your boat is probably rated fairly at 120 and I am sure you and your
crew will sail better as time goes on and I bet you could find ways t
Dwight:
Ii agree "in principle"; but that thinking applied back when we were all 25
years younger.and could handle BIG spinnakers, etc. In our fleets
today..there are no boats that sail in the "D" fleet..the "C" fleet
starts with the J 30's and goes up to whatever...we do have a JAM fl
Rick.
I'm 6'4" and have whacked my head at the same location as you so often it is
pathetic given you think I would learned to duck specifically on the boat and
generally in life
Solution? Pipe insulation you get at Home Depot et al. Ya still hit ya just
don't care!
1981 40-2
Hey Ron.it's all about having fun and if you guys are having fun racing that
way that's great.but what you guys are trying to do with the numbers is very
complicated and much more complicated than a simple headsail adjustment
IMHO. Around here my boat rates 126 with and 144 without spinnaker, that
Wow ... So many topics and so many responses
1. When a vessel changes its keel, rudder or rig it is always treated as an
attempt to make the boat sail better (faster). Only if it is looked at hard
and long and decided is no faster and rarely slower is that changed
2. 12 sec/mile on 2 blade fix
I don't seem to have made my original point clearly.
What I was trying to say was that I've taken 10" off the keel of my 38 and
added a wide 1150 lb bulb to compensate for lost righting moment. The wide
bulb may act like a wing or an end plate on the keel I have left. But you
can't tell from my
Yes the Frers is a great light air boatOne evening race he finished 20 minutes
corrected time ahead of the next races (we did not compete that
night)perfect example of the rich get richerT
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:19:38 -0400
From: mike.h...@impgroup.com
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject:
There is a 37+xl at the Royal with shoal keel .ChaosNice boat,passed me
during last year's Ishkoodah
All the bestTaras
From: r...@sailpower.ca
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 09:31:26 -0400
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating
Taras. I used to sail out if BYC
I agree - I'd swap my Flex-o-fold for a two-blade fixed and a 129 rating in
less than 12 seconds! I also race on and against a Frers 33 here (108
rating vs 117 for a 35-3) - they smoke us in light air, we hold our own in
10-15+.
Tim
Mojito
C&C 35-3
Branford, CT
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 7:19 PM, H
Rick,
Like you I am a cruiser now too, most often only 2 of us on board.I like it
a lot, cruising is enjoyable but I still pay careful attention to
performance factors like sail trim, heel angle, boat speed and wind angle
etc. but I use only my 135 furling headsail and my main sail, sometimes
The Frers 33 displacement is less than your 35 MKIII, the sail area to
displacement ratio is quite a bit larger and LWL is only 1.5 feet less than
your 35.we had similar experience racing against a Hobie 33 (PHRF 94) on a
C&C 34R (PHRF 84)
Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margar
We would kick his a-- going to weather in medium to heavy air and some
sea, and he would take it all back on the downwind spin run. One way
the 34R could beat the Hobie 33 was to have an upwind finish which
happened once in St Margaret's Bay, I recall.
Bob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax N.S
I went out sailing on the Frers in 30+ knots (we were the only boat that turned
up for the race start). We had the leeward rail buried the entire time,
reaching across 8' seas and never once lost the rudder. Something to be said
for the more modern foil design, but I am way more comfortable th
Hi List,
Short season for me this year, bought our C&C34 this spring and did a lot
to bring her back to where she needs to be. But I'm late winterizing the Diesel
engine and am looking for advice and tricks to speed me through getting
this engine done.
Any Advice?
Thanks in advance,
Mark Mey
A) make sure the engine is up to temperature before attempting to pump out the
old oil. If you are still in the water this is not an issue. If already on the
hard, you will need to find a way to run fresh water through the system as it
comes up to temperature
B) buy / borrow one if the 12v oil
The Frers 33 looks very interesting late 80's design. Nice support group with
40 member boats in their class association. Carrol Marine is a quality builder.
Photos show the boats are raced very competively with large crews. PHRF of 109
to 114.
The J-30 is a late 70's design and a different bo
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