Re: [CGUYS] Eudora

2009-09-06 Thread mike
You can ask, it's not going to happen. Eudora is a dinosaur at this point. On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Marcio wrote: > Can we arite Moxilla and ask them to do just this? Keep Eudora? > > Marcio > > -Original Message- > >From: Fred Holmes > >Sent: Sep 7, 2009 3:09 AM > >To: COMPUTE

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread mike
I listened to the last right/left/center podcast and A. Huffington was not happy with the big O because he was striking the same backroom deals with big RX everyone else always has. To believe this admin is 'different' then the last in terms of goodness is a mistake. A lot of the same people who

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread mike
How can the wealthy remain untaxed? Families making under 60k? a year don't pay anything...who is paying? On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 9:05 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: > Tom is right in a way that conservatives have been wanting for a long time, > but Mike is wrong--it's everybody's money except the wealthie

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Fred Holmes
Regularly, I get other people's mail delivered to my home. On some occasions, it has been outgoing mail that the mail carrier has picked up at someone else's home. The mail may arrive at any time from 10:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m., which says that they don't have a standard, routine manner in which

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
More refusals, more profits. This is the perversity of the system. You can imagine how many time I spendarguing with e dirrector of Managed Care Company who refused to pay for the hospitalization of a suicidal patient, telling me that it up to me to hospitalized the patient because they did not

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
If it is for the common good... let´s do it. Marcio -Original Message- >From: Mike >Sent: Sep 6, 2009 7:13 PM >To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM >Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... > >Who would have thought the unions and government would own a car >company 15 years ago? > >

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
You sound like healthy is a permanent state Jeff. O=Please consider that all of us, regardless of how narcisit we are, will lose our health sooner or later, sometimes sooner. So we can´t exclue ourselves to being among the unhealthy. The same for being poor. Anyone is above the possibility? Ithi

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Fred Holmes
The news report that I read said that the man whose little finger was bitten off was a person who opposed health care reform, so presumably the man who did the biting was a supporter of Obama's "health care reform." At 11:59 PM 9/5/2009, t.piwowar wrote: >I appreciate your faith. I guess the mo

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
-Original Message- >From: Jeff Wright >Sent: Sep 7, 2009 1:52 AM >To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM >Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... > >> I was taught many years ago, that the more doctors you have in a >> region the higher the prices. Doctors do not compete, they judge one

Re: [CGUYS] Eudora

2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
Can we arite Moxilla and ask them to do just this? Keep Eudora? Marcio -Original Message- >From: Fred Holmes >Sent: Sep 7, 2009 3:09 AM >To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM >Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Eudora > >It's my understanding that the "new" Eudora is not Eudora at all, but a >completel

Re: [CGUYS] Eudora

2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
I hope it stays around for a good while. I love it. Why doesn´t Mozilla works on it without changing it too much? CanI sent a suggestion to them? Marcio -Original Message- >From: "Rev. Stewart Marshall" >Sent: Sep 6, 2009 7:02 PM >To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM >Subject: Re: [CGUYS

Re: [CGUYS] Eudora

2009-09-06 Thread Fred Holmes
It's my understanding that the "new" Eudora is not Eudora at all, but a completely independent program that has either purchased or been given the Eudora name. For that reason, I haven't tried it. I would be interested in hearing from anyone who has. I happen to like the Qualcomm Eudora inter

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
Ok, and you have a problem with this why? Do you really hate the poor that much? I was mostly talking about the option everyone seems to be against. I know I hate it when I'm given options, don't you? As for paying for others health care, I really don't mind. We all end up paying for other

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Wright
> OK on the Mackey thing. Yes I did read it, and he has some great > things to say, HOWEVER. > > You must have government mandate minimums. If they do not many > companies will try and fly through with a bunch of worthless insurance. > > Instead of removing mandates, make them nation wide. At

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Wright
> Roads are a given? And they're constitutionally provided? Where? > Please post that part of the constitution for me. Oh fer cryin...You DO know how to use a search engine, right? 5th Amendment, takings clause, US Constitution. No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Wright
> I was taught many years ago, that the more doctors you have in a > region the higher the prices. Doctors do not compete, they judge one > another on the amount they make. So if one doctor raises prices, all > of them will to stay even. > > Could you imagine what would happen if Doctors adverti

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Steve at Verizon
And vice versa. The USPS uses FedEx and UPS to bulk ship US Mail via their planes and trucks to other USPS facilities for mailbox delivery. This has nothing to do with "public option". It is called subcontracting. This two way subcontracting already exists in health insurance. Medicare subcont

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Wright
> No, you don't. The single payer plan, which is an option. No where > have I seen it written or said by it's proponents that it would be > required of everyone. Jeff, that IS the single defining component of single payer. NO ONE else is paying other than the guvmint, which is kinda the point of

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread b_s-wilk
Tom is right in a way that conservatives have been wanting for a long time, but Mike is wrong--it's everybody's money except the wealthiest people who remain mostly untaxed. Social Security and Medicare are flat taxes, no exceptions, just what they love. However, there's a huge exception that n

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread b_s-wilk
FedEx and UPS have been using the US Postal Service for final delivery of many of their packages. This is private carriers using the _public option_ to save money. They ship long distance on their planes or trucks to the local or regional post office. Then the postal carriers deliver packages

Re: [CGUYS] Do Typographers Despise M$?

2009-09-06 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: > > "The 2010 IKEA catalog, now arriving at doorsteps around the world, > > reveals the company's choice to change all typography to the Microsoft > > font..." > > http://idsgn.org/posts/ikea-says-goodbye-to-futura/ > > Bingo! We have a winner.

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Oh I got stirred up a long time ago. Stewart At 10:03 PM 9/6/2009, you wrote: Yes, and thank goodness that our current administration has had the audacity to be willing to stir the pot on a stew that has needed stirring for a long, long time. Steve Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz.

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote: > Pfizer can pay a $2.3B fine and it's just the cost of doing business. Yet there are those, and they are legion, that prefer Pfizer and their ilk to run the healthcare system, and in many instances resist attempts to have controls and oversi

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
In Canada it covers minimum basic health care. No cosmetic surgery, no sex change operations, maybe flu shots, no therapeutic massage, Abortion was not legal till 20 years ago. Also no dental is included (private) some psychiatric is included and one basic eye exam a year. Also note you wil

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I think what this video shows is that our medical care is all about making money and not about treating patients to a healthy outcome. I keep hearing the phrase let competition rule. I was taught many years ago, that the more doctors you have in a region the higher the prices. Doctors do not

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Steve at Verizon
Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: You must have government mandate minimums. If they do not many companies will try and fly through with a bunch of worthless insurance. Herein lies the major problem. What constitutes 'minimum' coverage? Yearly physicals (not part of Medicare), cosmetic surgery, se

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Mark A. Metz
This discussion is on a subject outside my expertise, but I did receive a link to this video from one of my Science feeds (evolvingthoughts.net). I thought you all might enjoy it. http://brightcove.newscientist.com/services/player/bcpid2227271001?bctid=30583310001 Mark ***

Re: [CGUYS] Guys and GPS

2009-09-06 Thread Robert Carroll
mike wrote: I've heard this all my life, but I've never met a guy who refused or didn't like asking for directions. We haven't met. I remember vividly the day, decades ago, when I swore I would never again stop my car to ask directions. That story is too long to tell here, but the usual

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
It sucks, and we pay a very high premium to get screwed like this. And before someone tells me to make another choice I have no choices it is this plan or none. (We can pay more for less deductibles on the medical, but that is the only difference.) Stewart At 07:28 PM 9/6/2009, you wrote:

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
Wow, this kind of sounds like what I've gone through. I'm on SSI (which I don't feel guilty about since I've been paying for it my entire working adult life) and also Washington STATE medical assistance. I'm not quite sure why I'm on the Washington STATE medical thing but when I was in the

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 6, 2009, at 8:08 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Lo and behold condition improves GRD dies down and she decides she should change permanently the Pain meds. Calls doctors office to get prescription to get it filled. They call it into pharmacy. We go to pharmacy a day later to pick

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Eric S. Sande
They bring their guns to those events not for protection - there are plenty of police at these functions - but rather to convey a veiled threat of death to those who oppose their views. Note than some of them carry a sign that harkens back to the Revolutionary War about >how the tree of liberty

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
First off politicians say a lot of things when they are working on getting elected and before they become candidates. Follow through is not very good. (Matter of fact it sucks) Once a politician gets elected they go into re-election mode. Which means many of their ideals get tempered.

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Mike
Search youtube for obama single payer, should be the first hit posted by nakedemporer. I'd post the link but I still can't copy/paste. Sent from my iPod On Sep 6, 2009, at 4:12 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: No, you don't. The single payer plan, which is an option. No where have I seen it written

Re: [CGUYS] Vark

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
I was being serious, but when I asked and after trying I had only been awake for about an hour. I had a brain cloud. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 6, 2009, at 4:09 PM, Jordan wrote: Jeff Miles wrot

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: >        I was born and lived in Idaho for many years. I'm a strong supporter > of gun rights. But these idiots bring guns to a presidential speeches need > to be locked up just for being stupid. They bring their guns to those events not for pr

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
No, you don't. The single payer plan, which is an option. No where have I seen it written or said by it's proponents that it would be required of everyone. It wouldn't be taken out of your paycheck automatically without your consent like social security or other taxes. What is so friggen ha

Re: [CGUYS] Vark

2009-09-06 Thread Jordan
Jeff Miles wrote: I've found this list to be pretty quick at answering questions. Here, I'll test it. How do I get Safari to open when I click on a link in Mail? I've got it set to Firefox now, but want to change back to Safari. I used to know this, but this morning I couldn't find the

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
Roads are a given? And they're constitutionally provided? Where? Please post that part of the constitution for me. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 6, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: But you pay f

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
Cop out. If you make a statement, be prepared to back it up. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 6, 2009, at 3:47 PM, mike wrote: I'm sure you can use the google as well as anyone. On Sun, Sep 6, 2

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Wright
> I think the right to purchase and get Insurance is a right! Sorry, but you are inventing rights out of the whole cloth. Did you read the Mackey op-ed Rev? Full of ideas that we should be looking into. Perhaps then you kids won't have issues of getting insurance.

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
Don't know, but this is a bad thing why? After all, you and I are the government. I kind of like the idea of owning part of GM. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 6, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Mike wrote: Who wou

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Wright
> But you pay for us (USA) to have a military, public security, wars... roads > and much more. Are you being coerced?...Or...you are sharing?... The military is provided for explicitly in the US Constitution. Roads are a given and again, are constitutionally provided, and with all due respect, *

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread mike
I'm sure you can use the google as well as anyone. On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: >Really? Where's your proof of that? > > > Jeff Miles > jmile...@charter.net > > Join my Mafia > http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 > > On Sep 6, 2009, a

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Wright
> Why do so many believe this health OPTION would be forced on them? > What part of the word OPTION do these people not understand? Do I need to point you to videos of Obama advocating a single payer plan or to the current proponents who have proposed the same over the years? This is a stal

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
There is another option. No insurance no health care. In Canada they ask for your card. NO Card cash up front. That way they are guaranteed they will be paid. Everyone has insurance. You travel up there for a length of time, you buy coverage (supplemental-who said private cannot compete)

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
That's just stupid, but we already have "food insurance" of a sorts. They're called food stamps for those who can't afford food. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 6, 2009, at 1:37 PM, mike wrote: Imagi

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I think I heard somewhere that Insurance companies profits are up 1000% the past 7-10 years while rates have gone up 300% in the same time frame. Someone is making money. Our rates went up less than 5% this year, but they are very high to begin with. Stewart At 04:59 PM 9/6/2009, you wrote:

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
Yes, people without insurance, if they can afford the care, they are called "private patients" and pay much more than the ones who are insured. The docs, my colleagues, love them... In psychiatry, since the insurance coverage is so minimal even people who can barelly afford go the "private way".

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
Really? Where's your proof of that? Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 6, 2009, at 1:34 PM, mike wrote: The UK and Canada are moving away from socialized medicine, not towards it. On Sun, Sep 6,

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
Why do so many believe this health OPTION would be forced on them? What part of the word OPTION do these people not understand? Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 6, 2009, at 1:26 PM, Jeff Wright wrote:

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Mike
Who would have thought the unions and government would own a car company 15 years ago? Sent from my iPod On Sep 6, 2009, at 2:59 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: This once again goes with the assumption that a government health care option would destroy all private insurance companies. While I'd

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
This once again goes with the assumption that a government health care option would destroy all private insurance companies. While I'd love to see this happen I doubt it would. Insurance companies are the largest business in the world. I think it would take a whole lot more then a governme

Re: [CGUYS] Eudora

2009-09-06 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
N! I still use the last Eudora put out by Qualcomm. The one put out by Mozilla (The Penelope Project) is just not the same. It just not operate as nicely nor do the folders work as nicely. I have used it but I stick with the old Eudora. Stewar

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
But you pay for us (USA) to have a military, public security, wars... roads and much more. Are you being coerced?...Or...you are sharing?... Marcio -Original Message- >From: Jeff Wright >Sent: Sep 6, 2009 5:26 PM >To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@listserv.aol.com >Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care

[CGUYS] Eudora

2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
I am still using the last upgrade of Eudora. Anyone with me? I went to Mozilla and they naw have a Beta Eudora... Should I try? Regards to all Marcio * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
No I get your point. I have lived under both systems (Canada's and Ours) I have a very compelling interest in this. I think the right to purchase and get Insurance is a right! The problem is that we have made insurance only something for someone who can afford it and be eligible. My dau

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
You did not understand me. I am not going to insist. With all respect... Marcio -Original Message- >From: mike >Sent: Sep 6, 2009 5:33 PM >To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM >Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... > >You don't seem to have a full grasp on capitalism. If your letter

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
You are dreaming... try to take away from the British and the Canadians what they have! Even Tatcher who privatized everything could not do it. You are misinformed... Now don´t now come with "reports" from the right extremists sites... Marcio -Original Message- >From: mike >Sent: Sep

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
I believe those at the town hall meetings could do a lot to quiet these agitators. If everyone there were to simply turn and stare at the person shouting I'd bet they'd quit rather quickly. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
This is such a stupid comment I've heard far to often. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 6, 2009, at 11:04 AM, mike wrote: Brilliant! Socialism is great till you run out of everyone elses money.

Re: [CGUYS] Interesting insight...

2009-09-06 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
2009/9/6 Jeff Morris writes: > Interesting insight...don't watch this if you are a narrow-minded zealot who > refuses to let the facts stand in the way of your opinion. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W276ICvVAd4 So, here is Republican conservative Horowitz saying that the radical beliefs

Re: [CGUYS] Vark

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
I've found this list to be pretty quick at answering questions. Here, I'll test it. How do I get Safari to open when I click on a link in Mail? I've got it set to Firefox now, but want to change back to Safari. I used to know this, but this morning I couldn't find the preference to switch.

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Wright
> I pay less the $200/mo for food. Never really thought about food > costs being high. Of course no one is this household is obese. And we > eat steak twice a week. Chicken, pork and fish make up the other days. I didn't say that food was expensive. I said I pay more on the 2 items that we

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
I was born and lived in Idaho for many years. I'm a strong supporter of gun rights. But these idiots bring guns to a presidential speeches need to be locked up just for being stupid. And to protect the rest of us from their stupidity. I wonder if these people believe their gun rights apply

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread mike
The UK and Canada are moving away from socialized medicine, not towards it. On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Marcio wrote: > I see no conflicts having socialized programs in a capitalist country. As a > matter of fact I believe the world is moving in the direction. > > Marcio > > -Original Me

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
-Original Message- >From: Jeff Wright >Sent: Sep 6, 2009 4:21 PM >To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM >Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... > >> Everyone shots themselves in the foot sometimes. >> >> Sometimes better than others. >> >> The government is not perfect but neither are

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread mike
You don't seem to have a full grasp on capitalism. If your letters didn't arrive you'd switch carriers and get them to arrive. It's called Fedex and UPS and DHL etc. Would one pizza shop across the nation be good? Only one choice? Somehow I think not, why make good pizza if you know your cust

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread mike
Imagine if you had food insurance, you could eat steak every day! On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: >I pay less the $200/mo for food. Never really thought about food > costs being high. Of course no one is this household is obese. And we eat > steak twice a week. Chicken,

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
I see no conflicts having socialized programs in a capitalist country. As a matter of fact I believe the world is moving in the direction. Marcio -Original Message- >From: "Rev. Stewart Marshall" >Sent: Sep 6, 2009 3:52 PM >To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM >Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Inten

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Wright
> The beauty of the Single Payer is that we all will > share the risks. Isn´t this one of the reasons that we live in society? That's what insurance is: risk pooling. It's also something I engage by choice, not coercion. I don't choose to be live in a society to be compelled, by the threat of f

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
I pay less the $200/mo for food. Never really thought about food costs being high. Of course no one is this household is obese. And we eat steak twice a week. Chicken, pork and fish make up the other days. I agree that housing costs are through the roof. No pun intended. But I blame the ban

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
I am also losing faith in Obama... he is not standing up for what he believes. He is afraid of big business. I understand, he is not independently wealthy like JFK. Marcio -Original Message- >From: Jeff Wright >Sent: Sep 6, 2009 11:17 AM >To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM >Subject: R

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
If the USPS was privatized no letters would arrive in non-profit routes... as a matter of fact they would be closed. Like happens to patients under private health insurance... Marcio -Original Message- >From: Jeff Miles >Sent: Sep 6, 2009 4:04 AM >To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM >S

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
Poeple are brainwashed in America, by big money. They are raised to believe thar "private is always better"... Sad... Marcio -Original Message- >From: Jeff Miles >Sent: Sep 6, 2009 4:11 AM >To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM >Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... > > I forg

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
You should come to Brazil and see how the US helped torture thousands of people in Brazil at the time it supported our military dictatorship... A bite is nothing when compared with it... Marcio -Original Message- >From: mike >Sent: Sep 6, 2009 3:30 AM >To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.C

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
Funny, I lived in the USA for 30 years. You will not believe, I love the Post Office. I never had ONE problem with them. I think it is funny how conservative americans make the Post Office scapegoats... why don´t you mention the Armed Forces, National Security, and so many government agencies th

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
I lived and worked in the USA for 30 years. Can´t complain. Became a citizen. Love this Country. But in terms of health care I am perplexed how millionaire adds have brainwashed a lot of good Americans to believe that what they have now is good. And of course not to bother with the ones who don´

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
They will by popular pressure, as it happened in Canada. Read the history of the Medicare in Canada. Marcio -Original Message- >From: "Eric S. Sande" >Sent: Sep 6, 2009 1:35 AM >To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM >Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... > >>But Americans will alwwa

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Wright
> Everyone shots themselves in the foot sometimes. > > Sometimes better than others. > > The government is not perfect but neither are we. > > Capitalism is not perfect either. > > There are some things better handle under the capitalist strategy and > other things not. I find it odd that peop

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Wright
> Again very disingenuous. > > You can make a choice in housing very simply. You either find a > house within your income bracket or you move. > > Cant afford Steak, buy chicken and ground beef. > > Been there done that. You miss my point, Rev. I expect that of Tom, but you? We are being tol

Re: [CGUYS] [Fwd: Ubuntu 9.04 Installation]

2009-09-06 Thread Rob
On Sat, 2009-09-05 at 23:02 -0400, Vicky Staubly wrote: > On Sat, 5 Sep 2009, Rob wrote: > > I posted this on an Ubuntu Linux list I subscribe to earlier today but > > I've not yet gotten any useful responses. So, I thought I post it here > > on the chance someone may be able to help. Here's hopi

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Sure are you ready to pay .80 a letter? $20 package and give up Saturday delivery? You cannot tell the Post office what they are allowed to charge and then bitch about them losing money. The USPS must go before Congress for every rate hike and then they are limited on how much they can raise

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Everyone shots themselves in the foot sometimes. Sometimes better than others. The government is not perfect but neither are we. Capitalism is not perfect either. There are some things better handle under the capitalist strategy and other things not. Stewart At 10:15 AM 9/6/2009, you wrot

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I believe by law that the USPS is required to deliver mail to any residence or business no matter where they are located within the US and it's territories. I know of no other country where the mail service is run by private contractors? (By the way in Canada they do contract out the deliver

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Again very disingenuous. You can make a choice in housing very simply. You either find a house within your income bracket or you move. Cant afford Steak, buy chicken and ground beef. Been there done that. Health care is not so easy. Very often people are frozen out of health care because

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Not just the anti's. I saw a report some time ago how much had been contributed to the pro's in this whole debate. Money is flowing all over the place. Stewart At 09:57 AM 9/6/2009, you wrote: Because they own stock in these companies? I would wager that an awful lot of the anti-refor

Re: [CGUYS] MacFriendly webhost recommendation

2009-09-06 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Tom do you retain ownership of the sites? I have heard of some registration agents taking ownership of the site when they register and then you are held hostage in the process. You need to look closely. What is the URL for 1and 1? Stewart At 09:12 AM 9/6/2009, you wrote: Most hosts will a

Re: [CGUYS] Do Typographers Despise M$?

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Wright
> "The 2010 IKEA catalog, now arriving at doorsteps around the world, > reveals the company's choice to change all typography to the Microsoft > font..." > http://idsgn.org/posts/ikea-says-goodbye-to-futura/ Bingo! We have a winner. "IKEA spokeswoman Camilla Meiby responds to AP (Aug 31, 2009):

[CGUYS] Do Typographers Despise M$?

2009-09-06 Thread tjp
"The 2010 IKEA catalog, now arriving at doorsteps around the world, reveals the company’s choice to change all typography to the Microsoft font..." http://idsgn.org/posts/ikea-says-goodbye-to-futura/ * ** List info,

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread mike
Brilliant! Socialism is great till you run out of everyone elses money. On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 10:41 AM, TPiwowar wrote: > On Sep 6, 2009, at 11:45 AM Sep 6, mike wrote: > >> If gov't programs aren't supposed to make money, can we at least ask they >> don't LOSE so much? >> > > Simple. Just rai

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Chris Dunford
> Very true. Both sides have their agitators. > > I do think it's insane that some representatives have refused to give any > time to their constituents when that is the very reason they have a month > off. There is some merit to that point of view, but, at the same time, it seems like a town h

Re: [CGUYS] Vark

2009-09-06 Thread Richard P.
Maybe you need to put Tom in as part of your "circle of friends" : )) No, I haven't tried it yet as it looks a little too "public" for me. It looks like that there could be a substantial delay on when you get your answers, depending on when someone chooses to respond, much like this list. Richar

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread TPiwowar
On Sep 6, 2009, at 11:45 AM Sep 6, mike wrote: If gov't programs aren't supposed to make money, can we at least ask they don't LOSE so much? Simple. Just raise taxes. * ** List info, subscription management, list rul

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread mike
Very true. Both sides have their agitators. I do think it's insane that some representatives have refused to give any time to their constituents when that is the very reason they have a month off. What are we paying them for if they spend this month only with paying business leaders and not the

[CGUYS] Interesting insight...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Morris
What was that the sheep said in Animal Farm? Obaama good, republicans bd. Interesting insight...don't watch this if you are a narrow-minded zealot who refuses to let the facts stand in the way of your opinion. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W276ICvVAd4 ***

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Chris Dunford
> Yeah we got SEIU members shouting down and pushing people around so they > can't practice their constitutional free speech, so why should they be aloud > to carry any guns and practice that right either? Go Go Government! No comment on the right-wing shouters at the town halls preventing others

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread mike
You are right, he did not put it as I said it, I was being more tongue in cheek. However I did see the question/answer and he was definitely making a point that the USPS was not run well and got a chuckle from the audience. In Obama's words 'It's the post office that's always having problems' htt

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread mike
Yeah we got SEIU members shouting down and pushing people around so they can't practice their constitutional free speech, so why should they be aloud to carry any guns and practice that right either? Go Go Government! On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 5:50 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > On Sun, Sep 6, 20

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread mike
If gov't programs aren't supposed to make money, can we at least ask they don't LOSE so much? On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 12:04 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: >True, the post office certainly has on many occasions. >Does anyone really stop and think what the post office does on a > daily basis

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