Instead of second guessing what people might need or want, why not ask???
During install ask some simple questions:
You have installed a web server (apache), do you want it to start
automatically [yes] [no]
You have installed blah blah ...
Maybe with context sensitive help for each service
Pete wrote:
He had chosen an expert install and wanted to
know what packages he needed.
Windows doesn't even *have* an ``expert'' install!
He then asked me why everything was
installed by default,
The reasonable presumption is made that if you install something, you
want to run it.
On Thursday 08 March 2001 18:52, you wrote:
On Thursday 08 March 2001 05:26, you wrote:
Actually, I think its KDE thats bloated and resource hungry.
I have an AMD K6 350 with 64 megs of RAM,
give it KDE and netscape 6 and it goes so slowly I have
to check to make *certain* its not
On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Pete wrote:
snip
Here is my point:
This is the kind of mentality I am presented with most often. Oh, I know
operating systems, so I can do an expert install. What? There are
thousands of packages? Oh, well I have the hd space so I guess I will
install everything, and
So sprach Matias Griese am Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 05:56:22PM +0200:
BTW: why do I have wu-ftpd, proftpd (added by myself), tftp-server and
anonftp installed at the same time?
Don't get me wrong here, but this sentence is just a great example and aid
to what pranha (??) said: People don't get the
On Wednesday 07 March 2001 09:56, you wrote:
On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Prana wrote:
And in 8.0 there's an install option that asks them about what services
they want to run. For God's sake, they're Windows-convert users, how can
Like I said, the only question which I want to hear is:
"Do you like
Title: RE: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.2 + 8.0 bloated and resource hog!
One point. Dependencies. Different users use their computers for different
purposes.
One of the more frustrating things for a newbie is for some task not to work
on their freshly installed linux system because a service
On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Pixel wrote:
we don't think this as user-friendly. Either a server is useful and should be
enabled, or it is not and should not be installed (and the server must be kind
of hard to install).
It is *THIS* point that's important here. "Either a server is useful and
should
On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Pete wrote:
I definitely turn off "mon", as it usually has my system for lunch right
after the install. Another thing that slows performance initially are
things like slocate. I know that it is necessary to update the database
and that once the database is updated, the
Also, I had a problem when Mandrake Update (in 7.2), after
patching things, services which have already been turned off
are turned on again. I only need those services occasionaly
(such as xinetd) and I don't run it everytime.
I ran into this the other day. I couldn't believe it! I had
"Steve Wray" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Actually, I think its KDE thats bloated and resource hungry.
I have an AMD K6 350 with 64 megs of RAM,
64 mbytes is too little for 7.2 + kde2..
--
Guillaume Cottenceau - http://us.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
On 9 Mar 2001, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
"Steve Wray" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Actually, I think its KDE thats bloated and resource hungry.
I have an AMD K6 350 with 64 megs of RAM,
64 mbytes is too little for 7.2 + kde2..
Ehem, i'm using 7.2 with kde2 for quite a while now and it's
So sprach Prana am Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 12:13:18AM -0500:
See, even Pete installs Zope, nfs, heartbeat :-) And Pete doesn't want
to run it. Maybe he just wants to test it? So how come developer's
conclusion is: "If I want to install this RPM package, it means I want
to install it?" :-) And
On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Alexander Skwar wrote:
Don't get me wrong here, but this sentence is just a great example and aid
to what pranha (??) said: People don't get the namings. wu-ftpd kinda needs
Yes, that's true. It's been over a year when I last time used wu-ftpd.
At the time I had also anonftp
On Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:27:53 + (GMT)
Michael Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Pete wrote:
Another thing that slows performance initially
are things like slocate. I know that it is necessary to update the
database and that once the database is updated, the next update
So sprach Michael Brown am Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 09:27:53AM +:
Seconded - the initial slocate update can bring a machine to a virtual
halt for quite a long period of time, certainly long enough for a newbie
to (wrongly) conclude that "Linux is slow".
Granted - but when should be the 1st
Don,
I see this as a VERY SERIOUS issue that needs to be looked
into. RPM CAN NOT re-enable services that I've disabled!
Strongly agree !
There are some services that should be enabled by
default, in my opinion:
Workstation installs:
xfs, cups/lpd, crond, drakfont, gpm, harddrake,
Alexander Skwar wrote:
So sprach Prana am Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 12:13:18AM -0500:
See, even Pete installs Zope, nfs, heartbeat :-) And Pete doesn't want
to run it. Maybe he just wants to test it? So how come developer's
conclusion is: "If I want to install this RPM package, it means I want
So sprach Matias Griese am Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 05:04:05PM +0200:
Maybe I should have read the descriptions before claiming anything. But
still I have to ask: how many of you have diskless computers in your
home? In my opinion those rare used features should be left optional.
Sure, you should
On 03.09 Alexander Skwar wrote:
Mandrake secure and more responsive because I only want to run this
computer as a desktop for either workstation or development machine.
But then, this does not make sense to me. Why install and turn off?
It makes perfect sense to me, even from the
So sprach Joakim Bodin am Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 11:26:53PM +0100:
Some points that me irritates me about this atm.
1. Because I want to have a service installed but only run it once in a
while ?
Uhm, then turn it off, but...
2. I'm a newbie and press the big "install everything" button.
Alexander Skwar wrote:
Hmm, thinking about it - hmm, as Mandrake is targeted at the newbie kind of
user, I begin to think that even after an install, a service should default
to being turned off. Yes, it's beginning to make sense. If someone knows
that he wants something, than it's easier
Perfect example of this happened to me today. A friend of mine stated he
was tired of running a certain other operating system and wanted to try something
different. He knew I ran Linux and asked if I could help him install it.
I was busy, but gladly gave him my Mandrake 7.2 cd's. This friend is a
Alexander Skwar wrote:
Hmm, thinking about it - hmm, as Mandrake is targeted at the newbie kind of
user, I begin to think that even after an install, a service should default
to being turned off. Yes, it's beginning to make sense. If someone knows
that he wants something, than it's
On Sat, 10 Mar 2001, Alexander Skwar wrote:
Maybe I should have read the descriptions before claiming anything. But
Sure, you should have - but by not doing so, you just showed how "newbies"
would approach this. Mind you, I'm not calling you a newbie - I don't know
I don't mind because I have
Hi Pixel,
we don't think this as user-friendly. Either a server is useful and should be
enabled, or it is not and should not be installed (and the server must be kind
of hard to install).
If you want a comparison: in Windows 2000, terminal server, IIS server,
etc are not running by default,
--- Prana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hiya,
Did you guys read the review in ActiveWin.com about Linux Mandrake
7.2?
Since last year I've been saying "Turn off services by default" for
more
than 10 times. Now I read a review in ActiveWin.com about LM 7.2
being a
resource hog, and it's
Well... I think I should apologize to Pixel since I was too harsh about
turning network services off. I like Mandrake, it's an excellent
distro, and I hope the next version will be better, and I'll continue to
contribute more software to it (besides gnome-telnet
MandrakeUpdateRobot). Oh well,
On Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 07:02:21PM -0500, Prana wrote:
Hiya,
Did you guys read the review in ActiveWin.com about Linux Mandrake 7.2?
Since last year I've been saying "Turn off services by default" for more
than 10 times. Now I read a review in ActiveWin.com about LM 7.2 being a
resource
Prana [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hiya,
Did you guys read the review in ActiveWin.com about Linux Mandrake 7.2?
Since last year I've been saying "Turn off services by default" for more
than 10 times. Now I read a review in ActiveWin.com about LM 7.2 being a
resource hog, and it's true
On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Geoffrey Lee wrote:
On Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 07:02:21PM -0500, Prana wrote:
Hiya,
Did you guys read the review in ActiveWin.com about Linux Mandrake 7.2?
Since last year I've been saying "Turn off services by default" for more
than 10 times. Now I read a review in
applications. Its just a hunch tho.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Prana
Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2001 7:56 p.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Pixel
Subject: Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.2 + 8.0 bloated and resource hog!
Well... I think I should
Prana wrote:
Hiya,
Did you guys read the review in ActiveWin.com about Linux Mandrake 7.2?
Since last year I've been saying "Turn off services by default" for more
than 10 times. Now I read a review in ActiveWin.com about LM 7.2 being a
resource hog, and it's true because they're
On Thursday 08 March 2001 05:26, you wrote:
Actually, I think its KDE thats bloated and resource hungry.
I have an AMD K6 350 with 64 megs of RAM,
give it KDE and netscape 6 and it goes so slowly I have
to check to make *certain* its not running Windows!
64MB is tight. However, run
Ed Wilts wrote:
If you're installing as a desktop, all services should be off. If you're
installing as a server, then services might be considered to be on, but
xinetd not started by default. There is no reason to start services that are
not used. None. Repeat after me - do not start a
See, even Pete installs Zope, nfs, heartbeat :-) And Pete doesn't want
to run it. Maybe he just wants to test it? So how come developer's
conclusion is: "If I want to install this RPM package, it means I want
to install it?" :-) And how can I remember 2200 RPM packages? :-)
crond + anacron + xfs
Hiya,
Did you guys read the review in ActiveWin.com about Linux Mandrake 7.2?
Since last year I've been saying "Turn off services by default" for more
than 10 times. Now I read a review in ActiveWin.com about LM 7.2 being a
resource hog, and it's true because they're running a whole bunch of
Agree the security part of it here. Remember the Ramen worm? Most people
tend to make full installation, and did nothing to turn them off later,
and left it open to internet thinking that it's the most secure OS in the
world. Yes, a *VERY LARGE* portion of people's linux knowledge is like
this:
Prana [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[...]
Did you guys read the review in ActiveWin.com about Linux Mandrake 7.2?
Yeah.
Since last year I've been saying "Turn off services by default" for more
than 10 times. Now I read a review in ActiveWin.com about LM 7.2 being a
resource hog, and it's
On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Prana wrote:
Since last year I've been saying "Turn off services by default" for more
than 10 times. Now I read a review in ActiveWin.com about LM 7.2 being a
I agree. Last time I installed cooker (MDK8.0b) I had to turn most of
the services off. It was not enough, because I
"R.I.P. Deaddog" wrote:
Yes, a *VERY LARGE* portion of people's linux knowledge is like
this: "what is apache?"
Yes, and a *VERY LARGE* portion of people's Linux knowledge is like
this: "what is amd, dhcpd, heartbeat, ldirectord, lvs, portmap, xntpd,
xinetd?" . Those abbreviation really
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