Re: the usage of env

2024-07-19 Thread pyh
On 2024-07-20 06:25, Greg Wooledge wrote: I can not clearly understand for this statement. what's "future shell commands"? can you show an example? hobbit:~$ unset -v VAR hobbit:~$ VAR=bar; ./a.sh I am a.sh, and inside me, VAR=<>. hobbit:~$ echo "VAR=<$VAR>" VAR= OK I know that. $VAR can be

Re: the usage of env

2024-07-19 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 06:17:46 +0800, p...@gmx.it wrote: > $ VAR=foo ./a.sh > i can see VAR=foo I don't know what "see" means here. hobbit:~$ cat a.sh #!/bin/sh echo "I am a.sh, and inside me, VAR=<$VAR>." hobbit:~$ unset -v VAR hobbit:~$ VAR=foo ./a.sh I am a.sh, and inside me, VAR=.

Re: the usage of env

2024-07-19 Thread pyh
On 2024-07-20 05:56, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 05:46:23 +0800, p...@gmx.it wrote: $ VAR1=foo && ./a.sh $ export VAR2=foo; ./a.sh $ ./b.sh $VAR1 will be seen by a.sh only, but $VAR2 can be seen my current login session (such as b.sh). Am I right? I am a bit confused about

Re: the usage of env

2024-07-19 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 05:46:23 +0800, p...@gmx.it wrote: > $ VAR1=foo && ./a.sh > $ export VAR2=foo; ./a.sh > $ ./b.sh > > > $VAR1 will be seen by a.sh only, but $VAR2 can be seen my current login > session (such as b.sh). Am I right? I am a bit confused about env scope. If we assume NO other

Re: the usage of env

2024-07-19 Thread pyh
On 2024-07-20 00:07, Mike Castle wrote: In addition to what everyone else has said about env(1), there is the fact that Korn derived shells also supports some of the same features. env VAR1=foo VAR2=bar random-command VAR1=foo VAR2=bar random-command $ VAR1=foo && ./a.sh $ export VAR2=foo;

Re: OT: root y home. Vale la pena ponerlas en distintas particiones?

2024-07-19 Thread JavierDebian
El 19/7/24 a las 05:05, Raúl Armenta escribió: El vie, 19 jul 2024 a las 9:37, Camaleón () escribió: El 2024-07-18 a las 22:14 -0300, Marcelo Giordano escribió: Hola amigos. Abro este OT. Resulta que estoy por instalar un sistema nuevo. Siempre he divivido root y home pero nunca le he

Re: OT: root y home. Vale la pena ponerlas en distintas particiones?

2024-07-19 Thread Alejandro G. Sanchez Martinez
En 18/07/24 19:14, Marcelo Giordano escribió: Hola amigos. Abro este OT. Resulta que estoy por instalar un sistema nuevo. Siempre he divivido root y home pero nunca le he dado ningún uso. No me asusta tener que reinstalar todo de nuevo. Pienso que una instalación limpia saca errores. Por

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-19 Thread Halbrante
En fait, j'ai déjà fait la première partie mais ça n'a pas résolu le problème. La deuxième solution non plus, je n'arrive toujours pas à ouvrir une session graphique avec l'utilisateur jeff. Le 19/07/2024 à 21:40, NoSpam a écrit : Si tu arrives à te connecter en ssh sous l'utilisateur qui a

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-19 Thread Halbrante
Le fichier xcession_errors est juste une copie de sauvegarde du fichier du fichier .xcession_errors au moment où je tente d'ouvrir une session. L'utilisateur jeff est bien dans les groupes video et users jeff@desktop-DEBIAN:~$ grep jeff /etc/group cdrom:x:24:jeff floppy:x:25:jeff

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-19 Thread didier gaumet
Le 19/07/2024 à 21:03, Halbrante a écrit : Connecté en terminal ssh les fichiers d' l'utilisateur "jeff" lui appartiennent à 3 exceptions près : jjeff@desktop-DEBIAN:~$ ls -l [...] -rwxrw-rw-  1 root root  83912 18 juil. 00:15 xsession_errors [...] potentiellement la cause de ton souci

Re: Port utilisé mais PID/Program name vide

2024-07-19 Thread NoSpam
Le 19/07/2024 à 18:31, Jean-Marc a écrit : Le 19/07/24 à 16:29, NoSpam a écrit : Bonjour salut, sur une debian12 à jour j'ai netstat -6aupenl Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Adresse locale Adresse dist. Etat Util Inode PID/Pro udp6   0  0 :::50005   :::*   0    36398 - mais

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-19 Thread NoSpam
Si tu arrives à te connecter en ssh sous l'utilisateur qui a installé (jeff je suppose): sudo passwd saisie du mot de passe puis une seconde fois pour validation Vérifie aussi que le clavier est bien configuré dans la langue que tu désires et profites de la connexion en ssh pour faire un

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-19 Thread Halbrante
Les autres utilisateurs fonctionnent très bien en mode graphique et ils s'identifient parfaitement. Il n'y a que celui qui a été créé à l'installation pour qui l'ouverture de session ne fonctionne pas. En premier abord cela ressemble à une erreur dans l'identifiant d'utilisateur et/ou le mot

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-19 Thread Halbrante
Connecté en terminal ssh les fichiers d' l'utilisateur "jeff" lui appartiennent à 3 exceptions près : jjeff@desktop-DEBIAN:~$ ls -l total 304 drwxr-xr-x  2 jeff jeff   4096 16 juil. 23:46 Bureau drwxr-xr-x  2 jeff jeff   4096 29 juin  09:54 Documents drwxr-xr-x  2 jeff jeff   4096 29 juin 

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-19 Thread Halbrante
Oui, il y a assez de place semble t-il: jeff@desktop-DEBIAN:~$ df -h Sys. de fichiers Taille Utilisé Dispo Uti% Monté sur udev   3,8G   0  3,8G   0% /dev tmpfs  772M    3,4M  769M   1% /run /dev/sda2   23G    8,5G   14G  40% / tmpfs  3,8G   0 

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-19 Thread Klaus Becker
Je me corrige : # chown -R user /home/user Klaus

Re: umask - default user settings?

2024-07-19 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 23:04:25 +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > On 16/07/2024 20:46, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 23:39:54 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > Now we just need for GNOME users to discover a way to configure the > > > programs that are started as children of dbus, and

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-19 Thread Klaus Becker
Est ce que tes fichiers t'appartiennent ? ls -l /home/user Sinon & chown -R user /home/user En tty bien sûr Klaus

Re: OT: root y home. Vale la pena ponerlas en distintas particiones?

2024-07-19 Thread Listas
El jue, 18-07-2024 a las 22:14 -0300, Marcelo Giordano escribió: > Hola amigos. > > Abro este OT. Resulta que estoy por instalar un sistema nuevo. > Siempre > he divivido root y home pero nunca le he dado ningún uso.  Si nunca le has dado ningún uso... pues no creo que lo vayas a necesitar

Re: OT: root y home. Vale la pena ponerlas en distintas particiones?

2024-07-19 Thread Marcelo Giordano
Gracias por los aportes chicos. Todos y cada uno me han sido de gran ayuda. Saludos a la lista

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-19 Thread Cyrille
Bonsoir TU es sûr que l'espace disque est suffisant df -h ? Le Fri, 19 Jul 2024 19:00:57 +0200, Halbrante a écrit : > Bonjour a tous, > > J'ai installé la Debian 12 sur un mini PC HP Prodesk et tout se > passait bien jusqu'à un reboot suite auquel, il m'était impossible > d'ouvrir une

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-19 Thread ajh-valmer
Pilote carte graphique plus reconnu suite au passage vers le dernier noyau ? Donc boot en mode sans Xorg. On Friday 19 July 2024 19:00:57 Halbrante wrote: > J'ai installé la Debian 12 sur un mini PC HP Prodesk et tout se passait > bien jusqu'à un reboot suite auquel, il m'était impossible

Re: Fwd: using xorriso to create a bootable Linux ISO

2024-07-19 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Vijay Kirpalani wrote: > I am using xorriso to create a bootable Linux ISO and facing some issues. > Please suggest what i might be doing wrong or missing. I answered to your identical mail on bug-xorr...@gnu.org . See: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-xorriso/2024-07/msg3.html

DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-19 Thread Halbrante
Bonjour a tous, J'ai installé la Debian 12 sur un mini PC HP Prodesk et tout se passait bien jusqu'à un reboot suite auquel, il m'était impossible d'ouvrir une session graphique de l’utilisateur créé à l'installation du système : après avoir donné l'id et le mot de passe, l'écran revenait au

Re: Port utilisé mais PID/Program name vide

2024-07-19 Thread Jean-Marc
Le 19/07/24 à 16:29, NoSpam a écrit : Bonjour salut, sur une debian12 à jour j'ai netstat -6aupenl Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Adresse locale Adresse dist. Etat Util Inode PID/Pro udp6   0  0 :::50005   :::*   0    36398 - mais lsof -i -P -n | grep 50005 n'affiche aucune

Re: the usage of env

2024-07-19 Thread Mike Castle
In addition to what everyone else has said about env(1), there is the fact that Korn derived shells also supports some of the same features. env VAR1=foo VAR2=bar random-command VAR1=foo VAR2=bar random-command If running a Korn-like shell (ksh, bash, zsh), both would set the envvars VAR1 and

Re: umask - default user settings?

2024-07-19 Thread Max Nikulin
On 16/07/2024 20:46, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 23:39:54 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: Now we just need for GNOME users to discover a way to configure the programs that are started as children of dbus, and then we can move forward. Documentation would be my top priority. If

Re: Re: Kernel 6.9.9 (amd64) results in huge initrd / initramfs size

2024-07-19 Thread Celejar
Ash Joubert wrote: > On 2024-07-19 02:32, Celejar wrote: > > I'm currently on kernel 6.9.8 (amd64 / Sid). Installing 6.9.9 fails due to > running out of space on /boot: > update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-6.9.9-amd64 > zstd: error 70 : Write error : cannot write block

Re: Debian 12.6: Screen won't come back on if monitor is power cycled

2024-07-19 Thread debian-user
Johan Sjölin wrote: > On 7/17/24 23:30, Kent West wrote: > > > Try pressing a shift key a couple of times, and then blindly typing > > your user password. > My guess is that the screensaver/lock is > > wonky. > > Doesn't work. I don't use any screensaver or automatic screen lock. > >

Re: Why is Firefox crashing so much lately?

2024-07-19 Thread Gary Dale
On 2024-07-19 11:09, Gary Dale wrote: On 2024-07-19 10:42, The Wanderer wrote: On 2024-07-19 at 10:34, Gary Dale wrote: On 2024-07-18 09:52, Gary Dale wrote: Thanks for the tips guys, but I'm not going to switch to XFCE, I'm using an old AMD graphics card, it's a desktop machine, and the

Re: Why is Firefox crashing so much lately?

2024-07-19 Thread Gary Dale
On 2024-07-19 10:42, The Wanderer wrote: On 2024-07-19 at 10:34, Gary Dale wrote: On 2024-07-18 09:52, Gary Dale wrote: Thanks for the tips guys, but I'm not going to switch to XFCE, I'm using an old AMD graphics card, it's a desktop machine, and the problem isn't specific to PDFs - although

Re: Why is Firefox crashing so much lately?

2024-07-19 Thread The Wanderer
On 2024-07-19 at 10:34, Gary Dale wrote: > On 2024-07-18 09:52, Gary Dale wrote: >> Thanks for the tips guys, but I'm not going to switch to XFCE, I'm >> using an old AMD graphics card, it's a desktop machine, and the >> problem isn't specific to PDFs - although that seems to be one of >> the

Re: Why is Firefox crashing so much lately?

2024-07-19 Thread Gary Dale
On 2024-07-18 09:52, Gary Dale wrote: On 2024-07-17 21:25, Gary Dale wrote: I'm running Debian/Trixie on an AMD64 system, using the Plasma 5 over X desktop. Firefox 115.12.0esr is crashing multiple times per day. It frequently happens when page I'm transfers to another page that creates a PDF

Port utilisé mais PID/Program name vide

2024-07-19 Thread NoSpam
Bonjour sur une debian12 à jour j'ai netstat -6aupenl Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Adresse locale Adresse dist. Etat Util Inode PID/Pro udp6 0 0 :::50005 :::* 036398 - mais lsof -i -P -n | grep 50005 n'affiche aucune sortie Bien évidemment un progr utilise les ports

Re: Debian 12.6: Screen won't come back on if monitor is power cycled

2024-07-19 Thread Johan Sjölin
On 7/17/24 23:30, Kent West wrote: Try pressing a shift key a couple of times, and then blindly typing your user password. > My guess is that the screensaver/lock is wonky. Doesn't work. I don't use any screensaver or automatic screen lock. Whenever I power cycle the monitor, I get the

Re: the usage of env

2024-07-19 Thread The Wanderer
On 2024-07-19 at 09:02, Michel Verdier wrote: > On 2024-07-19, p...@gmx.it wrote: > >> $ perl -le 'for( keys %ENV ){print "$_ --> $ENV{$_}"}' |grep perl >> _ --> /usr/bin/perl >> >> the key for perl is "_" in environment variable? under this key, why >> 'env perl' just works? > > Perl $_ is the

Re: Remote desktop Debian -> ChromeBook

2024-07-19 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 15:33:40 +0300, Anssi Saari wrote: > I've mostly used VNC and x2go for Windows-to-Linux and Linux-to-Linux. > > VNC was and is: > - Solid and we actually use it at work too. > - Limited in the number of mouse buttons at some point to five, minor > but annoying. At the

Re: the usage of env

2024-07-19 Thread Michel Verdier
On 2024-07-19, p...@gmx.it wrote: > $ perl -le 'for( keys %ENV ){print "$_ --> $ENV{$_}"}' |grep perl > _ --> /usr/bin/perl > > the key for perl is "_" in environment variable? under this key, why > 'env perl' just works? Perl $_ is the current (unnamed) value of your loop "for". You could write

Re: the usage of env

2024-07-19 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, p...@gmx.it wrote: > I am not sure how 'env' command works. Read the output of man env > for example, what's the difference between '/usr/bin/perl' and 'env perl' ? Reading the man page i'd say it's the same difference as between "/usr/bin/perl" and "perl". I.e. the former runs

Re: Remote desktop Debian -> ChromeBook

2024-07-19 Thread Anssi Saari
Nicolas George writes: > Would perchance somebody here have already investigated a similar need > and be able to tell which solutions are the most promising in terms of > reliability and user experience. I've mostly used VNC and x2go for Windows-to-Linux and Linux-to-Linux. VNC was and is: -

Re: the usage of env

2024-07-19 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 20:12:14 +0800, p...@gmx.it wrote: > for example, what's the difference between '/usr/bin/perl' and 'env > perl' ? "env perl" searches your $PATH. > I know env may set a environment variable in system, so my question also > includes: env is used to *display* the current

the usage of env

2024-07-19 Thread pyh
Hello list, I am not sure how 'env' command works. for example, what's the difference between '/usr/bin/perl' and 'env perl' ? I know env may set a environment variable in system, so my question also includes: 1. where to see a shell environment variable? I tried 'echo $ENV' showing nothing.

Re: stty permanently undef "start"

2024-07-19 Thread Max Nikulin
On 12/07/2024 10:56, Max Nikulin wrote: I have a question opposite to the original one. Is it possible to disable xon for bash prompt, but enable it while foreground commands are running? I do not mind to use forward search in readline history. As to the original question, Emacs and Vim

Re: OT: root y home. Vale la pena ponerlas en distintas particiones?

2024-07-19 Thread Camaleón
El 2024-07-18 a las 22:14 -0300, Marcelo Giordano escribió: > Hola amigos. > > Abro este OT. Resulta que estoy por instalar un sistema nuevo. Siempre he > divivido root y home pero nunca le he dado ningún uso. No me asusta tener > que reinstalar todo de nuevo. Pienso que una instalación limpia

Debian Sid/Unstable is not a rolling user distro [WAS:Re: Kernel 6.9.9 (amd64) results in huge initrd / initramfs size]

2024-07-19 Thread didier gaumet
Le 19/07/2024 à 05:12, songbird a écrit : The Wanderer wrote: ... By taking on yourself the risk and burden of running sid, you are volunteering to be one of those who helps notice issues before they reach testing, and report those issues so that the machinery of the archive can stop the

Re: Debian Sid/Unstable is not a rolling user distro [WAS:Re: Kernel 6.9.9 (amd64) results in huge initrd / initramfs size]

2024-07-19 Thread didier gaumet
Le 19/07/2024 à 09:25, didier gaumet a écrit : [...] You are perfectly right: there is no contract and one i free to use which Debian distro one wants to... [...] typo error, sorry: You are perfectly right: there is no contract and one is free to use which Debian distro one wants to...

Re: VirtualBox (VB) and Windows on Debian

2024-07-19 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 8:33 PM wrote: > > On Wednesday, 17 July 2024 21:31:00 BST Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 16, 2024 at 1:35 PM jeremy ardley > wrote: > > > On 16/7/24 19:31, Tom Browder wrote: > > > > [...] > > > There are alternatives that include: > > > > > > - KVM/QEMU > > > > >

Re: Debian Sid/Unstable is not a rolling user distro [WAS:Re: Kernel 6.9.9 (amd64) results in huge initrd / initramfs size]

2024-07-19 Thread tomas
On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 10:07:14AM +0200, didier gaumet wrote: [...] > > One of the things I love Debian for. > > > > Cheers > > My bad, I do know the existence of the Debian social contract but have not > worded accurately enough what I wanted to say. I should have written > something like:

Re: Debian Sid/Unstable is not a rolling user distro [WAS:Re: Kernel 6.9.9 (amd64) results in huge initrd / initramfs size]

2024-07-19 Thread didier gaumet
Le 19/07/2024 à 09:43, to...@tuxteam.de a écrit : On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 09:25:22AM +0200, didier gaumet wrote: Le 19/07/2024 à 05:12, songbird a écrit : [...] You are perfectly right: there is no contract and one i free to use which Debian distro one wants to... Actually, there /is/ a

Re: OT: root y home. Vale la pena ponerlas en distintas particiones?

2024-07-19 Thread Raúl Armenta
El vie, 19 jul 2024 a las 9:37, Camaleón () escribió: > > El 2024-07-18 a las 22:14 -0300, Marcelo Giordano escribió: > > > Hola amigos. > > > > Abro este OT. Resulta que estoy por instalar un sistema nuevo. Siempre he > > divivido root y home pero nunca le he dado ningún uso. No me asusta tener >

Re: Debian Sid/Unstable is not a rolling user distro [WAS:Re: Kernel 6.9.9 (amd64) results in huge initrd / initramfs size]

2024-07-19 Thread tomas
On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 09:25:22AM +0200, didier gaumet wrote: > Le 19/07/2024 à 05:12, songbird a écrit : [...] > You are perfectly right: there is no contract and one i free to use which > Debian distro one wants to... Actually, there /is/ a contract: https://www.debian.org/social_contract

Re: VirtualBox (VB) and Windows on Debian

2024-07-18 Thread George at Clug
On Friday, 19-07-2024 at 10:15 s...@swampdog.co.uk wrote: > On Wednesday, 17 July 2024 21:31:00 BST Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 16, 2024 at 1:35 PM jeremy ardley > wrote: > > > On 16/7/24 19:31, Tom Browder wrote: > > > > I haven't looked at VB in a long time, but I have a real need

Re: umask - default user settings?

2024-07-18 Thread songbird
Max Nikulin wrote: > On 19/07/2024 04:11, songbird wrote: >>so far, agreed, i poked at it a bit the other day to see >> if MATE would work with the roughly (user-@1000,etc) systemd >> unit approach but that didn't accomplish anything i could tell. > > It would be great if those, who tried it,

Re: Kernel 6.9.9 (amd64) results in huge initrd / initramfs size

2024-07-18 Thread songbird
The Wanderer wrote: ... > By taking on yourself the risk and burden of running sid, you are > volunteering to be one of those who helps notice issues before they > reach testing, and report those issues so that the machinery of the > archive can stop the package versions which those issues from

Re: OT: root y home. Vale la pena ponerlas en distintas particiones?

2024-07-18 Thread Fernando C. Estrada
El jueves, 18 de julio de 2024 a las 7:14 PM, Marcelo Giordano escribió: > Abro este OT. Resulta que estoy por instalar un sistema nuevo. Siempre > he divivido root y home pero nunca le he dado ningún uso. No me asusta > tener que reinstalar todo de nuevo. Pienso que una instalación limpia >

Re: web site displays blank page

2024-07-18 Thread Max Nikulin
On 19/07/2024 00:17, Russell L. Harris wrote: CHEWY is a large nation-wide outfit.  I suspect the trouble is with RTA, because of frequent freezes when viewing a certain news website, while all other streams are uninterrupted with my 10/1 service from RTA. Some web sites are rather aggressive

Re: umask - default user settings?

2024-07-18 Thread Max Nikulin
On 19/07/2024 04:11, songbird wrote: so far, agreed, i poked at it a bit the other day to see if MATE would work with the roughly (user-@1000,etc) systemd unit approach but that didn't accomplish anything i could tell. It would be great if those, who tried it, reported more precise what

Re: web site displays blank page

2024-07-18 Thread Russell L. Harris
I'm having this problem on an increasing number of web sites; I suspect that web page building tools are becoming more and more hostile toward any browsers except for the anointed few (Edge and Chrome, plus Safari for the Mac folks). I once had a W7P machine which helped me check such matters,

OT: root y home. Vale la pena ponerlas en distintas particiones?

2024-07-18 Thread Marcelo Giordano
Hola amigos. Abro este OT. Resulta que estoy por instalar un sistema nuevo. Siempre he divivido root y home pero nunca le he dado ningún uso. No me asusta tener que reinstalar todo de nuevo. Pienso que una instalación limpia saca errores. Por lo cual tengo pensado hacer una instalación con

Re: VirtualBox (VB) and Windows on Debian

2024-07-18 Thread sd
On Wednesday, 17 July 2024 21:31:00 BST Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Tue, Jul 16, 2024 at 1:35 PM jeremy ardley wrote: > > On 16/7/24 19:31, Tom Browder wrote: > > > I haven't looked at VB in a long time, but I have a real need for a > > > Windows host > > > to port some Linux libraries to Windows

Re: Remote desktop Debian -> ChromeBook

2024-07-18 Thread Paul van der Vlis
Op 18-07-2024 om 23:20 schreef Nicolas George: Hi. I want to display a desktop and applications running on a Debian box on the screen and keyboard of a ChromeBook. Over LAN+WLAN mostly, but if it can also work more remotely in degraded mode it would be nice. I see various options to try: VNC

Re: Kernel 6.9.9 (amd64) results in huge initrd / initramfs size

2024-07-18 Thread Ash Joubert
On 2024-07-19 02:32, Celejar wrote: I'm currently on kernel 6.9.8 (amd64 / Sid). Installing 6.9.9 fails due to running out of space on /boot: update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-6.9.9-amd64 zstd: error 70 : Write error : cannot write block : No space left on device E: mkinitramfs

Re: Kernel 6.9.9 (amd64) results in huge initrd / initramfs size

2024-07-18 Thread The Wanderer
On 2024-07-18 at 10:32, Celejar wrote: > Hello, > > I'm currently on kernel 6.9.8 (amd64 / Sid). Installing 6.9.9 fails due to > running out of space on /boot: > > * > update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-6.9.9-amd64 > zstd: error 70 : Write error : cannot write block : No space

Re: Remote desktop Debian -> ChromeBook

2024-07-18 Thread Nicolas George
Xiyue Deng (12024-07-18): > I have been using Chrome Remote Desktop[1] for a few years, and it has > been very reliable. Everything is handled through a web page so you > need not install anything in the Android subsystem. Recently (about a > year actually) it added support for pipewire so sound

Re: Re: Kernel 6.9.9 (amd64) results in huge initrd / initramfs size

2024-07-18 Thread Celejar
The Wanderer wrote: > On 2024-07-18 at 13:50, Celejar wrote: > > > Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > >> This is not the place for debugging Sid, I'm afraid, there are too > >> few > > > > It's not? Where, then, is the place for debugging Sid? > > I'm no longer anything *close* to an expert in this

Re: Remote desktop Debian -> ChromeBook

2024-07-18 Thread Xiyue Deng
Nicolas George writes: > Hi. > > I want to display a desktop and applications running on a Debian box on > the screen and keyboard of a ChromeBook. Over LAN+WLAN mostly, but if it > can also work more remotely in degraded mode it would be nice. > > I see various options to try: VNC with a native

Re: umask - default user settings?

2024-07-18 Thread songbird
Greg Wooledge wrote: ... > It only becomes *hard* when Desktop Environments are introduced into the > picture. so far, agreed, i poked at it a bit the other day to see if MATE would work with the roughly (user-@1000,etc) systemd unit approach but that didn't accomplish anything i could tell.

Re: Kernel 6.9.9 (amd64) results in huge initrd / initramfs size

2024-07-18 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 18 Jul 2024 13:47 -0400, from cele...@gmail.com (Celejar): >> I don't mean this to be snarky, but that desire seems incompatible >> with running Debian sid. I honestly think it's an unreasonable >> expectation to want official guides for every transitory broken >> state in a development tree. >

Re: Kernel 6.9.9 (amd64) results in huge initrd / initramfs size

2024-07-18 Thread The Wanderer
On 2024-07-18 at 13:50, Celejar wrote: > Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: >> This is not the place for debugging Sid, I'm afraid, there are too >> few > > It's not? Where, then, is the place for debugging Sid? I'm no longer anything *close* to an expert in this area (having not run sid myself in well

Remote desktop Debian -> ChromeBook

2024-07-18 Thread Nicolas George
Hi. I want to display a desktop and applications running on a Debian box on the screen and keyboard of a ChromeBook. Over LAN+WLAN mostly, but if it can also work more remotely in degraded mode it would be nice. I see various options to try: VNC with a native Android client, VNC with a client

Re: Why is Firefox crashing so much lately?

2024-07-18 Thread mick.crane
getting elderly is brilliant. After getting everything just nice, experienced several system crashes. "I'll install the nvidia driver and see if that fixes it." Then I remember why I tried to remove the nvidia driver. an upgrade caused X to refuse to start. Install No3 and halfway through making

Re: Nvidia chipsets and Debian 12 [WAS Re: Why is Firefox crashing so much lately?]

2024-07-18 Thread Gary Dale
On 2024-07-18 13:51, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 10:41:50AM -0700, Van Snyder wrote: On Thu, 2024-07-18 at 07:55 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: HOW did you upgrade? Did you go via 11? Fresh install on reformatted boot and root partitions. OK I can't do that with my

Re: web site displays blank page

2024-07-18 Thread cgibbs
On 2024-07-18, Russell L. Harris wrote: > When I try to visit www.chewy.com a blank page. This is a major pet > supply web site. Other web sites display as usual without problems. > I phoned CHEWY and they say their system is on-line. > > I have tried two different computers and both

Re: Why is Firefox crashing so much lately?

2024-07-18 Thread Gary Dale
On 2024-07-18 09:52, Gary Dale wrote: On 2024-07-17 21:25, Gary Dale wrote: I'm running Debian/Trixie on an AMD64 system, using the Plasma 5 over X desktop. Firefox 115.12.0esr is crashing multiple times per day. It frequently happens when page I'm transfers to another page that creates a PDF

Re: Nvidia chipsets and Debian 12

2024-07-18 Thread Felix Miata
Andrew M.A. Cater composed on 2024-07-18 17:51 (UTC): > So just use Nouveau already on a ~15 year old laptop. FTR, technically not a good recommendation. Nouveau has multiple meanings. Employing each individual meaning generally is suboptimal, as it includes the "reverse-engineered,

Re: Re: Re: Kernel 6.9.9 (amd64) results in huge initrd / initramfs size

2024-07-18 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 13:50:21 -0400, Celejar wrote: > Really? I had the impression that lots of list subscribers / readers > run Sid. Are there statistics on this? Nah, sid users are just louder, on average. Stable users don't have as much to talk about, because our stuff just works. ;-)

Nvidia chipsets and Debian 12 [WAS Re: Why is Firefox crashing so much lately?]

2024-07-18 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 10:41:50AM -0700, Van Snyder wrote: > On Thu, 2024-07-18 at 07:55 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > > HOW did you upgrade? Did you go via 11? > > > Fresh install on reformatted boot and root partitions. > OK > > > I can't do that with my old Dell Vostro 1700

Re: Re: Re: Kernel 6.9.9 (amd64) results in huge initrd / initramfs size

2024-07-18 Thread Celejar
Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 03:42:30PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 11:35:15AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > > I'd rather not mess around with stuff I don't really understand > > > without an official guide to the process. > > > > I don't

Re: Re: Re: Kernel 6.9.9 (amd64) results in huge initrd / initramfs size

2024-07-18 Thread Celejar
Andy Smith wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 11:35:15AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > I'd rather not mess around with stuff I don't really understand > > without an official guide to the process. > > I don't mean this to be snarky, but that desire seems incompatible > with running Debian

Re: Why is Firefox crashing so much lately?

2024-07-18 Thread Van Snyder
On Thu, 2024-07-18 at 07:55 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 08:00:06PM -0700, Van Snyder wrote: > > On Wed, 2024-07-17 at 22:17 -0400, e...@gmx.us wrote: > > > On 7/17/24 21:25, Gary Dale wrote: > > > > I'm running Debian/Trixie on an AMD64 system, using the Plasma > > >

Re: dyndns

2024-07-18 Thread Lamourec Alain
Sur la box Free, on a la possibilité de configurer directement le dyndns, no-ip ou ovh "ajh-valmer" writes: On Thursday 18 July 2024 11:25:41 Michel Verdier wrote: Le 17 juillet 2024 RogerT a écrit : > Avez-vous une expérience réussie pour monter un service > dyndns > sur un serveur

Re: Re: Kernel 6.9.9 (amd64) results in huge initrd / initramfs size

2024-07-18 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 03:42:30PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 11:35:15AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > I'd rather not mess around with stuff I don't really understand > > without an official guide to the process. > > I don't mean this to be snarky, but that desire

Re: web site displays blank page

2024-07-18 Thread Russell L. Harris
On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 08:14:26AM -0400, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 7/18/24 02:06, Russell L. Harris wrote: My ISP is RTA.?? I am in a rural area near Austin, Texas, and have a 10/1 microwave link.?? Could the problem be with RTA? It's probably a routing issue between you and them. Or maybe

Re: Re: Kernel 6.9.9 (amd64) results in huge initrd / initramfs size

2024-07-18 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 11:35:15AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > I'd rather not mess around with stuff I don't really understand > without an official guide to the process. I don't mean this to be snarky, but that desire seems incompatible with running Debian sid. I honestly think it's an

Re: Re: Kernel 6.9.9 (amd64) results in huge initrd / initramfs size

2024-07-18 Thread Celejar
Dan Ritter wrote: > Celejar wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I'm currently on kernel 6.9.8 (amd64 / Sid). Installing 6.9.9 fails due to > > running out of space on /boot: > > ... > > > I'm not sure why I'm hitting this now - did Debian just change > > something? Is anyone else hitting this? Is

Re: Why is Firefox crashing so much lately?

2024-07-18 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2024-07-17 21:25 -0400, Gary Dale wrote: > I'm running Debian/Trixie on an AMD64 system, using the Plasma 5 over > X desktop. Firefox 115.12.0esr is crashing multiple times per day. It > frequently happens when page I'm transfers to another page that > creates a PDF or just has a complicated

Re: Kernel 6.9.9 (amd64) results in huge initrd / initramfs size

2024-07-18 Thread Dan Ritter
Celejar wrote: > Hello, > > I'm currently on kernel 6.9.8 (amd64 / Sid). Installing 6.9.9 fails due to > running out of space on /boot: ... > I'm not sure why I'm hitting this now - did Debian just change > something? Is anyone else hitting this? Is this documented somewhere? > Is there a

Kernel 6.9.9 (amd64) results in huge initrd / initramfs size

2024-07-18 Thread Celejar
Hello, I'm currently on kernel 6.9.8 (amd64 / Sid). Installing 6.9.9 fails due to running out of space on /boot: * update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-6.9.9-amd64 zstd: error 70 : Write error : cannot write block : No space left on device E: mkinitramfs failure zstd -q -9 -T0 70

Re: web site displays blank page

2024-07-18 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 10:06 AM Dan Ritter wrote: > > e...@gmx.us wrote: > > On 7/18/24 02:06, Russell L. Harris wrote: > > > My ISP is RTA. I am in a rural area near Austinn, Texas, and have a > > > > 10/1 microwave link. Could the problem be with RTA? > > > > It's probably a routing issue

Re: Cookie (&/or JavaScript) issue? - was [Re: web site displays blank page

2024-07-18 Thread Richard Owlett
On 07/18/2024 08:13 AM, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 7/18/24 08:23, Richard Owlett wrote: On 07/18/2024 01:16 AM, Alain D D Williams wrote: On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 06:06:05AM +, Russell L. Harris wrote: When I try to visit www.chewy.com a blank page.  This is a major pet supply web site.  Other

Re: web site displays blank page

2024-07-18 Thread Dan Ritter
e...@gmx.us wrote: > On 7/18/24 02:06, Russell L. Harris wrote: > > My ISP is RTA.  I am in a rural area near Austinn, Texas, and have a > 10/1 > > microwave link.  Could the problem be with RTA? > > It's probably a routing issue between you and them. Or maybe "delivery > content network"

Re: Why is Firefox crashing so much lately?

2024-07-18 Thread Gary Dale
On 2024-07-17 21:25, Gary Dale wrote: I'm running Debian/Trixie on an AMD64 system, using the Plasma 5 over X desktop. Firefox 115.12.0esr is crashing multiple times per day. It frequently happens when page I'm transfers to another page that creates a PDF or just has a complicated link. It's

Re: web site displays blank page

2024-07-18 Thread Richard Owlett
On 07/18/2024 07:14 AM, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 7/18/24 02:06, Russell L. Harris wrote: My ISP is RTA.  I am in a rural area near Austinn, Texas, and have a > 10/1 microwave link.  Could the problem be with RTA? It's probably a routing issue between you and them. Or maybe "delivery content

Re: Cookie (&/or JavaScript) issue? - was [Re: web site displays blank page

2024-07-18 Thread eben
On 7/18/24 08:23, Richard Owlett wrote: On 07/18/2024 01:16 AM, Alain D D Williams wrote: On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 06:06:05AM +, Russell L. Harris wrote: When I try to visit www.chewy.com a blank page.  This is a major pet supply web site.  Other web sites display as usual without problems.

Cookie (&/or JavaScript) issue? - was [Re: web site displays blank page

2024-07-18 Thread Richard Owlett
On 07/18/2024 01:16 AM, Alain D D Williams wrote: On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 06:06:05AM +, Russell L. Harris wrote: When I try to visit www.chewy.com a blank page. This is a major pet supply web site. Other web sites display as usual without problems. I phoned CHEWY and they say their system

Re: web site displays blank page

2024-07-18 Thread eben
On 7/18/24 02:06, Russell L. Harris wrote: My ISP is RTA.  I am in a rural area near Austinn, Texas, and have a > 10/1 microwave link.  Could the problem be with RTA? It's probably a routing issue between you and them. Or maybe "delivery content network" (That's what it's called, right? A

Re: web site displays blank page

2024-07-18 Thread mindaugas
Hello. Site works fine here (Firefox 128.0) On 7/18/24 14:24, Roger Price wrote: On Thu, 18 Jul 2024, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 02:27:39 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: Russell L. Harris composed on 2024-07-18 06:06 (UTC): Would someone kindly verify that chewy.com is

Re: web site displays blank page

2024-07-18 Thread Roger Price
On Thu, 18 Jul 2024, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 02:27:39 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: Russell L. Harris composed on 2024-07-18 06:06 (UTC): Would someone kindly verify that chewy.com is accessible? https://www.chewy.com/ looks normal from FL in Chromium: Works for me in

Re: web site displays blank page

2024-07-18 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 02:27:39 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > Russell L. Harris composed on 2024-07-18 06:06 (UTC): > > Would someone kindly verify that chewy.com is accessible? > > https://www.chewy.com/ looks normal from FL in Chromium: Works for me in Google Chrome.

Re: dyndns

2024-07-18 Thread ajh-valmer
On Thursday 18 July 2024 11:25:41 Michel Verdier wrote: > Le 17 juillet 2024 RogerT a écrit : > > Avez-vous une expérience réussie pour monter un service dyndns > > sur un serveur debian ? > > (J’ai trop de problèmes de connexion aux services gratuits comme > > no-ip.com) > Free permet d'avoir

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