Re: Widget or not Widget? [Was Re: Addons for OFBiz]

ke a element that I can easily > link to an FTL template without going through Java or XSD files. > > my 2 cents. > > Taher Alkhateeb > > - Original Message - > > From: "Jacques Le Roux" > To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org > Sent: Saturday, 16 M

Re: Widget or not Widget? [Was Re: Addons for OFBiz]

, 16 May, 2015 10:38:50 AM Subject: Re: Widget or not Widget? [Was Re: Addons for OFBiz] Le 16/05/2015 04:09, Ean Schuessler a écrit : >> From: "Jacques Le Roux" >> Subject: Widget or not Widget? [Was Re: Addons for OFBiz] >> Actually maybe I'm misunderstanding

Re: Widget or not Widget? [Was Re: Addons for OFBiz]

Le 16/05/2015 04:09, Ean Schuessler a écrit : From: "Jacques Le Roux" Subject: Widget or not Widget? [Was Re: Addons for OFBiz] Actually maybe I'm misunderstanding you and I also want to clarify with everybody. I will try to be brief and right to the point! Do you (we) want

Re: Widget or not Widget? [Was Re: Addons for OFBiz]

> From: "Jacques Le Roux" > Subject: Widget or not Widget? [Was Re: Addons for OFBiz] > Actually maybe I'm misunderstanding you and I also want to clarify with > everybody. I will try to be brief and right to the point! > > Do you (we) want to replace the widge

Re: Widget or not Widget? [Was Re: Addons for OFBiz]

There has been interest lately in using a REST interface to the OFBiz service engine - so the UI can be pure client-side JavaScript, and the UI is updated dynamically using XML or JSON calls to the REST API. That design would be a huge task, but it could create a truly impressive UI. I will ref

Re: Widget or not Widget? [Was Re: Addons for OFBiz]

I agree with the "gem" ranking level at which widgets are placed and find it a worthy effort to convert as much FTL to widgets as possible because widgets extremely faster to interpret than FTL files. However, sometimes the framework has to be extended to support all of the FTL features which adds

Re: Widget or not Widget? [Was Re: Addons for OFBiz]

Thanks both for clarifying, exactly my thoughts, happy we are on the same page :) More (different) opinions? Jacques Le 14/05/2015 13:53, Pierre Smits a écrit : Several issues have been registered recently to migrate specific ftl functions to widgets. And patches have been attached. These jus

Re: Widget or not Widget? [Was Re: Addons for OFBiz]

Several issues have been registered recently to migrate specific ftl functions to widgets. And patches have been attached. These just need a review and get committed. Yes, the use of ftl functionality is overwhelming. Even when it is not needed at all. E.g. defining standard screenlet functionalit

Re: Widget or not Widget? [Was Re: Addons for OFBiz]

Hi Community I have not been able to continue the work on the bootstrap theme for the past few months now and therefore resisted the urge to comment on various threads in the mailing list about matters related. So maybe apologies are in order. Having said that, these are my thoughts: 1. The UI,

Re: Widget or not Widget? [Was Re: Addons for OFBiz]

Below are some, but this question is more to shake things a bit and know what people think I think everybody will agree that the Entity Engine is the gem of this project, follows the Service Engine. I believe, though less polished, the widgets are 3rnd, but that's only my opinion and I'd really

Re: Widget or not Widget? [Was Re: Addons for OFBiz]

But what are the proposals? Where can these be found? Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM * Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:14 AM, Jacques Le Roux < jacques.le

Widget or not Widget? [Was Re: Addons for OFBiz]

Actually maybe I'm misunderstanding you and I also want to clarify with everybody. I will try to be brief and right to the point! Do you (we) want to replace the widgets by something like Ean and Anil proposed many times, or do we want to improve them using these new tools? Jacques Le 13/05/2

Re: Addons for OFBiz

Looks like i missing something here again... :-) if you do not like a theme and you do not want to contribute, copy the theme, rename and modify it. Regards, Hans On 13/05/15 20:04, Julien NICOLAS wrote: Hello Pierre, Le 13/05/2015 12:35, Pierre Smits a écrit : For what it is worth, the

Re: Addons for OFBiz

I do not really see the advantage of this, can you please elaborate on this? Regards, Hans On 13/05/15 17:21, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: On May 13, 2015, at 12:16 PM, Sharan Foga wrote: We do have another Community Day coming up again next month (21st June) so it could be used as a co-ordinat

Re: Addons for OFBiz

Pierre, There are several solutions not modifying the core system when modifying a service: 1. we create a new service calling the standard service and do the modifications before or after it. 2. if there are many changes, copy the whole service to the new component rename it and modify it. 3

Re: Addons for OFBiz

Le 13/05/2015 16:35, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : Le 13/05/2015 15:04, Julien NICOLAS a écrit : Hello Pierre, Le 13/05/2015 12:35, Pierre Smits a écrit : For what it is worth, the BOOTSTRAP_theme dev branch is a other way to enhance the user experience. Unfortunately the work is not done yet. Th

Re: Visual Themes (was: Addons for OFBiz)

Thanks Adrian for bringing the progress back to our attention. It is appreciated. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM * Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 5:02 PM,

Visual Themes (was: Addons for OFBiz)

Here is a summary of the current Visual Theme implementation (so we are all on the same page): I introduced a feature in the bootstrap branch (then ported to trunk) that allows a visual theme to specify its own templates for rendering. This allows a theme to generate any HTML flavor it require

Re: Addons for OFBiz

Le 13/05/2015 16:35, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : Le 13/05/2015 15:04, Julien NICOLAS a écrit : Hello Pierre, Le 13/05/2015 12:35, Pierre Smits a écrit : For what it is worth, the BOOTSTRAP_theme dev branch is a other way to enhance the user experience. Unfortunately the work is not done yet. The

Re: Addons for OFBiz

Le 13/05/2015 15:04, Julien NICOLAS a écrit : Hello Pierre, Le 13/05/2015 12:35, Pierre Smits a écrit : For what it is worth, the BOOTSTRAP_theme dev branch is a other way to enhance the user experience. Unfortunately the work is not done yet. The problem is that the GUI is a demo GUI. Then all

Re: Addons for OFBiz

Hello Pierre, Le 13/05/2015 12:35, Pierre Smits a écrit : For what it is worth, the BOOTSTRAP_theme dev branch is a other way to enhance the user experience. Unfortunately the work is not done yet. The problem is that the GUI is a demo GUI. Then all the time you spend to solve all GUI problems,

Re: Addons for OFBiz

For what it is worth, the BOOTSTRAP_theme dev branch is a other way to enhance the user experience. Unfortunately the work is not done yet. The same goes for enhancing the various xsd files (and associated java functions and ftl scripts) to bring OFBiz widgets up to par with HTML5, CSS3 etc. OFBiz

Re: Addons for OFBiz

On May 13, 2015, at 12:16 PM, Sharan Foga wrote: > We do have another Community Day coming up again next month (21st June) so it > could be used as a co-ordinated effort to try and achieve this move of > application components into one place. (Feedback from the last community day > survey said

Re: Addons for OFBiz

Hi I think I put together some diagrams about this topic to move the application components and there was some discussion but I dont think anything was agreed. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Roadmap+Diagrams+-+In+Progress We can look at using the diagrams as a base for dis

Re: Addons for OFBiz

I think due to lack of support so perhaps this could help as a base otherwise we could start again from scratch (or use Julien's model so far ). Thanks Sharan -- View this message in context: http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/Addons-for-OFBiz-tp4668063p4668065.html Sen

Re: Addons for OFBiz

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Re: Addons for OFBiz

Le 13/05/2015 10:31, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit : A minor note: I think that Jacques is using the word "concurrent" for "competitor". It is quite easy for me to understand the meaning because we have a similar one in Italian (as I guess in French): "concorrente". :-) Right, from Latin indeed h

Re: Addons for OFBiz

Jacques, very interesting analysis, thank you. Jacopo On May 13, 2015, at 10:26 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > Hi Julien, > > Actually it's a very important topic. OFBiz indeed misses from the start a > way to include extensions in a snap. OFBiz was created in 2001, then > components was see

Re: Addons for OFBiz

A minor note: I think that Jacques is using the word "concurrent" for "competitor". It is quite easy for me to understand the meaning because we have a similar one in Italian (as I guess in French): "concorrente". :-) Jacopo On May 13, 2015, at 10:26 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > Hi Julien, >

Re: Addons for OFBiz

On May 13, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Julien NICOLAS wrote: > Problem is, I want to enhance OFBiz functional part (GUI, Theme, user > experience, etc.) but It's really difficult to share it with the community > because it must be included in the whole project and it's hard to share your > work. Hi Ju

Re: Addons for OFBiz

Hi Julien, Actually it's a very important topic. OFBiz indeed misses from the start a way to include extensions in a snap. OFBiz was created in 2001, then components was seen as a way to introduce extensions. And it did not work too bad, see we are still there :). Then microservices was not a

Re: Addons for OFBiz

Hello Hans, Le 13/05/2015 09:48, Hans Bakker a écrit : Julien, It can be that i do not understand your point. When we implement OFBiz for a customer we create a new component in hot-deploy and we re-use as much from the OFBiz system as we can. We also create new components like GrowERP which

Re: Addons for OFBiz

Hi Hans, At Néréide we use the same way as you explain except that some time we have to do modifications in OFBiz core to slightly change one service because there is an error or the process is not exactly what we need. In this case we have to isolate these modifications so that they can be a

Re: Addons for OFBiz

Julien, It can be that i do not understand your point. When we implement OFBiz for a customer we create a new component in hot-deploy and we re-use as much from the OFBiz system as we can. We also create new components like GrowERP which is just a component in Hot-deploy. When we do that we al

Re: Addons for OFBiz

Hi all, I was hopping more people will explain on this subject. It's exactly what I was thinking, that the functional part is less than the last priority of the project. I don't know exactly how I can do it but I really want to start something that will use OFBiz as a framework. If it can be d

Re: Addons for OFBiz

Adam, I must admit that it's really hard for me to follow you. If you want people to join the effort you should try to convince them, pick them up where they are, just do some marketing for your ideas. If you have the big picture in your mind, share it with us. And take critical questions as

Re: Addons for OFBiz

Adam, How does your work on refactoring OFBiz fit with your interest in a Moqui PoC? Do you think that with your work there would not be a need to add in Moqui in order to resolve the inadequacies that you find? Are you open to the idea that it will be better to use Moqui in some way and not need

Re: Addons for OFBiz

On 05/07/2015 11:02 AM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: On May 7, 2015, at 5:32 PM, Adam Heath wrote: ... and Jacopo's own graphs have shown ofbiz in decline(namely, the number of commits to the project). I completely disagree with your analysis. Well, that's a wonderfully informative response.

Re: Addons for OFBiz

On May 7, 2015, at 5:32 PM, Adam Heath wrote: > ... and Jacopo's own graphs have shown ofbiz in decline(namely, the number of > commits to the project). I completely disagree with your analysis. Jacopo

Re: Addons for OFBiz

On 05/07/2015 09:42 AM, Julien NICOLAS wrote: Hi Adam, I'm not talking about how to do it but to answer the question : is the community want to do it ? Is the community want to maintain only a framework and not an ERP ? Split the project in several part. Maven could be a solution, but be

Re: Addons for OFBiz

Hi Adam, I'm not talking about how to do it but to answer the question : is the community want to do it ? Is the community want to maintain only a framework and not an ERP ? Split the project in several part. Maven could be a solution, but before choosing a solution, we must be sure that i

Re: Addons for OFBiz

On 05/07/2015 05:48 AM, Julien NICOLAS wrote: I see a lot of debate about adding new functionality that allow to improve development, compile, manage sources, merge with another framework, but the debate on the division of project extensions seems not to interest. It seems to me extremely imp

Re: Addons for OFBiz

I agree with Julien's analysis. If I say "sub-projects" again, Jacques will whack me upside the head but I really think that a restructuring of the way the architecture is presented and developed would provide a number of benefits: - increase community involvement with less work for the current

Re: Addons for OFBiz

d help as a base otherwise we could start again from scratch (or use Julien's model so far ). Thanks Sharan -- View this message in context: http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/Addons-for-OFBiz-tp4668063p4668065.html Sent from the OFBiz - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: Addons for OFBiz

Hi Julien, thank you for bringing this up! I don't think that this is of no interest in the community, it's just overlaid by the many other topics we are discussing currently. I personally think that all topics are worth to be discussed and elaborated, maybe they have to be prioritised a litt

Addons for OFBiz

Hello All, Since I work on the bootstrap theme in OFBiz, I have many thoughtful, carefully read the ofbiz community exchanges and spoke with some members of the OFBiz community. Today I am convinced that the OFBiz project is a framework that is not intended to be an ERP. Its OOTB user interfac