JimC;212637 Wrote:
> Actually, the tracks sold on the Apple iTunes Music Store have at the
> username and e-mail address of the purchaser embedded in them (this is
> for -both- DRM and non-DRM tracks). You can see part of the story
> here:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yty75n
>
> The EFF speculates t
Timothy Stockman;212618 Wrote:
> ...You're right that we have always been on the honor system to erase
> all copies when we sold the token. But, with non-DRM downloads we're
> REALLY on the honor system, because so far as I can see, there's no way
> for the copyright holders to even know who, ot
JimC;212519 Wrote:
> It's not the RIAA, it's Congress, and no one cares about the CD. The CD
> merely represents the license you have to listen to the music you
> purchased on that medium. When you purchase music online, with or
> without DRM, the file represents the license granted to you by t
Harry G;212564 Wrote:
> I beg to differ. I don't think you will find any reference to any such
> thing as civil crime. Wikipedia has an pretty good explanation.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime
>
> Think of slander. Its actionable but not a crime.
You're correct. I was sloppy in phrasing t
JimC;212540 Wrote:
> Civil crimes are still crimes, just classed differently.
I beg to differ. I don't think you will find any reference to any such
thing as civil crime. Wikipedia has an pretty good explanation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime
Think of slander. Its actionable but not a crim
Skunk;212527 Wrote:
> I think the Betamax* case would protect the analog backup for personal
> time shifting, but I would have let it go if people didn't keep posting
> :-)
>
> Another guess is that as long as we're not violating the DMCA by
> circumventing control mechanisms in our ripping, tha
adamslim;212538 Wrote:
> No, importantly incorrect. Stealing a CD denies the record store of a
> product that they could sell. Sharing music illegally denies the
> copyright holder their revenue stream only; if the recipient of the
> music was never going to buy it, no-one has actually lost any
JimC;212519 Wrote:
> I am simply pointing out that in the U.S. it is illegal to do and people
> who would NEVER walk into a store and steal a CD seem to have no problem
> doing exactly the same thing online. No moral/ethical judgment there,
> just the facts.
No, importantly incorrect. Stealing
JimC;211733 Wrote:
> The reality is that there's no specific grant of rights to make an MP3
> (or FLAC or OGG, etc) copy, just as there was no specific grant to make
> a tape copy of an LP to play in your car.
I think the Betamax* case would protect the analog backup for personal
time shifting,
JJZolx;212498 Wrote:
> No, the convenience factor goes far beyond that. Playing custom
> playlists, random files, using it as an alarm. The same thing people
> have been doing with computers and digital music files for the last 10
> years or so. Where the Squeezebox fits in is being able to ge
adamslim;212504 Wrote:
> Ah, if only we could pay what we thought it was worth. Maybe that's why
> bittorrent is so popular...
Well, yeah. At the risk of stating the obvious, we pay what we AND the
seller agree it is worth, whether the seller is new shrink wrapped
retail or 2nd-hand. And if the
Timothy Stockman;212513 Wrote:
> Apparently the RIAA, at least as demonstrated by their actions, feels
> that one has to have the CD in their possesion to be allowed to play
> the sounds from that CD.
It's not the RIAA, it's Congress, and no one cares about the CD. The
CD merely represents the
I asked about this a few months ago. I hoped to know before giving a
bunch of flac files to a friend in law enforcement.
While there are a plethora of software engineers here, not one lawyer
spoke up. It ended up a morality thread.
Did a bunch of web research. In spite of those FBI warnings on
Apparently the RIAA, at least as demonstrated by their actions, feels
that one has to have the CD in their possesion to be allowed to play
the sounds from that CD. XM Satellite Radio has a huge hard disk music
library and they made an explicit agreement with the RIAA to broadcast
the music over t
aubuti;212496 Wrote:
> I don't know the legalisms, but I think the artist, label, etc. are
> considered as getting their full cut on the initial sale. Subsequent
> re-sales (a) defray the cost to the original buyer who decides the disc
> is worth something less than the full price, and (b) allow
brjoon1021;212495 Wrote:
> I don't know... I guess I am pretty disappointed with the way all of
> this unfolds.
None of this should be news to anyone. You act like you just dicovered
that you need to put gas in the new car you bought.
> It seems to basically boil the purchase price of such a d
so if someone steals your cd then you legally don't own the music
anymore and if you own a record (music) store you can copy whatever you
have in stock since you technically own all the music.
--
drewe181
http://www.last.fm/user/drewe181/
---
brjoon1021;212472 Wrote:
> Geez, so legally, if one buys a used CD, rips it and then sells the CD
> to a used CD store, the ripped copy on the hard disk should be deleted,
> no ?
Yes, that's right. And same applies for buying a new CD.
> I wonder if CD and DVD resale is a bit shady too then beca
I don't know... I guess I am pretty disappointed with the way all of
this unfolds. It seems to basically boil the purchase price of such a
device only gets one the privilege of not having to get up to change a
CD (which you MUST be in the possession of to be listening to its
music). I am not THAT
brjoon1021;212472 Wrote:
> Geez, so legally, if one buys a used CD, rips it and then sells the CD
> to a used CD store, the ripped copy on the hard disk should be deleted,
> no ?
>
> I wonder if CD and DVD resale is a bit shady too then because one is
> purchasing the right to listen to the musi
Geez, so legally, if one buys a used CD, rips it and then sells the CD
to a used CD store, the ripped copy on the hard disk should be deleted,
no ?
I wonder if CD and DVD resale is a bit shady too then because one is
purchasing the right to listen to the music (what we determined is the
thing bei
JimC;211733 Wrote:
>
> It's the big pink elephant that no one wants to talk about.
Yeah it's probably off topic anyway.
Thanks for the reply though, and I'll also take the time to thank Slim
Devices for their support of 'the EFF' (http://www.eff.org/about/),
hoping it continues :-)
--
S
brjoon1021;211694 Wrote:
> Thanks for your responses. I am now regretting my recent purchase of a
> Squeezebox a little, bought it yesterday. I am not going to steal and I
> don't have many CDs.
>
You shouldn't regret the purchase, and will probably learn to love the
thing. Honestly, I don't se
"brjoon1021"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> As for why would I rip trash, well, it is standard practice and always
> has been in the recording industry to put a couple of hits on a crappy
> record to sell the whole thing. So, if there are two great songs that
>
"brjoon1021"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> so if you know something I don't
> know about how I can get lossless music from my squeezebox without
> having to buy CD after CD for the few good songs on them, please shed
> some light. I bought a squeezebox for FLAC n
brjoon1021;211694 Wrote:
> Thanks for your responses. I am now regretting my recent purchase of a
> Squeezebox a little, bought it yesterday. I am not going to steal and I
> don't have many CDs.
Two things. First, there is a 30 day return policy, so sleep on it a
little more and then make up your
Skunk;211676 Wrote:
> Even that requires authorization from the copyright holders, no? I was
> under the impression that we were only 'allowed' to make analog tape
> copies, and that "The making of back up copies for personal use has
> never been held to be a per se noninfringing use. 2003 Rec. a
brjoon1021;211694 Wrote:
> waste a lot of time trying to find it in used CD stores which ends up
> being more expensive due to lost time
You can get used CDs online these days. I have pretty obscure tastes,
but Amazon has the used version of what I'm looking for about half the
time. Typically
Pale Blue Ego wrote:
> Well, there's always internet radio.
Not in the US if the RIAA keeps bribing Congress and the
administration's bodies.
Good thing the folks in Washington are too clueless to notice that I
listen to Jazz out of France.
--
Pat
http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/sli
Well, there's always internet radio.
--
Pale Blue Ego
Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110
View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36487
___
Thanks for your responses. I am now regretting my recent purchase of a
Squeezebox a little, bought it yesterday. I am not going to steal and I
don't have many CDs.
As for why would I rip trash, well, it is standard practice and always
has been in the recording industry to put a couple of hits on
brjoon1021;211642 Wrote:
> For example:
> 1. CDs your friends or family paid for are illegal for you to rip even
> with their permission ?
First, I am not a lawyer nor do I play one on television. But this
one's pretty simple. If the friends or family paid for it and gave it
to you as a gift, the
JimC;211643 Wrote:
> The contention for allowing an MP3 or other copy made is that it is a
> "fair use" of a work for which you have been granted -- through the
> process of purchase -- a right to use.
Even that requires authorization from the copyright holders, no? I was
under the impression
>but I feel guilty.<
That feeling reduces after the first 100 rips :)
--
amcluesent
amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286
View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.ph
For the UK perspective, I don't think it is legal to rip music at all.
Check this out: http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/
> Acts that are allowed
>
> Fair dealing is a term used to describe acts which are permitted to a
> certain degree without infringing the work, these acts are:
>
brjoon1021;211642 Wrote:
> I am one of those tender consciouses that tries to tow the line if I
> can. So, I was wondering, are the laws for music recorded on CD
> basically such that you can ONLY rip CDs that YOU paid for? I am
> referring to American laws...
>
> For example:
> 1. CDs your frie
I am one of those tender consciouses that tries to tow the line if I
can. So, I was wondering, are the laws for music recorded on CD
basically such that you can ONLY rip CDs that YOU paid for? I am
referring to American laws...
For example:
1. CDs your friends or family paid for are illegal for y
37 matches
Mail list logo
