adyc;364623 Wrote:
Sorry if it has been asked before. I have a large collection of
classical music. The title of each track is pretty long and cannot be
displayed in one line. How can we display the track in 2 or 3 lines
rather than 1 line?
So far: not.
How many characters would you need?
Just brilliant. Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant.
Well done pippin!
The only thing left is playing locally via stream.mp3, so I don't have
to switch to a different streaming app, and I know that's on your
list.
Al
--
bat400
pippin;364627 Wrote:
So far: not.
How many characters would you need?
Is this just tracks or also albums?
Typical track title is like: Violin Sonata in D Op.12 No.1 I. Allegro
con brio. Sometimes it can be even longer. It would be good if it can
automatically wrap it 2 or 3 lines if
adyc;364645 Wrote:
Typical track title is like: Violin Sonata in D Op.12 No.1 I. Allegro
con brio. Sometimes it can be even longer. It would be good if it can
automatically wrap it 2 or 3 lines if necessary.
Yes, this is basically what I mentioned was my biggest problem with the
app in a
Everything seems to work, only one or two crashes so far.
If your taking any dev requests I would love to be able to chose what
icons are on the bottom, I would like to have my favorites only one
click away at all times.
--
Tkosh
mherger;364127 Wrote:
Are you sorting locally? You shouldn't ;-)
Gimme index info and I will happily stop sorting...
Wait a moment... that means I have to read the data twice... hmmm
Do you remember the bug number?
Of course I do:
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6609
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6609
Yours :-)
there's also this one:
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4633
Hmmm... these are about the broken page bar. Little related to the CLI
queries you're using?
Michael
___
discuss
mherger;364135 Wrote:
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6609
Yours :-)
there's also this one:
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4633
Hmmm... these are about the broken page bar. Little related to the CLI
queries you're using?
Michael
Read my comments.
So, Pippin, tell us: are you rich yet? ;-)
cheers,
Nick.
--
DeVerm
DeVerm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18104
View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55514
After a day? Are you kidding ;-)
--
pippin
---
see iPeng at penguinlovesmusic.com
pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777
View this thread:
Husted;363876 Wrote:
hmm.. hard to say but my guess would be more than one minute. I'll
delete my server and try again.
iPeng does find my server, it's just really slow at times.
But iPeng still crashes Springboard. It seems like iPeng is hanging so
hard that a watchdog kicks in a does the
SJobson;364153 Wrote:
1. Could we have the option to browse by year please?
Err..well..yes. Will do that some day, nobody asked so far... maybe one
of the next releases, it's quite simple
2. Random playlist would be great - however, it would need to respect
my Squeezecentre settings
Husted;364150 Wrote:
iPeng does find my server, it's just really slow at times.
But iPeng still crashes Springboard. It seems like iPeng is hanging so
hard that a watchdog kicks in a does the Springboard reset.
When iPeng hangs nothing will allow me to regain control over the
iPhone.
pippin;364154 Wrote:
If even skipping causes hangs I suspect something is seriously wrong
with your IP stack.
All other program seems to behave correctly, wouldn't it be odd that
iPeng would be the only program to trigger an error in the iPhones
internals? I cannot be the only one with a
hi pippin,
another query for you (you must be exhausted fielding all these support
questions!) - for albums which span multiple discs and have discnumber
tags, would it be possible to enhance the albums screen to insert a
divider between different discs eg Disc 1, Disc 2 etc?
really enjoying
bodajmac;364166 Wrote:
hi pippin,
another query for you (you must be exhausted fielding all these support
questions!)
@Pippin:
Maybe it's time for you to enhance pinguinlovesmusic site with a FAQ
and a bugtracker with enhancement/wishlist category ;) (I vote for
random play in the
I love it :) I was only using the iPeng web app very occasionally
because I found it too slow, but this solves that problem at a stroke.
It's also the first app I've ever paid for.
Couple of queries:
1. Could we have the option to browse by year please?
2. Random playlist would be great -
vrobin;364195 Wrote:
@Pippin:
Maybe it's time for you to enhance pinguinlovesmusic site with a FAQ
and a bugtracker with enhancement/wishlist category ;) (I vote for
random play in the wishlist)
Robin
Yes, I'll open up the trac site, which has a bugtracker.
Just need some time for all
So I saw some posts about Rhapsody, the thing with this is that some
Rhapsody items (and some on other services) have multiple functions.
You can either play an album, or navigate into it for more details such
as the track listing, album reviews, etc. Press-and-hold to play works
in this case
I read a few comments about sorting in the presence of ALBUMSORT tags. I
have a more basic issue - my album names aren't in order. I don't have
any ALBUMSORT tags, and although they all seem to be grouped by first
character properly (so all the A's are together, etc) - beyond that
it's random.
radish;364207 Wrote:
I read a few comments about sorting in the presence of ALBUMSORT tags. I
have a more basic issue - my album names aren't in order. I don't have
any ALBUMSORT tags, and although they all seem to be grouped by first
character properly (so all the A's are together, etc) -
andyg;364204 Wrote:
So I saw some posts about Rhapsody, the thing with this is that some
Rhapsody items (and some on other services) have multiple functions.
You can either play an album, or navigate into it for more details such
as the track listing, album reviews, etc. Press-and-hold to
This sounds like the problem I'm having (worked fine on first launch at
home; launched again outside my slimserver wifi area and now won't work
anymoere) but the forget server option isn't resetting like my first
launch.
App displays no player connected and quits automatically. Only if I
stop my
pippin;364212 Wrote:
Is it random beyong the first character or beyond the first word?
The latter is a known error, I already fixed that for the next version.
Looks like just after the first word, thanks!
--
radish
andyg;364204 Wrote:
So I saw some posts about Rhapsody, the thing with this is that some
Rhapsody items (and some on other services) have multiple functions.
You can either play an album, or navigate into it for more details such
as the track listing, album reviews, etc. Press-and-hold to
Hey, Pippin -
I have to join the general chorus of praise for iPeng. I've noticed a
weird album sorting issue - for instance, the 'Have A Nice Day' series
gets broken up in the album view instead of appearing together as a
bloc, but I assume that will get sorted out. The method of selecting a
leehammond;364229 Wrote:
This sounds like the problem I'm having (worked fine on first launch at
home; launched again outside my slimserver wifi area and now won't work
anymoere) but the forget server option isn't resetting like my first
launch.
App displays no player connected and quits
lanierb;364238 Wrote:
This is how mine works too. The thing I don't understand about these
comments is how it's any different from the way the local library
works. For the local library it's the same isn't it? Clicking an
album descends and touch and hold plays. What am I missing?
The
pippin;364244 Wrote:
The difference is, that on the local library the lowest level is
tracks and has some logic on how to play those.
Ah, I see. So if you're used to going down to tracks and then clicking
(instead of press and hold), it won't work while in Rhapsody because
that just calls up
Husted;364192 Wrote:
Anyway, I'll try to update the SqueezeCenter to latest release, open up
my firewall etc.
Answering my own question. Clearing the database and doing a complete
scan removed all my problems. iPeng is now working as expected.
--
Husted
The app itself is beautifully designed, so clearly that isn't true. I
still dig the single penguin, but the contest sounds like fun.
pippin;364244 Wrote:
Yes. I hate it, too. Looks like I'm pretty uncapable as a designer.
I found the single penguin avatar as too removed from the subject thus
Played with the app för a few hours and everything worked just fine.
Then I added missing cover art to a few albums and rebuilt SC library.
The new covers were still missing in album view bit showed up on the
now playing screen
Flushed the iPeng cache and now all artwork is missing from album
pippin;364064 Wrote:
not yet
Err... no?
Can you reproduce it?
Nevermind. For some strange reason my squeezecenter playlist contained
a playlist of all my albums. I have deleted the playlist and flushed
iPeng's cache.
I do have another question. If I browse by artist album and I press
on
pippin;364155 Wrote:
Err..well..yes. Will do that some day, nobody asked so far... maybe one
of the next releases, it's quite simple
Will come..
I second that!
--
laohu
laohu's Profile:
laohu;364320 Wrote:
Nevermind. For some strange reason my squeezecenter playlist contained a
playlist of all my albums. I have deleted the playlist and flushed
iPeng's cache.
I do have another question. If I browse by artist album and I press
on the album icon it does not play the first
pippin;364244 Wrote:
Yes. I hate it, too. Looks like I'm pretty uncapable as a designer.
I found the single penguin avatar as too removed from the subject thus
the change.
I will start an icon design contest on penguinlovesmusic.com in a few
days.
Surely a penguin looking into the horn
pippin;364328 Wrote:
- could be that the shuffle on NowPlaying is turned on. You can check
that by clicking onto the big cover on NowPlaying. If the shuffle icon
is blue, it's on. You can toggle that icon (has 3 states)
- have you gone down to the track view, where Shuffle shows up next
to
Lesu;364332 Wrote:
Surely a penguin looking into the horn of a phonograph is the only
solution!
Definitely!
But can you DRAW that? I obviously can not...
laohu;364333 Wrote:
That did the trick. Thanks!
BTW: I personally like a white background better than the light blue.
Not a big
Update: I got iPeng running again by playing music with regular remotes
and then turned on iPeng again -- It discovered my players and worked
normally. Also after I turned everything off again and powered up with
iPeng it found the players and works great.
As far as the other questions:
1)Wifi
I just downloaded it today and am having lots of problems.
If I stay on the Now Playing screen it lasts about 20 seconds before it
crashes, and if I go back to look at albums it lasts about 2 seconds.
I am guessing there is something in my list of songs/albums etc which
is causing problems, but
EnochLight;363740 Wrote:
Greetings Pippin!
I bought iPeng last night for my 1G iPhone. I like it so far, but I
seem to be having an issue with the play mode and Rhapsody. I can't
seem to play Rhapsody playlists or songs - it just seems to add them
onto my existing playlist.
Not sure
Great app! I'm really impressed that you've got it working so perfectly
right out of the gate!
Can you add player sleep functionality?
--
sotie
sotie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17277
View
pippin;363728 Wrote:
panos_k75;363717 Wrote:
1. Browsing Genres[genre]All Albums makes iPeng complain that it
can't connect to my server.
Yep it happens all the time. Not sure why is that, as everything else
works fine.
2. It would be nice if text was scrolling to display
Don't know if it's been pointed out but there is a spelling error in
settings/inhibit pushout. You missed an e in element. Just so you
know for next time. I love the app and it's working well with my 1700
albums. Thanks again Pippen.
--
Nonreality
-IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO
Hopefuly i will have an iPhone or touch in the new year. By then i hope
it will do wake on lan, can't use it without WOL.
Well done though mate.
--
autopilot
*Lounge :* Squeezebox Classic - Cambridge Audio Azur 640a - Mission
701's.
*Bedroom :* Squeezebox Receiver - Trends TA10.1 Class-T -
pippin;363683 Wrote:
OK, those artwork issues will be fixed on the first upgrade release.
I don't fully understand what's happening, though. I DO request 75x75
images from the server and, yes, after that I assume I got that format
(in album view). I've never seen the server returning
Hi Good job,been using your skin since May last year which i really
liked other than the slowness issue but by going native that has
certainly fixed it.Good thing I read through the posts last night as I
was having the same issue as Itlan(really bad lagging problem)I have a
collection of 6700 cds
AndyWright;363835 Wrote:
I think I may have found a small problem - I'm using the Prevent Sleep
Mode to keep the display alive all the time, however after a few
minutes (maybe 15 or 20), the iPhone or iPod (I've tried both) drop
their wireless connection. In the case of the iPhone it reverts
Having used the skin a little in the past, I am very excited about how
quick and smooth this app works.
Is it possible to save the current playlist? My memory says that was
possible with the skin, but I can't seem to figure out how with the
app.
Thanks - Byron
--
MichAg92
Lesu;363843 Wrote:
I have been finding exactly the same thing. I choose a Genre, say Blues,
the Blues list is displayed with 'All Albums' at the top of the list.
Select 'All Albums' ( is the symbol displayed at the top right) and
it always comes back with the message 'Cannot connect to
Currently I'm not so impressed by iPeng.
1) It didn't find my server automatically as other has reported.
Entering the IP address of my server (192.168.1.120:9000) helped.
2) A minute or two after it found my server it crashed and I was
returned to springboard.
3) Restarting iPeng and it
I'll test this.
Maybe iPhone has it's own timer to shut down the connection after a
while.
iPeng DOES continuously communicate, though so it SHOULD stay on.
But the fact that it doesn't happen when docked points to it, too,
since there are a few power saving features that are disabled when
3) Restarting iPeng and it seemed to work, switching to Album view and
the album arts starts to download. But the artwork is in odd sizes and
is overlapped each other. iPeng froze and I had to a hard reset.
Please enable debugging for artwork (in SC: Settings/Advanced/Logging) and
upload a
Husted;363866 Wrote:
3) Restarting iPeng and it seemed to work, switching to Album view and
the album arts starts to download. But the artwork is in odd sizes and
is overlapped each other. iPeng froze and I had to a hard reset.
Are you using .bmp album art? That seems to be not fully
Lesu;363819 Wrote:
I have done some more research into the album art display fault. It
narrows down to embedded art which is .bmp.
Squeezecenter also exhibits a problem with this artwork, but slightly
differently. When I go into album list for the offending track, I
notice that,
autopilot;363804 Wrote:
Hopefuly i will have an iPhone or touch in the new year. By then i hope
it will do wake on lan, can't use it without WOL.
Currently testing this.
Will be easier as soon as I can debug on the device again, the $$$ 2.2
SDK update screwed that (I can RUN stuff on the
MillmoorRon;363844 Wrote:
Yes, I have experienced this too!
Need to restart iPeng to fix it.
Glad I'm not the only one :)
Pippin - just a thought, would it be possible to have a timer to blank
the screen (to save battery) and use the iPhone's motion sensor to wake
the screen?
--
I think I may have found a small problem - I'm using the Prevent Sleep
Mode to keep the display alive all the time, however after a few
minutes (maybe 15 or 20), the iPhone or iPod (I've tried both) drop
their wireless connection. In the case of the iPhone it reverts to the
gprs or Edge symbol,
Lesu;363843 Wrote:
I have been finding exactly the same thing. I choose a Genre, say Blues,
the Blues list is displayed with 'All Albums' at the top of the list.
Select 'All Albums' ( is the symbol displayed at the top right) and
it always comes back with the message 'Cannot connect to
Hi, just a quick note to autopilot and anyone else interested, if you
don't want to wait for Wake on Lan to be part of Ipeng (or squidgy for
that matter), then there is a wake on lan app in the Itunes store.
Its called IWOL, and in the UK its £1.98. Works well for me, I can turn
on the
mherger;363872 Wrote:
3) Restarting iPeng and it seemed to work, switching to Album view
and
the album arts starts to download. But the artwork is in odd sizes
and
is overlapped each other. iPeng froze and I had to a hard reset.
Please enable debugging for artwork (in SC:
panos_k75;363717 Wrote:
my comments:
Very good first attempt. It needs to be polished a little though:
1. Browsing Genres[genre]All Albums makes iPeng complain that it
can't connect to my server.
P.
I have been finding exactly the same thing. I choose a Genre, say
Blues, the Blues
In ipeng, when I select an artist and it shows me all the albums, with
small artwork, I noticed I also get in this listing an album that does
not contain this artist (but the artist IS in the composer field as the
composer of the song. This seems like an odd result. This is a FLAC
file. p.s. In
pippin;363859 Wrote:
Actually, to me that looks like a bug in the server
How do you mean?
--
panos_k75
panos_k75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18149
View this thread:
Pipping, did some more testing and it appears to be a cache issue.
Taking advice I saw earlier in this thread that once artwork is loaded
you know the cacheing is done I saw the following:
When I just browse into a genre, say Genre - reggae ... it joins gets
cached and as long as I stay in that
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lesu View Post
I have been finding exactly the same thing. I choose a Genre, say
Blues, the Blues list is displayed with 'All Albums' at the top of the
list. Select 'All Albums' ( is the symbol displayed at the top right)
and it always comes back with the message
panos_k75;363910 Wrote:
How do you mean?
I mean that I think I use the currect query, as it is in the
documentation, but if I DON'T specify an artist, I get an error message
from the server.
I belive that's a server bug.
Itlan;363912 Wrote:
Now that I have played with surfgin across all
Yes, true. There is a setting that would pull in composer, conductor,
band/orchestra under all artist's listing. But in SC I've not selected
this option (and SC is behaving as expected, i.e., not doing this). It
seems that iPeng is NOT following the SC setting. Not a big deal, but
thought I'd
garym;363946 Wrote:
Yes, true. There is a setting that would pull in composer, conductor,
band/orchestra under all artist's listing. But in SC I've not selected
this option (and SC is behaving as expected, i.e., not doing this).
Hm, but iPeng has no influence on this. It queries the albums
I've been reading this forum for some years now, but after downloading
your ipod app, I had to register just to say thanks. I've encounterd a
few snags with the app and will report them when I can reproduce them,
but all in all I just wanted to say thanks. This app is what I have
been waiting for
It's the most I've paid for any app from the store, but also the most
valuable app (MVA).
Quick comment:
I prefer to use the album view to scan through my music database (which
is paltry compared to others) because I like to see the small album
graphics. But I don't like the fact that the
I've been working with iPeng for the last day, and here's a tip for
those with Jailbroken iPhones/iPods.
If you get Backgrounder from the Cydia repository, send iPeng into the
background, and when you go to it every time, it won't have the
startup delay that you have when you run iPeng - no
OK, I finally got around to those Rhapsody screen shots. See attached
photos.
+---+
|Filename: ipeng5.jpg |
|Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6318|
tjm000;363973 Wrote:
It's the most I've paid for any app from the store, but also the most
valuable app (MVA).
Quick comment:
I prefer to use the album view to scan through my music database (which
is paltry compared to others) because I like to see the small album
graphics. But I
plympton;363975 Wrote:
If you get Backgrounder from the Cydia repository, send iPeng into the
background, and when you go to it every time, it won't have the
startup delay that you have when you run iPeng - no re-caching,
syncing, etc.
I'm looking for a double-tap replacement. Best I
I always browse my music by Genre and then all albums and never had
any problems with the SBC.
I also noticed that browsing the playlists looks very nice with
artwork, artist and album information...wouldn't it possible to make
the player queue look the same? or at least give us the option? I
lanierb;363983 Wrote:
Here's also some from Pandora. (Pandora's album art seems to be
slightly lower res.)
Cool! Thanks!
Could you mail me the full scale shots? Coolio att
penguinlovesmusic.com
One more thing: for Pandora, does that rename station feature work?
--
pippin
---
see iPeng
Re: Pandora album art... most of Pandora's album art is really high res
now (they did this for their own iPhone app). You probably just got a
bad one. Rhapsody is the lowest-res of all the music services, at
170x170.
--
andyg
pippin;363984 Wrote:
Artists-All Albums
pippin,
I have artistsort tags in my collection so that 'David Bowie' appears
under 'B' not 'D' in my Artists Library. iPeng doesn't seem to pick
this up?
The native app is great... Thanks much!!
--
atlslim
Hi Pippin,
Great app! A major step forward compared to the plugin version!
So far there is only issue I found, and it is the same one as the one I
reported here:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=321691#post321691. When
I use my soundbridge tuned to slimserver, the skip function
Agree with current positive reviews - great stuff.
Comments:
1) so far while playing with it I have accidentally nuked a
painstakingly assembled playlist because I forgot to hit the toggle
switch which changes it to 'add to playlist mode'. Can that toggle be
made to stick between usage
Agree with Adhir's experiences almost completely - so very exciting,
intricate and feature rich user experience. After twenty or so minutes
I felt like I had figured most of the important stuff out That's a tall
order for many people, but I think we agree the target isn't
/completely/ the
This app is fantastic so far, although there are plenty of things I'm
hoping for in future versions. I have installed in on my iPhone and
iPod Touch.
Pippin, I don't know if this is possible, but let's say I am using
iPeng on my iPhone. Could there possibly be a setting to have the
current
atlslim;364012 Wrote:
pippin,
I have artistsort tags in my collection so that 'David Bowie' appears
under 'B' not 'D' in my Artists Library. iPeng doesn't seem to pick
this up?
The native app is great... Thanks much!!
No. SqueezeCenter doesn't return it.
This has been a big issue
cakes;364013 Wrote:
Hi Pippin,
So far there is only issue I found, and it is the same one as the one I
reported here: [url]http://forums.slimdevices.com
I will have to dig into this. I asked the question on how to handle
this on the forum a few times but never really got a good answer.
Great application! Worth every cent IMO.
Question: is it possible to save a playplist or can I only do this in
Squeezecenter?
Do you know why I see a full list of all my albums if I click
playlists?
--
laohu
laohu's
laohu;364062 Wrote:
Great application! Worth every cent IMO.
Question: is it possible to save a playplist or can I only do this in
Squeezecenter?
not yet
Do you know why I see a full list of all my albums if I click
playlists?
Err... no?
Can you reproduce it?
--
pippin
---
see
hi pippin
I have just downloaded ipeng from app store.
I have formely used the web based ipeng and are impressed by all the
functions (but not the speed)
Regaarding the new native version:
Here is my first impression and suggestions for updates.
Connect to server was easy...
First missing
pippin;363934 Wrote:
I mean that I think I use the currect query, as it is You COULD query
all, but that would take time. Lots of it.
I honestly don't think thats a bad idea at all. I'd much rather plug
the phone in and have it do a 45 minute or 1 hour library scan versus
having to
Caad;364068 Wrote:
Please reply, I could have made something wrong...
Maybe.
Have you read help?
For me this looks like you were either in ADD (+) or ADD NEXT
mode (||) wheres to do what you want you need to be in PLAY mode
(|)
I think that's the only thing you really have to understand about
Itlan;364073 Wrote:
I honestly don't think thats a bad idea at all. I'd much rather plug the
phone in and have it do a 45 minute or 1 hour library scan versus having
to intermediately build the DB as I use the system.
No. The freezing is an issue and issues have to be fixed, not fudged.
pippin;364002 Wrote:
One more thing: for Pandora, does that rename station feature work?
Yes, it works as expected. Type in a new name and next time you load
the Your Stations page the station will be renamed. The only
slightly unexpected thing is that when the keyboard pops up to enter
lanierb;364078 Wrote:
Yes, it works as expected. Type in a new name and next time you load
the Your Stations page the station will be renamed. The only
slightly unexpected thing is that when the keyboard pops up to enter
the name the enter button is labeled search and it's not really a
andyg;364009 Wrote:
Re: Pandora album art... most of Pandora's album art is really high res
now (they did this for their own iPhone app). You probably just got a
bad one. Rhapsody is the lowest-res of all the music services, at
170x170.
You're right. I checked some other Pandora albums
Bought iPeng last night to go alongside my newly purchased Boom, was
very impressed with both.
All the bugs I had noticed have been covered in this thread so nothing
to add on those points.
One quick query though, I use a random shuffle on all songs or a the
current year a lot through my Duet,
pippin;363789 Wrote:
Are you sure the Icon in the title bar showed | and not ||?
Yes, I'm sure. In fact, there is no Play Track button for Rhapsody
artists, songs, or playlists. :-(
--
EnochLight
EnochLight's
lanierb;363982 Wrote:
OK, I finally got around to those Rhapsody screen shots. See attached
photos.
Strange - it looks the same on mine but Rhapsody won't play via iPeng
on my iPhone. There's no play track/artist/playlist button - it just
links to another menu. Play Playlist just links to
EnochLight;364116 Wrote:
Strange - it looks the same on mine but Rhapsody won't play via iPeng on
my iPhone. There's no play track/artist/playlist button - it just
links to another menu. Play Playlist just links to the songs listed,
and if you try to select a song it links to the add
This has been a big issue during iPeng development. I need something
where I can rely on the sorting of the first character (after skipping
and ignored articles) to build the index. OR I need an information
about where to set that index.
Are you sorting locally? You shouldn't ;-)
I once
Very nice interface.
I may be being stupid but I can't find how to add current song to
favourites. Has the function not been added to 1.0?
--
ram
ram's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4859
View
701 - 800 of 900 matches
Mail list logo