Re: diff in proportions

2001-11-15 Thread dennis roberts
At 08:03 PM 11/15/01 +, Radford Neal wrote: >Radford Neal: > > >> The difference is that when dealing with real data, it is possible for > >> two populations to have the same mean (as assumed by the null), but > >> different variances. In contrast, when dealing with binary data, if > >> the m

Re: Evaluating students

2001-11-15 Thread John Kane
Jerry Dallal wrote: > John Kane wrote: > > > Very true and I was being deliberatly provocative. Howeever I still cannot > > see penalizing someone for gerttaingt the right anwser no matter how arried > > at. > > Problem: Divide 95 by 19. > > Student writes 95/19, 9's cancel, leaving 5/1 = 5 .

Re: diff in proportions

2001-11-15 Thread Jerry Dallal
Radford Neal wrote: > > The difference is that when dealing with real data, it is possible for > two populations to have the same mean (as assumed by the null), but > different variances. In contrast, when dealing with binary data, if > the means are the same in the two populations, the varianc

Re: diff in proportions

2001-11-15 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Dennis Roberts wrote: > > At 08:51 AM 11/15/01 -0600, jim clark wrote: > > >The Ho in the case of means is NOT about the variances, so the > >analogy breaks down. That is, we are not hypothesizing > >Ho: sig1^2 = sig2^2, but rather Ho: mu1 = mu2. So there is no > >direct link between Ho and

Re: diff in proportions

2001-11-15 Thread Rolf Dalin
I'm not really arguing for using the pooled stdev in this case, I'm just trying to find out the reasons for significance testing procedures. I think that what were discussing here is if we should use CIs BOTH for stating effect sizes with errors AND for hypoyhesis testing. I read a book by Mi

Re: diff in proportions

2001-11-15 Thread Radford Neal
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, dennis roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >in the moore and mccabe book (IPS), in the section on testing for >differences in population proportions, when it comes to doing a 'z' test >for significance, they argue for (and say this is commonly done) that the >sta

Re: diff in proportions

2001-11-15 Thread Jerry Dallal
dennis roberts wrote: > > in the moore and mccabe book (IPS), in the section on testing for > differences in population proportions, when it comes to doing a 'z' test > for significance, they argue for (and say this is commonly done) that the > standard error for the difference in proportions for

Re: diff in proportions

2001-11-15 Thread Dennis Roberts
At 08:51 AM 11/15/01 -0600, jim clark wrote: >The Ho in the case of means is NOT about the variances, so the >analogy breaks down. That is, we are not hypothesizing >Ho: sig1^2 = sig2^2, but rather Ho: mu1 = mu2. So there is no >direct link between Ho and the SE, unlike the proportions >example

Re: diff in proportions

2001-11-15 Thread Dennis Roberts
At 04:26 PM 11/15/01 +0100, Rolf Dalin wrote: >The significance test produces a p-value UNDER THE CONDITION >that the null is true. In my opinion it does not matter whether we >know it isn't true. It is just an assumption for the calculations. And >these calculations do not produce exactly the s

Re: Z Scores and stuff

2001-11-15 Thread Sandra CHANDLER
ilei (1564-1642)       ---you wrote Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 18:53:25 +From: John Kane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: Re: Z Scores and stuff[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> Mark>> I contacted you directly to offer you some simple advice.  I suggested that> since the question you a

Re: diff in proportions

2001-11-15 Thread jim clark
Hi On 15 Nov 2001, dennis roberts wrote: > in the moore and mccabe book (IPS), in the section on testing for > differences in population proportions, when it comes to doing a 'z' test > for significance, they argue for (and say this is commonly done) that the > standard error for the differen

RE: diff in proportions

2001-11-15 Thread Kaplon, Howard
Title: RE: diff in proportions Dennis,         I am not sure about this, but here goes anyway.  Since the decision making process is based on Type I error (Critical Point and p-value), and since Type I error is under the assumption that the Null Hypothesis is true, then the "p

Re: regression on timeseries data: differencing ?

2001-11-15 Thread Donald Burrill
> > On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Wendy (alias Eric Duton?) wrote: > > > > > When applying multiple regression on timeseries data, should I check > > > (similarly to ARIMA-models) for unit roots in the dependent variable > > > > and the predictor variables and perform the necessary differencing > > > >

Re: Evaluating students

2001-11-14 Thread Alan McLean
Thom Baguley wrote: > > Alan McLean wrote: > > This describes a BAD closed book exam. It also describes a bad open book > > exam. > > Not entirely. I have found that many students still worry about such > things regardless of the information they have about the exam. > > > A good one-hour exa

Re:

2001-11-14 Thread Dennis Roberts
At 07:42 AM 11/14/01 -0800, Carl Huberty wrote: >I, too, prefer closed-book tests in statistical methods courses. I also >like short-answer items, some of which may be multiple-choice >items. [Please don't gripe that all multiple-choice items assess only >memory recall; such items, if constru

Re: Evaluating students

2001-11-14 Thread Herman Rubin
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Carl Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Using introductory statistics as an example, concepts are built in a certain >sequence. If students get lost at a certain stage, s/he will have difficulty >to connect the later concepts together. Therefore, it is crucial to test

Re: Evaluating students

2001-11-14 Thread Herman Rubin
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Alan McLean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Herman Rubin wrote: >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >> Thom Baguley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >Glen wrote: >> >> As a student I *always* preferred closed book exams. If I know the >> >> material I don't need the book,

Re: Evaluating students

2001-11-14 Thread Dennis Roberts
the problem with any exam ... given in any format ... is the extent to which you can INFER what the examinee knows or does not know from their responses in the case of recognition tests ... where precreated answers are given and you make a choice ... it is very difficult to infer anything BUT

Re: Evaluating students

2001-11-14 Thread Thom Baguley
Alan McLean wrote: > This describes a BAD closed book exam. It also describes a bad open book > exam. Not entirely. I have found that many students still worry about such things regardless of the information they have about the exam. > A good one-hour exam would have > > three, or at most fo

Re: Evaluating students

2001-11-14 Thread Thom Baguley
Herman Rubin wrote: > >Yes. Also, closed book exams tend to be easier because the range of > >questions is more restricted. I have found them a way to avoid > >students spending most of their time memorizing near-useless material. > > On the contrary, closed book exams emphasize memorizing > near

Re: Z Scores and stuff

2001-11-14 Thread Mark T
On Sun, 11 Nov 2001 12:09:41 -0600 jim clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here are the relevant parts of a program I use to generate and > solve z-distribution problems. I believe the value produced as p > is the cumulative probability below z1. The values are quite > precise and should agree

Re: Evaluating students

2001-11-13 Thread Alan McLean
Students also confuse histograms with time series graphs. They describe a graph as, for example, 'starting low, increasing then decreasing again'. It's easy enough to see how they get this approach from their school maths. It's much more difficult to get them to see a histogram as rather more like

Re: Evaluating students

2001-11-13 Thread Carl Lee
Using introductory statistics as an example, concepts are built in a certain sequence. If students get lost at a certain stage, s/he will have difficulty to connect the later concepts together. Therefore, it is crucial to test the understanding of the connection (or relationship) among related con

Re: Evaluating students

2001-11-13 Thread Donald Burrill
On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Alan McLean wrote in part: > Herman Rubin wrote: > > > > A good exam would be one which someone who has merely > > memorized the book would fail, and one who understands > > the concepts but has forgotten all the formulas would > > do extremely well on. > > Since to underst

Re: regression on timeseries data: differencing ?

2001-11-13 Thread Donald Burrill
On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Wendy (alias Eric Duton?) wrote: > When applying multiple regression on timeseries data, should I check > (similarly to ARIMA-models) for unit roots in the dependent variable > and the predictor variables and perform the necessary differencing > > OR > > could I simply st

Re: When one should stop sampling?

2001-11-13 Thread Niko Tiliopoulos
Dear all, In light of the very interesting and highly appreciated response I received in my mailbox, allow me to attempt to be more clear. First I should say that I am not aware of the deep details of the study (it is indeed someone else's and I am not trying to cover up my errors). Ss are put i

Re: Fw: We need your help!!!

2001-11-13 Thread Rich Ulrich
On 12 Nov 2001 11:41:45 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carl Huberty) wrote: > It would be greatly appreciated if I could get references for the six topics > mentioned in the message below. I assume that Conover (1999) discusses the > first topic. But beyond that I am at a loss. Thanks in advance. >

Re: Evaluating students

2001-11-13 Thread Alan McLean
Herman Rubin wrote: > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Thom Baguley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Glen wrote: > >> As a student I *always* preferred closed book exams. If I know the > >> material I don't need the book, and if I don't know the material, > >> the book isn't going to help in the

Re: Good Book on "Clustering Algorithm"??

2001-11-13 Thread John Uebersax
"Chia C Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<9sk4p9$1e9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > Any recommendation for books on Clustering Algorithm?? Two suggestions: Anderberg, M.R. (1973), Cluster Analysis for Applications, New York: Academic Press, Inc. Hartigan, J.A. (1975),

Re: Evaluating students

2001-11-13 Thread Jerry Dallal
John Kane wrote: > Very true and I was being deliberatly provocative. Howeever I still cannot > see penalizing someone for gerttaingt the right anwser no matter how arried > at. Problem: Divide 95 by 19. Student writes 95/19, 9's cancel, leaving 5/1 = 5 . How much credit do you award? ===

Re: Evaluating students

2001-11-13 Thread Herman Rubin
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Stan Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >John Kane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in sci.stat.edu: . >I don't think I ever said the answer is not important; if I did say >so I didn't mean to. The right answer is important, but aft

Re: Evaluating students

2001-11-13 Thread Herman Rubin
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Thom Baguley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Glen wrote: >> As a student I *always* preferred closed book exams. If I know the >> material I don't need the book, and if I don't know the material, >> the book isn't going to help in the exam enough anyway. For open >Yes

Re: When one should stop sampling?

2001-11-13 Thread Donald Burrill
On 12 Nov 2001, Niko Tiliopoulos wrote: > I am acting as the stats advisor for my unit in the psychology > department of the University of Edinburgh, UK. Last week a colleague > of mine presented me with the following issue, and I am not quite sure > how to respond: > > She is running a psych

Re: Evaluating students

2001-11-12 Thread John Kane
Herman Rubin wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > John Kane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Herman Rubin wrote: > > >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > >> John Kane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >Stan Brown wrote: > > >> >> Herman Rubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in sci.stat.edu: > >> >>

Re: Evaluating students

2001-11-12 Thread John Kane
Stan Brown wrote: > John Kane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in sci.stat.edu: > >So you are saying that getting the right answer is not important? > > No, of course it's important. But getting the right answer for the > wrong reasons is bad, since one may not be so lucky next time when, > say, calcula

Re: Plese give full path URL for SPSS or MINITAB or Pace2000 downloading

2001-11-12 Thread Bill Miller
tMain.html homepage2: http://shawneelink.com/~millerwg - Original Message - From: "Alan Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 4:20 PM Subject: Re: Plese give full path URL for SPSS or MINITAB or Pace2000 downloading > Pete

Re: Standard Deviation!

2001-11-12 Thread Rich Ulrich
On Sun, 11 Nov 2001 01:30:27 +1100, "David Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Presently the Gaming Industry of Australia is attempting to define various > new 'definitions of Standard Deviation'...in a concept to define infield > metrics for the analysis of machines in terms which imply whether a

Re: Standard Deviation!

2001-11-12 Thread Dennis Roberts
i think you are asking the wrong question ... because, as far as i know ... there is only really one standard deviation concept ... square root of the variance (average of squared deviations around the mean in a set of data) ... perhaps what you are really interested in is HOW should VARIABILIT

Re: definition of " metric" as a noun

2001-11-12 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
"No Spam Mapson" wrote: The OED cites the following use of metric as a noun: 1921 Proc. R. Soc. A. XCIX. 104 "In the non-Euclidean geometry of Riemann, the metric is defined by certain quantities ... >>> >>> A good example of bad usage: *what* metric, *what* q

Re: Evaluating students

2001-11-12 Thread Thom Baguley
Glen wrote: > As a student I *always* preferred closed book exams. If I know the > material I don't need the book, and if I don't know the material, > the book isn't going to help in the exam enough anyway. For open Yes. Also, closed book exams tend to be easier because the range of questions is

Re: Z Scores and stuff

2001-11-11 Thread Jay Warner
Mark T wrote: > On Fri, 09 Nov 2001 10:13:21 -0500 > Rich Ulrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Thu, 8 Nov 2001 18:31:57 +, Mark T <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > What are the formulae for calculating the mean to z, larger proportion and >smaller proportion of a

Re: was RE computing Normal dist, z, etc.

2001-11-11 Thread Jay Warner
of the Z table and then put it into a Word > > document and load that onto the PalmPilot. That way he could quickly refer > > to the table at any time. > > > > I assume Mark can write the code for entering the values. > > Yes > > > > > Here is the code,

Re: Evaluating students

2001-11-11 Thread Stan Brown
John Kane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in sci.stat.edu: >So you are saying that getting the right answer is not important? No, of course it's important. But getting the right answer for the wrong reasons is bad, since one may not be so lucky next time when, say, calculating a 99% confidence inter

Re: Evaluating students

2001-11-11 Thread Herman Rubin
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Kane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Herman Rubin wrote: >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >> John Kane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >Stan Brown wrote: >> >> Herman Rubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in sci.stat.edu: >> >> >Test for understanding, not for imitat

Re: Reply to John Kane

2001-11-11 Thread Mark T
gt; document and load that onto the PalmPilot. That way he could quickly refer > to the table at any time. > > I assume Mark can write the code for entering the values. Yes > > Here is the code, I hope it helps. Thank you very much. This is exactly what I wanted. > Seems a

Re: Reply to John Kane

2001-11-10 Thread John Kane
=StandDevAway*(-1) > if SSize=1 then > kk=abs(Top) > print " The score entered is "; > print using fnform$(kk);abs(Top); > print " less than the Mean." > end if > end if > > print " For a Z value of &qu

Re: Evaluating students

2001-11-10 Thread John Kane
Stan Brown wrote: > Herman Rubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in sci.stat.edu: > >Test for understanding, not for imitation of robots. Give > >a few multi-part problems, and be sure to give partial credit. > > Excellent advice. I do (try to) test for understanding, by posing > problems in real-worl

Re: Evaluating students

2001-11-10 Thread Herman Rubin
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Gus Gassmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >"J. Williams" wrote: >> When I taught undergraduate statistics in a previous lifetime, I would >> distribute copies of the mid-term and final examinations minus the >> data sets one week prior. Students could study the act

Re: Z Scores and stuff

2001-11-10 Thread John Kane
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Mark > > I contacted you directly to offer you some simple advice. I suggested that > since the question you asked is very basic and that it is covered in even the > most basic books on statistics that you go to the nearest university library > and browse through BUSIN

Re: Z Scores and stuff

2001-11-10 Thread RCKnodt
Mark I contacted you directly to offer you some simple advice. I suggested that since the question you asked is very basic and that it is covered in even the most basic books on statistics that you go to the nearest university library and browse through BUSINESS STATISTICS texts. I find that

Re: Z Scores and stuff

2001-11-10 Thread Mark T
ing like "Given a value x of a variable X, which has a > known mean, how does one convert x to z?" No, that's not what I said. Re-read my original post and try again. Or don't. > (Your language admits of > several other possible meanings, but I'll leave it to you

Re: Z Scores and stuff

2001-11-10 Thread Donald Burrill
You persist in repeating your original request in your original phrasing, with no elaboration(s) that might resolve the ambiguities therein. On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, Mark T wrote: > On Fri, 09 Nov 2001 Rich Ulrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Thu, 8 Nov 2001 Mark T <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro

Re: Z Scores and stuff

2001-11-10 Thread Mark T
On Fri, 09 Nov 2001 10:13:21 -0500 Rich Ulrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 8 Nov 2001 18:31:57 +, Mark T <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > What are the formulae for calculating the mean to z, larger proportion and smaller >proportion of a z-score (standardised score)

Re: uniform distribution

2001-11-09 Thread Neville X. Elliven
Kristen Parker wrote: > The person above was asking a legitimate question. Nonsense. That person was posting a homework problem, with no additional commentary whatsoever. > If you are unwilling to be helpful thats ok, > but don't be such a jerk about it either. There are plenty of other Newsgr

RE: They look different; are they really?

2001-11-09 Thread Neville X. Elliven
Chris Olsen wrote: > First of all, I have no clue how one would define grading on the curve. > ... > My preferred method is to construct tests & quizzes in a way that gives > an approximately normal distribution, weight their z-scores, and sum > to a result. Sounds as though you have a pretty go

Re: definition of " metric" as a noun

2001-11-09 Thread Neville X. Elliven
>>> The OED cites the following use of metric as a noun: >>> 1921 Proc. R. Soc. A. XCIX. 104 "In the non-Euclidean >>> geometry of Riemann, the metric is defined by certain quantities ... >> >> A good example of bad usage: *what* metric, *what* quantities? >> The reader sho

Re: Z Scores and stuff

2001-11-09 Thread Rich Ulrich
On Thu, 8 Nov 2001 18:31:57 +, Mark T <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > What are the formulae for calculating the mean to z, larger proportion and smaller >proportion of a z-score (standardised score) on a standard normal distribution? I >know about tables listing them all, but I want t

Re: Seeking REAL stats numbers (economy, and mortality)

2001-11-09 Thread Humberto Barreto
At 02:47 AM 11/9/01 -0800, George wrote: >I got the book (Plagues and Peoples), and I found other interesting >sources as well. To quote McGinnis, Feoge "Actual Causes of Death in >the United States." Journal of the American Medical Association 270 >(18):2207-2212 > >U. S. 1990 data: >Tobacco deat

Re: Seeking REAL stats numbers (economy, and mortality)

2001-11-09 Thread George
I got the book (Plagues and Peoples), and I found other interesting sources as well. To quote McGinnis, Feoge "Actual Causes of Death in the United States." Journal of the American Medical Association 270 (18):2207-2212 U. S. 1990 data: Tobacco deaths: 400,000 Diet/ low activity pattern deaths

Re: Evaluating students

2001-11-08 Thread RCKnodt
I had to comment on the thread. I've been involved in teaching since, 1958 and have taught at many levels (maybe too many). I tried the open book approach and believed at one time it was a good method but I always wondered it it really was the best way to go. I tried take-home exams but was

Re: Z Scores and stuff

2001-11-08 Thread Jay Warner
Mark T wrote: > Hi, > > What are the formulae for calculating the mean to z, larger proportion and smaller >proportion of a z-score (standardised score) on a standard normal distribution? I >know about tables listing them all, but I want to know how to work it out for myself >:o) At the risk

Re: Evaluating students

2001-11-08 Thread Stan Brown
Jerry Dallal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in sci.stat.edu: >I *do* >allow one sheet of notes (both sides) for each exam. They're >cumulative. At any exam, students may bring the sheets for all >previous exams plus a new one for the current exam. > >Students report learning as much if not more from

Re: Evaluating students

2001-11-08 Thread Stan Brown
Herman Rubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in sci.stat.edu: >Test for understanding, not for imitation of robots. Give >a few multi-part problems, and be sure to give partial credit. Excellent advice. I do (try to) test for understanding, by posing problems in real-world terms and seeing if the stu

Re: Evaluating students

2001-11-08 Thread Stan Brown
Gus Gassmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in sci.stat.edu: >I much prefer Herman Rubin's suggestion >of open book, open notes. The problem I have encountered quite >frequently, however, is that many students don't bother to study, >because they "can always look it up during the exam". This creates >e

Re: Evaluating students

2001-11-08 Thread Stan Brown
J. Williams wrote in sci.stat.edu: >When I taught undergraduate statistics in a previous lifetime, I would >distribute copies of the mid-term and final examinations minus the >data sets one week prior. Students could study the actual exam >together, apart, or however best fit their mode. This

Re: Evaluating students

2001-11-08 Thread Glen
Jerry Dallal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > Students report learning as much if not more from preparing what > they call "cheat sheets" (I refer to them as "reference notes") than > from any other class activity. I had one PhD student tell me last > year that

Re: sufficient conditions for E(x*y*z)=0

2001-11-04 Thread MathCraft Consulting
Patrick, If z = xy, then yes, E[z] = E[xy] = 0. HOWEVER... E[xyz] = E[x^2*y^2]. -- T. Arthur Wheeler MathCraft Consulting Columbus, OH 43017 "Patrick Agin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message W5aF7.1435$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:W5aF7.1435$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Thank you very much Andrew

Re: distribution function

2001-11-04 Thread Gilbert
yes, I mean the cumulative distribution function. if I integrate from 0 to 2 (for the first piece) I get : (1/8)(x^2) + C0<=x<2 if I integrate from 2 to 4 (for the second piece) I get : -(1/8)(x^2) + x + C2<=x<=4 I think I am doing something wrong because the integral is greater th

Re: sufficient conditions for E(x*y*z)=0

2001-11-04 Thread Patrick Agin
Thank you very much Andrew for your reply, I thought at this possibility before sending the post but my reasoning was: If cor(x,y)=0, it implies that cov(x,y)=0 => E[(x-mean(x))(y-mean(y))]=0 but if mean(x)=mean(y)=0, then E[xy]=0. So if z=x*y, E[z]=E[xy]=0, isn't it? Am I wrong? Patrick "And

Re: p value

2001-11-04 Thread jim clark
Hi On 2 Nov 2001, Donald Burrill wrote: > On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, jim clark wrote: > > I would hate to ressurect a debate from sometime in the past > > year, but the chi-squared is a non-directional (commonly referred > > to as two-tailed) test, although it is true that you only > > consider one end

Re: distribution function

2001-11-03 Thread Donald Burrill
On 3 Nov 2001, Gilbert wrote: > If I have a density function defined as: > > f(x)=(1/4)x 0<=x<=2 > f(x)=-(1/4)x + 1 2 f(x)=0 elsewhere > > (so the density function is a triangle of height (1/2)) > > how do I find the distribution

Re: sufficient conditions for E(x*y*z)=0

2001-11-03 Thread Andrew Schulman
> I am interested in the following expression and conditions under which it > equals 0: > E(x*y*z) where x,y and z are random variables and E(.) denotes expectation. > > Here, x and y have mean 0 and the correlation between x and y is also zero. > > Are these two conditions *sufficient* to ensur

Re: Continuity corrections for normal approximations

2001-11-03 Thread Karl L. Wuensch
Eugene asked "Can someone point me to current views on the use of the continuity correctionfor the normal approximation to the binomial and Poisson?"   It it easy to demonstrate that use of the correction for continuity when estimating binomial probabilities by using the normal CDF results i

Re: Good book about non-parametric statistical hypothesis test

2001-11-03 Thread EugeneGall
Hollander, M. and D. A. Wolfe. 1999. Nonparametric Statistical Methods, 2nd edition. John Wiley & Sons, New York. 787 p. {Encyclopedic, but not as easy to read as many of the others cited. The notes on each test provide good discussions and references to recent advances} ===

RE: p value

2001-11-02 Thread dennis roberts
At 05:06 PM 11/2/01 -0500, Wuensch, Karl L wrote: > Dennis wrote: " it is NOT correct to say that the p > value (as >traditionally calculated) represents the probability of finding a > result >LIKE WE FOUND ... if the null were true? that p would be ½ of > what is >calculated." > >

RE: p value

2001-11-02 Thread Wuensch, Karl L
Dennis wrote: " it is NOT correct to say that the p > value (as traditionally calculated) represents the probability of finding a > result LIKE WE FOUND ... if the null were true? that p would be ½ of > what is calculated." Jones and Tukey (A sensible formulation of the signific

Re: edstat-digest V2000 #545

2001-11-02 Thread Pam .
> >-- > >Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 12:24:29 -0500 >From: "Andrew E. Schulman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: inducing rank correlations > > > Now, lets say I specify a target correlation matrix as follows: >

Re: edstat-digest V2000 #545

2001-11-02 Thread Pam .
> >-- > >Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 12:24:29 -0500 >From: "Andrew E. Schulman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: inducing rank correlations > > > Now, lets say I specify a target correlation matrix as follows: >

Re: p value

2001-11-02 Thread Chris R
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (dennis roberts) wrote > most software will compute p values (say for a typical two sample t test of > means) by taking the obtained t test statistic ... making it both + and - > ... finding the two end tail areas in the relevant t distribution ... and > report that as p >

Re: They look different; are they really?

2001-11-02 Thread John Kane
Jon Miller wrote: > Stan Brown wrote: > > > You assume that it was my section that performed worse! (That's true, > > but I carefully avoided saying so.) > > > > Section A (mine) meets at 8 am, Section B at 2 pm. Not only does the > > time of day quite possibly have an effect, but since most peop

Re: Can I Use Wilcoxon Rank Sum Test for Correlated & Clustered Data??

2001-11-02 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Chia C Chong wrote: > > I am a beginner in the statistical analysis and hypothesis. I have 2 > variables (A and B) from an experiment that was observed for a certain > period time. I need to form a statistical model that will model these two > variables. As an initial step, I plot the histogram

Re: They look different; are they really?

2001-11-02 Thread John Kane
Stan Brown wrote: > Jill Binker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in sci.stat.edu: > >Even assuming the test yields a good measure of how well the students know > >the material (which should be investigated, rather than assumed), it isn't > >telling you whether students have learned more from the class

Re: They look different; are they really?

2001-11-02 Thread John Kane
Gus Gassmann wrote: > Stan Brown wrote: > > > Another instructor and I gave the same exam to our sections of a > > course. Here's a summary of the results: > > > > Section A: n=20, mean=56.1, median=52.5, standard dev=20.1 > > Section B: n=23 mean=73.0, median=70.0, standard dev=21.6 > > > > Now

Re: Can I Use Wilcoxon Rank Sum Test for Correlated & Clustered Data??

2001-11-01 Thread Donald Burrill
On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Chia C Chong wrote: > I am a beginner in the statistical analysis and hypothesis. I have 2 > variables (A and B) from an experiment that was observed for a certain > period time. I need to form a statistical model that will model these > two variables. Seems to me you're

Re: Can I Use Wilcoxon Rank Sum Test for Correlated & Clustered Data??

2001-11-01 Thread Glen
"Chia C Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<9rsn26$98h$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > I am a beginner in the statistical analysis and hypothesis. I have 2 > variables (A and B) from an experiment that was observed for a certain > period time. I need to form a statistical model that will mo

Re: Can I Use Wilcoxon Rank Sum Test for Correlated & Clustered Data??

2001-11-01 Thread Glen
Are all the questions you post related to the same problem? Why not let us in on what you're actually doing, so we have more of a clue how to answer your questions? Glen = Instructions for joining and leaving this list and remarks

Re: Good book about non-parametric statistical hypothesis test

2001-11-01 Thread Glen
"Chia C Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<9rrv0e$4hk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > Does anyone know any good reference book about non-parametric statistical > hypothesis test?? > > Thanks > > CCC Read more than one. Here are some that I got some value from, though I do have argum

Re: Testing for joint probability between 2 variables

2001-11-01 Thread Chia C Chong
"Rich Ulrich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:10:02 -, "Chia C Chong" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [ ... ] > > > > The observations were numbers. To be specified, the 2 variables are DELAY > > and ANGLE. So, basica

Re: Testing for joint probability between 2 variables

2001-11-01 Thread Rich Ulrich
On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:10:02 -, "Chia C Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [ ... ] > > The observations were numbers. To be specified, the 2 variables are DELAY > and ANGLE. So, basically I am looking into some raw measurement data > captured in the real environment and after post-proceesing

Re: Good book about non-parametric statistical hypothesis test

2001-11-01 Thread Jonsey
Try "Practical Nonparametric Statistics" by W.J. Conover "Chia C Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 9rrv0e$4hk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:9rrv0e$4hk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Does anyone know any good reference book about non-parametric statistical > hypothesis test?? > > Thanks > > CCC > >

Re: Good book about non-parametric statistical hypothesis test

2001-11-01 Thread Michael Dewey
On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 17:00:31 -, "Chia C Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: :Does anyone know any good reference book about non-parametric statistical :hypothesis test?? : :Thanks : :CCC : : Try any one of @BOOK{leach79, author = {Leach, C}, year = 1979, title = {Introduction to statis

Re: inducing rank correlations

2001-11-01 Thread Andrew E. Schulman
> Now, lets say I specify a target correlation matrix as follows: > > > A B C > A 1 > B 1 1 > C 1 -1 1 > > The problem with above matirx is that we want large values of 'A' to > be paired with large values of 'B' and also large values of 'A' to > be paired with large values of 'C'. > BUT

Re: ranging opines about the range

2001-10-31 Thread Rich Ulrich
[ I have rearranged Zar's note.] After this one, > >>> Harold W Kerster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 10/29/01 04:31PM >>> > If you define the range as max - min, you get zero, not one. What > definition are you using. On 29 Oct 2001 16:11:15 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jerrold Zar) wrote: > I was r

Re: EDA

2001-10-31 Thread Robert Ehrlich
Data mining , by and large, seems to use fairly conventional multivatiate stats tools along with a bunch of clustering procedures. In addtion there is a lot of use of neural nets (mostly as a lazy man's tool or a last resort, but occasionally sensibly). Data prep. (including transformations) seem

Re: Comparing percent correct to correct by chance

2001-10-31 Thread Donald Burrill
On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Glen Barnett wrote, in response to my comment: > > On Sun, 28 Oct 2001, Melady Preece wrote: > > MP> Hi. I want to compare the percentage of correct identifications (taste MP> test) to the percentage that would be correct by chance 50%? (only two MP> items being tasted). C

Re: Comparing percent correct to correct by chance

2001-10-30 Thread Glen Barnett
Donald Burrill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > On Sun, 28 Oct 2001, Melady Preece wrote: > > > Hi. I want to compare the percentage of correct identifications (taste > > test) to the percentage that would be correct by chance 50%? (only two >

Re: Testing for joint probability between 2 variables

2001-10-30 Thread Glen Barnett
Glen Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 9rndu1$gqq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:9rndu1$gqq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I'd probably suggest not trying to group the data and do a chi-squared measure > of association (you're throwing away the ordering, where most of the information > will be), exce

Re: Testing for joint probability between 2 variables

2001-10-30 Thread Glen Barnett
Chia C Chong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:9rn4vc$8v2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > "Glen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > "Chia C Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > news:<9rjs94$lht$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > > > I have 2 var

Re: Recommend Masters level math stats text

2001-10-30 Thread Matthew C Roberts
On 29 Oct 2001 08:01:13 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dennis Roberts) wrote: I have a Ph.D. in economics, equivalent of 3 semesters of calculus, plus experience in stochastic calculus. Finally, took excellent senior-level math stats sequence at NC State. Matt. >At 02:08 PM 10/29/01 +, Jason Ow

Re: What is a confidence interval?

2001-10-30 Thread Donald Burrill
In reviewing some not-yet-deleted email, I came across this one, and have no record of its error(s) having been corrected. On Sat, 29 Sep 2001, John Jackson wrote: > How do describe the data that does not reside in the area > described by the confidence interval? > > For example, you have a tw

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