Good point regarding energy density..
LPG - 84,000 btu/gallon / $1.29 per gallon =65,000 btu / $
Gasoline with Ethanol - the crap we have here - 112,000 btu/gallon @
$3.60 per gallon = 31,000 btu / $
That is with road tax on both fuels. So gasoline is over twice the
price of propane
Depending on the jurisdiction, there is still a road tax. If it is
known to go into
road vehicles, LPG and Propane are taxed. I think it is relative to
the heat content,
and pretty soon my fuzzy crystal ball says various jurisdictions are
going to find
a new taxing method for 'alternative fuels'
On Tuesday 07 August 2012 02:51:48 Peter Blodow did opine:
Gene,
please don't forget to take into account that liquefied gases have a
density of less than two thirds of gasoline and even less than diesel
fuel. Methane (CNG, CH4) is even lighter than butane (C2H6) or propane
(LPG, C3H8). In
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:
Mark
At the prices quoted here, the propane must be free, because that is about
what the taxes would be.
I've not found any of it thats free yet. My grill takes the 4.5 gallon
hideaway tanks we're paying about $7.50 a
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 6:39 PM, dave dengv...@charter.net wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_taxes_in_the_United_States
Enjoy!
Dave
Yup. Nuckin' futs, isn't it? And it's a heck of a lot worse in
Europe, tax wise per liter.
Mark
On 7 August 2012 10:25, Mark Wendt wendt.m...@gmail.com wrote:
Yup. Nuckin' futs, isn't it? And it's a heck of a lot worse in
Europe, tax wise per liter.
A litre of petrol in the UK is about £1.35.
That includes VAT@20%, so the base price is £1.125
Of that, £0.5795 is fuel duty. so, the
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 5:53 AM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote:
On 7 August 2012 10:25, Mark Wendt wendt.m...@gmail.com wrote:
Yup. Nuckin' futs, isn't it? And it's a heck of a lot worse in
Europe, tax wise per liter.
A litre of petrol in the UK is about £1.35.
That includes VAT@20%,
On 7 August 2012 11:51, Mark Wendt wendt.m...@gmail.com wrote:
Of that, £0.5795 is fuel duty. so, the base price is 54p a litre, and
we pay 81p tax on top.
Pardon me, but HOLY CRAP! VAT, fuel duty and a sales tax? That's just crazy.
No, just fuel duty + VAT. But we pay VAT on the fuel
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 7:29 AM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote:
On 7 August 2012 11:51, Mark Wendt wendt.m...@gmail.com wrote:
Of that, £0.5795 is fuel duty. so, the base price is 54p a litre, and
we pay 81p tax on top.
Pardon me, but HOLY CRAP! VAT, fuel duty and a sales tax? That's
On 08/07/2012 12:11 AM, Peter Blodow wrote:
Gene,
please don't forget to take into account that liquefied gases have a
density of less than two thirds of gasoline and even less than diesel
fuel. Methane (CNG, CH4) is even lighter than butane (C2H6) or propane
(LPG, C3H8). In addition, their
On 6 August 2012 04:37, Przemek Klosowski przemek.klosow...@gmail.com wrote:
How does it work? Would it measure the burn cycle pressure and adjust
the injected fuel volume for appropriate pressure peak?
Yes, apart from the problem with fuel lubricity the main issue is that
the injection is
On 6 August 2012 03:46, ceen...@in-front.com wrote:
My thought was to get a fairly low volume diesel direct injector (i.e. 1L to
2L 4-cyl diesel car) and grind away the lower section of the nozzle which has
the 6 or 8 pinholes to allow solder paste to exit a bit more freely.
You can't use
On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net wrote:
Yea - at twice the CO2 emissions of my 1996 2.8 turbo!!
Steve Blackmore
Then it's earth and plant friendly. Plants need CO2 to live.
Mark
--
Since this is already an OT thread
Yes Mark plants need CO2 but politicians need money therefore we must learn
to pay them for natural occurring substances and acts.
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 4:31 AM, Mark Wendt wendt.m...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Steve Blackmore
;-) Considering the amount of C02 expelled by all the hot air that
issues forth from DC (which is where I'm currently sitting at my work
desk), one would think the politician's C02 generation should also be
taxed.
Mark
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Stuart Stevenson stus...@gmail.com wrote:
Certainly, they have exempted themselves from any consequences.
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 6:55 AM, Mark Wendt wendt.m...@gmail.com wrote:
;-) Considering the amount of C02 expelled by all the hot air that
issues forth from DC (which is where I'm currently sitting at my work
desk), one would
Most definitely.
Mark
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Stuart Stevenson stus...@gmail.com wrote:
Certainly, they have exempted themselves from any consequences.
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 6:55 AM, Mark Wendt wendt.m...@gmail.com wrote:
;-) Considering the amount of C02 expelled by all the hot
I currently have a Ford Ranger pickup truck that has a bifuel CNG
(Compressed Natural Gas)/unleaded gas conversion and I am going to try
and convert that to Propane. I don't have a good source for CNG and
right now Propane is going for just over $1.00 per gallon when purchased
in 500 gallons
On 08/06/2012 04:06 AM, andy pugh wrote:
On 6 August 2012 03:46, ceen...@in-front.com wrote:
My thought was to get a fairly low volume diesel direct injector (i.e. 1L to
2L 4-cyl diesel car) and grind away the lower section of the nozzle which
has the 6 or 8 pinholes to allow solder paste
On Monday 06 August 2012 11:04:47 Dave did opine:
I currently have a Ford Ranger pickup truck that has a bifuel CNG
(Compressed Natural Gas)/unleaded gas conversion and I am going to try
and convert that to Propane. I don't have a good source for CNG and
right now Propane is going for just
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:
One thing that stands out in this propane discussion is that propane is
assumed to be for heating and cooking purposes. Since a large proportion
of the pump price is the various state and federal taxes applied to road
use
On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 12:08 -0400, Mark Wendt wrote:
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:
One thing that stands out in this propane discussion is that propane is
assumed to be for heating and cooking purposes. Since a large proportion
of the pump price is
The $1.29 at the nearby station - included the road tax!
I took a picture of the station since I didn't think anyone would
believe me!
Dave
On 8/6/2012 11:13 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 06 August 2012 11:04:47 Dave did opine:
I currently have a Ford Ranger pickup truck that has
On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 15:07 -0400, Dave wrote:
The $1.29 at the nearby station - included the road tax!
Wow! $2.83 here. My son has found a place that sells off-road for $1.30
and I thought that was good.
Dave
I took a picture of the station since I didn't think anyone would
believe me!
On Monday 06 August 2012 17:34:31 Mark Wendt did opine:
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:
One thing that stands out in this propane discussion is that propane
is assumed to be for heating and cooking purposes. Since a large
proportion of the pump price
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_taxes_in_the_United_States
Enjoy!
Dave
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Gene,
please don't forget to take into account that liquefied gases have a
density of less than two thirds of gasoline and even less than diesel
fuel. Methane (CNG, CH4) is even lighter than butane (C2H6) or propane
(LPG, C3H8). In addition, their thermal yield is about 10 to 20% lower
per
k...@gmail.com schrieb:
/ snip
BTW I would never own a modern VW diesel...what an over priced engineering
nightmare.
dk
My wife and own two identical modern VW diesel cars, Tourans 1.9 liter,
115 horsepower, seven seated, and drive them with about 6 liters fuel
for 100 km (about 33
On Sunday 05 August 2012 11:24:42 Peter Blodow did opine:
k...@gmail.com schrieb:
/ snip
BTW I would never own a modern VW diesel...what an over priced
engineering nightmare.
dk
My wife and own two identical modern VW diesel cars, Tourans 1.9 liter,
115 horsepower, seven
Gene Heskett schrieb:
I have had the opposite experience Peter. In 2007 I bought a 5 yo gas jetta
that cost the dealer, who gave me a 90 day warranty, somewhere around $3500
USD because everything that moved, promptly broke, including the sun roof
which fell out of the hole in the roof.
On Sunday 05 August 2012 19:14:34 Peter Blodow did opine:
Gene Heskett schrieb:
I have had the opposite experience Peter. In 2007 I bought a 5 yo gas
jetta that cost the dealer, who gave me a 90 day warranty, somewhere
around $3500 USD because everything that moved, promptly broke,
as an auto tech for most of my life I have to say I am a huge fan of
electronic fuel injection. As for my rigs i drive a 91 toy p/u with
400k and the wife drives a 92 camry e 275 on it and our suburban is
going to be converted to a 6.2 diesel. I drive these old jap rigs
because they are fuel
On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 14:48:09 +0200, you wrote:
k...@gmail.com schrieb:
/ snip
BTW I would never own a modern VW diesel...what an over priced engineering
nightmare.
dk
My wife and own two identical modern VW diesel cars, Tourans 1.9 liter,
115 horsepower, seven seated, and drive them
On 6 August 2012 01:21, jeremy youngs jcyoung...@gmail.com wrote:
It
would be great if manufacturers could develop efi diesels that were
multifuel compatible sadly that would be a tremendous engineering and
im sure andy would agree fuel mapping feat.
You can buy variants of the gasoline
andy it was my impression from field engineers and warranty
replacement that the issue is fuel lubricity in the diesels, While i
am astounded by the output of modern oil burners they tend to like
parts when not fed a diet of perfect fuel in my exp. as to the e85
they have a sensor in the canister
---Original Message---
From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com
To: dengv...@charter.net, Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] OT - Ford diesels
Sent: Aug 04 '12 12:24
The same things have made Diesels a lot faster. 100hp / litre is
pretty
On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 9:03 PM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote:
On 6 August 2012 01:21, jeremy youngs jcyoung...@gmail.com wrote:
would be great if manufacturers could develop efi diesels that were
multifuel compatible sadly that would be a tremendous engineering and
im sure andy would
On 4 August 2012 16:57, Dave e...@dc9.tzo.com wrote:
Speaking of diesels.. I thought that Ford was going to start importing
those nice Ford Euro diesels into the US so we could buy a domestic car
with a fuel sipping clean air diesel??
So far they are a no-show!What happened Andy??
I
On 8/4/2012 12:38 PM, andy pugh wrote:
On 4 August 2012 16:57, Davee...@dc9.tzo.com wrote:
Speaking of diesels.. I thought that Ford was going to start importing
those nice Ford Euro diesels into the US so we could buy a domestic car
with a fuel sipping clean air diesel??
So far they
On Sat, 2012-08-04 at 11:57 -0400, Dave wrote:
Hey.. lets not go bashing the 6.0.. I have one in an 03 Excurison and it
has 219K miles and burns zero oil. :-)Still gets a combined 17 mpg
in a 9000 lb truck with no trailer.. I pulled a big 10 ft tall x 8.5 ft
wide 7000 lb cargo
On 4 August 2012 18:13, dave dengv...@charter.net wrote:
Fuel injection and electronic ignitions made gas rigs a lot more
competitive.
The same things have made Diesels a lot faster. 100hp / litre is
pretty common in production engines. I remember when that was a race
motorcycle tune.
The
I love diesel cars, and I have driven VW diesels since 1985
(only 3 of them).
It's crying shame what restrictions they have imposed on USA diesel cars.
They've overcomplicated a once elegantly simplistic design that was years
ahead of anything else on the road (and NO computers or batteries
On 4 August 2012 19:24, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote:
On 4 August 2012 18:13, dave dengv...@charter.net wrote:
Fuel injection and electronic ignitions made gas rigs a lot more
competitive.
The same things have made Diesels a lot faster. 100hp / litre is
pretty common in production
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