Re: [Emc-users] Single to Three Phase Rotary Converters

2011-04-05 Thread John Thornton
I use craigslist to give things like that a new zipcode... John gene heskett wrote: On Monday, April 04, 2011 10:00:16 AM John Thornton did opine: No one said you have to turn it on once it is built. John True, but short of more buildings, anything else I get will need a place

Re: [Emc-users] Single to Three Phase Rotary Converters

2011-04-05 Thread gene heskett
On Tuesday, April 05, 2011 11:38:20 AM John Thornton did opine: I use craigslist to give things like that a new zipcode... John Humm, that hadn't crossed my alleged mind, John, thanks. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.

Re: [Emc-users] Single to Three Phase Rotary Converters

2011-04-05 Thread Dave
John, I live on the edge of civilization and my next door neighbor was a house builder. That didn't work out with the complete stall in construction in the Midwest, so he put a bunch of his tools up for sale. I didn't realize that until the sale had been going on in his driveway for 6+

Re: [Emc-users] Single to Three Phase Rotary Converters

2011-04-04 Thread Mark Wendt
On 04/03/2011 05:29 PM, gene heskett wrote: On my BP Series 1 I use an Automation Direct GS2 VFD as it is only 1.5hp for the spindle and they are cost effective way to get up to 3hp 3 phase from single phase. I'd have to agree, and wish I had that big a mill, sniff... 15 HP is gonna be a

Re: [Emc-users] Single to Three Phase Rotary Converters

2011-04-04 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, April 04, 2011 05:42:05 AM Mark Wendt did opine: On 04/03/2011 05:29 PM, gene heskett wrote: On my BP Series 1 I use an Automation Direct GS2 VFD as it is only 1.5hp for the spindle and they are cost effective way to get up to 3hp 3 phase from single phase. I'd have to

Re: [Emc-users] Single to Three Phase Rotary Converters

2011-04-04 Thread Mark Wendt
On 04/04/2011 05:43 AM, gene heskett wrote: On Monday, April 04, 2011 05:42:05 AM Mark Wendt did opine: On 04/03/2011 05:29 PM, gene heskett wrote: On my BP Series 1 I use an Automation Direct GS2 VFD as it is only 1.5hp for the spindle and they are cost effective way to get up to 3hp 3

Re: [Emc-users] Single to Three Phase Rotary Converters

2011-04-04 Thread John Thornton
No one said you have to turn it on once it is built. John gene heskett wrote: On Monday, April 04, 2011 05:42:05 AM Mark Wendt did opine: On 04/03/2011 05:29 PM, gene heskett wrote: On my BP Series 1 I use an Automation Direct GS2 VFD as it is only 1.5hp for the spindle and

Re: [Emc-users] Single to Three Phase Rotary Converters

2011-04-04 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, April 04, 2011 10:00:16 AM John Thornton did opine: No one said you have to turn it on once it is built. John True, but short of more buildings, anything else I get will need a place in out of the weather. This postage stamp, trapezoidal shaped lot has 4 outbuildings on it

Re: [Emc-users] Single to Three Phase Rotary Converters

2011-04-03 Thread John Thornton
John, I think it is finally done... sorry for the delay. http://gnipsel.com/shop/rpc/rpc.xhtml John John Crane wrote: John, Thanks for the update. JRC On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 6:02 AM, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com wrote: I can't find my drawings atm, so I'm recreating them from

Re: [Emc-users] Single to Three Phase Rotary Converters

2011-04-03 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Sun, 2011-04-03 at 10:52 -0400, gene heskett wrote: ... snip I would have a hard time justifying an idling current draw of 35 amps a leg from the 240 to run a 3 horse motor on the machine. This links covers a remote start setup: http://homemetalshopclub.org/projects/phconv/phconv.html

Re: [Emc-users] Single to Three Phase Rotary Converters

2011-04-03 Thread John Thornton
I actually have a 24vdc control on the lathe that starts/stops the phase converter right from the lathe front panel. John Kirk Wallace wrote: On Sun, 2011-04-03 at 10:52 -0400, gene heskett wrote: ... snip I would have a hard time justifying an idling current draw of 35 amps a leg from

Re: [Emc-users] Single to Three Phase Rotary Converters

2011-04-03 Thread gene heskett
On Sunday, April 03, 2011 04:58:59 PM Dave did opine: It's won't draw anything close to 35 amps and a lot of the currrent it draws will be reactive power (KVARS) which your power meter does not sense (at least it should not). 15 hp is pretty big though, but if the price is right, I'd try it

Re: [Emc-users] Single to Three Phase Rotary Converters

2011-04-03 Thread gene heskett
On Sunday, April 03, 2011 05:15:32 PM Kirk Wallace did opine: On Sun, 2011-04-03 at 10:52 -0400, gene heskett wrote: ... snip I would have a hard time justifying an idling current draw of 35 amps a leg from the 240 to run a 3 horse motor on the machine. This links covers a remote start

Re: [Emc-users] Single to Three Phase Rotary Converters

2011-04-03 Thread gene heskett
On Sunday, April 03, 2011 05:22:28 PM John Thornton did opine: I run my lathe and mill from it. The lathe is about 7.5hp spindle and the mill is about 7.5hp spindle. And of course it is so convenient I just turn it on when needed and off when not. My EMC machines the computer is on 120vac so

Re: [Emc-users] Single to Three Phase Rotary Converters

2011-04-03 Thread Dave
Right, Amprobes can only measure absolute current. Theorectically a load could draw 10 amps at 230 volts and it would not spin your power meter at all if it had a power factor of zero. But that is pretty much impossible. If the power factor was 50% then the total watts being consumed and

Re: [Emc-users] Single to Three Phase Rotary Converters

2011-03-27 Thread John Thornton
I can't find my drawings atm, so I'm recreating them from scratch and will post them as soon as done. Just wanted to let you know I did not forget although sometimes I do. John John Crane wrote: Thanks, John R. Crane On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 7:27 AM, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Emc-users] Single to Three Phase Rotary Converters

2011-03-27 Thread John Crane
John, Thanks for the update. JRC On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 6:02 AM, John Thornton bjt...@gmail.com wrote: I can't find my drawings atm, so I'm recreating them from scratch and will post them as soon as done. Just wanted to let you know I did not forget although sometimes I do. John John

Re: [Emc-users] Single to Three Phase Rotary Converters

2011-03-23 Thread John Crane
Thanks, John R. Crane On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 7:27 AM, John Thornton bjt...@gmail.com wrote: John, I'll dig out my schematic and make sure it is up to date and figure a way to post it to the list. John John Crane wrote: John, I would like to know more about the way you have

Re: [Emc-users] Single to Three Phase Rotary Converters

2011-03-21 Thread John Thornton
John, I'll dig out my schematic and make sure it is up to date and figure a way to post it to the list. John John Crane wrote: John, I would like to know more about the way you have engineered your phase converters. I am in the process of adding this capability in my shop. Thanks,

Re: [Emc-users] Single to Three Phase Rotary Converters

2011-03-20 Thread John Crane
John, I would like to know more about the way you have engineered your phase converters. I am in the process of adding this capability in my shop. Thanks, John R. Crane On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 5:53 AM, John Thornton bjt...@gmail.com wrote: I have three rotary phase converters. The are all

Re: [Emc-users] Single to Three Phase Rotary Converters

2011-03-20 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Sun, 2011-03-20 at 13:35 -0500, John Crane wrote: John, I would like to know more about the way you have engineered your phase converters. I am in the process of adding this capability in my shop. Thanks, John R. Crane In case it might help, this is the design I used:

Re: [Emc-users] Single to Three Phase Rotary Converters

2011-03-17 Thread John Thornton
I have three rotary phase converters. The are all using a potential relay for the start caps and a relay that pulls in the mains. So I don't have to hold the push button and if the power drops out for a few seconds the phase converter does not try and restart without the start caps. I've not

Re: [Emc-users] Single to Three Phase Rotary Converters

2011-03-16 Thread Dave
Back when I put my 10 hp phase converter together, I found some charts on the web someplace about suggested capacitor sizing. I found a cheap supply of capacitors at Mendelson's in Dayton, Ohio and bought a small box of them. I ended up using I believe, 4 - 330 uf 330 volt units as

Re: [Emc-users] Single to Three Phase Rotary Converters

2011-03-14 Thread Ed Nisley
On Mon, 2011-03-14 at 11:00 +, andy pugh wrote: which caused some worrying sizzling noises. Obviously, your radio isn't turned up nearly loud enough... (Which helps with car repairs, too.) -- Ed http://softsolder.com

Re: [Emc-users] Single to Three Phase Rotary Converters

2011-03-14 Thread andy pugh
On 14 March 2011 15:30, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: If I read it right, it is being said that perhaps a capacitor of the correct value to create a usable phase lead, from L1 or L2 to L3, will start a 3 phase motor on single phase power, direction of the rotation dependent on which 2

Re: [Emc-users] Single to Three Phase Rotary Converters

2011-03-14 Thread dave
On Mon, 2011-03-14 at 15:41 +, andy pugh wrote: On 14 March 2011 15:30, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: If I read it right, it is being said that perhaps a capacitor of the correct value to create a usable phase lead, from L1 or L2 to L3, will start a 3 phase motor on single

Re: [Emc-users] Single to Three Phase Rotary Converters

2011-03-14 Thread Peter Blodow
Gentlemen, using a phase pusher capacitor is a cheap and common workaround when a three phase supply isn't available. I have used this with a lathe for some time, since a machine like this doesn't need its full power most of the time and it always starts idling without load. Ordinary three

Re: [Emc-users] Single to Three Phase Rotary Converters

2011-03-14 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Mon, 2011-03-14 at 17:58 +0100, Peter Blodow wrote: ... snip A capacitor connected to one leg of the two-phase system produces a 90 degree phase shift relative to this lead. Using this as a mock three phase system, you will have 180 + 90 +90 degrees for a revolution including a direction

Re: [Emc-users] Single to Three Phase Rotary Converters

2011-03-14 Thread andy pugh
On 14 March 2011 19:42, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: In case my attachment doesn't go through, here is my graphical study of a rotary three phase converter: http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/EMC2/three_phase_converter-1a.png You have 2-phase power? In the UK we

Re: [Emc-users] Single to Three Phase Rotary Converters

2011-03-14 Thread Igor Chudov
Kirk, I believe that now you got everything completely right. i On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.comwrote: On Mon, 2011-03-14 at 17:58 +0100, Peter Blodow wrote: ... snip A capacitor connected to one leg of the two-phase system produces a 90 degree

Re: [Emc-users] Single to Three Phase Rotary Converters

2011-03-14 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Mon, 2011-03-14 at 14:54 -0500, Igor Chudov wrote: Kirk, I believe that now you got everything completely right. i Thank you. This is why I value when people let me know when I may be wrong. -- Kirk Wallace http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/

Re: [Emc-users] Single to Three Phase Rotary Converters

2011-03-14 Thread Peter Blodow
Hello Andy, it's just the same here, if you separate the usual three phase supply into three separate 230 V-systems, each defined to ground. I was talking about a, say, small household, where only one of these phases is available. Other households in the same building may have others of the

Re: [Emc-users] Single to Three Phase Rotary Converters

2011-03-14 Thread Peter Blodow
Kirk Wallace schrieb: On Mon, 2011-03-14 at 22:55 +0100, Peter Blodow wrote: Kirk, Neutral is not to be considered. You have two wires coming from the supplier. Adding a capacitor makes three of them. The two mains lines are 180 degrees apart by definition. The capacitor makes a third

Re: [Emc-users] Single to Three Phase Rotary Converters

2011-03-14 Thread Jon Elson
On 14 March 2011 10:50, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com wrote: Is it not amazing that the hillbillies from backwoods Missouri with a 3rd grade education can make a rotary phase converter without all the math... Of course! The trick is the windings in the motor do all the math

Re: [Emc-users] Single to Three Phase Rotary Converters

2011-03-13 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 12:35 AM, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.comwrote: Let me try to provide more details on my understanding of the phase timing of DIY converters. Attached is a schematic of a common rotary converter. The source is here:

[Emc-users] Single to Three Phase Rotary Converters

2011-03-08 Thread Kirk Wallace
Let me try to provide more details on my understanding of the phase timing of DIY converters. Attached is a schematic of a common rotary converter. The source is here: http://www.metalwebnews.com/howto/ph-conv/ph-conv.html http://www.metalwebnews.com/howto/ph-conv/fig1.html I used this to make