Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 00:03:33 -0500 Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Jose Gonzalez wrote: > > Gustavo wrote: > >> Since Edje is target at designers (ie: colors are not premul, etc), I > >> think we should go with JS since most designers know it somehow, even > >> if they don't really kno

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:12:00 -0500 "Nathan Ingersoll" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 7:46 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > oh of course. details! :) we can dot the i's and cross the t's soon > > enough. :) > > Unfortunately, this really

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] [website] cms?

2008-08-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:18:23 -0500 "Nathan Ingersoll" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: i agree here. i like our fairly flat (and lax) access structure. if we trust you to go writing bits of e.org's website - we trust you to write code - if that is your skill, or to just know to keep your hands off what

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:53 AM, dan sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2-Aug-08, at 1:40 AM, Nick Hughart wrote: >> Vincent Torri wrote: >>> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008, dan sinclair wrote: I'd say you're so eager to release something you're not thinking about the impression it gives. C

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:40 AM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Vincent Torri wrote: >> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008, dan sinclair wrote: >> >> >>> I'd say you're so eager to release something you're not thinking about >>> the impression it gives. Changing things in a pre-1.0 is fine and >>> expect

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Nick Hughart
dan sinclair wrote: > > On 2-Aug-08, at 1:40 AM, Nick Hughart wrote: > >> Vincent Torri wrote: >>> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008, dan sinclair wrote: >>> >>> I'd say you're so eager to release something you're not thinking about the impression it gives. Changing things in a pre-1.0 is fine and

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Jose Gonzalez
Gustavo wrote: > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 1:40 AM, Jose Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Gustavo wrote: >> >>> Since Edje is target at designers (ie: colors are not premul, etc), I >>> think we should go with JS since most designers know it somehow, even >>> if they don't really know,

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 2-Aug-08, at 1:51 AM, Vincent Torri wrote: > > > On Sat, 2 Aug 2008, dan sinclair wrote: > >> >> How does our changing now affect them any different then if we >> changed in 6 months? > > As I said, you think that we will release the next major release > (with api changes, etc..) in 6 mont

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 2-Aug-08, at 1:40 AM, Nick Hughart wrote: > Vincent Torri wrote: >> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008, dan sinclair wrote: >> >> >>> I'd say you're so eager to release something you're not thinking >>> about >>> the impression it gives. Changing things in a pre-1.0 is fine and >>> expected. Releasing a 1.0

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Vincent Torri
On Sat, 2 Aug 2008, dan sinclair wrote: > > How does our changing now affect them any different then if we changed in 6 > months? As I said, you think that we will release the next major release (with api changes, etc..) in 6 months and I don't think that it will happen within 6 months. Mayb

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 2-Aug-08, at 1:37 AM, Vincent Torri wrote: > On Sat, 2 Aug 2008, dan sinclair wrote: >> >> On 2-Aug-08, at 1:03 AM, Vincent Torri wrote: >> > This is probably better to do before we release. If we put out > Edje > with Embryo support and then remove Embryo with Edje2 we'll be >>

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Nick Hughart
Vincent Torri wrote: > On Sat, 2 Aug 2008, dan sinclair wrote: > > >> I'd say you're so eager to release something you're not thinking about >> the impression it gives. Changing things in a pre-1.0 is fine and >> expected. Releasing a 1.0 and then breaking it or making major changes >> a few mon

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Vincent Torri
On Sat, 2 Aug 2008, dan sinclair wrote: > > On 2-Aug-08, at 1:03 AM, Vincent Torri wrote: > >> >> This is probably better to do before we release. If we put out Edje with Embryo support and then remove Embryo with Edje2 we'll be pissing off a lot of people that create themes and

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Vincent Torri
On Sat, 2 Aug 2008, dan sinclair wrote: > I'd say you're so eager to release something you're not thinking about > the impression it gives. Changing things in a pre-1.0 is fine and > expected. Releasing a 1.0 and then breaking it or making major changes > a few months down the road is a very bad

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] [website] cms?

2008-08-01 Thread Nathan Ingersoll
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:27 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > so eventually went back to an old original method. www lives in cvs - u want > to > work on it, u get cvs access. committing means it auto-updates. if u need to > test the php locally setting up a local a

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 2-Aug-08, at 1:03 AM, Vincent Torri wrote: > > >>> This is probably better to do before we release. If we put out Edje >>> with Embryo support and then remove Embryo with Edje2 we'll be >>> pissing >>> off a lot of people that create themes and applications. Better to >>> bite the bullet an

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Nathan Ingersoll
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 7:46 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > oh of course. details! :) we can dot the i's and cross the t's soon enough. :) Unfortunately, this really needs to be done sooner than later. Without a license listed, we now need to get the permission of

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:02 AM, dan sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2-Aug-08, at 12:52 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 1:39 AM, dan sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >>> >>> You're releasing something before it should be released just to give the >>> impr

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Vincent Torri
>> This is probably better to do before we release. If we put out Edje >> with Embryo support and then remove Embryo with Edje2 we'll be pissing >> off a lot of people that create themes and applications. Better to >> bite the bullet and deal with it now and get it done. and what about people t

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Nick Hughart
Jose Gonzalez wrote: > Gustavo wrote: >> Since Edje is target at designers (ie: colors are not premul, etc), I >> think we should go with JS since most designers know it somehow, even >> if they don't really know, they think they do and they will not be >> afraid of trying it... Also, many systems

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 2-Aug-08, at 12:52 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 1:39 AM, dan sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> You're releasing something before it should be released just to >> give the >> impression of a 1.0 for something that isn't 1.0. That leaves a >> worse ta

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 1:54 AM, Toma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As someone with no scripting or coding experience, I found embryo to > be quite easy to get a handle on. I havent tried learning all those > other ones, but when it comes to all the different code stuff in Edje, > you really have to

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Toma
As someone with no scripting or coding experience, I found embryo to be quite easy to get a handle on. I havent tried learning all those other ones, but when it comes to all the different code stuff in Edje, you really have to keep it as simple as possible. After all, edje is a canvas for art reall

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 1:39 AM, dan sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 2-Aug-08, at 12:33 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >> >> Guys, maybe you're forgetting about it, maybe you're hiding behind the >> "we have not released a stable version for this reason", but the fact >> is that this

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 1:40 AM, Jose Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gustavo wrote: >> >> Since Edje is target at designers (ie: colors are not premul, etc), I >> think we should go with JS since most designers know it somehow, even >> if they don't really know, they think they do and they wi

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Jose Gonzalez
Gustavo wrote: > Since Edje is target at designers (ie: colors are not premul, etc), I > think we should go with JS since most designers know it somehow, even > if they don't really know, they think they do and they will not be > afraid of trying it... Also, many systems use it as scripting > langu

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 2-Aug-08, at 12:33 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > Guys, maybe you're forgetting about it, maybe you're hiding behind the > "we have not released a stable version for this reason", but the fact > is that this will happen even now. Since there was not a release, > people just assumed that

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 1:22 AM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >> >> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 12:10 AM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Michael Jennings wrote: >>> On Saturday, 02 August 2008, at 10:52:08 (+1000), Carsten Ha

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 9:46 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 20:27:30 -0400 dan sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: >> On 1-Aug-08, at 6:17 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: >> > 2. edje - i have been mulling dropping embryo in favor of

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Nick Hughart
Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 12:10 AM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Michael Jennings wrote: >> >>> On Saturday, 02 August 2008, at 10:52:08 (+1000), >>> Carsten Haitzler wrote: >>> >>> >>> seems there's a few votes for keep of embryo.

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 12:10 AM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael Jennings wrote: >> On Saturday, 02 August 2008, at 10:52:08 (+1000), >> Carsten Haitzler wrote: >> >> >>> seems there's a few votes for keep of embryo. i'm going to just monitor the >>> sentiment here - i'm agnostic

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Nick Hughart
Michael Jennings wrote: > On Saturday, 02 August 2008, at 10:52:08 (+1000), > Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > >> seems there's a few votes for keep of embryo. i'm going to just monitor the >> sentiment here - i'm agnostic really - though edje needs a LOT better >> "scripting" support. yes JS might b

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 1-Aug-08, at 8:55 PM, Luchezar Petkov wrote: > > > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 3:53 AM, dan sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > On 1-Aug-08, at 8:38 PM, Luchezar Petkov wrote: > Setup a blog on one of the many blogging platforms around and we can > syndicate the feed to planet.e.org. As r

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Michael Jennings
On Saturday, 02 August 2008, at 10:52:08 (+1000), Carsten Haitzler wrote: > seems there's a few votes for keep of embryo. i'm going to just monitor the > sentiment here - i'm agnostic really - though edje needs a LOT better > "scripting" support. yes JS might be an option - python imho is just awa

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Luchezar Petkov
> > > > It only seems to be happening to you and Tomas blog. Everyone else is fine. > It isn't wordpress in general as my blog is wordpress and it works fine. > Just the two that are served from wordpress.com. Should I consider moving the blog to another blog hosting service then? > > > dan > >

Re: [E-devel] Proposed evas gfx api changes and additions - part I!.

2008-08-01 Thread Jose Gonzalez
Carsten wrote: > . >> Exactly. It's useful to have a variety of 'objs', some compound, >> some primitive, etc. >> I think both an "svg" object (set an svg file/group, support affine >> transforms) and a "cairo" >> object (an implicit cairo surface to draw on, set updates, etc), and

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 20:57:03 -0400 dan sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > On 1-Aug-08, at 8:46 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > >> There is also a bug in Edje that has bitten us in Ewl a few times > >> where re-using Edje objects seems to cause strange things to hang > >> aroun

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 1-Aug-08, at 8:55 PM, Luchezar Petkov wrote: > > > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 3:53 AM, dan sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > On 1-Aug-08, at 8:38 PM, Luchezar Petkov wrote: > Setup a blog on one of the many blogging platforms around and we can > syndicate the feed to planet.e.org. As r

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 1-Aug-08, at 8:46 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: >> There is also a bug in Edje that has bitten us in Ewl a few times >> where re-using Edje objects seems to cause strange things to hang >> around. I believe pfritz was the last person to look into this so he >> might have some more

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Luchezar Petkov
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 3:53 AM, dan sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 1-Aug-08, at 8:38 PM, Luchezar Petkov wrote: > >> Setup a blog on one of the many blogging platforms around and we can >> syndicate the feed to planet.e.org. As relevant posts appear we can add >> news items about them

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 1-Aug-08, at 8:38 PM, Luchezar Petkov wrote: > Setup a blog on one of the many blogging platforms around and we can > syndicate the feed to planet.e.org. As relevant posts appear we can > add news items about them that point back to the blog. > > http://enlightenedjournal.wordpress.com/ >

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 02:40:29 +0300 "Luchezar Petkov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 1:17 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I can do that. I've been reading the CVS logs, E-devel discussions and stuff > for years, so I think I can post news

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 20:27:30 -0400 dan sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > On 1-Aug-08, at 6:17 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > yeah. i agree we need releases. it's probably our biggest issue. > > right now in > > lib-space i'd want to clean up 2 major thnigs that are curre

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 08:25:17 +0800 Toma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: seems there's a few votes for keep of embryo. i'm going to just monitor the sentiment here - i'm agnostic really - though edje needs a LOT better "scripting" support. yes JS might be an option - python imho is just away too big an

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Luchezar Petkov
> > > This is probably better to do before we release. If we put out Edje > with Embryo support and then remove Embryo with Edje2 we'll be pissing > off a lot of people that create themes and applications. Better to > bite the bullet and deal with it now and get it done. I completely agree. >

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Luchezar Petkov
> Setup a blog on one of the many blogging platforms around and we can > syndicate the feed to planet.e.org. As relevant posts appear we can add > news items about them that point back to the blog. http://enlightenedjournal.wordpress.com/ Any suggestions, guys? > > > dan > > > > -- Luchezar

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 1-Aug-08, at 6:17 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > yeah. i agree we need releases. it's probably our biggest issue. > right now in > lib-space i'd want to clean up 2 major thnigs that are currently > underway: > > 1. eina - move fully to using it. remove all data stuff from eco

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Toma
2008/8/2 Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: >> On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:23:41 -0300 "Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: >> >> >>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Toma wrote: > Does

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 1-Aug-08, at 7:40 PM, Luchezar Petkov wrote: > I can do that. I've been reading the CVS logs, E-devel discussions > and stuff > for years, so I think I can post news and blog about the major > events in the > community/changes in the E(FL). The problem is, I am quite tech- > interested, >

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Nick Hughart
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:23:41 -0300 "Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > >> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Toma wrote: >>> Does embryo have any use without edje? If n

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Viktor Kojouharov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 08:30 +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote: >> On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:23:41 -0300 "Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: >> >> > On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROT

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 7:30 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:23:41 -0300 "Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > >> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Toma wrote: >> >> >> >> Does embr

Re: [E-devel] Load an image from memory for evas

2008-08-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 01:21:26 +0200 Timo Drick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Hi all, > > i would like to make a proof of concept for displaying a jpeg video > stream with evas. I will compare this to gtk. It is for a project that > should run on the new Freerunner from Openmoko so performance i

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Luchezar Petkov
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 1:17 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > as for blogging - yes. we need this. this is good. i've always liked the > idea > of a tech-interested person that reads cvs commit logs, hangs on irc and > reads > email.. and kind of blogs about the

[E-devel] Load an image from memory for evas

2008-08-01 Thread Timo Drick
Hi all, i would like to make a proof of concept for displaying a jpeg video stream with evas. I will compare this to gtk. It is for a project that should run on the new Freerunner from Openmoko so performance is relevant. My problem: the evas function: evas_object_image_file_set(image, "test.

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Viktor Kojouharov
On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 08:30 +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:23:41 -0300 "Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > > On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Toma wrote: > > >> > > >> Does embryo have any use without ed

Re: [E-devel] Proposed evas gfx api changes and additions - part I.

2008-08-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:04:39 +0200 "Jorge Luis Zapata Muga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Jose Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As the subject states, let me make a (relatively) short summary of some > > proposed changes and additions to the evas gfx

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:40:04 -0500 "Nathan Ingersoll" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Since the most recent license flamewar was triggered by the motivation > of community building, I think now would be an appropriate time to > brainstorm some additional ideas for helping to build the community > a

Re: [E-devel] Proposed evas gfx api changes and additions - part I.

2008-08-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:17:17 -0400 Jose Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > fair enough. are co-ords relative to object or canvas-global? i think we > > possible needs to make this object-relative? > > > > > > Object relative, ie. rel to obj's coord sys. - that works best for > e

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] [website] cms?

2008-08-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 10:46:01 -0700 "Ian Caldwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > So now it is your chance to tell us why we should be using a specific cms > verses the alternative of just making our own specific to our needs and > keeping it minimalistic. Please give the pros and the cons and explo

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:23:41 -0300 "Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Toma wrote: > >> > >> Does embryo have any use without edje? If not, why not wait till edje > >> is ready for release and send the

Re: [E-devel] Proposed evas gfx api changes and additions - part I!.

2008-08-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:17:34 -0400 Jose Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: >Carsten wrote: > > > On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:58:24 -0400 Jose Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > babbled: > > > > > >> Ok, now for a proposed api for evas "vgfx objects" -- a very simple > >> one, but general

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:52:31 +1000 David Seikel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:36:55 +0930 Samuel Nicholas > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Nick Hughart wrote: > > > Toma wrote: > > > > > >> LoCo's (local communities) are a great way to get people involved. > > >> You j

Re: [E-devel] [website] What would you like to see on the new site?

2008-08-01 Thread Nick Hughart
dan sinclair wrote: > On 1-Aug-08, at 4:47 PM, dan sinclair wrote: > >>> *5. weekly or biweekly articles* >>> >>> >> Ditto to 1. They can also write the articles on the Wiki which is >> probably a better choice. Makes them easier to maintain in the long >> run. They can then be link

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina cedric

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
The COPYING file for this is currently blank. What license is this work under? Can someone please fill in the COPYING file. Thanks, dan On 30-Jul-08, at 8:46 AM, Enlightenment CVS wrote: > Enlightenment CVS committal > > Author : cedric > Project : e17 > Module : proto/eina > > Dir : e

Re: [E-devel] [website] What would you like to see on the new site?

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 1-Aug-08, at 4:47 PM, dan sinclair wrote: >> *5. weekly or biweekly articles* >> > > Ditto to 1. They can also write the articles on the Wiki which is > probably a better choice. Makes them easier to maintain in the long > run. They can then be linked from the main site. This is what we

Re: [E-devel] [website] What would you like to see on the new site?

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 1-Aug-08, at 2:04 PM, Ian Caldwell wrote: > What would you like to see on the new website? What goals do you > think it > should have. > My personal views are this is what we need to see differently. Feel > free to > chime in and add to what you'd like to see on the new site > > *1.

Re: [E-devel] [website] What would you like to see on the new site?

2008-08-01 Thread Viktor Kojouharov
Err, not to burst your bubble or anything, but there wasn't a lot of 'writing' going on at get-e. On Fri, 2008-08-01 at 13:28 -0700, Ian Caldwell wrote: > well, now that get-e is basically shut down. that opens up some more writers > right there. > > On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 1:26 PM, dn sinclair <[

Re: [E-devel] [website] cms?

2008-08-01 Thread Viktor Kojouharov
I can suggest http://bricolage.cc/ . I've heard good things about it, and I'm a perl guy myself. Though according to wikipedia, a recent version embeds the php5 interpreter, so the php guys can feel at home too. On Fri, 2008-08-01 at 16:23 -0400, Sthithaprajna Garapaty wrote: > The only reason for

Re: [E-devel] [website] What would you like to see on the new site?

2008-08-01 Thread Ian Caldwell
well, now that get-e is basically shut down. that opens up some more writers right there. On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 1:26 PM, dn sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 1-Aug-08, at 3:41 PM, Veli Ogla Sungutay wrote: > > > Articles friends. We need lots of them. Even a small tutorial, small > > us

Re: [E-devel] [website] What would you like to see on the new site?

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 1-Aug-08, at 3:41 PM, Veli Ogla Sungutay wrote: > Articles friends. We need lots of them. Even a small tutorial, small > usage > examples would do. Saying we need articles is fine. Finding people to write good articles is hard. dan --

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 1-Aug-08, at 2:49 PM, Michael Jennings wrote: > On Friday, 01 August 2008, at 20:38:46 (+0200), > Vincent Torri wrote: > >> I have no design, but i have already complained about the web site >> on the ML. I'm not a good designers, but i think that there are some >> things that MUST appear on a

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Toma wrote: >> >> Does embryo have any use without edje? If not, why not wait till edje >> is ready for release and send them out together? >> Toma >> > > Yes it does, it just isn't really used outside of edje at this point.

Re: [E-devel] [website] cms?

2008-08-01 Thread Sthithaprajna Garapaty
The only reason for php would be that a number of the devs are familiar with it, so if we need to write our own integration pieces, it might be easier. But the server is ours and we can install anything on it.. so PHP is not a hard restriction. On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Viktor Kojouharov <[E

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Nick Hughart
Toma wrote: > Does embryo have any use without edje? If not, why not wait till edje > is ready for release and send them out together? > Toma > Yes it does, it just isn't really used outside of edje at this point. > 2008/8/2 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> Hi guys, >> >> As

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Toma
Does embryo have any use without edje? If not, why not wait till edje is ready for release and send them out together? Toma 2008/8/2 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi guys, > > As we're discussing on lots of threads, it would be good, if not > necessary, to release parts of E that

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 1-Aug-08, at 10:40 AM, Matteo wrote: >> because raster did it like that :-D >> I'm not sure why people don't want to use a cms, but I've being told >> that they want to keep like that (cvs based). > > > If you keep it CVS-based, it's hard to develop and hard to update > with news, > topic an

Re: [E-devel] [website] What would you like to see on the new site?

2008-08-01 Thread Viktor Kojouharov
The major part. If it is not done already, separate the presentation from the logic code. Make sure a designer can do the job of styling the site without touching any underlying code. On Fri, 2008-08-01 at 11:04 -0700, Ian Caldwell wrote: > What would you like to see on the new website? What goals

Re: [E-devel] [website] cms?

2008-08-01 Thread Viktor Kojouharov
Should it be strictly written in php? The current website uses php, but perhaps the doors are open for other languages, and the cmses written in them. On Fri, 2008-08-01 at 10:46 -0700, Ian Caldwell wrote: > So now it is your chance to tell us why we should be using a specific cms > verses the alt

Re: [E-devel] [website] What would you like to see on the new site?

2008-08-01 Thread Andre Dieb
There are a bunch of articles, but you won't reach them easily (like in a list). (I always need to consult something on the wiki or docs and it's always a pain to find related links). I think a list of related links (such as wikipedia.org ones) at the bottom would be really useful. Cheersm 2008/

Re: [E-devel] [website] What would you like to see on the new site?

2008-08-01 Thread Veli Ogla Sungutay
Articles friends. We need lots of them. Even a small tutorial, small usage examples would do. On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 9:04 PM, Ian Caldwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What would you like to see on the new website? What goals do you think it > should have. > My personal views are this is what we

[E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
Hi guys, As we're discussing on lots of threads, it would be good, if not necessary, to release parts of E that we think are in good shape. This will help in many fronts, including easy of use since distros will start to package it officially. After Eet, I'd like to see Embryo release since it's m

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Vincent Torri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Michael Jennings wrote: > >>> I agree. And that's exactly the opposite of raster's way of leading >>> the project. He said that a lot, btw : he does NOT want to impose >>> things to committers. >> >>

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Vincent Torri
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Michael Jennings wrote: >> I agree. And that's exactly the opposite of raster's way of leading >> the project. He said that a lot, btw : he does NOT want to impose >> things to committers. > > So why are you afraid he'll do so? i am not, it's the contrary. I just want that s

Re: [E-devel] [website] What would you like to see on the new site?

2008-08-01 Thread Vincent Torri
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Ian Caldwell wrote: What would you like to see on the new website? What goals do you think it should have. one remark and one question: My personal views are this is what we need to see differently. Feel free to chime in and add to what you'd like to see on the new site

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Michael Jennings
On Friday, 01 August 2008, at 20:38:46 (+0200), Vincent Torri wrote: > I have no design, but i have already complained about the web site > on the ML. I'm not a good designers, but i think that there are some > things that MUST appear on a web site. All I'm saying is, if something better had come

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Ian Caldwell
First off. Lets clear a couple things up. No one is not involving the community. I was just saying wait a couple days so that we can clear up some details with the boss (raster) . Now if you have opinions on the site share your cms ones in the cms thread and the general ones in the what you want t

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Vincent Torri
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Michael Jennings wrote: On Friday, 01 August 2008, at 19:47:22 (+0200), Vincent Torri wrote: So what ? Just an example of something that is nice (that is exchange) does not mean that everything will be nice. I never said that. But it does illustrate that doing somethin

Re: [E-devel] [website] What would you like to see on the new site?

2008-08-01 Thread Nick Hughart
Ian Caldwell wrote: > Yup, I'd like to eliminate submenus completely One navigation on all pages > that has links to pretty much everything. The goal of the new site is make > it a lot more usable. With regularly updated news, and a lot of static > content around it. > This is bad design imo, i

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Downknew Wise
I think that the community. if it exists, should be involved!!! Then if raster doesn't mind the e users opinion and does what he belivies right, it isn't very important. But blog, write the plans and the projects in ml on the site on blogs where u want. Many users are tired to see that it changed n

Re: [E-devel] Proposed evas gfx api changes and additions - part I.

2008-08-01 Thread Jose Gonzalez
Gustavo wrote: > Join late the discussion and badly starting with a top-post, I think > that trying to make Evas a canvas that supports both raster, vector > and maybe other (3d?) is bad, it will increase complexity, decrease > performance or both. > > Increased complexity, yes - in the s

Re: [E-devel] [website] What would you like to see on the new site?

2008-08-01 Thread Ian Caldwell
Yup, I'd like to eliminate submenus completely One navigation on all pages that has links to pretty much everything. The goal of the new site is make it a lot more usable. With regularly updated news, and a lot of static content around it. On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Zachary Goldberg <[EMAI

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Ian Caldwell
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Downknew Wise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Sorry... i've read only now the other mails. I'll wait for the new e > website... but would be nice if the webdesigner involved the community in > the developement, at least with the mailing list... > > With the last mails

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Michael Jennings
On Friday, 01 August 2008, at 19:47:22 (+0200), Vincent Torri wrote: > So what ? Just an example of something that is nice (that is > exchange) does not mean that everything will be nice. I never said that. But it does illustrate that doing something in secret does not inherently invalidate it o

Re: [E-devel] [website] What would you like to see on the new site?

2008-08-01 Thread Zachary Goldberg
On 8/1/08, Ian Caldwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What would you like to see on the new website? What goals do you think it > should have. > My personal views are this is what we need to see differently. Feel free to > chime in and add to what you'd like to see on the new site > > *1. Crea

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Nick Hughart
Downknew Wise wrote: > 2008/8/1 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Downknew Wise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >>> Right!!! >>> >>> Now the site could have all the contents and the documentation necessary >>> >> to >> >>> the

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Downknew Wise
Sorry... i've read only now the other mails. I'll wait for the new e website... but would be nice if the webdesigner involved the community in the developement, at least with the mailing list... With the last mails i 've understand that this isn't a community... and e cannot have its community...

[E-devel] [website] What would you like to see on the new site?

2008-08-01 Thread Ian Caldwell
What would you like to see on the new website? What goals do you think it should have. My personal views are this is what we need to see differently. Feel free to chime in and add to what you'd like to see on the new site *1. Create links to all the software ( wiki, bug tracker, forums, sour

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Downknew Wise
I've downloaded the e site from cvs. The php backend it's ok but ther's a little problem: seems that the graphic isn't fully divided from the code. In a website complex, such as this, the graphic side should be indipendent from the backend to make the update work and the enhancements, the graphic i

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Vincent Torri
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Michael Jennings wrote: > On Friday, 01 August 2008, at 19:29:25 (+0200), > Vincent Torri wrote: > >> As always, everyone is doing is job without mentioning it. I was not >> aware of a redesign of the website, i don't know what it will look >> like. >> >> At least, you should

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