Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-25 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 24, 2014, at 9:57 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I think Ben G can build this car. However, I'm not sure he's going to get absolutely everything he wants (range, power, price). As with so many other things : go far, go fast, go cheap : pick two. :-\ I'd

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-25 Thread Willie2 via EV
On 07/25/2014 04:59 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote: I'd appreciate if somebody can check my math on the current leading candidate. It's a Voltronix 3.2V 60Ah 8C cell that EVWest sells for $78 / ea: I haven't been following this discussion closely, but this is an ICE with a motor assist? Do you

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-25 Thread Roland via EV
PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.orgmailto:ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I think Ben G can build this car. However, I'm not sure he's going to get absolutely everything he wants (range, power, price). As with so many other things : go far, go fast, go cheap : pick two

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-25 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 25, 2014, at 3:21 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Why on the world would you need over 200kW unless you are doing a race car? Well, each AC-51 is rated for ~80 kW; I'm assuming a pair is ~160 kW -- which is about the same as the 260 motor in the car already. Seemed

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-25 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 25, 2014, at 3:51 PM, Roland e...@msn.com wrote: I thought someone contacted you about there Nissan Leaf battery packs. I click up there site that was sent to you (hybrid auto center.com) and one battery pack is rated at 182V nominal at 12kw/h. Contains 24 modules at 7.8V/60ah

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-25 Thread Peter Gabrielsson via EV
http://www.a123systems.com/ On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Ben Apollonio via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Too bad A123 went under. Their cells would have been PERFECT. You could consider the EnerDel high-power modules carried by evolve electrics (and possibly others, but I haven't seen

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-25 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 25, 2014, at 4:21 PM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Two strings of 45 gets 200 kW with 20 kWh at 500 pounds for $3900 -- something *much* more reasonable than anything I had calculated earlier. Hmmm...I found a bug in the spreadsheet; cost is $7200...but still moving

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-25 Thread Dennis Miles via EV
are intelligent enough, **to know, that there is plenty left to learn!* * You Tube Video link: http://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss http://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss * On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On Jul 25, 2014, at 3:21 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-25 Thread Dennis Miles via EV
http://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss * On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Ben, It is not the motor asking for a certain amount of electricity, the setup: battery - controller - motor places the motor in the dependent position, how much that the *controller

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-25 Thread Ben Goren via EV
Thanks for the detailed explanation, Cor. I think I'm still having a hard time warping my head 'round torque and power requirements and all the rest. I'm thinking I need some good way to calculate (or at least guesstimate) *actual* power requirements so I can compare with what I'm seeing on

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Smart Fortwo EV's Resiliency Safety (videos)

2014-07-25 Thread Al via EV
Notice there is no *rear* crash test. Al - Original Message - From: brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 3:26 AM Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: Smart Fortwo EV's Resiliency Safety (videos) http://www.benzinsider.com/2014/07/videos-show

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-25 Thread jerry freedomev via EV
. Jerry Dycus   On Friday, July 25, 2014 9:56 PM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On Jul 25, 2014, at 3:51 PM, Roland e...@msn.com wrote: I thought someone contacted you about there Nissan Leaf battery packs.  I click up there site

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-07-25 Thread Dennis Miles via EV
: http://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss http://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss * On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Ben Apollonio via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: For your hybrid application, I'd go with the AC. One word: regen -- without it to recharge the battery, hybrid mode is of little benefit; better

[EVDL] EVLN: EV Engineer's 6k-mi UK Trip on a 3-Wheel Solar-Tuk-Tuk (video)

2014-07-26 Thread brucedp5 via EV
Brave duo attempts to schlep across Eurasia in solar-powered tuk-tuk http://ecofriend.org/journey-6000-miles-across-10-countries-zero-carbon-emissions/ The journey of 6000 miles across 10 countries, with zero carbon emissions [2014/07/15] [images

[EVDL] Designing in additional incentives to increase plugin purchases

2014-07-26 Thread brucedp5 via EV
I've posted about the U.S. Government's push for V2G, and we all know of CARB regulations making it painful for Automakers if they do not make an effort to get credits so they can sell their profitable ice. But there are likely items plugin-makers could design-in to increase plugin sales.

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Smart Fortwo EV's Resiliency Safety (videos)

2014-07-26 Thread brucedp5 via EV
Al's post reads like it infers that because a media writer was not thorough to include details on a rear crash, that supports a view that the Smart Fortwo is unsafe. Readers should not only rely on a writer's laziness, and do some research of their own to get more information. A web search on

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-07-26 Thread Ben Goren via EV
be a good option. Thanks! b On Jul 25, 2014, at 9:20 PM, Dennis Miles via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: The best scheme I have heard was mentioned a week ago. Use a 4X4 transfer case it has two outputs and one input. Connect it up as follows. V8 and its transmission to the Front axle drive shaft

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-07-26 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
more cells and get 200 miles range. Peri -- Original Message -- From: Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Dennis Miles dmiles33...@gmail.com; Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: 26-Jul-14 6:58:27 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC? Mechanically

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-26 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 26, 2014, at 12:01 AM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Ben, you are right. *if* you can find a 6:1 rear end (the highest that my vehicle can be equipped with is 4.2:1) The car has an 8 rear end, which will go up (down) to 4.11. There's a shop in town that'll build

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-07-26 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 26, 2014, at 7:45 AM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Just one more time, Ben. Do you really need to keep the ICE? Especially with an old car like that - no computer, nothing electronic what so ever, think how easy and simple your configuration would be if electric only

[EVDL] Fwd: Mustang/Hybrid

2014-07-26 Thread Steve Clunn via EV
A few things I haven't seen mentioned is that all these posts are archived so that people can look things up and how crazy am I does not say anything about Mustang hybrid conversions. This is why I replied with a new title so it can be archived for other people to research later. I read that

[EVDL] Fwd: Leaf Blower

2014-07-26 Thread Steve Clunn via EV
I have the Ryobi Electric Leaf Blower and bought it along with a weed wacker, hedge trimmer and chainsaw that all use the same battery . To turn this around keep it on topic I was thinking when purchasing them that their 44V Lithium battery could be used for an electric bicycle. With all these

[EVDL] Ryobi 40 V battery in eBike (was: Leaf Blower)

2014-07-26 Thread Bill Dube via EV
there really is no excuse for running out of juice. Just swap the empty for the full one in the charger. Bill D. On 7/26/2014 2:50 PM, Steve Clunn via EV wrote: I have the Ryobi Electric Leaf Blower and bought it along with a weed wacker, hedge trimmer and chainsaw that all use the same battery

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-26 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 26 Jul 2014 at 8:24, Ben Goren via EV wrote: At 55 MPH with the 4.11 is 3000 RPM; with a single AC-51, that's 22 hp. The single motor would be okay... At the slow end...1000 RPM is ~19 MPH. Five horsepower might not cut it by itself, and 15 MPH school zones might be a problem... IIRC

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-26 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
at standard temperature and pressure. speed: in meters/second will give you the resistance (i.e. force) in N (newtons). Peri -- Original Message -- From: EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: 26-Jul-14 2:23:20 PM Subject: Re

Re: [EVDL] Designing in additional incentives to increase pluginpurchases

2014-07-26 Thread John Lussmyer via EV
On Sat Jul 26 16:43:25 PDT 2014 ev@lists.evdl.org said: Personally, I have bought a cheap 110V 3kW inverter (batteries needed) at the DC voltage of my EV pack, so that I can connect the inverter to this huge energy source and have power for whatever I like to power up in my home. Or I can drive to

Re: [EVDL] Mustang/Hybrid

2014-07-26 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 26, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Steve Clunn via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: A few things I haven't seen mentioned is that all these posts are archived so that people can look things up and how crazy am I does not say anything about Mustang hybrid conversions. This is why I replied with a new

Re: [EVDL] Designing in additional incentives to increase plugin purchases

2014-07-26 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 26, 2014, at 4:13 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: But, what if that plugin (EV or plug-in-hybrid) came with a built-in level-1 (L1) outlet powered by an inverter drawing from the vehicle's pack? I'd love to have some variation on this theme. Actually, I'll have a dedicated

Re: [EVDL] Designing in additional incentives to increase plugin purchases

2014-07-26 Thread Dennis Miles via EV
http://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss * On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 9:02 PM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On Jul 26, 2014, at 4:13 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: But, what if that plugin (EV or plug-in-hybrid) came with a built-in level-1 (L1) outlet powered by an inverter

Re: [EVDL] Designing in additional incentives to increase plugin purchases

2014-07-26 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 26, 2014, at 6:45 PM, Dennis Miles dmiles33...@gmail.com wrote: I have a tiny 100 Watt 60 Hz AC inverter which runs on 12 V.DC which can fool the output of the solar system inverter, and the inverter will match the phase and frequency of the little inverter. Also I am an expert so I

[EVDL] EVLN: Airbus' E-Fan Electric Plane Makes Public Flight In UK (video)

2014-07-27 Thread brucedp5 via EV
Production Plans for 2017 http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1093338_airbus-electric-aircraft-makes-public-flight-in-uk-we-still-want-one Airbus Electric Aircraft Makes Public Flight In UK, We Still Want One By Antony Ingram Jul 18, 2014 [video

[EVDL] EVLN: Sunswift eVe solar-EV uses 22.7% efficient C60 PV cells (video)

2014-07-27 Thread brucedp5 via EV
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[EVDL] EVLN: Sunswift eVe solar-EV uses 22.7% efficient C60 PV cells (video)

2014-07-27 Thread brucedp5 via EV
4wheel 2seat 97%-efficient r:800km/497mi ts:140kph/87mph [*The new spam filter does not like the letters 'you' 'kay' together, so you will have to add it back to use the URLs] http://www.ibtimes.co. k/sunswift-eve-worlds-first-practical-solar-powered-car-1457819 Sunswift Eve: The World's First

[EVDL] Tesla might Supercharge EVs to regain 400mi in 15min for 7 credits

2014-07-27 Thread brucedp5 via EV
% ? Setting the bar higher than what fcvs can do ? % [ref http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Tesla-CEO-Sez-A-More-Expensive-500mi-EV-could-be-quite-soon-tp4670504.html EVLN: Tesla CEO Sez A More Expensive 500mi EV 'could be quite soon' ] I thought why would

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Smart Fortwo EV's Resiliency Safety (videos)

2014-07-27 Thread Martin WINLOW via EV
Have you any evidence to suggest there is a problem with rear impact performance? MW On 26 Jul 2014, at 03:51, Al via EV wrote: Notice there is no *rear* crash test. Al - Original Message - From: brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Friday, July 25

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Smart Fortwo EV's Resiliency Safety (videos)

2014-07-27 Thread Chris Tromley via EV
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 4:38 AM, Martin WINLOW via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Have you any evidence to suggest there is a problem with rear impact performance? MW I agree with Martin that there is no reason to believe there would be any problems with a rear-end crash until we see one

Re: [EVDL] Tesla might Supercharge EVs to regain 400mi in 15min for 7 credits

2014-07-27 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 27, 2014, at 12:49 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: In Tesla’s defense, Straubel says that the current 120-kW Supercharger “seemed pretty crazy even 10 years ago” when conventional chargers delivered under 10kW. So, maybe this theoretical 720 kW Supercharger is possible

Re: [EVDL] Tesla might Supercharge EVs to regain 400mi in 15min for 7 credits

2014-07-27 Thread Bill Woodcock via EV
On Jul 27, 2014, at 8:03 AM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Worst case? Just have an industrial robot plug the cable in. Pull your car up, stay inside the car for five minutes if you don't feel like getting out, and pull away when the signals it's done by re-enabling drive control

Re: [EVDL] Tesla might Supercharge EVs to regain 400mi in 15min for 7 credits

2014-07-27 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Ben Goren via EV wrote: brucedp5 wrote: In Tesla’s defense, Straubel says that the current 120-kW Supercharger “seemed pretty crazy even 10 years ago” when conventional chargers delivered under 10kW. So, maybe this theoretical 720 kW Supercharger is possible…in time. But what’s the work-around

Re: [EVDL] Tesla might Supercharge EVs to regain 400mi in 15min for 7 credits

2014-07-27 Thread Dennis Miles via EV
AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: % ? Setting the bar higher than what fcvs can do ? % [ref http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Tesla-CEO-Sez-A-More-Expensive-500mi-EV-could-be-quite-soon-tp4670504.html EVLN: Tesla CEO Sez A More Expensive 500mi EV

Re: [EVDL] Tesla might Supercharge EVs to regain 400mi in 15min for 7 credits

2014-07-27 Thread Bill Woodcock via EV
On Jul 27, 2014, at 10:39 AM, Mark Abramowitz ma...@enviropolicy.com wrote: I've seen an animation of such a device for natural gas dispensing, and am told it could just as easily be done for hydrogen. How does that address what I said? I’ve seen animations of the Incredible Hulk, that

Re: [EVDL] Tesla might Supercharge EVs to regain 400mi in 15min for 7 credits

2014-07-27 Thread Dennis Miles via EV
Tube Video link: http://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss http://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss * On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Bill Woodcock via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On Jul 27, 2014, at 10:39 AM, Mark Abramowitz ma...@enviropolicy.com wrote: I've seen an animation of such a device for natural gas

Re: [EVDL] Tesla might Supercharge EVs to regain 400mi in 15min for 7 credits

2014-07-27 Thread Nathan Loofbourrow via EV
Why not step up the voltage to 300,000 volts? Then the wire can be minimal: http://youtu.be/DPH9FSNwMoU n -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140727/24f1362c/attachment.htm

[EVDL] acquiring commercial l BEVs in non-compliance states

2014-07-27 Thread harry henderson via EV
does any one have any insight or experience on acquiring commercial BEVs in non-compliance states. for example if i wanted the chevy spark in new mexico is my only option to buy one in CA and drive/transport it to NM? once in NM will the local dealerships provide support such as maintenance

Re: [EVDL] acquiring commercial l BEVs in non-compliance states

2014-07-27 Thread Ed Blackmond via EV
are a pair of tires two weeks ago, I went to a tire shop rather than a Nissan dealer. Ed On Jul 27, 2014, at 2:04 PM, harry henderson via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: does any one have any insight or experience on acquiring commercial BEVs in non-compliance states. for example if i wanted the chevy

Re: [EVDL] acquiring commercial l BEVs in non-compliance states

2014-07-27 Thread Dennis Miles via EV
://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss http://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss * On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Ed Blackmond via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I recommend a Nissan Leaf. It's not a compliance car and you should be able to get one where you are. As for maintenance and repairs, I don't think that is going

[EVDL] Prius as an emergency 1kW generator

2014-07-27 Thread robert winfield via EV
Prius UPS http://www.priups.com/others/ Another web page dedicated to using a Prius as an emergency 1kW generator On Sat, 7/26/14, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Subject: [EVDL] Designing in additional incentives to increase plugin

Re: [EVDL] acquiring commercial l BEVs in non-compliance states

2014-07-27 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Blackmond via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: 27-Jul-14 2:53:49 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] acquiring commercial l BEVs in non-compliance states I recommend a Nissan Leaf. It's not a compliance car and you should be able to get one where you

Re: [EVDL] acquiring commercial l BEVs in non-compliance states

2014-07-27 Thread Mike Nickerson via EV
Dennis, I can see that for working on the guts of the car, but for changing the tires? C'mon, I can't believe that even OSHA would be that much of a stickler. Mike On July 27, 2014 4:16:23 PM MDT, Dennis Miles via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: ED, did the Tire Shop have techs certified

Re: [EVDL] Prius as an emergency 1kW generator

2014-07-27 Thread Dennis Miles via EV
yourself, does not mean you were **stupid; it means, you are intelligent enough, **to know, that there is plenty left to learn!* * You Tube Video link: http://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss http://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss * On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 6:28 PM, robert winfield via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote

Re: [EVDL] Buying production EVs in non-compliance states

2014-07-27 Thread brucedp5 via EV
, harry henderson via EV wrote: does any one have any insight or experience on acquiring commercial BEVs in non-compliance states. for example if i wanted the chevy spark in new mexico is my only option to buy one in CA and drive/transport it to NM? once in NM will the local dealerships

Re: [EVDL] Tesla might Supercharge EVs to regain 400mi in 15min for 7 credits

2014-07-27 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
On Jul 27, 2014, at 12:49 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: % ? Setting the bar higher than what fcvs can do ? % [ref http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Tesla-CEO-Sez-A-More-Expensive-500mi-EV-could-be-quite-soon-tp4670504.html EVLN: Tesla CEO

Re: [EVDL] Tesla might Supercharge EVs to regain 400mi in 15min for 7 credits

2014-07-28 Thread Jukka Järvinen via EV
EV ev@lists.evdl.org: On Jul 27, 2014, at 12:49 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: % ? Setting the bar higher than what fcvs can do ? % [ref http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Tesla-CEO-Sez-A-More-Expensive-500mi-EV-could-be-quite-soon

[EVDL] EVLN: EV-West BMW M3 EV Conversions goes back to their car-guy roots

2014-07-28 Thread brucedp5 via EV
‘There is nothing else like a flat torque curve,’ http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/292936/car_modification_goes_electric.html Car modification goes electric By Antony Ingram 21st July 2014 [image http://photos.evo.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_1193/car_photo_596944_7.jpg

Re: [EVDL] acquiring commercial l BEVs in non-compliance states

2014-07-28 Thread Chris Tromley via EV
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 6:51 PM, Mike Nickerson via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Dennis, I can see that for working on the guts of the car, but for changing the tires? C'mon, I can't believe that even OSHA would be that much of a stickler. Regulations frequently have a period of awkward

[EVDL] Grid tied Islanding for EV's and homes and refrigerators

2014-07-28 Thread robert winfield via EV
Already being done by Solar City. You can Island your house when the grid is down http://www.solarcity.com/residential/energy-storage On Jul 26, 2014, at 4:13 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: But, what if that plugin (EV or plug-in-hybrid) came with a built-in level-1

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-07-28 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 24, 2014, at 8:31 PM, Ben Apollonio e...@bapollo.com wrote: For your hybrid application, I'd go with the AC. One word: regen -- without it to recharge the battery, hybrid mode is of little benefit; better to just disengage the motor altogether. I've been leaning towards AC since

Re: [EVDL] acquiring commercial l BEVs in non-compliance states

2014-07-28 Thread Dennis Miles via EV
are intelligent enough, **to know, that there is plenty left to learn!* * You Tube Video link: http://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss http://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss * On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 6:51 AM, Chris Tromley via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 6:51 PM, Mike Nickerson via EV

Re: [EVDL] acquiring commercial l BEVs in non-compliance states

2014-07-28 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
rental, ...) rules are. I'm not an attorney - anyone else know for certain? Peri -- Original Message -- From: Dennis Miles via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Chris Tromley ctrom...@gmail.com; Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: 28-Jul-14 9:47:38 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-07-28 Thread Dennis Miles via EV
://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss * On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On Jul 24, 2014, at 8:31 PM, Ben Apollonio e...@bapollo.com wrote: For your hybrid application, I'd go with the AC. One word: regen -- without it to recharge the battery, hybrid mode is of little

[EVDL] ECN: Stanford team achieves 'holy grail' of battery design: A stable lithium anode

2014-07-28 Thread Len Moskowitz via EV
www.ecnmag.com/news/2014/07/stanford-team-achieves-holy-grail-battery-design-stable-lithium-anode ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA

[EVDL] Why EVs are awesome

2014-07-28 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
I just looked at the total maintenance costs for my ICE vehicle (Honda Odyssey 2000) and it is just under $20,000. Grant it, I take it on long trips which I can't do with the Leaf but from a cost perspective, even if I need to replace the battery every 6-7 years in my Leaf (and it will likely

Re: [EVDL] Why EVs are awesome

2014-07-28 Thread Michael Ross via EV
. On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I just looked at the total maintenance costs for my ICE vehicle (Honda Odyssey 2000) and it is just under $20,000. Grant it, I take it on long trips which I can't do with the Leaf but from a cost perspective, even if I

Re: [EVDL] acquiring commercial l BEVs in non-compliance states

2014-07-28 Thread Chris Tromley via EV
I have no trouble believing such an onerous regulation exists. One has to wonder however, what astoundingly difficult certification is required to work on cars that carry enough explosive liquid fuel to destroy an entire building and everyone in it. You must have to study and train for years to

Re: [EVDL] acquiring commercial l BEVs in non-compliance states

2014-07-28 Thread Dennis Miles via EV
**stupid; it means, you are intelligent enough, **to know, that there is plenty left to learn!* * You Tube Video link: http://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss http://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss * On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 8:49 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: You really think that tire

Re: [EVDL] Why EVs are awesome

2014-07-28 Thread Roland via EV
200K+ miles. If I paid show room prices for an xB the Leaf then looks nice. But, I would be more likely to get an used xB for maybe $8K. On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.orgmailto:ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I just looked at the total maintenance costs

Re: [EVDL] Tesla might Supercharge EVs to regain 400mi in 15min for7 credits

2014-07-28 Thread Michael Ross via EV
:33 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: All data I have seen till now shows that emissions go up with the indroduction of H2, due to the low efficiency well-to-wheels of creating H2. So, it is considered not just a very difficult energy carrier, but also inefficient, besides

Re: [EVDL] acquiring commercial l BEVs in non-compliance states

2014-07-28 Thread Dennis Miles via EV
are intelligent enough, **to know, that there is plenty left to learn!* * You Tube Video link: http://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss http://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss * On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 9:05 PM, Chris Tromley via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I have no trouble believing such an onerous regulation

Re: [EVDL] Why EVs are awesome

2014-07-28 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Roland via EV wrote: One day I was in the checkout lane at Wal Mart and had the whole shopping cart fill with 1 gallon jugs of distill water that was on sale. A guy said, what do you use all that water for? I said, I run my car on this water. Add it to a secret solution of H2S04 and Ionize

Re: [EVDL] acquiring commercial l BEVs in non-compliance states

2014-07-28 Thread Dennis Miles via EV
: http://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss http://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss * On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 9:05 PM, Chris Tromley via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I have no trouble believing such an onerous regulation exists. One has to wonder however, what astoundingly difficult certification is required

Re: [EVDL] Lawn tractor conversion: lessons learned

2014-07-28 Thread Dennis Miles via EV
Tube Video link: http://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss http://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss * On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Michael K Johnson via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I got lots of useful help here on my lawn tractor conversion project — http://www.evalbum.com/4841 — so I thought I'd post some lessons

Re: [EVDL] Why EVs are awesome

2014-07-28 Thread Roland via EV
Hartmailto:leeah...@earthlink.net To: Rolandmailto:e...@msn.com ; Electric Vehicle Discussion Listmailto:ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Why EVs are awesome Roland via EV wrote: One day I was in the checkout lane at Wal Mart and had the whole shopping

Re: [EVDL] Tesla might Supercharge EVs to regain 400mi in 15min for7 credits

2014-07-28 Thread Mike Nickerson via EV
. I believe the defaults are national averages. Mike On July 28, 2014 7:33:57 PM MDT, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: All data I have seen till now shows that emissions go up with the indroduction of H2, due to the low efficiency well-to-wheels of creating H2. So

Re: [EVDL] Tesla might Supercharge EVs to regain 400mi in 15min for7 credits

2014-07-28 Thread Marion Hakanson via EV
a methane station). If most H2 comes from methane (natural gas), why not just burn the methane directly, instead of converting it multiple times (and losing something at every step), so you can feed it to a fuel cell? Regards, Marion On 07/28/14 10:30 PM, Mike Nickerson via EV wrote: https

Re: [EVDL] Tesla might Supercharge EVs to regain 400mi in 15min for7 credits

2014-07-29 Thread Dennis Miles via EV
link: http://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss http://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss * On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 1:52 AM, Marion Hakanson via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I have a cousin who lives in Italy. They own a small Fiat van which runs on both methane (compressed) and regular gasoline; Apparently it costs

[EVDL] EVLN: Brouhaha Bike e-Trailers many uses for strain-free haulage

2014-07-29 Thread brucedp5 via EV
'Ditch the car even when you have heavy gear to haul' http://www.gizmag.com/brouhaha-modular-electric-bike-trailer/33052/ Modular, electric bike trailer provides strain-free haulage By C.C. Weiss July 22, 2014 [images

[EVDL] EVLN: 2015 VW e-Golf EV vs Golf TDI ice, Back-To-Back Test Drive

2014-07-29 Thread brucedp5 via EV
% Writer woding is ice-slanted: 'right pick for everyone' % http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1093432_2015-volkswagen-e-golf-vs-golf-tdi-back-to-back-test-drive 2015 Volkswagen e-Golf Vs. Golf TDI: Back-To-Back Test Drive By Bengt Halvorson Jul 22, 2014 [images

Re: [EVDL] Tesla might Supercharge EVs to regain 400mi in 15min for7 credits

2014-07-29 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Dennis Miles via EV wrote: Because, Marion, the fool cell gives the least pollution at the vehicle. (And the manufacturers want the carbon credits, and Is, I have been told, the refining or conversion, of methane to hydrogen, is done in an unregulated location, not in the motor vehicle

Re: [EVDL] Tesla might Supercharge EVs to regain 400mi in 15min for 7 credits

2014-07-29 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
need to comment, do I? MW On 27 Jul 2014, at 13:44, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: On Jul 27, 2014, at 12:49 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: % ? Setting the bar higher than what fcvs can do ? % [ref http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN

[EVDL] BMW 24kw DC fast charger

2014-07-29 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
At 6500 dollars cheap?  I don't know.  It weighs 100 pounds and doesn't seem to be transportable.  A PFC 75 is less money but might only eek out 12 to 15 or so KW but only weighs 33 pounds.  Much more transportable and works with a J1772 plug.  However the BMW is CCS.  More confusion.  If

Re: [EVDL] Why EVs are awesome

2014-07-29 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
:21 PM, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Surely you don't mean only maintenance. Isn't there even a little fuel in that? My Scion xB has used up about $18000 in gasoline if I call it an average of $3 / gallon times 6000 gallons. The only repair that is ICE related is $250. I

Re: [EVDL] Why EVs are awesome

2014-07-29 Thread Michael Ross via EV
of the clean, renewable energy future just as easily? Bob On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 8:21 PM, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Surely you don't mean only maintenance. Isn't there even a little fuel in that? My Scion xB has used up about $18000 in gasoline if I call it an average

[EVDL] Middle Leaf Battery Terminal

2014-07-29 Thread Bill Dennis via EV
Does anyone know what amperage the middle terminal of a Leaf battery can handle for balancing? Thanks, Bill ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please

Re: [EVDL] Why EVs are awesome

2014-07-29 Thread Willie2 via EV
On 07/29/2014 09:29 AM, Michael Ross via EV wrote: It is just now, and with the availability of the Leaf at dealer cost, that there any reason at all for me to consider it. The Leaf doesn't serve my need for what is essentially a small truck, the early model xB; which with roof racks allows me

Re: [EVDL] BMW 24kw DC fast charger

2014-07-29 Thread Peter Gabrielsson via EV
that usually pop up somewhere around there. They may also be targeting home and small business customers who don't have 50kW to spare. It's definitely an unfilled niche. On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 5:31 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: At 6500 dollars cheap? I don't know. It weighs 100

Re: [EVDL] Fwd: Leaf Blower

2014-07-29 Thread Doc Kennedy via EV
on the EVDL. Good Luck, Doc Kennedy E-Machines dockenn...@gmail.com 1 540 230 8881. On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Steve Clunn via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I have the Ryobi Electric Leaf Blower and bought it along with a weed wacker, hedge trimmer and chainsaw that all use the same battery

[EVDL] EVDL biz: H2 and FCEV discussion

2014-07-29 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
The original EVDL charter, written by our founder Clyde Visser back in the internet's dim past (1991) says, the energy storage device [for an EV] ... can [be a] ... fuel cell ... But not too far into this long history of the EVDL - I think about 1995 or so - we had a pretty detailed discussion

Re: [EVDL] Lawn tractor conversion: lessons learned

2014-07-29 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Michael K Johnson via EV wrote: I got lots of useful help here on my lawn tractor conversion project — Glad we could be of help. Congratulations on getting the EV grin while mowing the lawn! :-) silly idea that I could fit everything under the existing hood and it would look the same, just

Re: [EVDL] EVDL biz: H2 and FCEV discussion

2014-07-29 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
of EV racing discussions - banned. Peri -- Original Message -- From: EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: 29-Jul-14 10:30:22 AM Subject: [EVDL] EVDL biz: H2 and FCEV discussion The original EVDL charter, written by our founder Clyde Visser back

Re: [EVDL] EVDL biz: H2 and FCEV discussion

2014-07-29 Thread Michael Ross via EV
should be wary about. On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 1:30 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: The original EVDL charter, written by our founder Clyde Visser back in the internet's dim past (1991) says, the energy storage device [for an EV] ... can [be a] ... fuel cell

Re: [EVDL] Lawn tractor conversion: lessons learned

2014-07-29 Thread David Wilker via EV
them. David C. Wilker Jr. USAF (RET) On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 7:59 PM, Michael K Johnson via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I got lots of useful help here on my lawn tractor conversion project — http://www.evalbum.com/4841 — so I thought I'd post some lessons learned, both positive and negative

Re: [EVDL] EVDL biz: H2 and FCEV discussion

2014-07-29 Thread brucedp5 via EV
As an evdl member, my vote is continue with the existing limitation on OT items specified in the evdl charter, so that they do not dominate the focus of the evdl, ... EVs. IMO: fcvs are not Electric Vehicles (EVs) that can plug into the stable electrical grid or an outlet the homeowner has

Re: [EVDL] Lithium battery setpoints...

2014-07-29 Thread Denis Boutet via EV
is not relevant. As long as all cells stay above your set point, be it 2,9 or ??? it is fine, In my opinion Denis Le 2014-07-29 à 19:43, Zeke Yewdall via EV ev@lists.evdl.org a écrit : I am programming the BMS, and am wondering what opinions people have on the sepoints for the BMS

[EVDL] article: The rise of electric cars in the US, in 6 charts

2014-07-29 Thread Paul Wujek via EV
http://www.vox.com/2014/7/28/5944065/electric-cars-plug-in-vehicles-rising-sales-US -- *Paul Wujek* http://goo.gl/3jnMdX ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing

Re: [EVDL] Lawn tractor conversion: lessons learned

2014-07-29 Thread Al via EV
Thanks Michael for the very useful and thorough discussion. I hope to do an EV mower soon. Al - Original Message - From: Michael K Johnson via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 10:59 PM Subject: [EVDL] Lawn tractor

Re: [EVDL] Lithium battery setpoints...

2014-07-29 Thread Bill Dube via EV
to leave it. These are Chinese cells, after all. The Chinese make pretty good stuff very very cheaply, but often the quality control is not tip top. I typically recommend purchasing a couple of spare cells. Bill D. On 7/29/2014 5:43 PM, Zeke Yewdall via EV wrote: I am programming the BMS, and am

Re: [EVDL] Lithium battery setpoints...

2014-07-29 Thread Bill Dube via EV
Almost forgot. If you didn't lightly sand the cell terminals and coat with thin film of NoAlOx, then you need to do that now. Yes, doing this is a pain in the butt, especally after it is all put together, but it must be done to get good, low-resistance, reliable, connections on the cell

Re: [EVDL] Tesla might Supercharge EVs to regain 400mi in 15min for7 credits

2014-07-30 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Worth repeating. Also, I believe NREL has released charts with the various assumptions, and results. You'll find national power mix, CA power mix, H2 from SMR, H2 from renewables, etc.. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2014, at 10:30 PM, Mike Nickerson via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: https

[EVDL] EVLN: $23k Azzoli's Electric car conversion tools-around Land O’ Lakes

2014-07-30 Thread brucedp5 via EV
'More than $aving money on fuel he’s $pending less on maintenance' http://lakerlutznews.com/lln/?p=20283 Interest sparks in electric car conversions July 24, 2014 By B.C. Manion [image / B.C. Manion http://lakerlutznews.com/lln/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/ElectricCars-Steve-Azzoli2.jpg Steve

[EVDL] EVLN: $30k Opel CEO sez GM's 200mi EV is upcoming, Sonic EV in 2016?

2014-07-30 Thread brucedp5 via EV
% Ampera pih replacement could be based on GM's 200 mile EV ?One model offered as either an EV or pih similar to the BMW i3? % Chevrolet To Build Pure Electric Sonic? http://www.worldcarfans.com/114072378653/opel-ceo-confirms-a-new-electric-vehicle-following-ampera Opel CEO confirms a new

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