Re[2]: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-07 Thread Colin Jenkins
Hello James, Saturday, September 07, 2002, 3:53:04 PM, you wrote: JS probably spent more time programing than studying Now I did notice JS one thing missing from the trivia list though Does anybody else here JS know how to use a sliderule? (or maybe I shoud say did.. been so long JS

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-07 Thread dfox
I think dfox was having more fun with the humor of the idea than the reality.. Well, somewhat. I haven't tried that in quite a while, but I did run a couple of experiments pitting stuff like chess master vs an atari 2600 chess cartridge and a Radio shack dedicated pocket type chess computer.

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-07 Thread Alastair Scott
On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 22:45, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 13:40 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: Bummmer, Guess this means I don't spend the $10 US on a new copy...Unless I can find DOS 6 somewhere. I guess I need to start looking... Hmm, is it against the laws if I

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-07 Thread Olaf Marzocchi
At 21.02 06/09/2002, you wrote: I found it (my copy) on a 1.2 disk. I even installed a small DOS partition with my old DOS 6 and even connected an old 1.2 drive just to install Battle Chess. Now I'm playing it once in a while and ruin my Linux uptime! 1.2 disk??? did you use them? I always

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-07 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
On Sat, Sep 07, 2002 at 01:40 -0400, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 22:13, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 19:09 -0700, dfox wrote: Hey, for extra fun, run battle chess inside a dosemu session (assuming that it will do so) and then haev gnuchessx running -

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-07 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 22:46 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: Wobo, Have to ask did that high pitched sound sound anything like O no Linnnuxx *grin* No. It was a shrieking sound of alarm. But as you mention it, I think underneath I heard a husky voice with a sigh: O,

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-07 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
On Sat, Sep 07, 2002 at 09:37 +0100, Alastair Scott wrote: On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 22:45, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 13:40 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: Bummmer, Guess this means I don't spend the $10 US on a new copy...Unless I can find DOS 6 somewhere. I guess I

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-07 Thread HoytDuff
On Saturday 07 September 2002 01:53 am, James Sparenberg scribbled in crayon on a yellow legal pad: Does anybody else here know how to use a sliderule? (or maybe I shoud say did.. been so long I've probably forgotten.) sliderule joke Yes, and I can even subtract on a sliderule. /sliderule

Re: Re[2]: [expert] a stooooooooopid question -(getting offtopic)

2002-09-07 Thread HoytDuff
On Saturday 07 September 2002 02:18 am, Colin Jenkins scribbled in crayon on a yellow legal pad: Hello Alastair, Saturday, September 07, 2002, 6:42:50 AM, you wrote: AS Considering DOS, I began with 5.25 floppy disks on IBM ATs, which were AS built like tanks - green screens, enormously

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-07 Thread Pierre Fortin
On Sat, 07 Sep 2002 12:22:05 +0200 Olaf Marzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always bought 360k disks and formatted as 720kb! It was useful because you can copy 3.5 720kb disks into those old pizzas... (5.25). Due to remote access problems and Earthlink/Mindspring blocking SMTP port, I was

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question -(getting offtopic)

2002-09-07 Thread James Sparenberg
On Sat, 2002-09-07 at 13:24, Randy Kramer wrote: On Saturday 07 September 2002 03:27 pm, Vincent Danen wrote: Likewise, except I was a sysop for many years. I'm trying to remember that multi-tasking software for DOS, but the name escapes me... You need QEMM (IIRC) in order for it to run

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-06 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 00:43 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: yes I remember running a cobol program that proved taht 2+2=4 and listening to some guy begging people for 30 seconds of computer time so he could finish his current class project (seems his last one had an endless loop and he

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-06 Thread James Sparenberg
yes I remember running a cobol program that proved taht 2+2=4 and listening to some guy begging people for 30 seconds of computer time so he could finish his current class project (seems his last one had an endless loop and he ate up 2 minutes of time before someone caught it..) The large (I

RE: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-06 Thread Mike Settle
List Subject: Re: [expert] a stopid question On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 15:12 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: Wobo, A Univac computer for me.. and yes pitty the poor individual who didn't get the cover seated correctly on the card reader. Cards flying everywhere. (Pity them

RE: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-06 Thread kwan
On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Mike Settle wrote: Oh, for sure - Computers were just plain *FUN* back then !!! Now, they're just a *^%in' job. We had two different ways of generating computer 'music' back then - One, was to turn to a really low band on one of those new-fangled Japanese transistor

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-06 Thread HoytDuff
On Friday 06 September 2002 11:05 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled in crayon on a yellow legal pad: ASR teletype These were very nice; wished I had one at the time to relace my Model 19. paper tape Chadless paper was a major improvement. -- Hoyt http://www.maximumhoyt.com Fix it until it

RE: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-06 Thread Mike Settle
, September 06, 2002 6:00 AM To: Expert List Subject: Re: [expert] a stopid question On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 00:43 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: yes I remember running a cobol program that proved taht 2+2=4 and listening to some guy begging people for 30 seconds of computer time

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-06 Thread Pierre Fortin
On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:42:10 -0400 HoytDuff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 06 September 2002 11:05 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled in crayon on a yellow legal pad: ASR teletype These were very nice; wished I had one at the time to relace my Model 19. What? No 14...? : paper tape

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question -(getting offtopic)

2002-09-06 Thread Ken Hawkins
It sure is interesting to read some of these old war (or is that whore) stories. I didn't get into computers until about '91. the best i can claim is writing DOS batch files to give a color menu display (rather than just c:), and automating common tasks. I DO remember back to the mid-70's when

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-06 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 16:13, James Sparenberg wrote: Note to that the early flight simulators (and in fact many still running) use to train professional pilots as well as battle field simulation software. All ran on Amiga 2000s. Does anyone remember Battle Chess? Full 3d animation on a

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-06 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 14:50 -0400, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 16:13, James Sparenberg wrote: Note to that the early flight simulators (and in fact many still running) use to train professional pilots as well as battle field simulation software. All ran on Amiga 2000s.

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-06 Thread James Sparenberg
On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 12:02, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 14:50 -0400, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 16:13, James Sparenberg wrote: Note to that the early flight simulators (and in fact many still running) use to train professional pilots as well as

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question -(getting offtopic)

2002-09-06 Thread James Sparenberg
On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 08:34, Ken Hawkins wrote: It sure is interesting to read some of these old war (or is that whore) stories. I didn't get into computers until about '91. the best i can claim is writing DOS batch files to give a color menu display (rather than just c:), and automating

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question -(getting offtopic)

2002-09-06 Thread HoytDuff
On Friday 06 September 2002 03:47 pm, James Sparenberg scribbled in crayon on a yellow legal pad: Used to play a game called star-trek; with an E for the Enterprise, a K for the Klingons, an * for photon torpedoes, etc etc. Ken Ken, I know the guy who wrote that one... it was

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question -(getting offtopic)

2002-09-06 Thread Charles A Edwards
On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:07:47 -0400 HoytDuff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First computer game I ever played. Pong was my first console game. White on black and moved at the speed of a snail. Charles -- Woodward's Law: A theory is better than its explanation.

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-06 Thread Alastair Scott
On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 18:29, Mark Weaver wrote: Thats it! I'm going to have to grab one of these things. I haven't been this jazzed about a machine for a long time. Well, I put my money where my mouth is and will soon be the owner of an Amiga 1200 with 16MB RAM, 340MB hard drive, CD-ROM and

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question -(getting offtopic) [nowback on]

2002-09-06 Thread Ken Hawkins
After having been whupped by that game numerous times, and never having met anyone who played and won, I have 2 questions for your friend: 1) Did anyone ever actually WIN that game? 2) Does he program for Microsoft now? sorry, low blow, but I am STILL pissed at that game. Ken PS Amiga RULZ!

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-06 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 12:45 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 12:02, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 14:50 -0400, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: I remember Battle Chess very well. We were running it on 386's, and connecting by modem, if memory serves. Very

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-06 Thread James Sparenberg
Bummmer, Guess this means I don't spend the $10 US on a new copy...Unless I can find DOS 6 somewhere. I guess I need to start looking... James On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 13:30, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 12:45 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 12:02,

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question -(getting offtopic)

2002-09-06 Thread Alastair Scott
On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 16:34, Ken Hawkins wrote: It sure is interesting to read some of these old war (or is that whore) stories. I didn't get into computers until about '91. the best i can claim is writing DOS batch files to give a color menu display (rather than just c:), and automating

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-06 Thread James Sparenberg
On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 08:42, HoytDuff wrote: On Friday 06 September 2002 11:05 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled in crayon on a yellow legal pad: ASR teletype These were very nice; wished I had one at the time to relace my Model 19. paper tape Chadless paper was a major improvement.

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question -(getting offtopic) [nowback on]

2002-09-06 Thread Dave Sherman
On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 12:20, Ken Hawkins wrote: PPS Mandatory ON TOPIC: I bunged my main home computer (MDK8.2) when I tried to install w2k [DONT GO THERE!]. Since I managed to make it even worse, I am now going to a clean-sheet install. I will be doing MDK 8.2, Win98, and W2K. I have 3

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-06 Thread HoytDuff
On Friday 06 September 2002 04:40 pm, James Sparenberg scribbled in crayon on a yellow legal pad: Bummmer, Guess this means I don't spend the $10 US on a new copy...Unless I can find DOS 6 somewhere. I guess I need to start looking... http://www.paragon-gmbh.com/f_dos.htm US$14.95 --

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-06 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 13:40 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: Bummmer, Guess this means I don't spend the $10 US on a new copy...Unless I can find DOS 6 somewhere. I guess I need to start looking... Hmm, is it against the laws if I send you an dd-outfile of my single-floppy-DOS? It's just

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-06 Thread James Sparenberg
Wife is going to kill me *grin* James On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 14:30, HoytDuff wrote: On Friday 06 September 2002 04:40 pm, James Sparenberg scribbled in crayon on a yellow legal pad: Bummmer, Guess this means I don't spend the $10 US on a new copy...Unless I can find DOS 6 somewhere. I

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question -(getting offtopic) [nowback on]

2002-09-06 Thread James Sparenberg
On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 10:20, Ken Hawkins wrote: After having been whupped by that game numerous times, and never having met anyone who played and won, I have 2 questions for your friend: 1) Did anyone ever actually WIN that game? His version yes.. it says You won ... wanna play again. 2)

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-06 Thread dfox
Hmm, is it against the laws if I send you an dd-outfile of my single-floppy-DOS? It's just 1.44M which you could dd on a 1.44 floppy. Technically yes. Will anyone care is another matter. :) does it have to be DOS 6? What about an open dos image? Isn't DR DOS now GPL or a reasonable

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-06 Thread dfox
I found it (my copy) on a 1.2 disk. I even installed a small DOS partition with my old DOS 6 and even connected an old 1.2 drive just to Hey, for extra fun, run battle chess inside a dosemu session (assuming that it will do so) and then haev gnuchessx running - pit gnuchessx against battle

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-06 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 19:09 -0700, dfox wrote: I found it (my copy) on a 1.2 disk. I even installed a small DOS partition with my old DOS 6 and even connected an old 1.2 drive just to Hey, for extra fun, run battle chess inside a dosemu session (assuming that it will do so) and then

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-06 Thread dfox
Not only was there discrepancies with the 'signed' zero, but IBM used to do a core dump and bring production to a screeching halt because of a 'divide by zero' error. At least we didn't get the whole core dumped (on paper) -- worst case scenario for us students was that we'd get

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-06 Thread dfox
Don't forget the TI and the one I wrote my first piece of code on ... the HP-45 RPM programmable Calculator. (more fun than the mainframe... memories :) My first programming was done on a TI 59 calculator. It's actually a good approach, particularly when later on learning assembler level

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-06 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Friday 06 September 2002 11:05 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Mike Settle wrote: Oh, for sure - Computers were just plain *FUN* back then !!! Now, they're just a *^%in' job. We had two different ways of generating computer 'music' back then - One, was to turn to

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-06 Thread Damian G
..just wanted to butt in to say i'm sad i can't post any good ole times memories.. i'm really enjoying this thread.. reminds me of my first atari games when i was about 5 years old.. (and it's not stopid at all... but it did get looong :o)) Damian -- boot into windows? what has

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-06 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 01:39, James Sparenberg wrote: On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 22:12, Ricardo Castanho de O. Freitas wrote: On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Mark Weaver wrote: Then how about Commodore, Sinclair (was that the spelling?) and others? Don't forget the TI and the one I wrote my first

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-06 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 22:13, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 19:09 -0700, dfox wrote: I found it (my copy) on a 1.2 disk. I even installed a small DOS partition with my old DOS 6 and even connected an old 1.2 drive just to Hey, for extra fun, run battle chess inside a

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-06 Thread James Sparenberg
On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 19:13, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 19:09 -0700, dfox wrote: I found it (my copy) on a 1.2 disk. I even installed a small DOS partition with my old DOS 6 and even connected an old 1.2 drive just to Hey, for extra fun, run battle chess inside a

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-06 Thread James Sparenberg
On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 21:18, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 01:39, James Sparenberg wrote: On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 22:12, Ricardo Castanho de O. Freitas wrote: On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Mark Weaver wrote: Then how about Commodore, Sinclair (was that the spelling?) and

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-06 Thread dfox
Good grief! how in the world did one get any work done seeing as it took all night just to compile one program? Not easily, to be sure. When I was just starting computer classes, turn- around time for some cobol jobs could be as long as six hours. You'd go into the lab early in the morning,

Re[2]: [expert] a stooooooooopid question -(getting offtopic)

2002-09-06 Thread Colin Jenkins
Hello Alastair, Saturday, September 07, 2002, 6:42:50 AM, you wrote: AS Considering DOS, I began with 5.25 floppy disks on IBM ATs, which were AS built like tanks - green screens, enormously thick case metal and the my first was a kit (microbee z80 processor, 16k ram) upgraded to 64k to run

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-05 Thread Darren King
12 years of unix here... Darren On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 12:30, Benjamin Pflugmann wrote: Hi. Well, only about 8 years of UNIX, not 10. And 18(?) years with computers. Don't know if I would call me a hard-core UNIX head (I don't like vi, you see? ;-). On Wed 2002-09-04 at 12:32:52 -0700,

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-05 Thread Mark Weaver
James Sparenberg wrote: Over 10 years on computers not always nix (I miss my Amiga *grin*) James I've been hearing a lot about Amigas and invariably the people always say they miss them. What was so special about them that they're so sorely missed? I wouldn't know an Amiga computer if

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-05 Thread Alastair Scott
Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (09/05/2002 11:55) James Sparenberg wrote: Over 10 years on computers not always nix (I miss my Amiga *grin*) James I've been hearing a lot about Amigas and invariably the people always say they miss them. What was so special about them that they're

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-05 Thread Mark Weaver
Benjamin Pflugmann wrote: Hi. Well, only about 8 years of UNIX, not 10. And 18(?) years with computers. Don't know if I would call me a hard-core UNIX head (I don't like vi, you see? ;-). On Wed 2002-09-04 at 12:32:52 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: Over 10 years on computers not

Re[2]: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-05 Thread Colin Jenkins
Hello Alastair, Thursday, September 05, 2002, 9:16:15 PM, you wrote: g speed from a 'feeble' 68000 both because of an optimal ahh memories... this weekend i'm getting out my Amiga 2000 (bet it fires up without any problems) -- Best regards, Colinmailto:[EMAIL

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-05 Thread dh
On Thursday 05 September 2002 04:16 am, Alastair Scott wrote: Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (09/05/2002 11:55) James Sparenberg wrote: Over 10 years on computers not always nix (I miss my Amiga *grin*) James I've been hearing a lot about Amigas and invariably the people

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-05 Thread Alastair Scott
Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (09/05/2002 15:24) My GOD! where do I find one of these marvelous machines? I WANT ONE!! they sound perfectly awesome. I can't help but wonder why in the world they're not still produced. What caused their downfall? I'm pretty sure there'll be a fair

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-05 Thread Mark Weaver
Alastair Scott wrote: Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (09/05/2002 11:55) James Sparenberg wrote: Over 10 years on computers not always nix (I miss my Amiga *grin*) James I've been hearing a lot about Amigas and invariably the people always say they miss them. What was so

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-05 Thread Thierry TERRIER
Hi dh, I think that you're computer is the most powerful of the world. You're already on 06 oct !!! ;-) dh wrote: On Thursday 05 September 2002 04:16 am, Alastair Scott wrote: Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (09/05/2002 11:55) James Sparenberg wrote: Over 10 years on computers not

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question -(getting offtopic)

2002-09-05 Thread dh
On Thursday 05 September 2002 07:24 am, Mark Weaver wrote: Alastair My GOD! where do I find one of these marvelous machines? I WANT ONE!! they sound perfectly awesome. I can't help but wonder why in the world they're not still produced. What caused their downfall? See my other post as well

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-05 Thread kwan
On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Mark Weaver wrote: James Sparenberg wrote: Over 10 years on computers not always nix (I miss my Amiga *grin*) James I've been hearing a lot about Amigas and invariably the people always say they miss them. What was so special about them that they're so

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-05 Thread Alastair Scott
dh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (09/06/2002 15:29) Excellent description, you neglected to mention that except for the very (very!) earliest of versions it was/is also a fully pre-emptive, multitasking OS. The first computer I owned that could draw me away from it as far as usability was a

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-05 Thread Benjamin Pflugmann
Hi. On Thu 2002-09-05 at 12:16:15 +0100, Alastair Scott wrote: Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (09/05/2002 11:55) James Sparenberg wrote: Over 10 years on computers not always nix (I miss my Amiga *grin*) James I've been hearing a lot about Amigas and invariably the

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-05 Thread James Sparenberg
On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 03:59, Mark Weaver wrote: Benjamin Pflugmann wrote: Hi. Well, only about 8 years of UNIX, not 10. And 18(?) years with computers. Don't know if I would call me a hard-core UNIX head (I don't like vi, you see? ;-). On Wed 2002-09-04 at 12:32:52 -0700, James

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-05 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Thursday 05 September 2002 03:24 pm, you wrote: Now, If I just knew what an Amiga was... The Amiga was the first true multimedia computer. ;-) -- /\

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-05 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 13:16 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: They still re-make and sell them in Europe. amiga.com .org and .net exist and can start you on your journey. What caused the downfall. They got bought by Commodore. The management of Commedore was the role model for Enron.

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-05 Thread James Sparenberg
On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 14:22, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 13:16 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: They still re-make and sell them in Europe. amiga.com .org and .net exist and can start you on your journey. What caused the downfall. They got bought by Commodore. The

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-05 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 15:12 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: Wobo, A Univac computer for me.. and yes pitty the poor individual who didn't get the cover seated correctly on the card reader. Cards flying everywhere. (Pity them even more if thier cards weren't numbered!!) The real

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-05 Thread James Sparenberg
On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 07:29, dh wrote: On Thursday 05 September 2002 04:16 am, Alastair Scott wrote: Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (09/05/2002 11:55) James Sparenberg wrote: Over 10 years on computers not always nix (I miss my Amiga *grin*) James I've been

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-05 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Thursday 05 September 2002 04:13 pm, you wrote: Note to that the early flight simulators (and in fact many still running) use to train professional pilots as well as battle field simulation software. All ran on Amiga 2000s. Does anyone remember Battle Chess? Full 3d animation on a

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-05 Thread Darren King
Man this email made me feel old. I can't believe there are computer users who don't remember the Amiga! Darren On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 20:59, Mark Weaver wrote: Benjamin Pflugmann wrote: Hi. Well, only about 8 years of UNIX, not 10. And 18(?) years with computers. Don't know if I

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-05 Thread Darren King
Don't forget the Amiga did multitasking years before any other home computer did...remember PC people saying why would you need to do more than one thing at a time on a computer Darren On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 00:52, Alastair Scott wrote: Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (09/05/2002

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-05 Thread Teemu Torma
On Friday 06 September 2002 01:38, Darren King wrote: Man this email made me feel old. I can't believe there are computer users who don't remember the Amiga! Me too. Even though I started with Apple IIe, and the manual included schema of the motherboard. I liked the open architecture

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-05 Thread James Sparenberg
On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 16:40, Darren King wrote: Don't forget the Amiga did multitasking years before any other home computer did...remember PC people saying why would you need to do more than one thing at a time on a computer My answer was always... For those of us who can walk and chew

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-05 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Thursday 05 September 2002 09:55 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 16:40, Darren King wrote: Don't forget the Amiga did multitasking years before any other home computer did...remember PC people saying why would you need to do more than one thing at a time on a

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-05 Thread Mark Weaver
Teemu Torma wrote: On Friday 06 September 2002 01:38, Darren King wrote: Man this email made me feel old. I can't believe there are computer users who don't remember the Amiga! Me too. Even though I started with Apple IIe, and the manual included schema of the motherboard. I

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-05 Thread Mark Weaver
Darren King wrote: Man this email made me feel old. I can't believe there are computer users who don't remember the Amiga! Darren ah...don't sweat it. I didn't get started till '96. I'm still kind of a baby. Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-05 Thread Ricardo Castanho de O. Freitas
On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Mark Weaver wrote: Then how about Commodore, Sinclair (was that the spelling?) and others? The good old past had interesting things on computing! I've started out with an Sinclair (?) based computer, then MSX, then mainframes (IBM and Fujitsu), then PC until now!! So I

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-05 Thread James Sparenberg
On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 19:27, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Thursday 05 September 2002 09:55 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 16:40, Darren King wrote: Don't forget the Amiga did multitasking years before any other home computer did...remember PC people saying why would you

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-05 Thread James Sparenberg
On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 22:12, Ricardo Castanho de O. Freitas wrote: On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Mark Weaver wrote: Then how about Commodore, Sinclair (was that the spelling?) and others? Don't forget the TI and the one I wrote my first piece of code on ... the HP-45 RPM programmable Calculator.

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-05 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 22:36 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 19:27, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Thursday 05 September 2002 09:55 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 16:40, Darren King wrote: Don't forget the Amiga did multitasking years before any other

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-05 Thread Mark Weaver
Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 13:16 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: They still re-make and sell them in Europe. amiga.com .org and .net exist and can start you on your journey. What caused the downfall. They got bought by Commodore. The management of Commedore was the role

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-05 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 22:39 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: Don't forget the TI and the one I wrote my first piece of code on ... the HP-45 RPM programmable Calculator. (more fun than the mainframe... it took forever to write, debug and view output from a program it was boring the 45

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-05 Thread Mark Weaver
Wobo, A Univac computer for me.. and yes pitty the poor individual who didn't get the cover seated correctly on the card reader. Cards flying everywhere. (Pity them even more if thier cards weren't numbered!!) The real treat was paper tape readers Do remember watching someone

[expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-04 Thread Mark Weaver
Hi list, Ok...I've been a wrackin my poor brain for the last few hours and burnin up the Google search engine trying to find the answer to this question, but I just can't find the answer and I can't remember the correct command line syntax to save my forgetful life this morning. I'm trying

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-04 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
On Sat, Aug 31, 2002 at 12:31 -0400, Mark Weaver wrote: Hi list, Ok...I've been a wrackin my poor brain for the last few hours and burnin up the Google search engine trying to find the answer to this question, but I just can't find the answer and I can't remember the correct command

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-04 Thread Woody Green
Also: cp black\ out.txt chancellor\ kohl.txt Woody On Wed, 2002-09-04 at 04:59, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Sat, Aug 31, 2002 at 12:31 -0400, Mark Weaver wrote: Hi list, Ok...I've been a wrackin my poor brain for the last few hours and burnin up the Google search engine trying

RE: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-04 Thread Adriaan . Putter
-Original Message- From: Wolfgang Bornath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 1:00 PM To: expert list Subject: Re: [expert] a stopid question On Sat, Aug 31, 2002 at 12:31 -0400, Mark Weaver wrote: Hi list, Ok...I've been a wrackin my

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-04 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 13:19 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Wolfgang Bornath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] cp 'black out.txt' 'chancellor kohl.txt' can you also use $ cp black\ out.txt chancellor\ kohl.txt You can use both, just tested it. For me the version with quotes is

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-04 Thread Mark Weaver
Woody Green wrote: Also: cp black\ out.txt chancellor\ kohl.txt Woody Ok...lets have a show of hands here. How many hard-core Unix system heads have we here with 10 or more years of experience. I'm starting to feel as though there is a vast chache of untapped knowledge lurking in

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-04 Thread James Sparenberg
Over 10 years on computers not always nix (I miss my Amiga *grin*) James On Wed, 2002-09-04 at 06:27, Mark Weaver wrote: Woody Green wrote: Also: cp black\ out.txt chancellor\ kohl.txt Woody Ok...lets have a show of hands here. How many hard-core Unix system heads

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-04 Thread Benjamin Pflugmann
Hi. Well, only about 8 years of UNIX, not 10. And 18(?) years with computers. Don't know if I would call me a hard-core UNIX head (I don't like vi, you see? ;-). On Wed 2002-09-04 at 12:32:52 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: Over 10 years on computers not always nix (I miss my Amiga *grin*)

Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question

2002-09-04 Thread kiran
On Wed, 2002-09-04 at 05:59, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Sat, Aug 31, 2002 at 12:31 -0400, Mark Weaver wrote: Hi list, Ok...I've been a wrackin my poor brain for the last few hours and burnin up the Google search engine trying to find the answer to this question, but I just can't