[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread Marcio
Vaj you're funny, now is only 2-3 months between one technique and another ... but you know what techniques? can you describe for us? thankyou --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Jan 5, 2011, at 7:59 AM, Marcio wrote: > > > hello .. I wonder .. Anyone know all the tech

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread Marcio
Vaj you're funny, now is only 2-3 months between one technique and another ... but you know what techniques? can you describe for us? thankyou --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Jan 5, 2011, at 7:59 AM, Marcio wrote: > > > hello .. I wonder .. Anyone know all the tech

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > On Jan 5, 2011, at 7:59 AM, Marcio wrote: > > > hello .. I wonder .. Anyone know all the techniques taught by > > MMY ... ? advanced techniques known as fertilizer? or special > > techniques? > > > > thank you in advanced > > The advanced

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread Marcio
thank you turquoise sri pronunciation (shri) is like sh in Fresh? but and the other six techniques you can say in detail? or do you not know? thank you so much --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "TurquoiseB" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > On Jan 5,

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marcio" wrote: > > thank you turquoise > > sri pronunciation (shri) > > is like sh in Fresh? > > but and the other six techniques you can say in detail? > > or do you not know? > > thank you so much I don't know. I got a bunch of them back during my

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread Marcio
You know where I can find these advanced techniques? I do not want to pay dollars to learn --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "TurquoiseB" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marcio" wrote: > > > > thank you turquoise > > > > sri pronunciation (shri) > > > > is like sh in

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread WillyTex
Marcio: > You know where I can find these advanced > techniques? I do not want to pay dollars > to learn... > Maybe Turq and Vaj could teach you for free? Apparently one is in Amsterdam, NE and the other up in Maine, USA. I'm sure they would be willing to help you, since they know so many

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread WillyTex
> > Anyone know all the techniques taught by > > MMY... ? > > Vaj: > Total time spent: about 12 years. Does not > include TM Sidhi program. > > Total dollar amount: approx. 20,000 US > dollars. > > That's a lot of fertilizer. > Does your wife know you spent 12 years and $20,000 to learn ho

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread whynotnow7
Hi Vaj, you left out that you have no actual experience with these advanced techniques, or TM for that matter, so that your negative assessment of these techniques is pure speculation and bias. Ever hear the expression, "Don't knock it 'til you've tried it"? I haven't done any of the advanced

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread Marcio
wow very good Vaj thank you so much ...:) :) :) :) these advanced techniques you think are true ? thank you again .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Jan 5, 2011, at 9:37 AM, Marcio wrote: > > > You know where I can find these advanced techniques? I do not want

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote: > > Hi Vaj, you left out that you have no actual experience with these advanced > techniques, or TM for that matter, so that your negative assessment of these > techniques is pure speculation and bias. Ever hear the expression, "Don't

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread danfriedman2002
Nabby, Your patience is extraordinary. Dan --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote: > > > > Hi Vaj, you left out that you have no actual experience with these advanced > > techniques, or TM for that matter,

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread Marcio
hello .. Who is vaj .. everyone here do not like him why not? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote: > > > > Hi Vaj, you left out that you have no actual experience with these advanced > > techniques, or T

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread whynotnow7
I've noticed that Vaj will often use distorted logic in order to have "reality" match his emotional state. In other words it is more important to him to ensure that TM or Maharishi are denegrated rather than get the foundation of his statements accurate. It is this that I apparently enjoy pointi

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread whynotnow7
Hi Nabby, To follow up on my own post - eeek - It isn't the content of what anyone says on FFL. Those criticizing TM the Sidhis and Maharishi don't bother me (anymore). But fair is fair - If I see something I want to challenge or point out, that is my right too. Hopefully it keeps things interes

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marcio" wrote: > > > hello .. Who is vaj .. everyone here do not like him why not? At least I have hard time accepting his illogic as to the third paada of Yoga-suutra_s: how can it be that one should not practise the saMyama-s, if they by PataƱjali's defi

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread whynotnow7
Seems to me that if folks are toadying and confirming their devotion during the practice of TM with Advanced Techniques, then they aren't meditating correctly...gently return to the mantra and all that. In terms of my experience, the mantra is like peanut butter, so I already had enough peanut

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread RoryGoff
I apologize whole-heartedly, Sal, to you and Vaj and Turq and everyone else for all the obvious bullsh*it and mean-spiritedness you have spotted in me and called me on. Many thanks for doing so; I appreciate it, and am giving it my full attention and intention to heal it. *L*L*L* --- In Fairf

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread whynotnow7
And why pray tell my fair lady would you ever think it remotely crosses my mind to please you through my writing, given your obvious loathing of me? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > On Jan 5, 2011, at 4:54 PM, whynotnow7 wrote: > > Seems to me that if folks are toad

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread whynotnow7
Sal, being free with your opinions, and just to get back to reality for a moment, do you personally think Vaj has been initiated into TM? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > On Jan 5, 2011, at 3:59 PM, Marcio wrote: > > > hello .. Who is vaj .. everyone here do not li

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread feste37
I think any fair-minded reader looking back over the last week or so would see Jim and Rory as writing quite interesting and pleasant posts. The mean-spirited posts come from Sal herself, who appears to be merely projecting onto others her own negative and cynical feelings. --- In FairfieldL

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread yifuxero
I don't think he has been initiated into TM since: a. he exhibits scant knowledge of the technique and the results of practice, b. doesn't realize that through TM, "transcendence" may = a whole spectrum of various appreciations of the Self, but not amounting (except in rare cases); true "Samadh

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread whynotnow7
Great advice for me in any context Sal (and thanks for the 'friendly' part - believe it or not). Thanks for calling me on my bullsh*t. I appreciate it. On the other hand, I am not trying to bring Vaj's integrity into question - I assume that is what you are referring to - I get a sense he hasn't

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread emptybill
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" wrote: > > I don't think he has been initiated into TM since: a. he exhibits scant > knowledge of the technique and the results of practice, > b. doesn't realize that through TM, "transcendence" may = a whole spectrum > of various appreciations

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread whynotnow7
Whew, I was gonna f*ckin' DIE if it had taken any longer...I feel better now. Now who is going to volunteer to hold this absolute FACT in place for me?... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > On Jan 5, 2011, at 5:58 PM, feste37 wrote: > > > > I think any fair-minded re

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread whynotnow7
Well said! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Jan 5, 2011, at 7:23 PM, whynotnow7 wrote: > > > Whew, I was gonna f*ckin' DIE if it had taken any longer...I feel better > > now. Now who is going to volunteer to hold this absolute FACT in place for > > me?... > > > We

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread emptybill
What they are not telling you is that the mantra lists they cite are full of significant errors. They are also leaving out the significance of receiving the teachings from a trained teacher who knows how to impart the technique (not just the mantra-s) properly. Since learning the technique is ab

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread Marcio
> ok everybody talked talked talked, but about the techniques of mantra about the details of the additions of fertilizer nobody said almost nothing, anyone know about the different versions of tm-sidhid ? why reason MMY only selected 18 Sutras of Patanjali ... there are several Sutras

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread whynotnow7
I appreciate that. Yeah, I won't try to make that case (about Vaj doing TM or not) one way or the other. I agree that there can be other avenues of expression/conversation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > On Jan 5, 2011, at 5:55 PM, whynotnow7 wrote: > > > Sal, be

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread whynotnow7
Hi Vaj, I must assume you are talking about me, and so I reply that I have a rather strong feeling about this. It is not a case of proving you wrong. It is a strong sense that you have not been initiated into TM. I am completely willing to drop it, though I want you to know I come by this intuit

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread whynotnow7
Yeah, Maharishi developed a sequence from Patanjali's work that he felt would bring about a coherent unfolding or expansion of consciousness. I did them for many years and found them very helpful, but too powerful - by that I mean I had trouble grounding myself over time, to continue (and time c

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread WillyTex
Marcio: > ...everybody talked talked talked, but about > the techniques of mantra about the details of > the additions of fertilizer nobody said almost > nothing... > It's very common for TM Teachers to keep secrets - that's why even the ex-TM Teachers on the forum won't tell you the secre

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread seventhray1
Marcio, you seem rather pathetic. You got what you wanted, but you go on and on with, "Are you sure it's true Vaj? Is it really true Vaj? You're not putting me on,are you Vaj?" If you still have so much doubt, why not pay for the techniques and find out. After all, he could be fooling you.

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread seventhray1
Actually, I think we have had a really nice three month period here. At the risk of sounding corny, I think people have been respecting one another quite a bit more. Differences of opinion are tolerated without devolving into personal attacks, which then seem to never end. I, at least, have s

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread seventhray1
I like Sal, but I have to agree Feste - from whence come these (yes, mean spirited is the word) posts when in general the dialogue has been quite cordial. ( and pleasant). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote: > > > > I think any fair-minded reader looking back over the last w

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread seventhray1
Has it occurred to you that Vaj does not respond to these speculations, or questions, and that by continually bringing them up you only enhance his stature as a critic of the TM movement. When it comes to eastern schools of meditation and spiritual paths he seems quite knowledgeable. I have no

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread emptybill
Steve ... it will be okay. Vaj can answer for himself. You don't need to protect him. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" wrote: > > Has it occurred to you that Vaj does not respond to these speculations, or questions, and that by continually bringing them up you only enhance

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread RoryGoff
While I really appreciate the love in your posts, Steve and Feste, I have to say upfront that if Sal sees something negative in me, I can guarantee you she's right -- it is definitely in here, in our awareness, and I am taking steps to own it and heal it unconditionally and fully. And likewise i

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread seventhray1
Okay Bill. Thanks for unburdening me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" wrote: > > Steve ... it will be okay. > > Vaj can answer for himself. > > You don't need to protect him. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@ > wrote: > > > > Has it occ

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread seventhray1
Sure Rory, I copy. I guess I'm just a sucker for people giving others just a little leeway in expressing their opinions. Yea, of course I don't always do it myself, but when something comes across as mean spirited it pretty much puts the kabosh on any kind of fruitful dialogue. --- In Fairfield

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread yifuxero
Very good...there's lots of merit in being nice. But sometimes (especially when people are hiding something or have ulterior motives), various types of "tough love" may be appropriate to (first) - challenge their positions, then (second) attack their pov's if perceived to be contrary to "the tru

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote: > > > > I think any fair-minded reader looking back over the last week or so would > see Jim and Rory as writing quite interesting and pleasant posts. The > mean-spirited posts come from Sal herself, who appears to be merely > projectin

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-05 Thread RoryGoff
It's OK, Raunch; I do respect where you and Judy are apparently coming from as well, and I can certainly relate. I appreciate the need to uphold one's truth, and I respect it. For me, at the moment my approach is not really a matter of becoming a better person; it is just a matter of resistance

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" wrote: > > Actually, I think we have had a really nice three month period > here. At the risk of sounding corny, I think people have been > respecting one another quite a bit more. Differences of opinion > are tolerated without devolving into

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread Marcio
OK .. Vaj thank you so much you seem to know much about these techniques,,, could you detail here the tm-dhis do you know? who's Tat Walla Baba ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Jan 5, 2011, at 8:02 PM, Marcio wrote: > > > > > > ok everybody talked talked talke

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread Marcio
ok whynotnow7 thankyou I practice TM-siddhis and my list is equal to that list vaj put here previously, ... but I know there are other versions ... inlcisive of invisibilidae ... could you describe your list of sutras that you have received from MMY? or send to my email tmer1...@gmail.com

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread Marcio
i pratice tmsidhis for 20 yers :) WillyTex very good .. very good .. could you be more clear I sit and repeat "Aing"or "Shiri Aing namah" in the heart chakra? how many minutes .. sitting or lying thankyou or send for my email tmer1...@gmail.com (you have good knowledge about these te

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread Marcio
steve.sundur cool friend I only asked if the techniques are true, because these techniques are across the network, available on the internet .. but where did they originate? someone put for fun .. or actually received from MMY? I do not doubt Vaj or anyone on this forum ... this is not

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote: > > Hi Nabby, To follow up on my own post - eeek - It isn't the content of what > anyone says on FFL. Those criticizing TM the Sidhis and Maharishi don't > bother me (anymore). But fair is fair - If I see something I want to > challeng

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > On Jan 5, 2011, at 3:59 PM, Marcio wrote: > > > hello .. Who is vaj .. everyone here do not like him why not? Because he is a patological lier on a crusade for Buddhism against TM ?

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote: > > > > I think any fair-minded reader looking back over the last week or so would > see Jim and Rory as writing quite interesting and pleasant posts. The > mean-spirited posts come from Sal herself, who appears to be merely > projectin

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread seventhray1
Nice summary. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote: > Feste37, Sal is obviously irony impaired. Without a doubt, FFLife has been a kinder gentler place with Turq gone. Now that he's back his toadies, Sal and Vaj, are eager to join him in squashing as many tender feelings as

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > Of course this would all depend on whether you accept Tat Walla Baba (and his > successor) as authorities. The Shankaracharya tradition is quite emphatic on > not cultivating yogic siddhis at all, it's not supportive of balanced > awakening an

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > Of course this would all depend on whether you accept Tat Walla Baba (and > > his successor) as authorities. The Shankaracharya tradition is quite > > emphatic on not cultivati

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread seventhray1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "TurquoiseB" wrote: > I think the "pile on" phenomenon is 1) lazy, and > 2) embarrassing. Anyone who indulges in it while > claiming to be a spiritual seeker is just not > worth my time. Others may see things differently, > and get off by continuing their de

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "TurquoiseB" > wrote: > > > > I think the "pile on" phenomenon is 1) lazy, and > > 2) embarrassing. Anyone who indulges in it while > > claiming to be a spiritual seeker is just not > > worth my t

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread whynotnow7
Hi RD, Thanks for your summary. Yes I agree this has been a far different place for a few months (sigh). As for thanking Sal for calling me on my BS, I was referring to her statement about me setting myself above others. It is useful advice for me to dislike the behavior, not the person. It is a

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread WillyTex
yifuxero: > And then there are the partial truths... > is there any 'partial truth' to Vaj's claim that MMY murdered SBS? You failed to make any comments on that, so I pretty much wrote you off as an impartial critic on this forum.

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread whynotnow7
Sorry Dude - When I received them, the list of sutras, it was as a student, not a teacher. Same deal now. I suggest you look elsewhere. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marcio" wrote: > > > ok whynotnow7 > > > thankyou > > I practice TM-siddhis and my list is equal to that list vaj pu

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread WillyTex
Marcio: > could you be more clear I sit and repeat > "Aing"or "Shiri Aing namah" in the heart chakra? > Actually you should not repeat the bija - that's more like 'chanting', which can cause you to remain on the conscious thinking level. All you need to do is wait innocently for the bija

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread emptybill
So if you are leaping and bounding at your heart chakra then you must not be able to break free of this body coffin. Pitiful ... ain't it? Guess you really have to tie yourself up with a tight leash. Probably you thought this was what Patanjali meant by practicing restraint (yama). There is pro

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread RoryGoff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote: As for devotion, someone said that in the midst of unity duality is created for the enjoyment of experiencing devotion. That pretty well sums it up for me. > > > > I don't know whether God is real to me. The term "God" is pretty amorpho

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: > > Marcio, stop being such a cheap bastard and go learn how to meditate > properly. If you try to simply think a bija mantra without any instruction > outside of we bozo's in this group, you'll just get a headache and quit. Go > learn TM or

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread Marcio
very good, thanks ... one doubts,;; bija when it comes to my mind in the heart chkar I repeat it as Aing Aing .. .. Aing or just keep it in my mind subtly subtly until I forget the bija naturally and effortlessly ..? then .. Aing, Aing, Aing, repeat or remember only the bija subtly until I

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread Marcio
; outside of we bozo's in this group, you'll just get a headache and quit. Go > learn TM or AOL's Sahaja Samadhi meditation which is a mantra meditation too > from a qualified teacher. > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, WillyTex wrote: > > > From: WillyTex > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote: > > yifuxero: > > And then there are the partial truths... > > > is there any 'partial truth' to Vaj's claim > that MMY murdered SBS? You failed to make any > comments on that, so I pretty much wrote you > off as an impartial critic on thi

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread whynotnow7
Thanks Rory. My responses to your responses below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote: > As for devotion, someone said that in the midst of unity duality is created > for the enjoyment of experiencing devot

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread yifuxero
w to do it. > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Marcio wrote: > > > From: Marcio > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 2:28 PM > > tm teacher .. want a lot

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread Marcio
tate correctly if you just think a bija mantra. TM is very easy, but you > have to be taught how to do it. > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Marcio wrote: > > > From: Marcio > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers > > To: FairfieldLife@y

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread PaliGap
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" wrote: > > Precisely! And it has to be an empowered with Shakti, otherwise you may not > "transcend" and the repetition of your life-less mantra (even with the > correct technique) will be a dead end. Sorry, you have to pay some $ to > somebod

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread Marcio
n go to an AOL teacher. Honestly, you aren't going to learn how to > > meditate correctly if you just think a bija mantra. TM is very easy, but > > you have to be taught how to do it. > > > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Marcio wrote: > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread WillyTex
Peter: > Marcio, stop being such a cheap bastard > and go learn how to meditate properly... > You idiot - he already said that he has been practicing TM-Sidhis for twenty years. What he wants now are advanced techniques. You are a spiritual teacher - do your job! Why don't you teach him a

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread WillyTex
Peter: > Then go to an AOL teacher. Honestly, you aren't > going to learn how to meditate correctly if you > just think a bija mantra. TM is very easy, but > you have to be taught how to do it. > So, why should anyone have to pay money to learn how to 'think' a bija mantra? What happens to

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread WillyTex
yifuxero: > And it has to be an empowered with Shakti, otherwise > you may not "transcend" and the repetition of your > life-less mantra (even with the correct technique) > will be a dead end... > You're not describing TM - are you saying that Jerry Jarvis or Bevan Morris have a lot of 'Shakti

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread yifuxero
Richard: I don't quite understand your point. Are you suggesting that one should get the bija mantras from a book and not get an "empowered" mantra through Initiation? Right...he already practices TM, so let's isolate what he a. wants, and b. what people think he needs. OKhe needs to clarif

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread WillyTex
yifuxero: > Richard: I don't quite understand your point. > Are you suggesting that one should get the > bija mantras from a book and not get an > "empowered" mantra through Initiation? > According to at least three FFL pundits, that's all you need to do. Vaj listed all the bijas and Barry2 s

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread yifuxero
No, Richard. My point is based on experience. During my TM initiation, I experienced some definite SHAKTI, along with what the TMO calls "Transcendence". IN MY EXPERIENCE - my TM mantra has a distinctive property: empowered ENERGY, not shared by: a. getting seed mantras from a book b. other m

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread Marcio
good willy ... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote: > > > > Peter: > > Marcio, stop being such a cheap bastard > > and go learn how to meditate properly... > > > You idiot - he already said that he has > been practicing TM-Sidhis for twenty years. > > What he wants no

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread Marcio
good willy ... you are correct .. i want learn advanced techniques. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote: > > > > Peter: > > Marcio, stop being such a cheap bastard > > and go learn how to meditate properly... > > > You idiot - he already said that he has > been practicin

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread whynotnow7
Its an intriguing question. At this point I probably couldn't make a clear judgment about the effects of a mantra out of a book because I've been using the same TM one for a long time, and it has continued to perform reliably all these years. I don't know whether the initiation per shakti was

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2011-01-06 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote: > > > > yifuxero: > > Richard: I don't quite understand your point. > > Are you suggesting that one should get the > > bija mantras from a book and not get an > > "empowered" mantra through Initiation? > > > According to at least three

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread emptybill
This question is interesting and might be valuable to consider. However it is too simplistic to answer in a straightforward way. Since some of us were trained as TM teachers, the real question about non-diksha mantras revolves around knowing how entertain a "book" mantra by knowing how to intro

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2011-01-06 Thread raunchydog
I became a teacher in Biarritz, France in 1976. Maharishi was there to give us the TM mantras. I'm grateful to him for this knowledge and I feel honor bound to "keep the teaching pure" as he asked me to do. I haven't taught anyone in years, but I've always been amazed at the utter simplicity of

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2011-01-06 Thread whynotnow7
Thanks for sharing that RD, the peace and silence come through. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote: > > I became a teacher in Biarritz, France in 1976. Maharishi was there to give > us the TM mantras. I'm grateful to him for this knowledge and I feel honor > bound to "keep

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread pranamoocher
So that's your background, RD... And all along I've assumed you were a former roadie-street type person with a name like Raunchy Dog, when in fact you've had quite a spiritually clean background over the years. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote: > > I became a teacher in B

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread metoostill
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > On Jan 5, 2011, at 2:53 PM, Marcio wrote: > > > wow very good Vaj thank you so much ... :) :) :) :) > > If you mean true in that they were at one time given by the TMO, yes. > > But they are not the mantras of the devatas which are more trad

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread raviyogi2009
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "TurquoiseB" wrote:>> > That's just my approach to the spiritual smorgasbord.> I hold NO ONE to be an absolute "authority." NO ONE.> They were just guys -- and the occasional gal -- who> had OPINIONs, that's all. Those OPINIONs are of use> to me only if intui

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread raviyogi2009
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "TurquoiseB" wrote: > > > Steve, because you're one of the few people here who > actually seems to perceive the "FFL trends" accurately, > I'll respond. I do so even though I have been trying my > best to stay out of the shit since returning. Don't bullshit T

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-06 Thread raviyogi2009
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "TurquoiseB" wrote: > > > But it *does* seem to push buttons in some others. > They -- again, after all these decades -- seem > to be still caught in the samskara of "Criticize > my spiritual teacher and you're criticizing *me*." > I'm sorry, but I find that

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote: > > I became a teacher in Biarritz, France in 1976. Maharishi was there to give > us the TM mantras. I'm grateful to him for this knowledge and I feel honor > bound to "keep the teaching pure" as he asked me to do. I haven't taught > a

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher wrote: > > So that's your background, RD... > And all along I've assumed you were a former roadie-street type person > with a name like Raunchy Dog, when in fact you've had quite a > spiritually clean background over the years. > > Hair of the

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread Marcio
Raunchydog I practice TM-Sidhi daily for 20 years, I am grateful to MMY .. for I have learned to transecendental meditation, I agree with you .. transcendental meditation I love, my life changed for the better .. I only bow to the knowledge that I received ... but I want to learn more ... I lo

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marcio" wrote: > > Raunchydog > > I practice TM-Sidhi daily for 20 years, I am grateful to MMY .. for I have > learned to transecendental meditation, I agree with you .. transcendental > meditation I love, my life changed for the better .. I only bow to

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread WillyTex
> > According to at least three FFL pundits, that's > > all you need to do. Vaj listed all the bijas and > > Barry2 said they were all in books... > > cardemaister: > Hmmm...how can you guarantee, that a native speaker of, > say, English, gets the correct pronunciation of a biija- > mantra from a

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread WillyTex
> > According to at least three FFL pundits, that's > > all you need to do. Vaj listed all the bijas and > > Barry2 said they were all in books... > > Vaj: > I don't recommend people getting mantras from books > for meditation practice... > So, you must have posted the link to the TM bijas on F

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread WillyTex
emptybill: > So if you are leaping and bounding at your heart > chakra then you must not be able to break free of > this body coffin... > The chakras are not the physical body; they are the constituent turnings of the subtle, transcendental body. Bija mantras are 'thought-instants', not words with

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2011-01-07 Thread RoryGoff
Thanks, Jim! Right, this "yagya" works upon the simple Understanding that we take full responsibility for this timeless Now, our awareness-field of creation. By contrast to the eternal perfection of Now, the time-bound Ego or resistant desire-particle is revealed by its dissonance, dissatisfac

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2011-01-07 Thread whynotnow7
"Put another way, the deity is simply US as viewed by the particle, an US which the Ego-bound desire-particle does not yet consider itself to be, as we have in a sense unconsciously rejected it (ourself) until Now." Hi Rory - It is quite a fascinating paradox from my perspective. On the one han

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2011-01-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Jan 7, 2011, at 11:51 AM, WillyTex wrote: > > > Or, maybe you have some other explanation. But, in over > > ten years of reading your posts, you have failed to > > explain very much about the mechanics of consciousness. > > > Maybe th

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Jan 6, 2011, at 4:19 PM, WillyTex wrote: > > > yifuxero: > > > Richard: I don't quite understand your point. > > > Are you suggesting that one should get the > > > bija mantras from a book and not get an > > > "empowered" mantra through

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