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>> On the other hand, where I see things differently to you,
>> is that I don't believe, as you say,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote:
> Rolfing is not (yet) approved. On one of the BatGap interviews, a woman said
> she gave and received a lot of energy work before and after unfoldment. And
> cited Rolfing (thats different from Ralphing") as a method for huge release
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> > To spread misinformation as well as good information. As social
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> To spread misinformation as well as good information. As social creatures we
> are inordinately swayed in our beliefs by this.
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> credentiale
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shanti2218411" wrote:
> It seems to me mental health professionals who use forms of
> therapy such as "chakra therapy" have an ethical and professional
> obligation to identify a clear theoretical framework and a body
> of evidence to support using it.Lacki
FWIW anxiety is a sx of many different psychological disorders.
The tx of anxiety would largely be based on what the underlying
disorder is.A simple phobia would be treated in much different
fashion than would the anxiety that is associated with a terminal
illness.A considerable
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> > > > > People whose trust by the public is based on their
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "PaliGap" wrote:
Many fascinating points! I'll comment below.
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> > Always good to consider an edit for simp
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> Always good to consider an edit for simplification especially with a
> potentially pretentious word like "epistemological". In most conversations I
> would not
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> > > > People whose trust by the public is based on their
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> > Yes anecdotal evidence is compelling to those uneducated
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> I suspect I'm inadverten
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Always good to consider an edit for simplification especially with a
potentially pretentious word like "epistemological". In most conversations I
would not use it. But here on FFL life some posters like Doug use a system for
assessing va
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> Yes anecdotal evidence is compelling to those uneducated
> to its psycological sway over its epistemological validity.
I suspect I'm inadvertently channeling Card here, but what
is the difference between the above and the
On Apr 2, 2011, at 11:20 AM, tartbrain wrote:
> Rolfing is not (yet) approved. On one of the BatGap interviews, a woman said
> she gave and received a lot of energy work before and after unfoldment. And
> cited Rolfing (thats different from Ralphing") as a method for huge release
> of emotion
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> To spread misinformation as well as good information. As social creatures we
> are inordinately swayed in our beliefs by this.
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> credentiale
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
Curtis,
To spread misinformation as well as good information. As social creatures we
are inordinately swayed in our beliefs by this.
Interesting point about the growth of science. How do we test new ideas and
sort them out from idea
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
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> > > > > > These points are interesting to me. There are two places
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> > > > > > 1. You believe that "chakra energy" experiences are
On Apr 2, 2011, at 12:03 AM, Yifu wrote:
> Vetting by resume can be helpful, but the bottom line: direct experience.
> Vaj's family judged the book by the cover and thus missed out on something; a
> frequent happenstance among intellectual elites who fail to take the plunge.
> The Skeptic Mic
On Apr 1, 2011, at 11:37 PM, seventhray1 wrote:
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> I kind of get the impression that you are describing a very linear process.
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For me it would be more like an experiential lab that a teacher went through,
using themselves as the experiment and the
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Vetting by resume can be helpful, but the bottom line: direct experience. Vaj's
family judged the book by the cover and thus missed out on something; a
frequent happenstance among intellectual elites who fail to take the plunge.
The Skeptic Michael Shermer is a typical example, although he did
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> That's a really good question, but I suspect my answer might seem a
lot simpler than you expected. Really the criteria should be no
different from any other professional you might want to hire. All of my
current teachers had a period of study,
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> On Apr 1, 2011, at 1:31 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
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> >> Basically the only people who are doing this do a lengthy
> >> psychological evaluation and profile, along with long que
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> > > These points are interesting to me. There are two places
> > > to start that end i
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
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> The limiting factor in my case was my family. They'd
> dealt with and known various yogis and lamas in the
> Himalayas for many decades before I was born. None of
> them, not one trusted Mahesh. ALL refused any
> instruction in TM.
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> And, of
On Apr 1, 2011, at 1:31 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
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>> Basically the only people who are doing this do a lengthy
>> psychological evaluation and profile, along with long questionnaire
>> and interview of all the various developmental issu
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> These points are interesting to me. There are two places to start that end
> in the same conclusion for me.
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> 1. You believe that "chakra energy" experiences
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
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> > These points are interesting to me. There are two places
> > to start that end in the same conclusion for me.
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> > 1. You believe that "chakra energy" expe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> Basically the only people who are doing this do a lengthy
> psychological evaluation and profile, along with long questionnaire
> and interview of all the various developmental issues one dealt with
> in their lives. Then and only then do t
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
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> These points are interesting to me. There are two places
> to start that end in the same conclusion for me.
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> 1. You believe that "chakra energy" experiences are real,
> valuable and can be distinguished from the possible men
On Apr 1, 2011, at 12:10 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
Here are the problems I see. First who has the training in both
mental health and chakras to a level that there can be a definitive
diagnosis of one or the other paradigm? The Catholic church sends
all exorcism cases to a psychiatrist f
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" wrote:
These points are interesting to me. There are two places to start that end in
the same conclusion for me.
1. You believe that "chakra energy" experiences are real, valuable and can be
distinguished from the possible mental disorders i
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote:
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> > I would try askjeeeves.com. It is probably a very common occurance, and
> > jeeves can likely offer some sound advice about it. "Dear Jeeves, my
> > kundal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" wrote:
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> I would try askjeeeves.com. It is probably a very common occurance, and
> jeeves can likely offer some sound advice about it. "Dear Jeeves, my
> kundalini is on fire and I am writhing around like a snake here at 3:00
> am. C
On Mar 31, 2011, at 7:06 PM, emptybill wrote:
We've been over this before. In Buddhism, samaadhi means dharana
while dhyana-samaapatti is absorption in meditation.
"Transcendence" is a western concept. In Sanskrit, the term
(taraatitaa) is not officially used also (in Buddhism). Sometimes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote:
> She's doing great now. Awakened after leaving the movement and sitting
with
> various satsang teachers.
Glad to hear it Rick. Of course she couldn't get enlightened while in
the movment. that wouldn't be kosher. And with Passover
I would try askjeeeves.com. It is probably a very common occurance, and
jeeves can likely offer some sound advice about it. "Dear Jeeves, my
kundalini is on fire and I am writhing around like a snake here at 3:00
am. Can you please give some advice on what to do".
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
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> One of the Bobby Roth TM questioners last week that I thought was most
interesting was the young woman MUM student from New Mexico asking about
more guidance with chakra energy work and hoping for services at MUM
with this for people who wo
We've been over this before. In Buddhism, samaadhi means dharana while
dhyana-samaapatti is absorption in meditation.
"Transcendence" is a western concept. In Sanskrit, the term
(taraatitaa) is not officially used also (in Buddhism). Sometimes
"transcendence" is used by western educated people
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote:
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> On Behalf Of Peter
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> Unguided practice. My biggest "complaint" about TM and the TM siddhis. As
> long as progress is slow and gentle, not
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I hope she's doing okay now. If y
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> I hope she's doing okay now. If you're having intense kundalini the last
> thing you want to do are asanas! She needed to go out and have an emergency
> hamburger or two!
If your kundalini is on fire the last thing you WANT to do is asan
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Unguided practice. My biggest "complaint" about TM and the TM siddhis. As
long as progress is slow and gentle, not a problem for the most part. But when
experiences begin to move into self trans
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On the Ayurveda training course with Chopra
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Unguided practice. My biggest
Unguided practice. My biggest "complaint" about TM and the TM siddhis. As long
as progress is slow and gentle, not a problem for the most part. But when
experiences begin to move into self transcendence and all the cognitive and
emotional uproar this will create, you need a guru.
Peter
On Ma
On Mar 31, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Buck wrote:
One of the Bobby Roth TM questioners last week that I thought was
most interesting was the young woman MUM student from New Mexico
asking about more guidance with chakra energy work and hoping for
services at MUM with this for people who would need
One of the Bobby Roth TM questioners last week that I thought was most
interesting was the young woman MUM student from New Mexico asking about more
guidance with chakra energy work and hoping for services at MUM with this for
people who would need help with that, besides meditating. It obvious
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
> The Rama guy refused to teach any of his students anything
> he considered "advanced" until they could maintain the
> completely thoughtless state for several hours. That was
> what he considered the "brown belt" level of meditation.
> Wo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
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> According to HHDL, awareness of the subtle energy of the body, and
> the ability to effect it, begins once one can transcend for about 4
> hours:
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That's true. It's also why spiritual folks/ teachers like to come to
Fairfield. Old me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
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> According to HHDL, awareness of the subtle energy of the body, and
> the ability to effect it, begins once one can transcend for about
> 4 hours.
The Frederick Lenz - Rama guy I worked with always said
(and interestingly, so did all of the T
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