..alternating with ATBAT voicing of the same chord
Hi Chuck,
Herb Pomeroy referred to this as the "baseball configuration!" I
always liked that
I love this idea of changing timbre with alt. fingerings and
configurations! Very cool! Can I hear it if you will be recording it
Aaron Sherber wrote:
Really? I keep my "parts score" around, in case I need to make
revisions. Copying and pasting changes from the main score to the parts
score is, for me, much faster than re-creating the parts score from the
main score, with all the cues, etc.
Eh? I agree with David i
Thank you gentlemen.
Dean
On Dec 21, 2005, at 4:11 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 06:21 PM 12/21/2005, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
>BTW, I've looked all over in my Mac2k6, and have not been able to
>find Smart Explosion, of which you speak. What is it, and where is
it?
It's part of the full TGTo
At 09:54 PM 12/21/2005, Robert Patterson wrote:
>First, you seem to have missed the point of forking. The forked score
>has a very short lifespan. It lives only from the time the score is
>finished until the time the parts have been extracted. Then it goes into
>the bit bucket.
Really? I keep my
This is how I do it.
I make a score that extracts parts correctly and extract them. When
that's done, I make a few changes (saving the new file as "score") -
some text blocks, page formatting, page set up, measure numbers -
things like that. It usually takes me a while. I keep that as th
On 21 Dec 2005 at 21:33, David W. Fenton wrote:
> On 21 Dec 2005 at 17:32, John Howell wrote:
> > As I understand it, on the viol it is a vibrato
> > action involving two fingers, one firmly behind
> > the fret, the other pressed tightly against it
> > and striking the string on or just above
I don't know why I bother answering the comments of such a committed
contrarian, but for the sake of other list members I will address some
of these questions.
First, you seem to have missed the point of forking. The forked score
has a very short lifespan. It lives only from the time the score
On 21 Dec 2005 at 17:32, John Howell wrote:
> At 4:33 PM -0500 12/21/05, David W. Fenton wrote:
> >On 21 Dec 2005 at 12:51, John Howell wrote:
> >
> >> (Another ornament
> >> no longer used is the "pincée, a kind of vibrato
> >> trill, which had its own sign.)
> >
> >I've never heard of pincé b
On 21 Dec 2005 at 23:22, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 21, 2005, at 10:23PM, Chuck Israels
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Is it a practical idea to link only some elements?
>
> In reading another thread about parts extraction, it seems that linked
> parts (if ever implem
On 21 Dec 2005 at 21:51, Robert Patterson wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> >
> > What aspects of layout are fixed by forking the file before you
> > extract parts?
>
> It allows you to edit the score for extraction without affecting your
> clean score. These edits are likely to be
>
> 1.
On 21 Dec 2005 at 18:17, Noel Stoutenburg wrote:
> David W. Fenton wrote:
>
> >So, however true it may be of MM's employees, it doesn't in any way
> >excuse them for bad mistakes like releasing FinMac 2006 with the
> >horrid data loss bug. It goes without saying that they didn't
> >*intend* to ca
><< If you mean that you want the Coda on the same line as some other music
>and it is separated by a shim of blank space, insert an extra bar, and
>apply a staff style to it that has the staff setting set to "0 with full
>barline". That effectively makes a bar with no lines - which is blank
>space
In a message dated 12/21/05 5:09:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
<< If you mean that you want the Coda on the same line as some other music
and it is separated by a shim of blank space, insert an extra bar, and
apply a staff style to it that has the staff setting set to "0 with full
barline". T
David W. Fenton wrote:
So, however true it may be of MM's employees, it doesn't in any way
excuse them for bad mistakes like releasing FinMac 2006 with the
horrid data loss bug. It goes without saying that they didn't
*intend* to cause this problem, but they did it anyway, despite their
best
At 06:21 PM 12/21/2005, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
>BTW, I've looked all over in my Mac2k6, and have not been able to
>find Smart Explosion, of which you speak. What is it, and where is it?
It's part of the full TGTools, available from www.tgtools.com
The TGTools Lite included with Fin2006 include
It's part of TGTools: http://tgtools.com
This, and the Patterson Plug-ins, are (in my opinion) necessary for
serious engraving work.
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On Wednesday, December 21, 2005, at 10:23PM, Chuck Israels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Is it a practical idea to link only some elements?
In reading another thread about parts extraction, it seems that linked parts
(if ever implemented) would *have* to link only some of the elements.
>Entr
BTW, I've looked all over in my Mac2k6, and have not been able to
find Smart Explosion, of which you speak. What is it, and where is it?
Dean
On Dec 21, 2005, at 2:42 PM, Lee Actor wrote:
In addition to Brad's and Robert's examples, I'll add the following
items which are much easier to deal
>My question: Since many practices which were once common go away with time,
> can someone suggest a method of creating the
>blank space. I have enough room on the page to create a sliver of space and
>still not crowd the music, however, I really don't want to add another
>page for
>two measu
In addition to Brad's and Robert's examples, I'll add the following items which
are much easier to deal with in an intermediate "parts" score:
1) font and position of measure numbers
2) position and format of page numbers
3) music spacing
For me these are all different in the parts than they are
Brad:
No, I haven't done much work yet, so that sounds as if may make the
most sense. I appreciate the wisdom of the list ...
Thanks,
Dean
On Dec 21, 2005, at 10:54 AM, Brad Beyenhof wrote:
Actually, Dean, if you haven't done much work on the files since
extraction I would very much reco
On Dec 21, 2005, at 4:24 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 21 Dec 2005 at 10:54, Brad Beyenhof wrote:
Actually, Dean, if you haven't done much work on the files since
extraction I would very much recommend creating a separate Parts score
as Johannes suggested. I was under the impression that you
Well, I can only speak to my present case, but I found that after I
extracted the parts from the score, which was in legal size format,
and wished to print the parts in 8.5x11, when the parts opened up,
they needed a lot of adjusting from the default presentation.
Hairpins needed moving,
At 4:33 PM -0500 12/21/05, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 21 Dec 2005 at 12:51, John Howell wrote:
(Another ornament
no longer used is the "pincée, a kind of vibrato
trill, which had its own sign.)
I've never heard of pincé being considered a form of vibrato -- it's
a form of ornament, similar
Is it a practical idea to link only some elements? Entries, inserted
or deleted portions?
Chuck
On Dec 21, 2005, at 2:12 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Brad Beyenhof [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
In my earlier reply I neglected to mention this, which is a big iss
> -Original Message-
> From: Brad Beyenhof [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> In my earlier reply I neglected to mention this, which is a big issue
> for me as well.
>
The examples Brad and I have given for using an intermediate (and temporary)
copy of the score for part extraction seem to
Dear List,
I have a Kawai K-11 synth that I have connected to my Mac. I am
using a MIDI interface and standard MIDI cables to make the
connection.
The K-11 also has a serial I/F port that is designed to connect the
keyboard to my Mac without having to use a MIDI interface. Instead,
I can
At 11:53 AM 12/21/05 +, Javier Ruiz wrote:
>Is there an standard wide vibrato sign?
Javier,
Except for me, the responses have been about string vibrato. I just assumed
vocal vibrato.
In any case, the standard symbol in Karkoschka is the constant thickness
wavy line. (Since it's been in use f
On 12/21/05, Robert Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > What aspects of layout are fixed by forking the file before you
> > extract parts?
>
> Item #4 (Miscellaneous) may include stuff like moving the titles
> on page 1 (and/or global titles) to match what you want in each
> part. For me, quit
On 12/21/05, David W. Fenton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What aspects of layout are fixed by forking the file before you
> extract parts?
Not layout per se, but certain things like the size of measure numbers
(or measure-expression rehearsal letters/numbers) or the inclusion of
measure number reg
> -Original Message-
>
> What aspects of layout are fixed by forking the file before you
> extract parts?
>
It allows you to edit the score for extraction without affecting your clean
score. These edits are likely to be
1. Preprocessing (e.g., TGTools Smart Explosion).
2. Cues.
3. Head
On 21 Dec 2005 at 12:51, John Howell wrote:
> (Another ornament
> no longer used is the "pincée, a kind of vibrato
> trill, which had its own sign.)
I've never heard of pincé being considered a form of vibrato -- it's
a form of ornament, similar to what we'd call an inverted mordant in
Bach'
If you want brackets, clefs, etc. make a separate system for the Coda. Make
the last system shorter, and start the Coda system over on the right past
the end of the previous system. Make sure Avoid Margin Collisions isn't
checked in the Page Layout menu, and drag or set margins numerically to
bring
On 21 Dec 2005 at 10:54, Brad Beyenhof wrote:
> Actually, Dean, if you haven't done much work on the files since
> extraction I would very much recommend creating a separate Parts score
> as Johannes suggested. I was under the impression that you had already
> done some work on the files individua
On 21 Dec 2005 at 11:11, Chuck Israels wrote:
> . . . it does tire me to read
> criticisms of MM's policies that seem to assume that the people
> running the company are stupid, or don't care about customer support.
> They make mistakes, and I have been irritated by Macsupport
> responses in
On Dec 21, 2005, at 11:37 AM, Fisher, Allen wrote:
Actually, No.
You need to go to the website and fill out the appropriate support
form:
Allen,
If you are talking to anyone over there, let them know this. I already
have.
When I log on, the darned website doesn't remember ANY of my
i
Hello & Holiday greetings,
I am working on some jazz piano charts and I have one which has a two measure
coda at the bottom of the page. Currently I have the measures just before
the coda separated from the coda with a double bar line.
My question: Since many practices which were once common g
John Howell wrote:
At 11:53 AM + 12/21/05, Javier Ruiz wrote:
Hola a todos,
Is there an standard wide vibrato sign?
Speaking as a string player rather than a notation specialist, my answer
would be "no." In fact there is no vibrato sign, period. If you want
something non-standard,
On Dec 21, 2005, at 10:42 AM, Aaron Sherber wrote:
Now, if this were a first step to actually having some kind of bug
database available online, I'd be all for it. But somehow I suspect
this isn't what you're referring to.
Jim Bruce, MM's customer support chief, indicated to me that tha
Andrew Stiller wrote:
Am I the only listmember who actually owns an alto sax?
I certainly hope so!
Or at least the only one that will admit it publicly? (G, D, & R!)
RBH
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Actually, Dean, if you haven't done much work on the files since
extraction I would very much recommend creating a separate Parts score
as Johannes suggested. I was under the impression that you had already
done some work on the files individually and didn't want to have to
re-extract. If this is n
At 11:37 AM 12/21/2005, Fisher, Allen wrote:
>You need to go to the website and fill out the appropriate support form:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/bvwb8
There seems to be no need for tinyurl here; the actual URL is just
http://finalemusic.com/support
Though Allen, if you have any way of passing this
At 11:37 AM 12/21/2005, Fisher, Allen wrote:
>You need to go to the website and fill out the appropriate support form:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/bvwb8
I agree with Phil, that's a bit annoying.
>spam messages that flow through the support addresses, and better track
>what problems folks are having.
Scott,
There may be a way to do this with the tie tool, but when I run into
situations that that doesn't work, for one reason or another, I just
draw the shape as accurately as I can with the slur tool. Not
perfect, by any means, but that's what I do.
Chuck
On Dec 21, 2005, at 10:18 AM
OOPS... I meant to say control-click, not option-click.
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On Dec 21, 2005, at 1:18 PM, Scott Jones wrote:
I've already done that and the tie continu
I've already done that and the tie continues to jump across the
previous repeat bar back into the first ending. the endings were
inserted sing the simple insertion method. (right click 1st ending
measure and tell to insert basic 1st/2nd ending). Option-click on Macs.
By the way, I am in M
Many Thanks.
Dean
On Dec 21, 2005, at 9:05 AM, Brad Beyenhof wrote:
On 12/21/05, Dean M. Estabrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Dec 21, 2005, at 8:35 AM, Brad Beyenhof wrote:
On 12/21/05, Dean M. Estabrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Question: do I have
to do all of these operations in
On 21.12.2005 Williams, Jim wrote:
NS:
What soundcard/driver are you using? This could also be an issue. I
have forgotten if you specified what card/driver you use.
Jim
Mac Built in.
Johannes
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Which (not to particularly pick on MakeMusic, since lots of companies are
now doing that) is EXTREMELY annoying.
How simple would it be to put a SPAM filter on their email?
I suppose a music company doesn't know squat about the Internet.
At 12/21/2005 11:37 AM, Fisher, Allen wrote:
>Actuall
NS:
What soundcard/driver are you using? This could also be an issue. I have
forgotten if you specified what card/driver you use.
Jim
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Johannes Gebauer
Sent: Wed 21-Dec-05 11:59
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] GPO qu
JG,
I will try it when I go home this afternoon on 2006b for Windows.
Right now, life forces me to work ;-(
Jim
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Johannes Gebauer
Sent: Wed 21-Dec-05 11:59
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] GPO question
On 21.12.2005
On 12/21/05, Dean M. Estabrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Dec 21, 2005, at 8:35 AM, Brad Beyenhof wrote:
>> On 12/21/05, Dean M. Estabrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Question: do I have
>>> to do all of these operations individually to each part (file), or is
>>> there a way to do it t
On 21.12.2005 Scott Jones wrote:
Hello all,
I need some help with creating a reverse tie at the beginning of a
2nd ending measure. I know how to enter it (option = on mac) but it
ties to the previous note at the end of the 1st ending and that is
incorrect for the piece of music I am worki
On 21.12.2005 Brad Beyenhof wrote:
>Question: do I have
>> to do all of these operations individually to each part (file), or
is
>> there a way to do it to one and carry the changes across to all the
>> others? Using Mac 2006b.
The easiest way to do this is to use Robert Patterson's Settings
On 21.12.2005 Williams, Jim wrote:
Johannes...
I assume that you are using Full GPO, Guarneri 3?
I just entered runs of 16ths, 32nds, and 64ths in a different
notation program and all is well with playback.
Can you post a .MUS file or a .MID? I can put the .MUS in 2006b and
the .MID in the othe
Thanks Brad. Where does one access the Settings Scrapbook?
Dean
On Dec 21, 2005, at 8:35 AM, Brad Beyenhof wrote:
On 12/21/05, Dean M. Estabrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Question: do I have
to do all of these operations individually to each part (file), or is
there a way to do it to one a
Hello all,
I need some help with creating a reverse tie at the beginning of a
2nd ending measure. I know how to enter it (option = on mac) but it
ties to the previous note at the end of the 1st ending and that is
incorrect for the piece of music I am working on. Does anyone out
there kn
On 12/21/05, Dean M. Estabrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Question: do I have
> to do all of these operations individually to each part (file), or is
> there a way to do it to one and carry the changes across to all the
> others? Using Mac 2006b.
The easiest way to do this is to use Robert Patt
Actually, No.
You need to go to the website and fill out the appropriate support form:
http://tinyurl.com/bvwb8
The big reasons that this was done was to eliminate the thousands of
spam messages that flow through the support addresses, and better track
what problems folks are having.
Allen
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On Dec 20, 2005, at 6:04 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:
Sax players & gurus:
Is there a convenient alternate fingering for the written G above the
staff (concert B flat for Alto Sax)?
Am I the only listmember who actually owns an alto sax? You can get a
nice shading of the normal timbre by add
You can adjust the part settings globally in the score file. See
options > page format > parts
You'll need to re-extract the parts to have the settings affect the parts.
-Carolyn
On 12/21/05, Dean M. Estabrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey Guys:
>
> I'm dealing with a large (28 Stave) band
Hey Guys:
I'm dealing with a large (28 Stave) band score. I've extracted the
parts, and need to edit several things, e.g., reducing the size of
the measure number boxes and their positioning, reducing the
percentage, etc. The score is in a legal size format, but I need the
parts to be in
Hiro, you are our Christmas hiro ... very creative, and a Merry
Christmas to you also.
Dean
On Dec 20, 2005, at 7:53 PM, Crystal Premo wrote:
Here, here. Really wonderful.
Crystal Premo
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: "Fisher, Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu
To:
Subje
Johannes...
I assume that you are using Full GPO, Guarneri 3?
I just entered runs of 16ths, 32nds, and 64ths in a different notation program
and all is well with playback.
Can you post a .MUS file or a .MID? I can put the .MUS in 2006b and the .MID in
the other notation program.
Jim
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Johannes,
I just had the same experience!!!
I think maybe I have found a solution to this, but I will try it again
several more times to see if this really works. Give it a try and tell
me if this works for you:
1. I turned on my synthesizer first, and then opened up Finale and the
specific
For what it is worth, I just reloaded the same file, and now it plays
back without the crash. Weird.
It is possible that the other time my MIDI keyboard wasn't connected,
but this is unlikely...
Johannes
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For some reason some of my mails from last night didn't make it to the
list, sorry if they now get there twice...
On 20.12.2005 Darcy James Argue wrote:
Are the affected notes under a slur? If not, set HP to "Incorporate
Data" (velocity), then try using the MIDI tool to increase the
velocity
Another lost message...
On 20.12.2005 Darcy James Argue wrote:
I forgot to mention -- another thing you can try (assuming the
vanishing notes are not under a slur) is reducing the length
controller (try 33% instead of the default 50%). You can do this
globally in the Kontakt Player, or only
It seems that (perhaps only under certain cricumstances) files with GPO
instruments will crash Finale (Unhandled exception caught) when reopened
and played back. This has been reported by several people on the list.
Does anyone have a workaround to get these files to play back again? I
am gett
At 09:29 AM 12/21/2005, Martin Banner wrote:
>Ok Johannes, so who do we report this to?
The usual place: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aaron.
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Ok Johannes, so who do we report this to?
Martin
On Dec 21, 2005, at 3:39 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Exactly the same problem here! I am sure it is a bug.
Johannes
On 21.12.2005 Martin Banner wrote:
As a clarification, please allow me to record, step by step, the
problem I am having with
At 11:53 AM 12/21/05 +, Javier Ruiz wrote:
>Is there an standard wide vibrato sign?
Karkoschka identifies (from Kagel et al.) a wavy line similar to a trill,
wider, and without the shading ... essentially a waveform shape, with
intensity and speed shown by changes of height and tightness.
Den
On Dec 20, 2005, at 9:34 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
I think the original question was for notation of false fingerings not
harmonics.
Yes, it was, but since the example is not fast (half notes at an up
swing tempo) my solution is workable, though perhaps not exactly the
effect he needs.
Exactly the same problem here! I am sure it is a bug.
Johannes
On 21.12.2005 Martin Banner wrote:
As a clarification, please allow me to record, step by step, the
problem I am having with my newly downloaded FinMac 2006b, with
regards to creating a new file and playback with the Finale loaded
Lawrence David Eden wrote:
What is a "smart line?"
A line from the Smart Tools palette. There are predefined lines or you
can create and use custom lines.
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I just ran into something interesting while editing a file in FinWin2k6b
-- I selected the Mass Edit tool but couldn't select any measures or
staves at all!
The mouse cursor worked fine, I could select different tools, I could
enter notes via the speedy entry tool, but the cursor wouldn't sele
Hola a todos,
Is there an standard wide vibrato sign?
I made myself one but the client says that is too big. Having in mind her
experience with music notation (she uses two tied quarter notes instead of a
half note!) I am tempted to forget her suggestion but maybe I should consult
the oracle firs
What is a "smart line?"
Why not just create a smart line that says "alt fingering" and
extends over the passage? Any jazz player will be familiar with the
technique, but alternate fingerings (like multiphonics) tend to be a
personal thing -- some that work on one horn won't work on anothe
How about:
CTRL-9 changes the pitch from the insertion point to the end of the
measure AND notes of the same pitch entered afterwards in that measure
(until the edit frame moves to another measure)?
Would this help? It would help me!
Tom
Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 08:56 AM 12/16/2005, Ch
This is the only one I know of - Fingering low C - as Christopher
mentions.
It produces a sort of "squark" . It is probably used alternating
between the regular fingering - 3 left hand fingers + octave key.
This web site is quite useful. You can hear a demo.
http://www.petethomas.co.uk/saxop
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