On 15.10.2007 Tyler Turner wrote:
The revamped Simple Entry of 2004 and 2005 was not
intended to mimic Sibelius but rather to blatantly
borrow the things Sibelius was doing right and then go
way past them in coming up with an efficient tool.
Sibelius still maintains an advantage in regional
On 15.10.2007 Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
I will be receiving my copy of Sibelius shortly.
Although you have very different needs from Finale, I woulld really like
to hear how you found the transition, and where you think Sibelius is
better or worse than Finale. Let us know when you have
Lawrence David Eden wrote:
I must be missing something, because I can't get my D.C. al CODA to
playback correctly.
Here is what I want to do:
I want to have Finale (Mac 2K4) play up to bar 105 then go back to bar
1, play to bar 31 then jump to the CODA (bar 106)
It's a fine mess I got
You need to mail in the required manual pages or installation CD or you
need to e-mail your Finale registration number to that person who was
mentioned on this list the other day, and then they send you the
registration number you need. Instructions on what to do will
presumably be sent with
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 14 Oct 2007 at 16:28, Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 03:42 PM 10/14/2007, David W. Fenton wrote:
The point is that Sibelius is not as versatile as Finale in terms of
providing options for music entry. Bad-mouthing Finale doesn't change
the fact that Sibelius is more
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
On Sun, October 14, 2007 11:38 pm, Bruce Clausen wrote:
I should add that I have always been a Simple
Entry Fin user.
I will be receiving my copy of Sibelius shortly.
I am very anxious to hear from any Speedy-only computer keyboard entry
user who has made a
dc wrote:
Johannes Gebauer écrit:
Like David Fenton I also think that I would miss Speedy badly in
Sibelius. It is, imo, one of the very last trumps Finale still has to
make some pro users stay.
Agreed. The idea I have in the back of my head, when I try out Sibelius,
is to continue to enter
On Mon, October 15, 2007 5:12 am, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Although you have very different needs from Finale, I woulld really like
to hear how you found the transition, and where you think Sibelius is
better or worse than Finale. Let us know when you have done some work in
it.
I'll do that,
On Oct 15, 2007, at 7:17 AM, dhbailey wrote:
I don't think MakeMusic would dissolve the Speedy Entry tool were
it the preferred tool of choice for a huge majority of its users,
probably taking its lead from corporate users who purchase large
numbers of site licenses, who may not be
Christopher Smith wrote:
On Oct 15, 2007, at 7:17 AM, dhbailey wrote:
I don't think MakeMusic would dissolve the Speedy Entry tool were it
the preferred tool of choice for a huge majority of its users,
probably taking its lead from corporate users who purchase large
numbers of site
On 15.10.2007 dhbailey wrote:
The recent change in Speedy Entry behavior which now assigns ctrl-3 (top-row)
to zoom factor, depriving us of the deeply-ingrained behavior of defining a
triplet with ctrl-3 (top-row -- it still works with the numpad 3 key but that
was never what I did) made me
At 09:47 AM 10/15/2007, dhbailey wrote:
The recent change in Speedy Entry behavior which now assigns ctrl-3
(top-row) to zoom factor, depriving us of the deeply-ingrained behavior
of defining a triplet with ctrl-3 (top-row -- it still works with the
numpad 3 key but that was never what I did)
On 15.10.2007 Christopher Smith wrote:
I used to tie notes across barlines by entering too large a value, then hitting Move extra notes to next measure. This would be selected by default after the first time, so it would make things fast when dealing with the large number of anticipations that
John Howell wrote:
At 10:20 AM -0700 10/14/07, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
BTW, I have tried to join the Sibelius list, but so far something is
hosed up, so I can't ask this question there ... yet. In finale, I use
the Set Up Wizard a lot, and find it a very efficient way to set a
score and
--- dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Sibelius does allow the computer keyboard selection
on pitches (in a
much easier way than Finale, in my opinion, in that
you hit an A and the
closest A appears on the staff, B gives the nearest
B, etc, rather than
having to use A S D F G H J for
At 08:10 AM 10/15/2007, Christopher Smith wrote:
I sent a panicked message to MakeMusic when the rumour first started
circulating that Speedy was to be eliminated in favour of Simple.
According to the response I received, what they are thinking of is
COMBINING the two tools, with the
At 11:38 PM 10/14/2007, Bruce Clausen wrote:
One can nudge almost anything in Sib with up/down simply by
clicking to select and then moving (slurs, barlines, notes, expressions,
accidentals, etc.); Fin forces one to select menus and drag handles, which
often obscure the object being edited and
I've been bitching about the lack of a Cancel button in the 'Too Many
Beats... dialog box for years, to absolutely no avail. The
response I last got from some dim-bulb tech support dweeb was they no
longer felt it was consistent or necessary with the GUI. WHAT???
I scream every time I
dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Follow that link if you're interested in investigating Sibelius. The
competitive upgrade has never been cheaper.
I have no idea if there is a geographical limitation for this offer or not.
It tells you in the small print further down: N., Central and S.
Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm interested in investigating Sibelius, but I totally disagree with their
commercial policy. The price in Europe is over 3 times what it is in North
and South America (or over 4 times the latest price mentioned: the
equivalent of over 340 USD). Sibelius won't
Hmmm ... mine still defines a triplet with those key strokes, but I'm
still on 2007 ...
Dean
On Oct 15, 2007, at 7:04 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
On 15.10.2007 dhbailey wrote:
The recent change in Speedy Entry behavior which now assigns
ctrl-3 (top-row) to zoom factor, depriving us of the
Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
Hmmm ... mine still defines a triplet with those key strokes, but I'm
still on 2007 ...
That's right -- it was changed in Fin2008.
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For me, the hassle of moving things around is only really evident
when working in different layers ... then it becomes pretty time
consuming.
Dean
On Oct 15, 2007, at 4:42 AM, Aaron Sherber wrote:
Since the Selection Tool was introduced in Finale a few versions
back, you can nudge
Lord, I'm glad I didn't upgrade!
Dean
On Oct 15, 2007, at 10:06 AM, dhbailey wrote:
Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
Hmmm ... mine still defines a triplet with those key strokes, but
I'm still on 2007 ...
That's right -- it was changed in Fin2008.
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Gracias, I couldn't believe that, in this technological environment,
that the whole process could not be completed on line.
Dean
On Oct 15, 2007, at 3:43 AM, dhbailey wrote:
You need to mail in the required manual pages or installation CD or
you need to e-mail your Finale registration
Does Sibelius have a decent group of tutorials via which one may
learn said techniques?
Dean
On Oct 15, 2007, at 4:27 AM, dhbailey wrote:
Sibelius does allow the computer keyboard selection on pitches (in
a much easier way than Finale, in my opinion, in that you hit an A
and the
Thanks to whomever made the audiomidi price known to us. I just picked it up.
Can not go wrong at $80. Personally I am not really ready to changeover to
Sibelius yet, I'm rather committed at the moment to learning Finale. But at
least now I have the option.
-Original Message-
Steve Schow wrote:
Thanks to whomever made the audiomidi price known to us. I just picked it up.
Can not go wrong at $80. Personally I am not really ready to changeover to
Sibelius yet, I'm rather committed at the moment to learning Finale. But at
least now I have the option.
You're
Do they have a better guitar sound?
George Ports
- Original Message -
From: dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 5:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users
Richard Smith wrote:
Sibelius 5 comes with about 3GB of samples called
it was David Bailey--EXCELLENT, David:)
Bob Morabito
On Oct 14, 2007, at 4:44 PM, Steve Schow wrote:
Thanks to whomever made the audiomidi price known to us. I just
picked it up. Can not go wrong at $80. Personally I am not really
ready to changeover to Sibelius yet, I'm rather
Hi Tyler,
If MM implemented this, it would make it possible for me to consider
making use of Simple Entry's advantages. Pitch first is a
requirement for my way of thinking/working. Adding those advantages
to Speedy would be even better for me.
Chuck
On Oct 15, 2007, at 8:43 AM, Tyler
Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
BTW, I have tried to join the Sibelius list, but so far something is
hosed up, so I can't ask this question there ... yet. In finale, I use
the Set Up Wizard a lot, and find it a very efficient way to set a score
and assign instruments. When I get my sib 5, is there an
George Ports wrote:
Do they have a better guitar sound?
George Ports
I couldn't really say, because what one person's better guitar sound
is may well be another person's horrible guitar sound.
And I don't write music for guitars so I haven't really compared them.
The samples taken from
Re Speedy vs. Simple and Sibelius:
When I started usin Finale (FinWin 97), I had a new computer with a
temporary midi conflict from two sound cards. As a result, I couldn't
use Speedy for a while and had to use Simple for a few weeks. That did
give a benefit of becoming proficient with all
I get this a lot, also. I just let it do it's dirty work, then hit
Ctrl_Z to undo it. (sigh).
RBH
ThomaStudios wrote:
I've been bitching about the lack of a Cancel button in the 'Too Many
Beats... dialog box for years, to absolutely no avail. The response
I last got from some dim-bulb
Seems to me that a rat leaving a sinking ship is an intelligent rat.
Dean
On Oct 15, 2007, at 11:49 AM, Ray Horton wrote:
Re Speedy vs. Simple and Sibelius:
When I started usin Finale (FinWin 97), I had a new computer with a
temporary midi conflict from two sound cards. As a result, I
Ray Horton wrote:
Re Speedy vs. Simple and Sibelius:
When I started usin Finale (FinWin 97), I had a new computer with a
temporary midi conflict from two sound cards. As a result, I couldn't
use Speedy for a while and had to use Simple for a few weeks. That did
give a benefit of becoming
On Mon, October 15, 2007 3:21 pm, dhbailey wrote:
The one control which Sibelius
lacks that Finale has is the ability to use the up/down cursor keys to
place the pitch.
Ack! That's the only method of entry I use in Finale! Wuncha know...
Dennis
--- dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Tyler Turner wrote:
[snip]
In Finale, if you make a mistake and enter the
wrong
duration for a note, you can use a single
keystroke to
fix it (alt-number - so alt-4 converts last note
into
eighth note). You don't have to arrow back to the
note
I'd hope a rat with paws inquisitively on both ship and lifeboat might display
the best instinctual wisdom for self-survival.
After all: I'm merely curious to see if the Roquefort is truly greener on the
other side.
Best,
Les
Les Marsden
Founding Music Director and Conductor,
The
dhbailey wrote:
Ray Horton wrote:
Re Speedy vs. Simple and Sibelius:
...
So far on the list the welcome to us on that list has been less than
tremendous: 'Switch to Sibelius - simple entry is far better
because it's the only one we have' (On this I agree 100% with David
Fenton.) And we
Isnt this a finale list?
Not a Sibelius promotion. I think it is enough Sib talk know. Please use an
other fourm for Your Sib talk
Thanks
Christer W
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$On 15 Oct 2007 at 15:21, dhbailey wrote:
Any combination of computer keyboard, mouse and midi-keyboard is
possible in Sibelius, just as in Finale. The one control which Sibelius
lacks that Finale has is the ability to use the up/down cursor keys to
place the pitch. And if that's a
Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 03:21 PM 10/15/2007, dhbailey wrote:
possible in Sibelius, just as in Finale. The one control which Sibelius
lacks that Finale has is the ability to use the up/down cursor keys to
place the pitch.
That's not true. Sibelius lacks an equivalent to Finale's Speedy
On 15 Oct 2007 at 16:03, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
On 15.10.2007 Christopher Smith wrote:
I used to tie notes across barlines by entering too large a value, then
hitting Move extra notes to next measure. This would be selected by
default after the first time, so it would make things fast
Absolutely NOT!This has been one of the most relevant discussions I've ever
experienced in my five+ years on this list.The thread is of great interest
to me, and judging from the variety of responses, I'd have to guess I'm not
alone.
Let the debate continue; delete if you're not
Tyler Turner wrote:
--- dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Tyler Turner wrote:
[snip]
In Finale, if you make a mistake and enter the
wrong
duration for a note, you can use a single
keystroke to
fix it (alt-number - so alt-4 converts last note
into
eighth note). You don't have to arrow
Maybe if MakeMusic had an official presence here, or perhaps got off
it's ass and issued an update to 2007 or 2008 that addresses some of the
bug complaints and what not, we wouldn't be having all this discussion
about Sibelius.
At least Sibelius seems to actively engage its
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe if MakeMusic had an official presence here, or perhaps got off
it's ass and issued an update to 2007 or 2008 that addresses some of the
bug complaints and what not, we wouldn't be having all this discussion
about Sibelius.
Ouch ! ;)
Kim
On 15-Oct-07, at 4:29 PM, Christer Wallstrom wrote:
Isnt this a finale list?
Not a Sibelius promotion. I think it is enough Sib talk know.
Please use an
other fourm for Your Sib talk
I haven't seen your name posting here before (I may be wrong) but one
thing you should know about this
Well, isn't it the truth? ;-)
Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe if MakeMusic had an official presence here, or perhaps got off
it's ass and issued an update to 2007 or 2008 that addresses some of the
bug complaints and what not, we wouldn't be having all this discussion
Mariposa Symphony Orchestra wrote:
I'd hope a rat with paws inquisitively on both ship and lifeboat might display the best instinctual wisdom for self-survival.
After all: I'm merely curious to see if the Roquefort is truly greener on the
other side.
It's not necessarily greener, I'd
In a message dated 10/15/07 4:24:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
(who just ordered the cross-grade to Sibelius as well, since the
price was so good. One of the features of Sibelius that I am looking
forward to is the one where you copy a line to another staff, then
hit successive notes
Christer Wallstrom wrote:
Isnt this a finale list?
Not a Sibelius promotion. I think it is enough Sib talk know. Please use an
other fourm for Your Sib talk
Actually it's a list for users of Finale (which all of us are) on which
we are encouraged to discuss not only the program of Finale, but
Ya know what ... you are correct. I had forgotten about that feature.
Thanks for reminding me.
Dean
On Oct 15, 2007, at 12:43 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:
On 15-Oct-07, at 1:12 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
For me, the hassle of moving things around is only really evident
when working in
This little contention reminds me to aver; when making a post on the
Sib list, one has to wait quite a while for approval before it's
published. Not do here ... the fin list almost exists in real time.
Very handy for quick solutions, if one they are in fact coming
(almost always they are,
Is this not the fonction of repitch tool (Finale)?
Le 07-10-15 à 17:19, Christopher Smith a écrit :
(who just ordered the cross-grade to Sibelius as well, since the
price was so good. One of the features of Sibelius that I am
looking forward to is the one where you copy a line to another
I think that is where a lot of us are right now, both in the ship and
the life boat.
dhbailey wrote:
So this rat is firmly keeping his feet firmly planted on both ship and
life-boat and hoping against hope that I don't fall into the water as
the boats drift apart. But I have my
It might be a better idea to have a switchers or dual users list, one
where people who are familiar with both and use both can discuss and
what not
Henry E. Howey wrote:
I should say up front that I own Sibelius and have for almost ten years.
My main work involves editions of old music that
I just successfully created a rhythm section for a lead sheet using the
MiBac rhythm generator plugin. However, even though I selected Notation
with Percussion Map, it is notated wrong, as the notes are written 2
octaves too low and doesn't look like a drum set part. How can I fix this
so that I
On 15 Oct 2007 at 15:13, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
It might be a better idea to have a switchers or dual users list, one
where people who are familiar with both and use both can discuss and
what not
I want the discussion to continue here, on the Finale list, because
the topic *is* Finale, or
Matthew Hindson fastmail account wrote:
Aaron Sherber wrote:
2. I find it much more intuitive to select pitch first and then
duration (Speedy) rather than duration first and then pitch (Simple).
This is how we think when we write music by hand; the pen moves to
the appropriate place on the
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 14 Oct 2007 at 7:59, Richard Smith wrote:
Sorry. Try this one.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sibelius-list/message/33713.
Sorry, but for a thread to begin with this:
Sibelius' keyboard entry routines are what Finale has been
trying
to copy for
Take a deep breath.
You will have to edit the percussion map, which determines how notes
that play back on low C actually show up as somewhere else and with
different noteheads on the staff.
This is a very long explanation, so look it up under Percussion Map.
Just remember to click the
On 15-Oct-07, at 6:42 PM, Matthew Hindson fastmail account wrote:
(On a side note, there are some aggro types on the Sibelius chat site!
I had to look up that word! 8-)
I thought at first that it was Aussie slang. Apparently it comes from
online game playing, where either all the players
Thanks to all for the overwhelming response to my question about users
skipping the current upgrade or switching products. Most surprising was
the fact that no one on the list has stepped up and indicated that he or
she has either upgraded and been satisfied with the upgrade or has the
At 07:11 AM 10/15/2007, dhbailey wrote:
Finale has acknowledged that it is getting rid of the Speedy Entry tool,
incorporating aspects of it into other tools.
I don't believe this is true. Christopher Smith said that an MM
employee told him that they are thinking of combining the two tools,
So it is!
And thanks to John Blane as well for the same observation.
Although, it doesn't respect ties (Sibelius will change both tied
notes at once) but it DOES skip rests properly.
This is a real find. Thanks so much to both of you.
Christopher
On 15-Oct-07, at 5:29 PM, Odile Gruet
I recall at least one person who said that he had upgraded to Fin2008
and was very happy with it. (Or did he say 'content' with it?)
At least there was one (and possibly another) over the past 3 weeks or
so that have said they're using it quite well.
David H. Bailey
Daniel Wolf wrote:
Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 07:11 AM 10/15/2007, dhbailey wrote:
Finale has acknowledged that it is getting rid of the Speedy Entry
tool, incorporating aspects of it into other tools.
I don't believe this is true. Christopher Smith said that an MM
employee told him that they are thinking of
aha
Dean
On Oct 15, 2007, at 3:47 PM, dhbailey wrote:
Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
This little contention reminds me to aver; when making a post on
the Sib list, one has to wait quite a while for approval before
it's published. Not do here ... the fin list almost exists in real
time. Very
I am having _very cautious_ success with 08, because a couple of -very
serious- bugs I (and almost no one else, bugs which were serious enough
to keep me from using 07 at all) had with 07 , have been fixed in 08. I
am just starting into some serious 08 use, and there are so many GUI
changes
On 14.10.2007 Richard Smith wrote:
Sorry. Try this one.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sibelius-list/message/33713.
Thanks.
I have a question: Does Sibelius have something similar to Engraver slurs?
Johannes
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David Bailey said:
I recall at least one person who said that he had upgraded to Fin2008 and was
very happy with it. (Or did he say 'content' with it?)
At least there was one (and possibly another) over the past 3 weeks or so that
have said they're using it quite well.
And so Les responds:
At 07:27 AM 10/15/2007, dhbailey wrote:
Sibelius does allow the computer keyboard selection on pitches (in a
much easier way than Finale, in my opinion, in that you hit an A and the
closest A appears on the staff, B gives the nearest B, etc,
Isn't that exactly how the current Simple works?
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