John Howell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hmmm. Those of us using laptops don't have Page Up/Down keys, but
we do have one additional key that my add-on full keyboard does not
have, an "fn" key ("Function"?), which when held down lets us move
one page at a time (depending on the zoom in effect) j
On 29 Nov 2007 at 12:55, John Howell wrote:
> At 11:10 PM -0500 11/28/07, David W. Fenton wrote:
> >
> >Using PageUp/Down for anything but moving from one page to the other
> >seems to me to make little sense at all.
>
> Hmmm. Those of us using laptops don't have Page Up/Down keys, but we
> do
On 29 Nov 2007 at 12:19, Jari Williamsson wrote:
> Both MM and Sibelius use their own (undocumented) file formats, and with
> absolutely no interest that work should be sharable. (The MusicXML support
> for both programs is maintained and provided by Recordare, not by the
> companies themselves.)
On 29 Nov 2007 at 10:40, Jari Williamsson wrote:
> Microsoft (and even Apple to some extent) for
> example, built a whole empire on customer arrogance.
I can't address Apple, but Microsoft built its empire on customer and
developer responsiveness. It's only in the last decade that MS has
becom
At 1:38 PM -0500 11/29/07, Darcy James Argue wrote:
John,
Take a look at the arrow keys on your MacBook Pro. In addition to
the directional arrows, they have words printed on them. Words like
"home," "end," and "page." Those alternate functions are enabled by
the fn key. Same deal with the li
John,
Take a look at the arrow keys on your MacBook Pro. In addition to the
directional arrows, they have words printed on them. Words like
"home," "end," and "page." Those alternate functions are enabled by
the fn key. Same deal with the little numbers printed on the U, I, O,
etc. keys -
On 29-Nov-07, at 12:55 PM, John Howell wrote:
At 11:10 PM -0500 11/28/07, David W. Fenton wrote:
Using PageUp/Down for anything but moving from one page to the other
seems to me to make little sense at all.
Hmmm. Those of us using laptops don't have Page Up/Down keys, but
we do have one
At 11:10 PM -0500 11/28/07, David W. Fenton wrote:
Using PageUp/Down for anything but moving from one page to the other
seems to me to make little sense at all.
Hmmm. Those of us using laptops don't have Page Up/Down keys, but we
do have one additional key that my add-on full keyboard does n
The navigation tools can be re-mapped. However, I would first want to
get acquainted with Sibelius' defaults. They are quite good and
remapping might result in the loss of other good keyboard features.
Remapped shortcuts can also be saved to a personalized set so the
defaults are not changed an
dhbailey wrote:
Corporate arrogance only works when one truly has a monopoly marketplace.
And thank goodness, that no longer is the case with notation software.
In one sense, both MM and Sibelius acts as monopolists, to an even
higher degree than both Microsoft and Apple.
Both MM and Sibel
Jari Williamsson wrote:
David W. Fenton wrote:
Most companies, no matter how large or small, have a policy of
responding to any complaints that go directly to the CEO. A client of
mine was very unhappy with the support they got for their Dell laptop
and I told her to write to Michael Dell. She
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 28 Nov 2007 at 19:41, Jari Williamsson wrote:
Again, how is this different than for, let's say, 7 years ago?
Because 7 years ago Sibelius wasn't at feature parity with Finale --
it wasn't even close (was it even ported to Windows yet?). Now,
Sibelius is, arguably,
David W. Fenton wrote:
Most companies, no matter how large or small, have a policy of
responding to any complaints that go directly to the CEO. A client of
mine was very unhappy with the support they got for their Dell laptop
and I told her to write to Michael Dell. She did, using actual paper
In a message dated 11/28/2007 8:54:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> What I'd really like is a notation program that had intelligent
> navigation around the page, say, Ctrl-Down/Up would take you the
> next/previous system.
Would seem to be doable. Once "system" is a kno
On 28 Nov 2007 at 22:32, Richard Smith wrote:
> Don't know. I haven't tried that. You can re-map a lot of things but that
> strikes me as one that might not work. I'll play a little and let you know
> what I find. I agree it seems a little unusual but remember that if the
> zoom is set for page wi
Don't know. I haven't tried that. You can re-map a lot of things but
that strikes me as one that might not work. I'll play a little and let
you know what I find. I agree it seems a little unusual but remember
that if the zoom is set for page width the entire length of the page
won't be displaye
On 28 Nov 2007 at 17:24, Richard Smith wrote:
> With apologies for answering Sibelius questions on the Finale list, just
> set the page view to page width (or so). Then "home" will go to the
> previous page, "end" to the next page, while adding shift will go to the
> first and last pages respec
With apologies for answering Sibelius questions on the Finale list, just
set the page view to page width (or so). Then "home" will go to the
previous page, "end" to the next page, while adding shift will go to the
first and last pages respectively. The page up and page down keys should
get you
At 12:06 PM -0800 11/28/07, ThomaStudios wrote:
While I would generally agree with this, I've been learning Sibelius
for the past 5 weeks or so, having jumped on their cross-grade sale
back in October. And while I always have worked initially in Finale
using scroll view, I haven't as yet even
While I would generally agree with this, I've been learning Sibelius
for the past 5 weeks or so, having jumped on their cross-grade sale
back in October. And while I always have worked initially in Finale
using scroll view, I haven't as yet even tried it in Sibelius. And
to be honest, I'm
Well, I think Sibelius is now very, very close to being an easy switch
for an experienced Finale user. Now that they have a scroll view was
really the last glaring defect in getting stuff done in Sibelius in my
view. I don't know how people worked or work in that silly pageview mode
they have.
On 28 Nov 2007 at 17:18, Jari Williamsson wrote:
> And I still don't understand why contacting (and get a response from)
> the CEO is crucial.
Most companies, no matter how large or small, have a policy of
responding to any complaints that go directly to the CEO. A client of
mine was very unh
On 28 Nov 2007 at 19:41, Jari Williamsson wrote:
> Eric Dannewitz wrote:
>
> > I think the general frustration level with MakeMusic has reached a head
> > for a lot of people, causing some to switch to Sibelius, and some to
> > refuse to upgrade to the latest version.
>
> Again, how is this d
Jari Williamsson wrote:
And I still don't understand why contacting (and get a response from)
the CEO is crucial. From the CEO's POV, MM as a company would survive
without Finale. IMO, it would be much better to contact the manager for
the notation products.
[snip]
I'm not so sure about tha
Jari Williamsson wrote:
Eric Dannewitz wrote:
I think the general frustration level with MakeMusic has reached a
head for a lot of people, causing some to switch to Sibelius, and some
to refuse to upgrade to the latest version.
Again, how is this different than for, let's say, 7 years ago?
Eric Dannewitz wrote:
I think the general frustration level with MakeMusic has reached a head
for a lot of people, causing some to switch to Sibelius, and some to
refuse to upgrade to the latest version.
Again, how is this different than for, let's say, 7 years ago?
Best regards,
Jari Wil
On Wed, November 28, 2007 11:18 am, Jari Williamsson wrote:
> And I still don't understand why contacting (and get a response from)
> the CEO is crucial. From the CEO's POV, MM as a company would survive
> without Finale. IMO, it would be much better to contact the manager for
> the notation produc
Sometimes contacting the CEO gets you results. Contacting Steve Jobs of
Apple has resulted, sometimes, in people getting products replaced
overnight. There are a lot of documented cases of this.
I think the general frustration level with MakeMusic has reached a head
for a lot of people, causin
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
They can say anything to the CEO,
too. But getting the attention of top-level officers to the overall
problem of a company that is losing long-term customers because of a
defective product -- that can matter. Those top-level folks are the only
people who can act.
How
On Tue, November 27, 2007 10:42 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
> I'd write Jim Bruce - head of customer support.
It's not customer support that matters; they can say anything in an
attempt to placate restless customers. They can say anything to the CEO,
too. But getting the attention of top-level office
I'd write Jim Bruce - head of customer support.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
It's his job to be responsive.
BTW, the file finally gave in to the spinning beach ball of death,
but I have a (badly formatted, but legible) pdf made just before the
ultimate crash, and I am going to assign the student who f
On Tue, November 27, 2007 7:56 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> There's another factor at work here: in all matters that could conceivably
> be
> construed as being conflictual in some way, no matter how tangentially,
> now
> or at some point in the infinite future, *all* attorneys will always tell
>
In a message dated 11/27/2007 2:38:36 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> On Tue, November 27, 2007 2:29 pm, Jari Williamsson wrote:
> >Just curious: how can you tell that it was ignored?
>
> No answer at all after seven weeks, for starters.
>
> None of the remarks visibly add
On Tue, November 27, 2007 2:29 pm, Jari Williamsson wrote:
> Just curious: how can you tell that it was ignored?
No answer at all after seven weeks, for starters.
None of the remarks visibly addressed, including putting an active Finale
person on this list.
But not answering a letter addressed t
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
Speaking of bugs, my lovely letter on lovely bond paper with a lovely
stamp and lovely envelope to the CEO of MakeMusic on October 6th was met
with the exact reaction predicted on this list: It was completely ignored.
Just curious: how can you tell that it was ignor
On Tue, November 27, 2007 6:55 am, Christopher Smith wrote:
> Dennis B.K. had another post on the subject that I thought I kept,
> but I can't find it. He had a intermediate step that saved some
> material and seemed more secure, but it is lost now. Dennis?
I have used several desperate measures o
On Nov 27, 2007, at 12:24 AM, Chuck Israels wrote:
Hello all,
I seem to remember that there was some advice (maybe from
Chistopher) about dealing with corrupted files. I am working on a
piece that has been entered into one of my templates (template OK
to start with) from another person'
Hello all,
I seem to remember that there was some advice (maybe from Chistopher)
about dealing with corrupted files. I am working on a piece that has
been entered into one of my templates (template OK to start with)
from another person's computer. There was file corruption evident in
th
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