From a guy who has spent 30 years directing marching bands: Ya gotta
be kiddin'!!
RGS
Richard Yates wrote:
FORTY part choral piece ...? My curiosity is piqued ... what is it?
Presumably the famous (and very good) "Spem in alium nunquam
habui" of Thomas Tallis. I'm not sure how you c
>> FORTY part choral piece ...? My curiosity is piqued ... what is it?
>
>Presumably the famous (and very good) "Spem in alium nunquam
>habui" of Thomas Tallis. I'm not sure how you could transcribe
>it for band without losing the stereo effects that make a big
>part of its effect. Andrew Stil
Without revealing too much, I'm thinking in of breaking the band into 8
choirs with semi-antiphonal seating around the stage and front of the
hall as well as a good deal of pitched percussion (including handbells)
to vary the sound of each choir. Like I said, I'm planning but have no
group to p
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On Aug 4, 2008, at 2:21 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
FORTY part
On Aug 4, 2008, at 2:21 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
FORTY part choral piece ...? My curiosity is piqued ... what is it?
Presumably the famous (and very good) "Spem in alium nunquam habui" of
Thomas Tallis. I'm not sure how you could transcribe it for band
without losing the stereo effects
Alessandro Striggio work for forty voices, but last movement is for 60
voices (recently discovered work by Renaissance composer)
Martin
On 8/4/08, Dean M. Estabrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can you imagine rehearsing that piece, and giving out instructions such as,
> "Let me hear a little
Ah yes, the infamous "Spam and aluminum!" Thank you ... what a pain
to set something and not have a viable performance.
Dean
On Aug 4, 2008, at 12:19 PM, Richard Smith wrote:
Spem in Alium (Tallis) is the correct answer. But I say planned
because it's not progressing much and I don't have
Can you imagine rehearsing that piece, and giving out instructions
such as, "Let me hear a little more of the 28th alto part in bar
44." I'm sure it would be a very clean performance ...:)
Dean
On Aug 4, 2008, at 11:52 AM, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
Recently a bigger motet was discovered, I
Well, I'm not sure it's too far a journey from the original topic. I
think those involved in music preparation need to be thinking about the
practical realities of rehearsal and performance. In my experience as
both a horn player and a conductor, much music is prepared without
considering the p
Spem in Alium (Tallis) is the correct answer. But I say planned because
it's not progressing much and I don't have anyone to play it anyway.
Richard Smith
John Howell wrote:
There's only one that I know of, but I'm blanking on the composer.
(Tallis? English, at least, and composed for eight
Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
FORTY part choral piece ...? My curiosity is piqued ... what is it?
Can't remember the title, wasn't it by Thomas Tallis?
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Recently a bigger motet was discovered, I believe for 60 parts, it was
miscatalogued in the French National Library.
A fascinating article in "Early Music America" detailed the
fascinating rediscovery of this piece.
Thanks
Kim
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There's only one that I know of, but I'm blanking on the composer.
(Tallis? English, at least, and composed for eight 5-part choirs to
be performed in a specific octagonal building. Acoustic surround
sound!) I've never studied it, since I've never had the forces to
attempt doing it! I do un
I'm guessing he's talking about
Thomas Tallis 'Spem in Alium'
On Aug 4, 2008, at 1:21 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
FORTY part choral piece ...? My curiosity is piqued ... what is it?
Dean
On Aug 4, 2008, at 10:34 AM, Richard Smith wrote:
(snip)
wind band transcription of a 40 part choral p
I'm guessing, Spem in alium nunquam habui, by Thomas Tallis, written
for eight 5-part antiphonal choirs? I played a brass version of this
when I was in university.
Christopher
On Aug 4, 2008, at 2:21 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
FORTY part choral piece ...? My curiosity is piqued ... wha
FORTY part choral piece ...? My curiosity is piqued ... what is it?
Dean
On Aug 4, 2008, at 10:34 AM, Richard Smith wrote:
(snip)
wind band transcription of a 40 part choral piece,
Richard Smith
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Dean M. E
Yeah, me too, if the front and back of the score is made of stiffer
(e.g., card stock) so the top doesn't flop over the edge of the
Manhasset. Now the only issue is attempting to see the score through
one of the options in my tri-focal lenses ... but that's another
whole problem you youngs
Hi Aaron,
I was thinking in concert. In rehearsal, I use a second stand for
rehearsal notes and schedule, but I have it off to my right (less
distracting that way), not flush with the music.
Cheers,
- Darcy
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On 4 Aug 2008, at 1:57 PM, Aaron Sherber wro
At 01:43 PM 8/4/2008, Darcy James Argue wrote:
>
>On 4 Aug 2008, at 12:58 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote:
>
>> But in a pinch, an 11x14 score will fit adequately on two regular
>> stands put side by side
>
>11x14 scores fit just fine on a single regular Manhasset stand! I
>never need two stands.
Okay,
On 4 Aug 2008, at 12:58 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote:
But in a pinch, an 11x14 score will fit adequately on two regular
stands put side by side
11x14 scores fit just fine on a single regular Manhasset stand! I
never need two stands.
Cheers,
- Darcy
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No I mean 11x14". Like I said, it's not a standard print size (although
I have seen music printed in that size) but it is a standard photograph
size. And could easily be produced at any local copy shop or from a wide
format printer.
For those that don't know, photographers and printers speak o
At 12:41 PM 8/4/2008, John Howell wrote:
>Hi, Richard. Do you mean legal size? 8.5" x 14"? A double spread
>in that case would be 14" x 17", not 11" x 14". Or maybe I'm just
>confused.
I think Richard is talking about an 11x14 page size, not spread size.
This is what I use for most of my lar
On Aug 4, 2008, at 12:41 PM, John Howell wrote:
At 11:20 PM -0500 8/3/08, Richard Smith wrote:
Just a comment on larger scores. I find a 17" score too long to
handle easily in rehearsal. It hangs over the end of the stand and
sort of "droops" causing the pages to be difficult to turn.
Cle
No, John, he means letter size. The aspect ratio of a 8.5"x11" sheet
is very similar to the aspect ratio of a 11"x14" sheet, which makes it
possible to format for the larger size, but print a "study score" at
the smaller size when necessary, using "fit to page." I often do this
for grant ap
At 11:20 PM -0500 8/3/08, Richard Smith wrote:
Just a comment on larger scores. I find a 17" score too long to
handle easily in rehearsal. It hangs over the end of the stand and
sort of "droops" causing the pages to be difficult to turn.
Clearly some scores really need the extra length, but I
Just a comment on larger scores. I find a 17" score too long to handle
easily in rehearsal. It hangs over the end of the stand and sort of
"droops" causing the pages to be difficult to turn.
Clearly some scores really need the extra length, but I find 11x14 a
very good option for a larger scor
On Aug 3, 2008, at 5:34 PM, Lee Actor wrote:
I bind my 17" scores with a 14" binding, but I have it flush against
the bottom of the score and leave the 3" without a binding free at
the top. Any place will do it (but they don't have to in my case now
that I have the Akiles coil binder! Thanks NP
> I bind my 17" scores with a 14" binding, but I have it flush against
> the bottom of the score and leave the 3" without a binding free at
> the top. Any place will do it (but they don't have to in my case now
> that I have the Akiles coil binder! Thanks NPC Imaging!) and it is
> very convenient.
On Jul 31, 2008, at 7:52 PM, Blake Richardson wrote:
I recently came across the complete handwritten manuscript scores
to the
films ALIEN and ALIENS at the Library of Congress, and in my spare
time I'm
transcribing them into Finale (they not surprisingly won't let you
photocopy
them) wi
From: John Howell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:49:10 -0400
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> Are we really talking about "donation" here, or plain and simple
> deposit with LC as part of the copyright process? And are the
> c
>
> From: John Howell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> It's entirely possible that the chains--especially Kinko's--would
>>> refuse to handle it because it is copyrighted music. You did realize
>>> that it is copyrighted, right? And that your copying it without
>>> permission is an infringement?
>>>
Rob Deemer wrote:
I agree with the other postings - Kinko's is a ripoff and they'll probably
bind it wrong in any case. My guess is those scores are going to be pretty
thick (as each page would only have 4-6 measures), so they'd have to punch
'em in several passes which only increases the chances
At 2:53 PM -0400 8/1/08, Blake Richardson wrote:
From: John Howell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
It's entirely possible that the chains--especially Kinko's--would
refuse to handle it because it is copyrighted music. You did realize
that it is copyrighted, right? And that your copying it without
per
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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 10:38:21 -0400
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> My guess is those scores are going to be pretty
> thick (as each page would only have 4-6 measures)
Actually I tend to get more measures per pa
From: John Howell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:14:24 -0400
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> It's entirely possible that the chains--especially Kinko's--would
> refuse to handle it because it is copyrighted music. You di
I agree with the other postings - Kinko's is a ripoff and they'll probably
bind it wrong in any case. My guess is those scores are going to be pretty
thick (as each page would only have 4-6 measures), so they'd have to punch
'em in several passes which only increases the chances of a screw-up.
Seve
cover, and there's page 36, and the entire thing went
backwards.
Believe it!!
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They ca
That's a viable solution David, provided you're lucky enough to find a
Mom & Pop type outfit. I was never that lucky here in the Portland OR
area. All the binderies I contacted gave me the same song and dance:
we can't really take time away from our current contractual runs to
bind a mea
J D Thomas wrote:
The problem that can occur when taking a small job to a print shop is
that you are almost always completing with 'big runs' they already have
set up. I had this same issue a few years back whenever I needed an 11
x17 score bound. I always only had 2 or 3 and when I did find
Blake Richardson wrote:
I recently came across the complete handwritten manuscript scores to the
films ALIEN and ALIENS at the Library of Congress, and in my spare time I'm
transcribing them into Finale (they not surprisingly won't let you photocopy
them) with the goal of printing them out and bi
I went a couple of times to a weird little sweatshop where they did
big printing/binding jobs. I was there because they were listed on the
Plasticoil website as a dealer. A dozen middle-aged women of dubious
immigration status were squinting over piles of books that they were
preparing in a dim and
The problem that can occur when taking a small job to a print shop is
that you are almost always completing with 'big runs' they already
have set up. I had this same issue a few years back whenever I needed
an 11 x17 score bound. I always only had 2 or 3 and when I did find a
print shop t
At 9:05 PM -0500 7/31/08, Robert Patterson wrote:
If cost is not a concern, you can get a bookbinder to make a beautiful
hardcover book from your loose-leaf sheets. Bookbinders get most of
their business from lawyers and libraries, so check with one of those
to find a bookbinder. The last time I
If cost is not a concern, you can get a bookbinder to make a beautiful
hardcover book from your loose-leaf sheets. Bookbinders get most of
their business from lawyers and libraries, so check with one of those
to find a bookbinder. The last time I had one done it cost about $50,
but that was some ti
They can also put in two 11" combs and trim the extra. But you might
have better luck with this at a proper (non-chain) print shop. Kinkos
and Staples are almost uniformly awful.
Cheers,
- Darcy
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On 31 Jul 2008, at 9:09 PM, Carolyn Bremer wrote:
See if
See if you can find an employee at one of those locations that can
help you. It is easy to put a 14" comb in the middle of the 17" side.
They'll need to remove the piece that left-aligns the paper in the
binder so they can get to the middle, but that's really all it takes.
Well, that and an employe
I don't suppose printing in landscape format would work. That would
let you bind the 11-inch side. Or you might bind the top edge and make
a flip score. Or is it I that's being flip? Seriously, talk to a local
bookbinder or commercial printer. It'll cost, but they can probably do
the job.
Horace
I recently came across the complete handwritten manuscript scores to the
films ALIEN and ALIENS at the Library of Congress, and in my spare time I'm
transcribing them into Finale (they not surprisingly won't let you photocopy
them) with the goal of printing them out and binding them to add to my
c
On Aug 20, 2005, at 3:38 PM, Dalvin Boone wrote:
I would like to get some advice on binding a 16 page full score
printed on
11" X 17" paper. I had assumed that a local copy store or Staples
store
could bind it with plastic comb or plastic wire coil, but none of the
local
stores (Terre Haute
On Aug 21, 2005, at 5:42 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Not sure I know what you mean by "any kind of bind score". Combs
are noisy, plastic combs are _very noisy_, metal coils are very
silent (unless they are too small for the number of pages), stapled
parts are silent if they are folded over
Not sure I know what you mean by "any kind of bind score". Combs are
noisy, plastic combs are _very noisy_, metal coils are very silent
(unless they are too small for the number of pages), stapled parts are
silent if they are folded over a few times before use, VPC is silent.
What else is ther
Thanks for all the good advice.
Dalvin Boone
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A-NO-NE Music wrote:
Dalvin Boone / 2005/08/20 / 03:38 PM wrote:
I would like to get some advice on binding a 16 page full score printed on
11" X 17" paper. I had assumed that a local copy store or Staples store
could bind it with plastic comb or plastic wire coil, but none of the local
sto
Okay, I checked it out -- looks great! Can't afford it now, but it's
definitely on my wish list.
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On 20 Aug 2005, at 7:00 PM, Lee Actor wrote:
I'm not sure what you would consider affordable, but I recently got an
Akiles Coilmac-M for a very rea
Thanks, Lee, I'll check it out.
Just a tip, though, long URLs in email don't link properly unless
they're enclosed between angled brackets (< and >). Even better, use
http://tinyurl.com to make a short URL. For instance, TinyURL
reduces the 222-character URL you posted in your last mail t
I've used the VPC system, some work arounds on comb binding, and
folded/stapled binding.
If you can print on 13x20 paper (I use a GCC printer), and can reduce
your score to 10x13, you can print booklets, fold, and use a saddler
stapler on 20 pages (5 pieces of paper), or even 24 pages. I've moved
> I'm currently looking for a better option for score binding -- if I
> could find an affordable coil (_not_ comb -- coil) binder that
> handled paper up to 17" inches long, I'd snatch it up in a second.
>
> - Darcy
I'm not sure what you would consider affordable, but I recently got an
Akiles Coil
Dalvin Boone / 2005/08/20 / 03:38 PM wrote:
>I would like to get some advice on binding a 16 page full score printed on
>11" X 17" paper. I had assumed that a local copy store or Staples store
>could bind it with plastic comb or plastic wire coil, but none of the local
>stores (Terre Haute IN) co
At 03:38 PM 08/20/2005, Dalvin Boone wrote:
>I would like to get some advice on binding a 16 page full score printed on
>11" X 17" paper. I had assumed that a local copy store or Staples store
>could bind it with plastic comb or plastic wire coil, but none of the local
>stores (Terre Haute IN) co
I would really strongly *not* recommend using the VPC system to bind
11x17 scores. First off, the "machine" required to apply the tape to
the long edge of 11x17 paper (assuming your score is in portrait
orientation) is a $500 special-order product, which is in my opinion
_absurdly_ overpric
Resent to entire list. Sorry Dalvin, for two copies.
On Aug 20, 2005, at 3:38 PM, Dalvin Boone wrote:
I would like to get some advice on binding a 16 page full score
printed on
11" X 17" paper. I had assumed that a local copy store or Staples
store
could bind it with plastic comb or plastic
At 02:38 PM 8/20/05 -0500, Dalvin Boone wrote:
>I would like to get some advice on binding a 16 page full score printed on
>11" X 17" paper. I had assumed that a local copy store or Staples store
>could bind it with plastic comb or plastic wire coil, but none of the local
>stores (Terre Haute IN)
I have this system and have used it some. It's pretty good. the
pages stay together rather well, assuming no really rough handling -
pulling at individual pages. Pages turn easily and silently. I
think 16 pp. will be fine in this system. My experience has been
with fewer pages - maybe
I would like to get some advice on binding a 16 page full score printed on
11" X 17" paper. I had assumed that a local copy store or Staples store
could bind it with plastic comb or plastic wire coil, but none of the local
stores (Terre Haute IN) could bind the large size paper.
Also, does anyone
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