17 Powerbook failure

2004-11-21 Thread Rowan, Michael
Hey guys, I have a 17 Powerbook which isn't working. I only converted over to macs last year, so am short on experience diagnosing the problems. When I try to power up it sounds like the drive starts to spin up and doesn't. The sound is coming from the top left corner -- by the power cord

Re: 17 Powerbook failure

2004-11-21 Thread Steve Fuller
The hard drive on a 17 powerbook is in the lower LH corner. Not the upper LH side. Steve -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale

My new 17 PowerBook still fighting me

2004-02-11 Thread invicta
Hello All, My new 17 G4 PowerBook is still fighting me. Earlier I reported about TT de Luxe supplied by AppleCare won't do its work and though I called AppleCare last monday they have not reacted yet with a solution. Yesterday I found out that my Canon 5000F scanner and my i550 printer won't

building a better mouse (was 17 Powerbook)

2003-06-15 Thread Frank Cornew
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:21:19 -0500 Subject: Re: building a better mouse (was 17 Powerbook) From: David M. Ensteness [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not Invented There: Bluetooth, Airport, USB, OS X, SuperDrive, DVD Studio Pro, Final Cut Pro

Re: building a better mouse (was 17 Powerbook)

2003-06-13 Thread Jeremy Derr
... Guess that explains the USB 2.0 ports that are built into my 17 PowerBook. :) And the USB 2.0 chipset on my Dual 1.42 GHz Tower. Not Invented There: Bluetooth, Airport, USB, OS X, SuperDrive, DVD Studio Pro, Final Cut Pro, iTunes... i don't know, I'm guessing they're quite a bit over not invented here

Re: building a better mouse (was 17 Powerbook)

2003-06-13 Thread David M. Ensteness
Not Invented There: Bluetooth, Airport, USB, OS X, SuperDrive, DVD Studio Pro, Final Cut Pro, iTunes... i don't know, I'm guessing they're quite a bit over not invented here syndrome, and have been for quite some time. Very true - but for AirPort, they co-developed it with Lucent. David --

Re: building a better mouse (was 17 Powerbook)

2003-06-12 Thread Kyle Hansen
into my 17 PowerBook. :) And the USB 2.0 chipset on my Dual 1.42 GHz Tower. Kyle H. Hansen -- Jesus Saves...but Gretzky grabs the rebound and backhands for a goal!!! -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives

Re: building a better mouse (was 17 Powerbook)

2003-06-11 Thread David M. Ensteness
I could stand the one button thing (possibly) but it is totally not acceptable to not have a scroll wheel these days. I prob spend 75% of my computer time on the net, and every house in my computer has a scroll mouse. Uhm, hate to say this, I used to hold back from saying it in fact when it was

Finderpop wasRe: 17 PowerBook

2003-06-11 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 06:58 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote: on 10/06/03 20:21, Bruce Johnson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip!] Alas the developer stopped development with the advent of OSX as OSX pissed him off (Sure to start off a new round of flamage I'm sure :-(

Re: building a better mouse (was 17 Powerbook)

2003-06-11 Thread John A. Wolfgang
Hi, I have to echo this sentiment. Under traditional Unix variants you are supplied with a THREE button mouse, where under your window manager of choice, you can program functionality through a simple configuration script (app launcher though multiple drop down menus, also reducing lengthy

Re: Finderpop wasRe: 17 PowerBook

2003-06-11 Thread Steve Kidd
Lost track of who it was, but some is quoted as saying: Alas the developer stopped development with the advent of OSX as OSX pissed him off (Sure to start off a new round of flamage I'm sure :-( Actually, Turly was one of the early OS X programmers - Apple let him go when every hi-tech company

Re: building a better mouse (was 17 Powerbook)

2003-06-11 Thread Paul Nicholson
At 1:15 AM -0500 6/11/03, Eugene Lee wrote: I find this statement somewhat lacking because adding more buttons, scroll wheels, and other things to the one-button mouse makes it more complex to use and less ergonomic to the hand. I'm using a two button scroll mouse and never want to go back to

Re: 17 PowerBook

2003-06-11 Thread Kurt Appling
RE; I am useing an earlier TI PB 800 without the backlit keyboard, is the keyboard interchangable between these machines? ? for the time being I get by OK with a flexlite On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 10:45 PM, Dwayne Walker wrote: Just my two pence for you Nick. I am typing this from my

Re: building a better mouse (was 17 Powerbook)

2003-06-11 Thread Kurt Appling
RE, well I agree about the scroll wheel,now that I have it I wouldnt go back,I have also gotten acustomed to useing two buttons, left single click,and right set to double click I could stand the one button thing (possibly) but it is totally not acceptable to not have a scroll wheel these

Re: building a better mouse (was 17 Powerbook)

2003-06-11 Thread David M. Ensteness
Uhm, look closer and you will see they got over not invented here a long time ago ... David I'm using a two button scroll mouse and never want to go back to single button. It's time Apple, time to get over NIH (Not Invented Here) and make a two button scroll mouse. Paul -- G-Books is

Bluetooth Mouse for 17 PowerBook

2003-06-11 Thread Patrick Lum
Being somewhat responsible for the current mouse debate, I really want to reiterate the point I was trying to make. One button, two buttons, scroll wheel or not... the really cool reason I am using Microsoft's Bluetooth mouse is that I get wireless functionality without having to use an

Re: building a better mouse (was 17 Powerbook)

2003-06-11 Thread Donald Keenan
It is UNCONSCIONABLE for Apple to have not provided a scroll wheel. Especially for a company that knows a thing or two about design and inadvertently OR intentionally introduced a step forward in ergonomics with the goose-necked new iMac. Until a better interface becomes available and

Re: building a better mouse (was 17 Powerbook)

2003-06-11 Thread Jackie
When it comes to mice, it's time for Apple to stop shooting itself in the foot and get with the program. Give us a sleek, stylish Apple Pro optical mouse with one of those unobtrusive, non-confusing, simple-to-use (and easy to ignore), life-enhancing scroll wheels, with OS-integrated and

Re: 17 PowerBook

2003-06-10 Thread Krehbiel, Tyler
I am ashamed to admit to using Microsoft's Bluetooth mouse. But, it works great. DON'T BE! Apple really needs to get there act together with the mouse. Yeah, sure their mouse looks cool. But in reality they are holding everyone back, I could stand the one button thing (possibly) but it is

Re: 17 PowerBook

2003-06-10 Thread Steve Fuller
DON'T BE! Apple really needs to get there act together with the mouse. Yeah, sure their mouse looks cool. But in reality they are holding everyone back, I could stand the one button thing (possibly) but it is totally not acceptable to not have a scroll wheel these days. I prob spend 75% of my

Re: 17 PowerBook

2003-06-10 Thread Jim Schulze
On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 09:56 AM, Krehbiel, Tyler wrote: I am ashamed to admit to using Microsoft's Bluetooth mouse. But, it works great. DON'T BE! Apple really needs to get there act together with the mouse. Yeah, Not only that, but we should feel good for supporting Microsoft by

Re: 17 PowerBook

2003-06-10 Thread doce
On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 11:01 AM, Steve Fuller wrote: DON'T BE! Apple really needs to get there act together with the mouse. Yeah, sure their mouse looks cool. But in reality they are holding everyone back, I could stand the one button thing (possibly) but it is totally not acceptable

Re: 17 PowerBook

2003-06-10 Thread Laurent Daudelin
On 10/06/03 11:59, Jim Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 09:56 AM, Krehbiel, Tyler wrote: I am ashamed to admit to using Microsoft's Bluetooth mouse. But, it works great. DON'T BE! Apple really needs to get there act together with the mouse. Yeah, Not

Re: 17 PowerBook

2003-06-10 Thread Jon Glass
On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 07:01 PM, doce wrote: I'm a dyed in the wool keyboarder. even on machines with extra buttons and scroll wheels, i rarely use them simply because i only reach for the mouse when absolutely necessary. typing gets a lot of grief for causing repetitive stress injures

Re: 17 PowerBook

2003-06-10 Thread Laurent Daudelin
On 10/06/03 16:01, Jon Glass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 07:01 PM, doce wrote: I'm a dyed in the wool keyboarder. even on machines with extra buttons and scroll wheels, i rarely use them simply because i only reach for the mouse when absolutely necessary. typing

Re: 17 PowerBook

2003-06-10 Thread Eugene Lee
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 09:56:37AM -0500, Krehbiel, Tyler wrote: : : I am ashamed to admit to using Microsoft's Bluetooth mouse. But, : it works great. : : DON'T BE! Apple really needs to get there act together with the mouse. When Apple can afford to lose over $300 million per year from

Re: 17 PowerBook

2003-06-10 Thread Thomas Ethen
I use Macally mice and find them as good or better than Microsoft's products! Tom Not only that, but we should feel good for supporting Microsoft by buying their products that really are as good as or better than anyone else's. I have always liked their Mice. I think most of their

Re: 17 PowerBook

2003-06-10 Thread Roger Shufflebottom
At 16:58 -0500 10/6/03, Thomas Ethen wrote: I use Macally mice and find them as good or better than Microsoft's products! Not the ones with balls in, surely? Optical only please! -- With best wishes, Roger Shufflebottom -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronics

Re: 17 PowerBook

2003-06-10 Thread doce
On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 03:01 PM, Jon Glass wrote: On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 07:01 PM, doce wrote: I'm a dyed in the wool keyboarder. even on machines with extra buttons and scroll wheels, i rarely use them simply because i only reach for the mouse when absolutely necessary. typing

Re: 17 PowerBook

2003-06-10 Thread Krehbiel, Tyler
When Apple can afford to lose over $300 million per year from their home entertainment division, I'm sure Apple can then address your concerns. Eugene Lee So, your saying that becasue apple dosent have a lot of money they should make crapy products? Hmm, maybe I missed somthing? Casue that

Re: 17 PowerBook

2003-06-10 Thread Bruce Johnson
Krehbiel, Tyler wrote: So, your saying that becasue apple dosent have a lot of money they should make crapy products? Hmm, maybe I missed somthing? Casue that makes no sence at all, and dont try and tell me they dont have enough cash to engineer(Read: Basically COPY) a scroll mouse design. See if

Re: 17 PowerBook

2003-06-10 Thread Matt Peacock
When Apple can afford to lose over $300 million per year from their home entertainment division, I'm sure Apple can then address your concerns. Eugene Lee So, your saying that becasue apple dosent have a lot of money they should make crapy products? Hmm, maybe I missed somthing? Casue that

Re: 17 PowerBook

2003-06-10 Thread Matt Peacock
No. I'm saying that Apple's resources are rather tight, and the company needs to focus on more important problems than esoteric user preferences. The users are the ones who give them the money Matt -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronics

Re: 17 PowerBook

2003-06-10 Thread matt dudek
On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 12:23 am, Matt Peacock wrote: No. I'm saying that Apple's resources are rather tight, and the company needs to focus on more important problems than esoteric user preferences. The users are the ones who give them the money Matt Granted. but if the majority of

Re: 17 PowerBook

2003-06-10 Thread Bruce Johnson
Matt Peacock wrote: About the clean lines, I agree that the laptops would loose some of their finesse, but how about a 'rocker' button design and a system preference, default is one-button operation, but 'advanced' users can set it to two button operation. (just a possible solution, not one

Re: 17 PowerBook

2003-06-10 Thread Laurent Daudelin
on 10/06/03 20:21, Bruce Johnson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip!] Alas the developer stopped development with the advent of OSX as OSX pissed him off (Sure to start off a new round of flamage I'm sure :-( http://www.finderpop.com/ the last version is archived there. He says that he

Re: 17 PowerBook

2003-06-10 Thread Dwayne Walker
Just my two pence for you Nick. I am typing this from my 17 sitting in the dark. I have my email client up on one side of the screen and Safari on the next. Both sitting side by side comfortably. My keyboard is lit up and I browing wirelessly. May I say convenience convenience. To me the

Re: building a better mouse (was 17 Powerbook)

2003-06-10 Thread John Bertram
on 03/6/10 3:30 PM, Krehbiel, Tyler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could stand the one button thing (possibly) but it is totally not acceptable to not have a scroll wheel these days. I prob spend 75% of my computer time on the net, and every house in my computer has a scroll mouse. We have two

Re: building a better mouse (was 17 Powerbook)

2003-06-10 Thread Laurent Daudelin
on 10/06/03 23:28, John Bertram at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 03/6/10 3:30 PM, Krehbiel, Tyler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could stand the one button thing (possibly) but it is totally not acceptable to not have a scroll wheel these days. I prob spend 75% of my computer time on the net, and

Re: 17 PowerBook : Subject change: FinderPop

2003-06-10 Thread Pauline Turtle-Bear Guillermo
On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 06:21 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Matt Peacock wrote: About the clean lines, I agree that the laptops would loose some of their finesse, but how about a 'rocker' button design and a system preference, default is one-button operation, but 'advanced' users can set it

Re: 17 PowerBook

2003-06-10 Thread Thomas Ethen
They have a variety of optical mice and they are Mac people not PC! Tom I use Macally mice and find them as good or better than Microsoft's products! Not the ones with balls in, surely? Optical only please! -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronics

Re: building a better mouse (was 17 Powerbook)

2003-06-10 Thread Donald Keenan
On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 11:40 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote: I could stand the one button thing (possibly) but it is totally not acceptable to not have a scroll wheel these days. I prob spend 75% of my computer time on the net, and every house in my computer has a scroll mouse. It is

Re: 17 PowerBook

2003-06-10 Thread Eugene Lee
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 05:27:04PM -0500, Krehbiel, Tyler wrote: : Eugene Lee suggested: : : When Apple can afford to lose over $300 million per year from their home : entertainment division, I'm sure Apple can then address your concerns. : : So, your saying that becasue apple dosent have a

Re: 17 Powerbook

2003-06-09 Thread Matt Peacock
I couldn't quite stretch to a 17, so I got a 12, but I know a couple of people who have one and the ONLY thing they have said so far is: You can't use it on trains/planes unless you are in 1st/business class. However they also say that after a few weeks using it, you will never go back to a

Re: 17 Powerbook

2003-06-09 Thread Steve Fuller
Could anyone using a 17 Powerbook comment what they like and don't like about it. Defects? Problems? Prices have come down C$600 on the 17, sooo I'm thinking about getting one. Using a Pismo 500/1Gig/40Gig now. Likes: Screen size. Screen size. Screen size. Speed. Thinness. Weight. Cool sleep

17 PowerBook

2003-06-09 Thread Patrick Lum
On Jan 9, I sold the 15 I got on Dec 18 so I could buy and wait until April 7 for my 17 PowerBook. There really isn't anything bad about this machine. Occasionally, airport security doesn't have a plastic tray large enough to fit the PowerBook. And, you probably won't be able to use your old

17 Powerbook

2003-06-08 Thread Nick
Could anyone using a 17 Powerbook comment what they like and don't like about it. Defects? Problems? Prices have come down C$600 on the 17, sooo I'm thinking about getting one. Using a Pismo 500/1Gig/40Gig now. N -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog

Re: 17 PowerBook vs Pismo 500 Xbench

2003-03-22 Thread Tom Burke
On Thursday, March 20, 2003, at 04:21 AM, Kevin Stevens wrote: Exec Summary: Overall performance almost exactly 2x, memory operations close to 4x, OpenGL not much different. KeS Pismo: Did you read the 867 Mhz 12 PB review in April MacWorld? They compared it with the 867 15, 1Gb 15,

Re: 17 PowerBook vs Pismo 500 Xbench

2003-03-22 Thread Kevin Stevens
On Saturday, Mar 22, 2003, at 00:55 US/Pacific, Tom Burke wrote: On Thursday, March 20, 2003, at 04:21 AM, Kevin Stevens wrote: Exec Summary: Overall performance almost exactly 2x, memory operations close to 4x, OpenGL not much different. KeS Pismo: Did you read the 867 Mhz 12 PB

Re: 17 PowerBook vs Pismo 500 Xbench

2003-03-21 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 3/21/03 1:25 AM, Steve Fuller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spew into the Cybertrough: You probably would've been extremely happy with a 15 and it would be in your hot little hands right now ;-) That thought has crossed my mind. However, I have Alpha Geek status that I need to uphold.

Re: 17 PowerBook vs Pismo 500 Xbench

2003-03-20 Thread Tom Burke
On Thursday, March 20, 2003, at 04:21 AM, Kevin Stevens wrote: Exec Summary: Overall performance almost exactly 2x, memory operations close to 4x, OpenGL not much different. KeS I'm wondering how surprised I am about this. Much of the difference seems to be accounted for by the simple

Re: 17 PowerBook vs Pismo 500 Xbench

2003-03-20 Thread Kevin Stevens
On Thursday, Mar 20, 2003, at 00:25 US/Pacific, Tom Burke wrote: I'm wondering how surprised I am about this. Much of the difference seems to be accounted for by the simple difference in CPU speed, which is indeed 2x. You would expect memory to be faster on the 17, and the disk looks to be

Re: 17 PowerBook vs Pismo 500 Xbench

2003-03-20 Thread Steve Fuller
Kevin Stevens wrote: That the faster disk and extra 512MB are making more of an impact than CPU performance. Of course, I haven't done much real work with it yet. Glad you received yours Kevin. I'm still waiting here. ETA of 4/15 now. If I wasn't so convinced that switching platforms was

Re: 17 PowerBook vs Pismo 500 Xbench

2003-03-20 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 3/20/03 10:45 AM, Steve Fuller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spew into the Cybertrough: Kevin Stevens wrote: That the faster disk and extra 512MB are making more of an impact than CPU performance. Of course, I haven't done much real work with it yet. Glad you received yours Kevin. I'm still

Re: 17 PowerBook vs Pismo 500 Xbench

2003-03-20 Thread Steve Fuller
You probably would've been extremely happy with a 15 and it would be in your hot little hands right now ;-) That thought has crossed my mind. However, I have Alpha Geek status that I need to uphold. :) I guess the money sits in the account and earns a meager bit of interest for

17 PowerBook vs Pismo 500 Xbench

2003-03-19 Thread Kevin Stevens
Exec Summary: Overall performance almost exactly 2x, memory operations close to 4x, OpenGL not much different. KeS Pismo: Results 46.22 System Info Xbench Version 1.0b5 System Version 10.2.3 Physical RAM

Re: 17 PowerBook now shipping.

2003-03-16 Thread Steve Fuller
Kevin Stevens wrote: I received a notice at 3am that my 17 PowerBook has shipped. Ordered from the Apple Store, federal employee section on 1/7/3. Congrats Kevin. I saw some postings regarding this on powerbookcentral last night. Good news to those of us that have ordered. :) Steve -- G

17 PowerBook now shipping.

2003-03-15 Thread Kevin Stevens
I received a notice at 3am that my 17 PowerBook has shipped. Ordered from the Apple Store, federal employee section on 1/7/3. KeS -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site

Re: 17 Powerbook Delays

2003-03-10 Thread Jeremy Derr
On Monday, March 10, 2003, at 04:22 PM, Steve Fuller wrote: Ugh. Got a mail from PC Connection today. My 17 powerbook has been delayed until the 21st now. It was supposed to ship at the end of the week. I love Apple's hardware, but I really have to say that I am quite irritated by the fact

Re: 17 Powerbook Delays

2003-03-10 Thread Steve Fuller
well when ordering a brand new, not-yet-shipping product, it's probably not wisest to order from a catalog reseller if timeliness is important. why? because Apple ships to THEM, then they ship to YOU. the delay is inherent to whom you've ordered from. I fully understand the delay in

Re: 17 Powerbook Delays

2003-03-10 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 3/10/03 5:55 PM, Steve Fuller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spew into the Cybertrough: well when ordering a brand new, not-yet-shipping product, it's probably not wisest to order from a catalog reseller if timeliness is important. why? because Apple ships to THEM, then they ship to YOU. the

Re: 17' Powerbook Delays

2003-03-10 Thread Kevin Stevens
On Monday, March 10, 2003, at 04:22 PM, Steve Fuller wrote: Ugh. Got a mail from PC Connection today. My 17 powerbook has been delayed until the 21st now. It was supposed to ship at the end of the week. I love Apple's hardware, but I really have to say that I am quite irritated by the fact

Re: 17 Powerbook Delays

2003-03-10 Thread Jeremy Derr
On Monday, March 10, 2003, at 04:55PM, Steve Fuller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well when ordering a brand new, not-yet-shipping product, it's probably not wisest to order from a catalog reseller if timeliness is important. why? because Apple ships to THEM, then they ship to YOU. the

Re: 17' Powerbook Delays

2003-03-10 Thread Jeremy Derr
On Monday, March 10, 2003, at 05:25PM, Kevin Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I ordered a 17 PowerBook from the Apple Store within a couple of hours of the introduction. The ship date on the order has been 3/20 since a week or so after I placed the order - before that it was 7-10 weeks. Note

Re: 17' Powerbook Delays

2003-03-10 Thread Jeremy Derr
On Monday, March 10, 2003, at 06:06 PM, Kevin Stevens wrote: even if you ordered only a few hours after the keynote, can you imagine the number of people who ordered before you? Damned few, based on the reports from www.pbcentral.com. To be precise, I've only seen one report that was

Re: 17' Powerbook Delays

2003-03-10 Thread Kevin Stevens
On Mon, 10 Mar 2003, Jeremy Derr wrote: On Monday, March 10, 2003, at 06:06 PM, Kevin Stevens wrote: that said, this is exactly why i refuse to get riled up or ticked off about anything i read ANYWHERE on mac news and rumors sites. why? because too many people take these sites as gospel.

Re: 17' Powerbook Delays

2003-03-10 Thread Jeremy Derr
On Monday, March 10, 2003, at 07:06 PM, Kevin Stevens wrote: Which is totally irrelevant to the question of what the *earliest* date is, which as I said before seems to be 3/20. the earliest date --as reported on a news site--. in fact, if you read pbcentral.com's update from saturday, you'll

17 PowerBook user manual

2003-03-04 Thread Kevin Stevens
Don't know if this is a good sign, but it can't be a bad one: http://www.info.apple.com/kbnum/n52091 KeS -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks |

Re: 17' PowerBook shipping estimate

2003-02-10 Thread Kevin Stevens
I placed an order with my sales rep from PC Connection today (also known as Mac Connection. I was told that they will have them in on the 10th of Feb. Mine will be shipped overnight so I should (hopefully) have it on the 12th. Heard anything, Steve? KeS -- G-Books is sponsored by

Re: 17' PowerBook shipping estimate

2003-02-10 Thread Steve Fuller
anything, Steve? Yeah. I heard that I will not have a 17 Powerbook on my desk until the 15th of March now. I know I am going to love the machine when I get it, but the fact that they can't seem to give out accurate shipping information to their resellers is immensely frustrating. Glad that I still have

Re: 17 PowerBook shipping estimate

2003-01-21 Thread Jeremy Derr
On Monday, January 20, 2003, at 11:00 PM, Steve Fuller wrote: On Mon, 2003-01-20 at 22:48, Kevin Stevens wrote: I qualify for the federal employee discount, so ordered from Apple. That may delay the order somewhat, but I'm still surprised to hear that the retailers can be that certain of

17 PowerBook shipping estimate

2003-01-20 Thread Kevin Stevens
Don't know that it's all that encouraging or accurate, but it's more information than I've had before: my order now shows that the PowerBook should ship on or before 03/20. Why Apple felt it helpful to ship the APP last week via 2-day delivery is a bit beyond me... KeS -- G-Books is

Re: 17 PowerBook shipping estimate

2003-01-20 Thread Steve Fuller
On Mon, 2003-01-20 at 19:04, Kevin Stevens wrote: Don't know that it's all that encouraging or accurate, but it's more information than I've had before: my order now shows that the PowerBook should ship on or before 03/20. I placed an order with my sales rep from PC Connection today (also

Re: 17 PowerBook shipping estimate

2003-01-20 Thread Kevin Stevens
On Monday, Jan 20, 2003, at 20:43 US/Pacific, Steve Fuller wrote: On Mon, 2003-01-20 at 19:04, Kevin Stevens wrote: Don't know that it's all that encouraging or accurate, but it's more information than I've had before: my order now shows that the PowerBook should ship on or before 03/20.

Re: 17 PowerBook

2003-01-20 Thread wappling
Re; Congrats,and best wishes I placed an order with my sales rep from PC Connection today (also known as Mac Connection. I was told that they will have them in on the 10th of Feb. Mine will be shipped overnight so I should (hopefully) have it on the 12th. It came with a free 512MB upgrade

Re: 17 PowerBook

2003-01-20 Thread Steve Fuller
On Mon, 2003-01-20 at 22:49, wappling wrote: Re; Congrats,and best wishes Thanks. I can honestly say that there is no way I would have spent this amount of money (no matter what the machine was) without having spent the last 2 - 3 months seriously playing with the used G4 I picked up (and

Re: 17 PowerBook

2003-01-20 Thread wappling
RE; I know the feeling,Im boxing and moveing what seems like a ton of crap I no longer need to the back bedroom for storeage, and wow,I can actualy walk in here lol after six years of tower macs Im just amazed its all replaced by 15ins by 1 in.Im still in happy shock,and I too am thinking up

Re: The 17 PowerBook

2003-01-16 Thread Shawn King
On 1/8/03 2:48 PM, R. Hannes Niedner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have not heard someone complaining about the missing digital audio in/output? Did Apple had a courtesy contract with Griffin and others or is this no issue (can this be done via firewire ore USB without additional device these

Re: The 17 PowerBook

2003-01-12 Thread wappling
Re; thanks also,my new powerbook is still ported out the back,I-books are on the side What's the brand? It would have to snake around from a USB port on the back of my Pismo. I can't believe they used to put ports on the back of laptops! It's a Kensington Flylight. I have one. I plug it

Re: The 17 PowerBook

2003-01-11 Thread dograt
On Saturday, January 11, 2003, at 12:26 PM, Nick wrote: Anyone know whether the new 17 Powerbook will boot in OS 9.2.2? I think Jobs said, no way, José (paraphrasing.) dave -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com

Re: The 17 PowerBook

2003-01-11 Thread Luca Rescigno
Anyone know whether the new 17 Powerbook will boot in OS 9.2.2? N Nope, it's the first of the OS X-only Macs. You can still use Classic mode and you can still boot from an OS 9 CD (I think) but no OS 9 booting from the HD. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small

Re: The 17 PowerBook

2003-01-11 Thread dograt
On Saturday, January 11, 2003, at 12:29 PM, Luca Rescigno wrote: Anyone know whether the new 17 Powerbook will boot in OS 9.2.2? N Nope, it's the first of the OS X-only Macs. You can still use Classic mode and you can still boot from an OS 9 CD (I think) but no OS 9 booting from the HD

Re: The 17 PowerBook

2003-01-10 Thread Jeremy Derr
On Thursday, January 09, 2003, at 11:31AM, Kevin Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The statement that most devices that have USB 2 also have Firewire is just wrong. Maybe y'all are looking at external drives or some other specific segment. Card readers, scanners, speakers, phones, PDAs, there's

Re: The 17 PowerBook

2003-01-10 Thread Stephen Bright
There is no way I'll be able to afford the 17 If you can wait 2 years, you will be able to purchase it used (but, mint condition) for about $1000. And it will be a low end mac. Stephen -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com

Re: The 17 PowerBook

2003-01-10 Thread Phillip Burk
On Friday, January 10, 2003, at 09:56 AM, Jeremy Derr wrote: USB2 has become a standard in PC computers. It has yet to really come to play in actual peripherals. Like I said start naming some. About the only decent USB2-only device I've seen would be some of Iomega's newer drives. Even

Re: The 17 PowerBook

2003-01-10 Thread David M. Ensteness
USB 1.x and 2.0 have a major disfunction that FireWire does not they are not peer to peer technologies, USB requires processor resources where as FW devices can talk directly to each other. USB is great for keyboards and printers but it is not the highend transfer technology that FW is nor

Re: The 17 PowerBook

2003-01-10 Thread Jim Freeman
What's the brand? It would have to snake around from a USB port on the back of my Pismo. I can't believe they used to put ports on the back of laptops! Jim On Thursday, January 9, 2003, at 10:15 PM, Kevin Stevens wrote: Have you checked out the USB (sorry, don't think they come in Firewire)

Re: The 17 PowerBook

2003-01-10 Thread Steve Fuller
I think that Kensington sells one. They have them and fans at CompUSA and bestbuy. -Original Message- From: G-Books [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jim Freeman Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 10:57 AM To: G-Books Subject: Re: The 17 PowerBook What's the brand? It would

Re: The 17 PowerBook

2003-01-10 Thread Obi-Wan
On 1/10/03 8:19 AM, Phillip Burk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spew into the Cybertrough: I know for a fact that there are some MP3 players that have USB2 connections. One of my coworkers has one and loves it. Not true. The iPod doesn't have a USB 2 connection. Are you saying that there are *other*

Re: The 17 PowerBook

2003-01-10 Thread Obi-Wan
On 1/10/03 8:56 AM, Jim Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spew into the Cybertrough: What's the brand? It would have to snake around from a USB port on the back of my Pismo. I can't believe they used to put ports on the back of laptops! It's a Kensington Flylight. I have one. I plug it into the back

Re: The 17 PowerBook

2003-01-10 Thread Anthony Vo
I know for a fact that there are some MP3 players that have USB2 connections. One of my coworkers has one and loves it. Not true. The iPod doesn't have a USB 2 connection. Are you saying that there are *other* MP3 players out there besides the iPod??? ;-) I think what he meant : MP3

Re: The 17 PowerBook

2003-01-10 Thread Obi-Wan
On 1/10/03 10:09 AM, Anthony Vo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spew into the Cybertrough: I know for a fact that there are some MP3 players that have USB2 connections. One of my coworkers has one and loves it. Not true. The iPod doesn't have a USB 2 connection. Are you saying that there are

Re: The 17 PowerBook

2003-01-10 Thread Kevin Stevens
On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Jeremy Derr wrote: name some. name a phone that's USB2 (hint: they're going to BlueTooth, not USB2). Name a PDA that is USB2. Name some USB2 speakers. USB audio doesn't anywhere NEAR saturate a USB 1.1 bus, so bumping speakers to USB2 would be pointless. name a USB2 card

Re: The 17 PowerBook

2003-01-09 Thread Kevin Stevens
On Thu, 9 Jan 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/8/03 1:00:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I also really wish they'd included USB 2.0. To be the best digital hub, you need to drop the politics sometimes and get with what the rest of the world is doing. You're

Re: The 17 PowerBook

2003-01-09 Thread Bruce Johnson
Kevin Stevens wrote: Again, this is shaking down across political lines. Apple promotes Firewire, and downplays USB (Not Invented Here). The PC market has preferred USB in the past, though my latest couple of PCs have come with both Firewire and USB (2). ROFL!!! USB did not take off in the

Re: The 17 PowerBook

2003-01-09 Thread Obi-Wan
On 1/9/03 11:31 AM, Kevin Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spew into the Cybertrough: Predictably, both of the people who have grabbed the end of this towel and started shaking are affiliated with Apple in some way. I don't give a damn about promoting Firewire *or* USB. I'm just a user who is

Re: The 17 PowerBook

2003-01-09 Thread Laurent Daudelin
On 09/01/03 16:59, Luca Rescigno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip!] Actually, I was thinking the other day... why does anyone even use USB? Why can't all Macs just have three or four FireWire ports and use FireWire mice and keyboards and FireWire digital cameras and the like? Standardizing on

Re: The 17 PowerBook

2003-01-09 Thread Roger Shufflebottom
At 14:57 -0600 8/1/03, Jeremy Derr wrote: very few people are actually DOING digital i/o, and many in the industry have severe reservations about going digital -- the same problem that you see in the film industry. analog sound has a distinctive sound that people find familiar, reassuring. in the

Re: The 17 PowerBook

2003-01-09 Thread Mark
Luca Rescigno on 1/9/03 4:59 PM wrote: Actually, I was thinking the other day... why does anyone even use USB? Why can't all Macs just have three or four FireWire ports and use FireWire mice and keyboards and FireWire digital cameras and the like? Standardizing on FireWire would be cool. My

Re: The 17 PowerBook

2003-01-09 Thread Kevin Stevens
On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Obi-Wan wrote: On 1/9/03 11:31 AM, Kevin Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spew into the Cybertrough: Predictably, both of the people who have grabbed the end of this towel and started shaking are affiliated with Apple in some way. I don't give a damn about promoting

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