Re: [Audyssey] Can a sighted person play swamp?

2013-04-20 Thread dark
Hi Decota. Firstly, remember that the dropdown box on audiogames.net is not the be all and end all of site searching, and also that the disclaimer statement at the top of the site clearly states access as a primary motivation. Both of these were set by Richard and sander 10 years ago when the

Re: [Audyssey] Can a sighted person play swamp?

2013-04-20 Thread Dakotah Rickard
In my opinion, it's kind of a bs response to say that screen readers make audiogames. Urban dead uses only the screen reader to give info. It's not an audiogame. It's a game played with a screen reader. I mean, I just don't understand why it's so important to call them audiogames, even though you

Re: [Audyssey] Can a sighted person play swamp?

2013-04-20 Thread john
You said there was a part of mass effect that was playable by sound? Could you give me some more details as to exactly which one? That's probably the single graphical game I'd really want to play, so it would be nice to give it a try next time I'm near an xbox. --- Gamers mailing list __

Re: [Audyssey] Can a sighted person play swamp?

2013-04-20 Thread dark
Hi Decota. I'm afraid I simply do not agree that your catagorizations of what is or is not an audio game are so easy as you suggest, indeed one thing that studdying philosophy has taught me is that rigid classifications are a sure fire way to desaster. Take the BG games for instance. They

Re: [Audyssey] Can a sighted person play swamp?

2013-04-20 Thread Dakotah Rickard
John, The part of Mass Effect that is playable is really a minigame, and it's mass effect 2. Now, I'll be the first to admit that most of mass effect is unplayable by us, but this one part, this one minigame, is entirely playable. In fact, I'd love to see a game made that is basically an expansion

Re: [Audyssey] Can a sighted person play swamp?

2013-04-19 Thread Dakotah Rickard
Right right. I agree that accessible games need a place, and that place should be ... of course, web based. I argue, though, that Audyssey's function is to do that. Audiogames.net filled a niche that Audyssey didn't because, and no offense Audyssey guys, Audyssey sort of dropped the ball, Lost

Re: [Audyssey] Can a sighted person play swamp?

2013-04-18 Thread Dakotah Rickard
I haven't played life all thaqt much, and the version I played may not be the same version as the one your game was based off of. Both physical versions I played did have the option to trade jobs with another player at some point though, which made things ... well, a little sneaky, if you know

Re: [Audyssey] Can a sighted person play swamp?

2013-04-18 Thread dark
I agree Decota there is indeed a difference betwene audio and accessible games, but I do not agree that difference is as easily quantified as you suggest, since to me something like alteraeon with the soundpack, lone wolf, king of dragon pass or smugglers because! they feature sound and spoken

Re: [Audyssey] Can a sighted person play swamp?

2013-04-17 Thread dark
Hi Decota. I dont' mind you voicing such opinions, since free discussion is always welcome, but there are a few points you probably didn't considder. Firstly, the way audiogames.net includes text games etc is not the responsability of myself, it actually began with richard and sander both of

Re: [Audyssey] Can a sighted person play swamp?

2013-04-17 Thread dark
Hi Decota. I've never heard of those rules with speeding you mention either. Myself, when i used to play life with my parents, it was pretty much the same game and the only missing component was as you said, university vs business, but business was such a dire option. wow! you can really

Re: [Audyssey] Can a sighted person play swamp?

2013-04-17 Thread Jim Kitchen
Hi Dakotah, True, deciding not to go to college in the game of Life is not a good decision, but it is there on the board. The same with deciding to or not to buy auto insurance, life insurance, fire insurance and stocks. Not a good idea not to, but the game does give you the choice.

Re: [Audyssey] Can a sighted person play swamp?

2013-04-16 Thread Dakotah Rickard
Most of the people I've gotten to play Swamp are sighted. My two sighted brothers, my wife, two of my friends, both of whom are pretty hardcore gamers and both of whom loved Swamp, even before the 2.9 overhaul. The only blind person I can confirm as someone I've brought onboard is one friend of

Re: [Audyssey] Can a sighted person play swamp?

2013-04-16 Thread dark
Actually decota, I never found any real advantages in castaways to the graphics that you couldn't get from the map since basically the main advantage was overview of building placement and the audio tools gave you all the info there anyway. Swamp, playing from a low vision perspective I loved

Re: [Audyssey] Can a sighted person play swamp?

2013-04-16 Thread shaun everiss
wow decota I couldn't get friends interested in any games. I had a couple that would play at the edges, with things like last crusade. generally it was, um, what is this stupid game doing with no graphics, I can't play this, there is no graphics. How did you manage this. I'd like to know your

Re: [Audyssey] Can a sighted person play swamp?

2013-04-16 Thread Clement Chou
The first thing that would make it easier for sighted people to play swamp is that Swamp does have graphics. And it also is important to consider how you approach someone sighted with a game that has no graphics. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list,

Re: [Audyssey] Can a sighted person play swamp?

2013-04-16 Thread shaun everiss
how do you approach a sighted gamer with a game with no graphics. I havn't showed swamp in its latest reencarnation but when I showed 2.8 to my friend he had a look at the game, screwed up his face and told me that they were crappy line graphics and that he was wasting his time. same with

Re: [Audyssey] Can a sighted person play swamp?

2013-04-16 Thread Clement Chou
sm.ever...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Can a sighted person play swamp? how do you approach a sighted gamer with a game with no graphics. I havn't showed swamp in its latest reencarnation but when I showed

Re: [Audyssey] Can a sighted person play swamp?

2013-04-16 Thread shaun everiss
... and if they can enjoy that without vision, audiogames are just a step down. - Original Message - From: shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Can a sighted person play swamp? how

Re: [Audyssey] Can a sighted person play swamp?

2013-04-16 Thread Dakotah Rickard
Message - From: shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Can a sighted person play swamp? how do you approach a sighted gamer with a game with no graphics. I havn't showed swamp in its latest

Re: [Audyssey] Can a sighted person play swamp?

2013-04-16 Thread dark
Hi clemment. to be strictly accurate, swamp doesn't have graphics in the way a sighted person would understand them for a first person game. Rather, it has a visual representation of in game objects and spaces, but this is not the same as graphics that any other graphical fps game has. Swamp

Re: [Audyssey] Can a sighted person play swamp?

2013-04-16 Thread shaun everiss
. - Original Message - From: shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Can a sighted person play swamp? how do you approach a sighted gamer with a game with no graphics. I havn't showed

Re: [Audyssey] Can a sighted person play swamp?

2013-04-16 Thread dark
Hi Decota. As regards audiogames.net, well there is already the function to search for games that just! contain audio and not text, use the search archive function on the main site since the games are! catagorized as having either audio, text, graphics or a combination of the three. while i

Re: [Audyssey] Can a sighted person play swamp?

2013-04-16 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Shaun, I haven't been following this topic too closely, but from what I have read it sounds like your friends have a bit of an attitude problem. What I mean by that is some sighted people will compromise with a blind person and will play a game like Jim Kitchen's Monopoly even though it has

Re: [Audyssey] Can a sighted person play swamp?

2013-04-16 Thread Jim Kitchen
Hi Shaun, My sighted family, neighbors etc play my games. Probably more on my computer because I have several good sapi5 voices. But they say that they do, and do seem to enjoy playing. I think mostly the board games like, Life, Monopoly, Hangmen, concentration, Yahtzee and Press Your

Re: [Audyssey] Can a sighted person play swamp?

2013-04-16 Thread Jim Kitchen
Hi Dakotah, First off, thanks, and I am very happy to hear that you and your friend enjoy playing my game of Life. I was just wondering though, other than where the board has the two splits where there are two paths that the player can take, how does my game of life not play as the original

Re: [Audyssey] Can a sighted person play swamp?

2013-04-16 Thread Dakotah Rickard
It also takes the right kind of person to advertise playing accessible games. The trouble is, we in the blind and visually impaired community, by design and leadership and tendency, often come off as having an entitlement issue with whatever. I have a lot of friends I talk about game stuff with,

Re: [Audyssey] Can a sighted person play swamp?

2013-04-16 Thread Dakotah Rickard
In reply to Jim Kitchen, I may not be remembering the game of life very well, but as I recall it, each job has functions around the board. For example, if you spin a 10, you have to pay the policeman player for speeding, etc. I don't remember very well about how life works, but I will voice one

Re: [Audyssey] Can a sighted person play swamp?

2013-04-15 Thread dark
Hi al. the swamp maps aren't propper graphics, they are indeed just referenced coloured map sections. Had swamp been programmed with full graphics it would've taken about five years to complete, because just about %80 of tthe developement of any graphical game is! it's graphics, animations

[Audyssey] Can a sighted person play swamp?

2013-04-14 Thread Allan Thompson
Hi guys, I have a friend I was talking to about audio games, and I did notice ont he swamp menu that there is an option for graphics and no graphics. Is this like full fledged sighted graphics, or are these just blocks and colors. I was kind of wanting him to check it out, but he doesn't have

Re: [Audyssey] Can a sighted person play swamp?

2013-04-14 Thread Jeremy Kaldobsky
The graphics are high contrasting shapes, but it will work just fine for him to play the game without a screen reader. Hi guys, I have a friend I was talking to about audio games, and I did notice ont he swamp menu that there is an option for graphics and no graphics. Is this like full

Re: [Audyssey] Can a sighted person play swamp?

2013-04-14 Thread Allan Thompson
Thank you for your help! al The truth will set you free Jesus Christ of Nazareth 33A.D. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Kaldobsky To: Gamers Discussion list Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Can a sighted person play swamp? The graphics