Re: [gentoo-dev] removing the server profiles...

2013-01-17 Thread Dustin C. Hatch
On 1/16/2013 11:32, Alexis Ballier wrote: Other option: kill the server subprofiles, keep profiles/target/server and let people finally set /etc/make.profile as a dir and play with multiple inheritance. We don't need dozens of subprofiles with only eapi and parent files in them... A. I would

Re: How a proper server profile should look like (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] removing the server profiles...)

2013-01-17 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:23 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: If someone wants a *REALLY* basic system, they can start off with USE=-* and add on stuff as necessary when portage complains and/or ebuilds break. That's what I'd recommend to someone wanting to set up a basic server

Re: How a proper server profile should look like (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] removing the server profiles...)

2013-01-17 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote: my 2ct: * dri and cups should probably be moved to desktop profile * pppd is a local useflag and should be enabled by default in the capi ebuild Definitely agree. Can we make these changes? Cheers, Dirkjan

Re: [gentoo-dev] call for testers: udev predictable network interface names

2013-01-17 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 17/01/13 04:49, Greg KH wrote: On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 06:36:59AM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote: On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote: Rich Freeman wrote: Not that anybody is taking requests, but it would be really handy if serial ports were deterministically

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in virtual/ffmpeg: ffmpeg-9.ebuild ChangeLog ffmpeg-0.10.2-r1.ebuild

2013-01-17 Thread Markos Chandras
On 16 January 2013 20:09, Alexis Ballier aball...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:40:02 + (UTC) Tomas Chvatal (scarabeus) scarab...@gentoo.org wrote: scarabeus13/01/16 12:40:02 Modified: ChangeLog Added:ffmpeg-9.ebuild Removed:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in virtual/ffmpeg: ffmpeg-9.ebuild ChangeLog ffmpeg-0.10.2-r1.ebuild

2013-01-17 Thread Tomáš Chvátal
2013/1/17 Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org: On 16 January 2013 20:09, Alexis Ballier aball...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:40:02 + (UTC) Tomas Chvatal (scarabeus) scarab...@gentoo.org wrote: scarabeus13/01/16 12:40:02 Modified: ChangeLog Added:

Re: [gentoo-dev] revdep-rebuild bikeshedding

2013-01-17 Thread Sergey Popov
17.01.2013 00:43, Paul Varner wrote: Here is where the bikeshedding begins: 1. What variable name do we prefer? REVDEP_DEFAULT_OPTS or REVDEP_EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS REVDEP_REBUILD_DEFAULT_OPTS seems fine, IMO. 2. What behavior do we want? append to EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS or replace

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in virtual/ffmpeg: ffmpeg-9.ebuild ChangeLog ffmpeg-0.10.2-r1.ebuild

2013-01-17 Thread Markos Chandras
On 17 January 2013 09:41, Tomáš Chvátal tomas.chva...@gmail.com wrote: I agree. This is a big change so there should be a discussion about this or at least an announcement that this is going to happen on the Xth of February. Did you actually test that the tree is ready for libav as the default

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in virtual/ffmpeg: ffmpeg-9.ebuild ChangeLog ffmpeg-0.10.2-r1.ebuild

2013-01-17 Thread Ben de Groot
Ideally we would have had a discussion here, and we could still have one. On the other hand I have used libav and mplayer2 for a long time, and have not run into any problems. The only thing missing is mencoder. I'm not opposing this change, but I also don't know enough of the details of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in virtual/ffmpeg: ffmpeg-9.ebuild ChangeLog ffmpeg-0.10.2-r1.ebuild

2013-01-17 Thread Alexander Berntsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 17/01/13 12:02, Ben de Groot wrote: I have used libav and mplayer2 for a long time, and have not run into any problems. The only thing missing is mencoder. +1 - -- Alexander alexan...@plaimi.net http://plaimi.net/~alexander -BEGIN PGP

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in virtual/ffmpeg: ffmpeg-9.ebuild ChangeLog ffmpeg-0.10.2-r1.ebuild

2013-01-17 Thread Tomáš Chvátal
2013/1/17 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org: On the other hand I have used libav and mplayer2 for a long time, and have not run into any problems. The only thing missing is mencoder. Which is sovled by the mplayer1 supporting libav since yesterday. :-)

Re: How a proper server profile should look like (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] removing the server profiles...)

2013-01-17 Thread Michael Mol
On Jan 17, 2013 3:35 AM, Dirkjan Ochtman d...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:23 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: If someone wants a *REALLY* basic system, they can start off with USE=-* and add on stuff as necessary when portage complains and/or ebuilds break.

[gentoo-dev] Re: How a proper server profile should look like

2013-01-17 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 17/01/2013 19:35, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote: my 2ct: * dri and cups should probably be moved to desktop profile * pppd is a local useflag and should be enabled by default in the capi ebuild Definitely agree. Can

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in virtual/ffmpeg: ffmpeg-9.ebuild ChangeLog ffmpeg-0.10.2-r1.ebuild

2013-01-17 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 17/01/2013 06:31, Samuli Suominen wrote: The tree definately isn't ready for libav so +1 from me, I almost changed it back myself already but to avoid stupid commit wars didn't. I disagree with the tree isn't ready for libav — I can add myself to Ben and Alexander on having used libav for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in virtual/ffmpeg: ffmpeg-9.ebuild ChangeLog ffmpeg-0.10.2-r1.ebuild

2013-01-17 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 10:41:58 +0100 Tomáš Chvátal tomas.chva...@gmail.com wrote: [...] On testing there should be nothing broken apart from xbmc, where Alexis is one of upstream devs and he seems not to give fuck about making it work under both. Please check the facts before making false

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in virtual/ffmpeg: ffmpeg-9.ebuild ChangeLog ffmpeg-0.10.2-r1.ebuild

2013-01-17 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 13:22:21 +0100 Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote: [...] But also, if you say that the tree isn't ready because of the bugs I opened — remember that I'm not going to test ffmpeg any time soon. I do reserve the right to not give a damn about software whose

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in virtual/ffmpeg: ffmpeg-9.ebuild ChangeLog ffmpeg-0.10.2-r1.ebuild

2013-01-17 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 17/01/2013 14:19, Alexis Ballier wrote: Nice mix of two different hats. I liked to think the tinderbox was something you were doing for gentoo QA, but it seems it serves also your personal wars... I'm not on payroll for either hat so I don't see any conflict with that. The tinderbox is a

[gentoo-dev] RFC: new qt category

2013-01-17 Thread Ben de Groot
Hi guys, Presently we already have a good number of split qt-* library packages in x11-libs. With the arrival of Qt5 upstream has gone a lot further in modularization, so we expect the number of packages to grow much more. We, the Gentoo Qt team, are of the opinion that the time has come to split

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in virtual/ffmpeg: ffmpeg-9.ebuild ChangeLog ffmpeg-0.10.2-r1.ebuild

2013-01-17 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 14:26:54 +0100 Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote: [...] ffmpeg is in the same list as paludis and will not, ever, be tested on my boxes, as long as it's a personal effort. Are you going to pay me to run it? If the answer is no, please fuck off or run your own.

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new qt category

2013-01-17 Thread Ian Whyman
Much nicer naming IMHO. +1 from me.

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new qt category

2013-01-17 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 17/01/2013 14:57, Ben de Groot wrote: After some initial bikeshedding we came to the conclusion that naming the category simply qt is the most elegant solution. We will then also be dropping the qt- prefix in package names. This means x11-libs/qt-core will be moved to qt/core, and so on.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in virtual/ffmpeg: ffmpeg-9.ebuild ChangeLog ffmpeg-0.10.2-r1.ebuild

2013-01-17 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 10:41:58 +0100 Tomáš Chvátal tomas.chva...@gmail.com wrote: [...] So yes it works and should not pose any issues to user. I also announced it over blog to get people report more issues they find out so I can be really sure it works out. It turned out the mplayer1 really

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new qt category

2013-01-17 Thread Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
Ben de Groot schrieb: This category is to be used for the various modules and applications that belong to the upstream Qt Framework only (these include e.g. assistant and linguist). Third-party applications should remain in the current categories. So where do modules go that come from

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in virtual/ffmpeg: ffmpeg-9.ebuild ChangeLog ffmpeg-0.10.2-r1.ebuild

2013-01-17 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 17/01/2013 15:00, Alexis Ballier wrote: I was only pointing out that ffmpeg isn't a one person thing, it's much more that this one (or more) person who insulted you. You weren't pointing that out at all: Nice mix of two different hats. I liked to think the tinderbox was something you

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new qt category

2013-01-17 Thread Alexander Berntsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 - -1 here. It's a too specific category name. I can appreciate it easing the headaches for the maintainers, but from a design POV I dislike it. (For the record I also dislike KDE/GNOME/XFCE-categories.) - -- Alexander alexan...@plaimi.net

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in virtual/ffmpeg: ffmpeg-9.ebuild ChangeLog ffmpeg-0.10.2-r1.ebuild

2013-01-17 Thread Peter Stuge
Samuli Suominen wrote: I almost changed it back myself already but to avoid stupid commit wars didn't. Interesting comment considering how blazing fast you were to commit a change of the default for another forked project. It's just another fork, not an upgrade. Interesting comment indeed.

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: new qt category

2013-01-17 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 18/01/2013 01:11, Alexander Berntsen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 - -1 here. It's a too specific category name. I can appreciate it easing the headaches for the maintainers, but from a design POV I dislike it. (For the record I also dislike

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new qt category

2013-01-17 Thread viv...@gmail.com
Il 17/01/2013 14:57, Ben de Groot ha scritto: Hi guys, Presently we already have a good number of split qt-* library packages in x11-libs. With the arrival of Qt5 upstream has gone a lot further in modularization, so we expect the number of packages to grow much more. We, the Gentoo Qt team,

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new qt category

2013-01-17 Thread Ben de Groot
On 17 January 2013 22:05, Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote: On 17/01/2013 14:57, Ben de Groot wrote: After some initial bikeshedding we came to the conclusion that naming the category simply qt is the most elegant solution. We will then also be dropping the qt- prefix in package

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new qt category

2013-01-17 Thread Ben de Groot
On 17 January 2013 22:09, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn chith...@gentoo.org wrote: Ben de Groot schrieb: This category is to be used for the various modules and applications that belong to the upstream Qt Framework only (these include e.g. assistant and linguist). Third-party applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in virtual/ffmpeg: ffmpeg-9.ebuild ChangeLog ffmpeg-0.10.2-r1.ebuild

2013-01-17 Thread Luca Barbato
On 17/01/13 15:07, Alexis Ballier wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 10:41:58 +0100 Tomáš Chvátal tomas.chva...@gmail.com wrote: [...] So yes it works and should not pose any issues to user. I also announced it over blog to get people report more issues they find out so I can be really sure it works

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in virtual/ffmpeg: ffmpeg-9.ebuild ChangeLog ffmpeg-0.10.2-r1.ebuild

2013-01-17 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 15:10:18 +0100 Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote: On 17/01/2013 15:00, Alexis Ballier wrote: I was only pointing out that ffmpeg isn't a one person thing, it's much more that this one (or more) person who insulted you. You weren't pointing that out at

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: new qt category

2013-01-17 Thread Alexander Berntsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 17/01/13 15:25, Michael Palimaka wrote: Where would you place the 300ish KDE core packages then? In whatever generic category they belong. I understand that the monolithic nature makes it difficult from a maintainer POV, but from a design POV it

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new qt category

2013-01-17 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 17/01/13 15:57, Ben de Groot wrote: Please let us know your thought on this. +1

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stable sys-devel/gcc USE flag changes

2013-01-17 Thread Peter Stuge
Rich Freeman wrote: I'd just stick with a simple parameter like --upgrade Yes please! or an alternative command name like emerge-update. Please no! Oh, here's another crazy thought. How about some directory in /etc that sets rules for emerge-update (or whatever we call it)? You might

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new qt category

2013-01-17 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 17/01/2013 15:33, Ben de Groot wrote: But is there any reason other than assumption to stick to foo-bar category names? Well I for one have used this before when I wanted to get informative build logs: virtual/ packages have no build logs whatsoever so I don't care to grep for them. It might

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stable sys-devel/gcc USE flag changes

2013-01-17 Thread Zac Medico
On 01/16/2013 04:00 PM, Michael Weber wrote: On 01/16/2013 06:33 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: Yes, sorry for the confusion. I use more than one package manager, and when doing an update or upgrade I'm basically flipping a coin. hehe, as long as we don't --dist-upgrade ;-) the g was

Re: [gentoo-dev] call for testers: udev predictable network interface names

2013-01-17 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 16/01/13 09:55 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: SUBSYSTEM==tty, DRIVERS==pl2303, KERNELS==4-1:1.0, KERNEL==ttyUSB*, SYMLINK=mythser/rca1 I'm not sure if rules are additive - if these symlinks would show up in addition to whatever other ones are

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stable sys-devel/gcc USE flag changes

2013-01-17 Thread Zac Medico
On 01/16/2013 09:32 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 01/16/2013 12:24 PM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: On 16/01/13 11:47 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 01/16/2013 11:36 AM, Michael Weber wrote: emerge --upgrade with a predefined EMERGE_UPGRADE_OPTS in make.conf (where EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS lives).

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stable sys-devel/gcc USE flag changes

2013-01-17 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 16/01/13 10:24 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Michael Weber x...@gentoo.org wrote: how does portage @preserved-libs work? maybe we could emerge @update[s] and @glsa. @glsa actually makes a lot of sense. I'm not

[gentoo-dev] Re: Debian patching KDE to use /etc for configuration

2013-01-17 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 17/01/13 12:36 AM, Alec Warner wrote: for example, on ubuntu: org.debian.apt.policy contains the policies for apt. action id=org.debian.apt.install-or-remove-packages description gettext-domain=aptdaemonInstall or remove

Re: [gentoo-dev] About using a CONFIGURATION (or SETUP) file under /usr/share/doc for configuration information

2013-01-17 Thread Pacho Ramos
El lun, 14-01-2013 a las 01:29 -0800, Zac Medico escribió: On 01/13/2013 04:59 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: El dom, 13-01-2013 a las 04:54 -0800, Zac Medico escribió: On 01/13/2013 04:18 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: What about this approach? You should use ${SLOT%/*}, in order to exclude the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Debian patching KDE to use /etc for configuration

2013-01-17 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: Uh.. I thought polkit .policy files are deprecated with the new polkits, the ones that depend on spidermonkey and use javascript to do their all their processing? The .ini-style …/polkit-1/localauthority/*/*.pkla files

Re: [gentoo-dev] About using a CONFIGURATION (or SETUP) file under /usr/share/doc for configuration information

2013-01-17 Thread Zac Medico
On 01/17/2013 07:17 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: El lun, 14-01-2013 a las 01:29 -0800, Zac Medico escribió: On 01/13/2013 04:59 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: El dom, 13-01-2013 a las 04:54 -0800, Zac Medico escribió: On 01/13/2013 04:18 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: What about this approach? You should use

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new qt category

2013-01-17 Thread Ulrich Mueller
On Thu, 17 Jan 2013, Ben de Groot wrote: Presently we already have a good number of split qt-* library packages in x11-libs. With the arrival of Qt5 upstream has gone a lot further in modularization, so we expect the number of packages to grow much more. We, the Gentoo Qt team, are of the

Re: [gentoo-dev] About using a CONFIGURATION (or SETUP) file under /usr/share/doc for configuration information

2013-01-17 Thread Pacho Ramos
El jue, 17-01-2013 a las 07:47 -0800, Zac Medico escribió: [...] Here are a few problems I see with readme.gentoo_print_elog: 1) contains duplication of code 2) [[ -f ${FILESDIR}/README.gentoo-${SLOT%/*} ]] condition seems wrong, shouldn't it just use [[ -f ${T}/README.gentoo ]] since

Re: [gentoo-dev] About using a CONFIGURATION (or SETUP) file under /usr/share/doc for configuration information

2013-01-17 Thread Zac Medico
On 01/17/2013 08:00 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: Another try ;) Looks good to me. -- Thanks, Zac

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stable sys-devel/gcc USE flag changes

2013-01-17 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/17/2013 09:52 AM, Zac Medico wrote: I strongly believe that it shouldn't; nevertheless, it does. You can avoid this by adding --select=n to EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS. Then, if you want to add something to world, use --select (or -w in latest portage which isn't marked stable yet). This

Re: [gentoo-dev] call for testers: udev predictable network interface names

2013-01-17 Thread Peter Stuge
Tobias Klausmann wrote: It has been rather nifty that if I walk up to a random machine with exactly one NIC (that I've been asked to examine/fix), I _know_ that there will be eth0 and only that. Only as long as that system hasn't seen *another* NIC first, if it has persistent interface name

Re: [gentoo-dev] About using a CONFIGURATION (or SETUP) file under /usr/share/doc for configuration information

2013-01-17 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 07:47:18 -0800 Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote: REPLACING_VERSIONS always refers to packages with identical SLOT to the current package No it doesn't. If you have foo-1:a and foo-2:b installed, and then you install foo-1:b, it replaces both 1:a and 2:b. -- Ciaran

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new qt category

2013-01-17 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 15:05:53 +0100 Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote: On 17/01/2013 14:57, Ben de Groot wrote: After some initial bikeshedding we came to the conclusion that naming the category simply qt is the most elegant solution. We will then also be dropping the qt-

Re: [gentoo-dev] About using a CONFIGURATION (or SETUP) file under /usr/share/doc for configuration information

2013-01-17 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 17/01/13 11:00 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: Another try ;) There doesn't seem to be any logic here to check if the README.gentoo that was previously installed has differed from the one that will be installed (if they differ then the changes

Re: [gentoo-dev] About using a CONFIGURATION (or SETUP) file under /usr/share/doc for configuration information

2013-01-17 Thread Pacho Ramos
El jue, 17-01-2013 a las 11:54 -0500, Ian Stakenvicius escribió: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 17/01/13 11:00 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: Another try ;) There doesn't seem to be any logic here to check if the README.gentoo that was previously installed has

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new qt category

2013-01-17 Thread James Cloos
CM == Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com writes: CM Which is a good thing, since it will force people to stop making CM incorrect assumptions. No, its a bad thing because it makes it harder to grep out the non category dirs. -JimC -- James Cloos cl...@jhcloos.com OpenPGP:

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new qt category

2013-01-17 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 12:05:03 -0500 James Cloos cl...@jhcloos.com wrote: CM == Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com writes: CM Which is a good thing, since it will force people to stop making CM incorrect assumptions. No, its a bad thing because it makes it harder to grep out the

Re: [gentoo-dev] About using a CONFIGURATION (or SETUP) file under /usr/share/doc for configuration information

2013-01-17 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 17/01/13 12:02 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: How could we handle different compressors people can use? Depending on that README.gentoo will change its name ending with gz, bz2, xz... Maybe we could use README.gentoo*... Right; I didn't

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stable sys-devel/gcc USE flag changes

2013-01-17 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 17/01/13 11:31 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 01/17/2013 09:52 AM, Zac Medico wrote: I strongly believe that it shouldn't; nevertheless, it does. You can avoid this by adding --select=n to EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS. Then, if you want to add

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new qt category

2013-01-17 Thread James Cloos
BdG == Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org writes: BdG After some initial bikeshedding we came to the conclusion that naming BdG the category simply qt is the most elegant solution. We will then BdG also be dropping the qt- prefix in package names. This means BdG x11-libs/qt-core will be moved to

Re: [gentoo-dev] About using a CONFIGURATION (or SETUP) file under /usr/share/doc for configuration information

2013-01-17 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 17/01/13 11:47 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 07:47:18 -0800 Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote: REPLACING_VERSIONS always refers to packages with identical SLOT to the current package No it doesn't. If you have foo-1:a

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new qt category

2013-01-17 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 12:03:36 -0500 James Cloos cl...@jhcloos.com wrote: Every current category matches /^[a-z]+-[a-z]+$/. With the possible exception of adding moving from [a-z]+ to [a-z0-9]+, that shoud remain. Untrue. 'virtual' doesn't. If you want the rules for what constitutes a valid

Re: [gentoo-dev] About using a CONFIGURATION (or SETUP) file under /usr/share/doc for configuration information

2013-01-17 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 12:14:38 -0500 Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: On 17/01/13 11:47 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 07:47:18 -0800 Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote: REPLACING_VERSIONS always refers to packages with

[gentoo-dev] in-place SLOT updates on ebuilds?

2013-01-17 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 17/01/13 12:15 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: On 17/01/13 11:47 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: If you have foo-1:a and foo-2:b installed, and then you install foo-1:b, it replaces both 1:a and 2:b.

Re: [gentoo-dev] in-place SLOT updates on ebuilds?

2013-01-17 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 12:25:46 -0500 Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: On 17/01/13 12:15 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: On 17/01/13 11:47 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: If you have foo-1:a and foo-2:b

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stable sys-devel/gcc USE flag changes

2013-01-17 Thread Michael Orlitzky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/17/2013 12:11 PM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: ... so what's the problem here, exactly? I don't want @world to get screwed up, either by having unnecessary packages, or by missing ones we need. (a) 'emerge -u [pkg]' adds extra bits to @world

Re: [gentoo-dev] in-place SLOT updates on ebuilds?

2013-01-17 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 17/01/13 12:30 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 12:25:46 -0500 Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: On 17/01/13 12:15 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: On 17/01/13 11:47 AM, Ciaran McCreesh

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new qt category

2013-01-17 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 12:03:36 -0500 James Cloos cl...@jhcloos.com wrote: Every current category matches /^[a-z]+-[a-z]+$/. With the possible exception of adding moving from [a-z]+ to [a-z0-9]+, that shoud

Re: [gentoo-dev] About using a CONFIGURATION (or SETUP) file under /usr/share/doc for configuration information

2013-01-17 Thread Zac Medico
On 01/17/2013 08:47 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 07:47:18 -0800 Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote: REPLACING_VERSIONS always refers to packages with identical SLOT to the current package No it doesn't. If you have foo-1:a and foo-2:b installed, and then you install

Re: Debian patching KDE to use /etc for configuration (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: call for testers: udev predictable network interface names)

2013-01-17 Thread Kevin Chadwick
How about uncommenting a line that does so. All you are buying into is a default setup. App authors don't ship configs like that though. Does apt ship a sudo config? Does anything? Perhaps you missed my opening message on this topic, except it was in your first reply.

Re: [gentoo-dev] About using a CONFIGURATION (or SETUP) file under /usr/share/doc for configuration information

2013-01-17 Thread Pacho Ramos
El jue, 17-01-2013 a las 12:11 -0500, Ian Stakenvicius escribió: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 17/01/13 12:02 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: How could we handle different compressors people can use? Depending on that README.gentoo will change its name ending with gz,

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new qt category

2013-01-17 Thread Chris Reffett
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/17/2013 08:57 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: Hi guys, Presently we already have a good number of split qt-* library packages in x11-libs. With the arrival of Qt5 upstream has gone a lot further in modularization, so we expect the number of

Re: [gentoo-dev] call for testers: udev predictable network interface names

2013-01-17 Thread Tobias Klausmann
Hi! On Thu, 17 Jan 2013, Peter Stuge wrote: Tobias Klausmann wrote: It has been rather nifty that if I walk up to a random machine with exactly one NIC (that I've been asked to examine/fix), I _know_ that there will be eth0 and only that. Only as long as that system hasn't seen

Re: [gentoo-dev] removing the server profiles...

2013-01-17 Thread Zac Medico
On 01/17/2013 12:32 AM, Dustin C. Hatch wrote: On 1/16/2013 11:32, Alexis Ballier wrote: Other option: kill the server subprofiles, keep profiles/target/server and let people finally set /etc/make.profile as a dir and play with multiple inheritance. We don't need dozens of subprofiles with

Re: [gentoo-dev] January stabilization candidates

2013-01-17 Thread Thomas Beierlein
On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 14:49:52 -0800 Paweł Hajdan, Jr. phajdan...@gentoo.org wrote: Please review attached automatically generated stabilization candidates for January. # tomjbe media-libs/hamlib-1.2.15.3 media-radio/tlf-1.1.5 media-radio/xastir-2.0.4 are good to go. I put stable requests in

[gentoo-dev] Lastrites: app-misc/secure-delete, app-misc/ccal, www-apache/mod_vhs, app-portage/epm, www-apps/online-bookmarks, sys-apps/i2c

2013-01-17 Thread Pacho Ramos
# Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org # Dead since 2003, doesn't work with journaling filesystems. # Also collides with dev-util/smem (#288721). Removal in a month. app-misc/secure-delete # Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org # No upstream, doesn't work well (#350559). Removal in a month. app-misc/ccal #

Re: [gentoo-dev] removing the server profiles...

2013-01-17 Thread Christopher Head
On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:17:26 -0500 Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: Oh, and keep in mind that flags really only have an effect if the corresponding packages are actually installed. For example, the cups flag doesn't really have an effect unless you install apps that do printing, so it

Re: [gentoo-dev] removing the server profiles...

2013-01-17 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Christopher Head ch...@chead.ca wrote: On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:17:26 -0500 Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: Oh, and keep in mind that flags really only have an effect if the corresponding packages are actually installed. For example, the cups flag doesn't

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new qt category

2013-01-17 Thread James Cloos
CM == Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com writes: CM That's what's known as doing it wrong. You should be querying your CM package mangler for a list of categories, not doing an 'ls'. ls(1) isn't relevant. find(1) is. grep(1) is. There are others. Using the 'package managers'

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new qt category

2013-01-17 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 14:35:12 -0500 James Cloos cl...@jhcloos.com wrote: CM == Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com writes: CM That's what's known as doing it wrong. You should be querying CM your package mangler for a list of categories, not doing an 'ls'. ls(1) isn't relevant.

[gentoo-dev] New policy for retirements

2013-01-17 Thread Pacho Ramos
Hello After long discussion in mail alias we have modified current policy of start pinging people for status and retirement if inactive after two months of inactivity to the following: 1. You will get a mail suggesting you to update your status and get your packages reassigned when appropriate if

Re: [gentoo-dev] removing the server profiles...

2013-01-17 Thread Christopher Head
On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 14:32:01 -0500 Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: Sure, I can think of reasons why I would want chromium with -cups, but the whole point is to target the TYPICAL user. And the context here is servers - how many servers would have chromium installed with -cups? If

Re: [gentoo-dev] removing the server profiles...

2013-01-17 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Christopher Head ch...@chead.ca wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 14:32:01 -0500 Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: Sure, I can think of reasons why I would want chromium with -cups, but the whole point is to target the TYPICAL user. And the context here is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrites: app-misc/secure-delete, app-misc/ccal, www-apache/mod_vhs, app-portage/epm, www-apps/online-bookmarks, sys-apps/i2c

2013-01-17 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: # Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org # Dead since 2003, doesn't work with journaling filesystems. # Also collides with dev-util/smem (#288721). Removal in a month. app-misc/secure-delete Is this a good enough reason for removal?

Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrites: app-misc/secure-delete, app-misc/ccal, www-apache/mod_vhs, app-portage/epm, www-apps/online-bookmarks, sys-apps/i2c

2013-01-17 Thread Pacho Ramos
El jue, 17-01-2013 a las 22:25 +0200, Maxim Kammerer escribió: On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: # Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org # Dead since 2003, doesn't work with journaling filesystems. # Also collides with dev-util/smem (#288721). Removal in a month.

Re: [gentoo-dev] removing the server profiles...

2013-01-17 Thread Markos Chandras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 01/17/2013 08:02 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Christopher Head ch...@chead.ca wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 14:32:01 -0500 Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: Sure, I can think of reasons why I would want chromium

Re: [gentoo-dev] call for testers: udev predictable network interface names

2013-01-17 Thread William Hubbs
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 07:44:39PM +0100, Tobias Klausmann wrote: Hi! On Thu, 17 Jan 2013, Peter Stuge wrote: Tobias Klausmann wrote: It has been rather nifty that if I walk up to a random machine with exactly one NIC (that I've been asked to examine/fix), I _know_ that there will

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new qt category

2013-01-17 Thread Georg Rudoy
2013/1/17 Chris Reffett creff...@gentoo.org: but I think dropping the qt- prefix will lead to overly generic/already existing package names: gui declarative dbus core opengl etc. I don't see any value from dropping the prefix that would justify this. +1. -- Georg Rudoy LeechCraft —

Re: [gentoo-dev] DNSSEC (w/ DLV) live on *.dev.gentoo.org

2013-01-17 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 10:36:31PM +, Robin H. Johnson wrote: If there are no problems reported by Jan 17th, I'm going to complete the DNSSEC configuration on gentoo.org and remaining delegated sub-domains. Everything is in place except the final trust binding from the org. zone to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrites: app-misc/secure-delete, app-misc/ccal, www-apache/mod_vhs, app-portage/epm, www-apps/online-bookmarks, sys-apps/i2c

2013-01-17 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: In summary, what does occur when people try to use it with journaling systems? The journal is not cleared. On ext3/4, this usually means metadata — see [1] for more details. All in all, secure-delete has its uses. What are

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new qt category

2013-01-17 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Donnerstag, 17. Januar 2013, 14:57:16 schrieb Ben de Groot: After some initial bikeshedding we came to the conclusion that naming the category simply qt is the most elegant solution. We will then also be dropping the qt- prefix in package names. This means x11-libs/qt-core will be moved

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new qt category

2013-01-17 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote: Am Donnerstag, 17. Januar 2013, 14:57:16 schrieb Ben de Groot: After some initial bikeshedding we came to the conclusion that naming the category simply qt is the most elegant solution. We will then also be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrites: app-misc/secure-delete, app-misc/ccal, www-apache/mod_vhs, app-portage/epm, www-apps/online-bookmarks, sys-apps/i2c

2013-01-17 Thread Michael Weber
On 01/17/2013 11:42 PM, Maxim Kammerer wrote: The journal is not cleared. On ext3/4, this usually means metadata — see [1] for more details. All in all, secure-delete has its uses. What are people supposed to use instead, dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/sdcard/naked_gf_0001.jpg? Besides, there are

Re: [gentoo-dev] DNSSEC (w/ DLV) live on *.dev.gentoo.org

2013-01-17 Thread Michael Weber
On 01/17/2013 11:36 PM, Robin H. Johnson wrote: On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 10:36:31PM +, Robin H. Johnson wrote: If there are no problems reported by Jan 17th, I'm going to complete the DNSSEC configuration on gentoo.org and remaining delegated sub-domains. Everything is in place except the

Re: [gentoo-dev] DNSSEC (w/ DLV) live on *.dev.gentoo.org

2013-01-17 Thread Michael Weber
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 01/08/2013 12:39 AM, Benjamin Lee wrote: On 01/07/2013 06:34 AM, Maxim Kammerer wrote: browser plugins? Also, how widespread is client DNSSEC support? E.g., I enabled DNSSEC for my domain, but not sure yet whether DNS resolution anywhere will

Re: [gentoo-dev] DNSSEC (w/ DLV) live on *.dev.gentoo.org

2013-01-17 Thread Michael Weber
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=435372 -- Michael Weber Gentoo Developer web: https://xmw.de/ mailto: Michael Weber x...@gentoo.org

[gentoo-dev] Re: Stable sys-devel/gcc USE flag changes

2013-01-17 Thread Duncan
Michael Orlitzky posted on Thu, 17 Jan 2013 11:31:53 -0500 as excerpted: In either case, to keep your world file accurate, you have to remember to type an additional useless parameter every time you run the command. When you're running depclean, you have to cross your fingers and hope nobody

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in virtual/ffmpeg: ffmpeg-9.ebuild ChangeLog ffmpeg-0.10.2-r1.ebuild

2013-01-17 Thread Duncan
Diego Elio Pettenò posted on Thu, 17 Jan 2013 15:10:18 +0100 as excerpted: And all of them are invited to either decide to let me decide how to spend my time and dime, or actually pay me for said time. To be clear I'm not in a position to offer, and I definitely respect and value your

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in virtual/ffmpeg: ffmpeg-9.ebuild ChangeLog ffmpeg-0.10.2-r1.ebuild

2013-01-17 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 1:32 AM, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: To be clear I'm not in a position to offer, and I definitely respect and value your volunteer work, but suppose someone /was/ sufficiently interested in something like ffmpeg to be willing to pay for a tinderbox run on it.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrites: app-misc/secure-delete, app-misc/ccal, www-apache/mod_vhs, app-portage/epm, www-apps/online-bookmarks, sys-apps/i2c

2013-01-17 Thread Peter Stuge
Paul Arthur wrote: On 2013-01-17, Maxim Kammerer m...@dee.su wrote: All in all, secure-delete has its uses. What are people supposed to use instead, dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/sdcard/naked_gf_0001.jpg? Perhaps 'shred', which is part of coreutils? From man shred: CAUTION: Note

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrites: app-misc/secure-delete, app-misc/ccal, www-apache/mod_vhs, app-portage/epm, www-apps/online-bookmarks, sys-apps/i2c

2013-01-17 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote: CAUTION: Note that shred relies on a very important assumption: that the file system overwrites data in place. This is the traditional way to do things, but many modern file system designs do not

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new qt category

2013-01-17 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 17 January 2013 14:44:14 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 14:35:12 -0500 James Cloos wrote: CM == Ciaran McCreesh writes: CM That's what's known as doing it wrong. You should be querying CM your package mangler for a list of categories, not doing an 'ls'. ls(1)

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