On May 19, 2005, at 2:54 pm, A. Khattri wrote:
Gentoo is an excellent distro, with one of the most comprehensive
repositories of packages of any Linux distribution. It is powerful and
excellently constructed. But to say maintenance and upgrading is easy
is
like saying Windows is as suitable as Un
On 5/18/05, Sad Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gentoo is different. Thats its strength as far as I can see. If I wanted
> a 'my computer' icon on my desktop, indeed if I wanted to be forced to
> use a desktop I could just take the easy way out and stay with windows.
Or if you are a KDE user, ju
For a number of reasons, its quite incomplete and inaccurate -
especially on older systems!
BillK
On Thu, 2005-05-19 at 09:09 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, May 19, 2005 2:12 am, Philip Webb said:
>
> > i don't even do the approved 'emerge world' in maintaining my system
> > & i rely on a
On Thu, 19 May 2005 13:51:49 -0400, Philip Webb wrote:
> BTW the response "if you do 'emerge -blah world' everything's hunky-
> dory" ignores the fact that some -- most ? -- users don't want to
> update 'world', which can take hours, eg if OpenOffice is one of the
> pkgs in 'world' (currently ther
>
> I've only done the discriminating based on other people's non use of
> Gentoo. :-)
My brother's father-in-law has just retired and spends all his time in
front of his computer. I have tried to get him onto linux but am a
little too far away to do it effectively. His son has a mate that i
On Thu, 19 May 2005, Philip Webb wrote:
> > I'd also like to see portage keeping it in alphapetical order.
> > At the moment it is a mess because of that *too*.
>
> yes, that's a 2nd issue with the current state of things.
Not that it matters much unless you spend great amounts of time looking at
050519 Tero Grundstr?m wrote:
> On Thu, 19 May 2005, Philip Webb wrote:
>> i don't even do the approved 'emerge world' in maintaining my system
-- various snips --
> I'd also like to see portage keeping it in alphapetical order.
> At the moment it is a mess because of that *too*.
yes, that's a 2
On 5/19/05, Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2005 3:37 pm, Philip Webb said:
> > 050519 Neil Bothwick wrote:
>
> >> What is the world file
> >> if not a home made list of the packages you have installed?
> >
> > it's not home-made, it's system-made:
>
> It is home mad
On Thu, May 19, 2005 3:37 pm, Philip Webb said:
> 050519 Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> What is the world file
>> if not a home made list of the packages you have installed?
>
> it's not home-made, it's system-made:
It is home made in that only files I specify to be included in it, by
emerging them dir
Jonathan Nichols wrote:
to a LUG. I will admit that this particular LUG was populated by some
serious dyed in the wool longhair-ed hippie types complete with
oddball PhD's in dead languages. Having had a haircut that month it
was apparently impossible that I actually already used Linux so I was
On Thu, 19 May 2005, Tero Grundström wrote:
> You can tell them that while a Gentoo user may have to wait some hours for
> a new version of KDE to compile, it may be available to Gentoo users
> days/weeks/months earlier than to those using other distros.
Indeed.
You certainly dont see this level
Sorry list, was sending the thread to a friend who uses linux and is
a bit frustrated with his current gentoo install - hit reply instead
for forward . .
Keith
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to a LUG. I will admit that this particular LUG was populated by some
serious dyed in the wool longhair-ed hippie types complete with oddball
PhD's in dead languages. Having had a haircut that month it was
apparently impossible that I actually already used Linux so I was
Us long haired Linux
Check out the prejudice in this one. . . .
This guy kashani has a remarkable understanding of linux and networking
aside from the current thread.
On May 18, 2005, at 6:58 PM, kashani wrote:
Grant wrote:
Out of curiosity, who here would say they have experienced any type of
emotional discriminatio
> Depends what yardstick you are comparing against - if you've never had to
> maintain RH boxes for instance you wouldn't know how much easier Gentoo
> really is.
Amen to that. That goes double for old hardware.
Creighton
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Grant wrote:
> Out of curiosity, who here would say they have experienced any type of
> emotional discrimination because they use Gentoo? I find this in
> correspondence with other Linux people sometimes. Is Gentoo far
> enough "out there" to warrant this type of attitude? It seems like
> these
On Thu, 19 May 2005, Philip Webb wrote:
> 050519 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Thu, May 19, 2005 2:12 am, Philip Webb said:
> >> i don't even do the approved 'emerge world' in maintaining my system
> >> & i rely on a home-made list of packages i've installed,
> > What is the world file
> > if not a
050519 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, May 19, 2005 2:12 am, Philip Webb said:
>> i don't even do the approved 'emerge world' in maintaining my system
>> & i rely on a home-made list of packages i've installed,
> What is the world file
> if not a home made list of the packages you have installed?
i
On Wed, 18 May 2005, Pingveno wrote:
> Bit of a pet peeve here: making things look easier than they really are.
> I do quite a bit of emerging of packages that aren't stable yet. I have
> an installation of PHP 5 that, if upgraded from its current version
> (mod_php-5.0.3-r1) would cause an update
On Wed, 18 May 2005, Pingveno wrote:
> If a Gentoo system uses entirely stable packages, upgrades are a simple
> command away. But then you have to wait hours, even days, for much of
> the system to be recompiled. It's more than most users would tolerate.
> There are reasons many roll their eyes w
On Thu, May 19, 2005 2:12 am, Philip Webb said:
> i don't even do the approved 'emerge world' in maintaining my system
> & i rely on a home-made list of packages i've installed,
What is the world file if not a home made list of the packages you have
installed?
--
Neil Bothwick
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gentoo-u
S. Bergeron wrote:
Except you cannot do good QA on source-based packages, because there are
too many variables involved. You build a binary, test the hell out of
it. If it works as it's supposed to, you release it. If not, you
patch, rebuild, and test again.
You also don't change software re
On Thu, 19 May 2005 00:50:44 -0400 "S. Bergeron "
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| Except you cannot do good QA on source-based packages, because there
| are too many variables involved.
I'd disagree on that one. If you take that view, there're already too
many variables to do good QA even with binar
On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 12:05:38AM -0400, A. Khattri wrote:
> I am a programmer and a systems administrator who has been using Linux
> since it started (on a 486DX PC!). I was a long-time RedHat user and
> dabbled in Debian and a few other distros.
Then I would assume you understand why a source-b
Bit of a pet peeve here: making things look easier than they really are.
I do quite a bit of emerging of packages that aren't stable yet. I have
an installation of PHP 5 that, if upgraded from its current version
(mod_php-5.0.3-r1) would cause an update of Apache to an unstable
version, which w
Nah, my friend was talking about how iPods suck. (I disagree, BTW, plus
he hates Macs. Even the new dual-G5 Power Macs.) He said that once you
copy your files to it, then it automatically synchs with iTunes, so you
can't just use it like a hard drive and copy off the music due to the
FairPl
Grant wrote:
A discussion about "enterprise linux distros" came up, and my old boss
(who is a complete idiot) turned and looked at me and said "And Gentoo
will *never* be one of those distributions.." before going back to his
conversation.
Nice description. You make me want to punch that guy in t
A. Khattri wrote:
On Wed, 18 May 2005, Colin wrote:
Nah, my friend was talking about how iPods suck. (I disagree, BTW, plus
he hates Macs. Even the new dual-G5 Power Macs.) He said that once you
copy your files to it, then it automatically synchs with iTunes, so you
can't just use it like a h
On Wed, 18 May 2005, Colin wrote:
> Nah, my friend was talking about how iPods suck. (I disagree, BTW, plus
> he hates Macs. Even the new dual-G5 Power Macs.) He said that once you
> copy your files to it, then it automatically synchs with iTunes, so you
> can't just use it like a hard drive
S
On Wed, 18 May 2005, Jonathan Nichols wrote:
> A discussion about "enterprise linux distros" came up, and my old boss
> (who is a complete idiot) turned and looked at me and said "And Gentoo
> will *never* be one of those distributions.." before going back to his
> conversation.
> The Gentoo serve
I get bombed all the time in IRC and called "your one of those gentoo
users" and usually kicked and banned just for saying i use gentoo.
Doesnt matter to me I dont care what people use as long as it isnt
windoze. Do and use what makes you happy as long as it isnt windows!!
On Wed, 2005-05-18 at
On Wed, May 18, 2005 at 08:58:58PM -0500, kashani wrote:
> Grant wrote:
>
> I've only done the discriminating based on other people's non use of
> Gentoo. :-)
I don't really care what people run, so long as it makes sense for their
environment. I have machines running NeXTstep and GNU/Hu
> He said that once you
> copy your files to it, then it automatically synchs with iTunes, so you
> can't just use it like a hard drive and copy off the music due to the
> FairPlay DRM. My other iBook, iTunes and iPod-owning friend said he was
> right.
Bollocks. I actually own an iPod (40GB, 4th
Grant wrote:
Out of curiosity, who here would say they have experienced any type of
emotional discrimination because they use Gentoo? I find this in
correspondence with other Linux people sometimes. Is Gentoo far
enough "out there" to warrant this type of attitude? It seems like
these people are
Grant wrote:
Out of curiosity, who here would say they have experienced any type of
emotional discrimination because they use Gentoo? I find this in
correspondence with other Linux people sometimes. Is Gentoo far
enough "out there" to warrant this type of attitude? It seems like
these people are
At the place where I work, there are a couple of blokes that use linux
too, when I told them that I use Gentoo and even that it is by far the best
distro I have used IMHO, they immediately said something like this:
"What? you use Gentoo? Oh, so you use it just because you want to
compile the kern
050518 Grant wrote:
> Out of curiosity, who here would say they have experienced
> any type of emotional discrimination because they use Gentoo?
no, except occasionally on Gentoo mailing-lists (grin).
> I find this in correspondence with other Linux people sometimes.
> Is Gentoo far enough "out t
> A discussion about "enterprise linux distros" came up, and my old boss
> (who is a complete idiot) turned and looked at me and said "And Gentoo
> will *never* be one of those distributions.." before going back to his
> conversation.
Nice description. You make me want to punch that guy in the fa
Grant wrote:
Out of curiosity, who here would say they have experienced any type of
emotional discrimination because they use Gentoo? I find this in
correspondence with other Linux people sometimes. Is Gentoo far
enough "out there" to warrant this type of attitude? It seems like
these people are
Grant wrote:
Out of curiosity, who here would say they have experienced any type of
emotional discrimination because they use Gentoo? I find this in
correspondence with other Linux people sometimes. Is Gentoo far
enough "out there" to warrant this type of attitude? It seems like
these people are
On Thu, 19 May 2005 11:47:45 +1200 Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| Most of it is pretty good natured though, and there are a good number
| of "converts". I think like all proselyting, it pays to be balanced in
| your advocacy and then people will respect you. OTOH try and sell
| gentoo, or a
In our local LUG (city in new zealand, 400k people plus hinterland,
about 250 on the mailing list and some of them are out of town) we have
a few gentoo zealots, and have run a few gentoo installfests.
Often on the email list there are people saying "i can't get foo to work
on distro X because t
On Wed, May 18, 2005 at 03:13:37PM -0700, Grant wrote:
> Out of curiosity, who here would say they have experienced any type of
> emotional discrimination because they use Gentoo? I find this in
> correspondence with other Linux people sometimes. Is Gentoo far
> enough "out there" to warrant thi
> I cant say I have, then again I tower over everyone at my college, so
> few ever pass any negative comments my way. I have had respect, as
> gentoo is percieved as one of the harder distributions to use (actually
> some rate it the hardest except linux from scratch) from the IT department.
>
>
Grant wrote:
>Out of curiosity, who here would say they have experienced any type of
>emotional discrimination because they use Gentoo? I find this in
>correspondence with other Linux people sometimes. Is Gentoo far
>enough "out there" to warrant this type of attitude? It seems like
>these peop
Grant wrote:
>Out of curiosity, who here would say they have experienced any type of
>emotional discrimination because they use Gentoo? I find this in
>correspondence with other Linux people sometimes. Is Gentoo far
>enough "out there" to warrant this type of attitude? It seems like
>these peop
> At least on
> Gentoo I can get any application I want without all the problems of
> RPM hell.
That was the big draw for me.
emerge sync
+
emerge -avDuN world
=
up-to-date system
Awesome.
- Grant
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Ryan Viljoen wrote:
> Hahah I get batted by my friends regularly about using Gentoo and not
> Suse and such. Apparently it requires to much constructive work to
> keep it running or get it running for that matter but then they dont
> understand anything about keeping your system uptodate with and e
On 5/18/05, Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Out of curiosity, who here would say they have experienced any type of
> emotional discrimination because they use Gentoo? I find this in
> correspondence with other Linux people sometimes. Is Gentoo far
> enough "out there" to warrant this type of a
On Wed, 18 May 2005 15:27:25 -0700 Alan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| I think anyone whose been to the site: http://funroll-loops.org/
| should be able to understand why. Gentoo has attracted a fair number
| of people who think that they are linux gurus because they install
| gentoo and are out the
On Wed, May 18, 2005 at 03:13:37PM -0700, Grant wrote:
> Out of curiosity, who here would say they have experienced any type of
> emotional discrimination because they use Gentoo? I find this in
> correspondence with other Linux people sometimes. Is Gentoo far
> enough "out there" to warrant this
Hahah I get batted by my friends regularly about using Gentoo and not
Suse and such. Apparently it requires to much constructive work to
keep it running or get it running for that matter but then they dont
understand anything about keeping your system uptodate with and emerge
--synce emerge --world
Out of curiosity, who here would say they have experienced any type of
emotional discrimination because they use Gentoo? I find this in
correspondence with other Linux people sometimes. Is Gentoo far
enough "out there" to warrant this type of attitude? It seems like
these people are conservative
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