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>
> I still have and use the last version of SPF/PC (4.0.7) from CTC. It's a DOS
> program with an in-built DOS extender. CTC stopped supporting it in the
> 1990's.
>
> On 26/01/2021 15:21, PINION, RICHARD W. wrote:
>> Do
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To summarize:
1. You don't think it's necessary to have editor features like code
completion, refactoring, hover-help, syntax highlighting or static code
analysis.
2. Writing macros is an absolute must even if the editor
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On 31/01/2021 10:49 am, Seymour J Metz wrote:
Did it ever occur to you that when you write things that people know to be
false, they're less likely
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On 31/01/2021 10:49 am, Seymour
On 31/01/2021 10:49 am, Seymour J Metz wrote:
Did it ever occur to you that when you write things that people know to be
false, they're less likely to believe what you write about other matters?
Shrug! I could care less what you think. You're understanding of
mainframe technology seems to
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On 30/01/2021 3:44 am, Seymour J Metz wrote:
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On Fri, 29 Jan 2021, at 03:27, David Crayford wrote:
No offense taken. You may find it far fetched but it's true. I'm
cognizant to the fact that most folks
On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 03:31:46 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>I knew about acoustic delay lines, but a mechanical delay line is mind
>boggling! Thanks.
>
I might call it circularly polarized transverse acoustic. The quanta are
still phonons. I wonder what the propagation velocity is?
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Seymour Wrote:
*I would guess that there are more people here who have written a text
editor than there are who have used only one.*
True, I inherited one written in COBOL for a Sycor
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On 30/01/2021 6:42 am, Wayne Bickerdike wrote:
> Necessity is the mother of invention. Glad someone invented ISPF edit
> macros. Others have a different vi(ew!)
It's going to take a lot more than a few ISP
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>Depends heavily on the editor software. One editor I remember trying (I don't
>remember which one now) used Ctrl-left-click to start and end a
On 30/01/2021 6:42 am, Wayne Bickerdike wrote:
Necessity is the mother of invention. Glad someone invented ISPF edit
macros. Others have a different vi(ew!)
It's going to take a lot more than a few ISPF edit macros to implement
what's available in the new generation of mainframe IDEs Wayne! A
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>
> On Fri, 29 Jan 2021, at 03:27, David Crayford wrote:
>
> > No offense taken. You may find it far fetched but it's true. I'm
> > cognizant to t
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021, at 19:29, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 19:06:55 +, Jeremy Nicoll wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 29 Jan 2021, at 03:27, David Crayford wrote:
> >...
> >Later, I wrote a PF-key driven editor (that is users did not have to
> >remember any commands; everything they
of
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On Fri, 29 Jan 2021, at 03:27, David Crayford wrote:
> No offense taken. You may find it far fetched but it's true. I'm
> cognizant to th
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On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 19:06:55 +, Jeremy Nicoll wrote:
>On Fri, 29 Jan 2021, at 03:27, David Crayford wrote:
>...
>Later, I wrote a PF-key driven editor (that is users did not have to
>remember any commands; everything they did was selected by
>pressing various PF keys whose labels (and
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021, at 03:27, David Crayford wrote:
> No offense taken. You may find it far fetched but it's true. I'm
> cognizant to the fact that most folks on here only know ISPF
> and have no experience of using an IDE or text editor
> like vim or emacs.
I think it's pretty likely that
On 29/01/2021 4:40 am, Bob Bridges wrote:
I didn't bother to reply to Mr Crayford's post; he seems to be saying that
he encounters no editing task nowadays that he can't do just as well
manually as if he wrote an editing program. I can't take that seriously.
(No offense intended; I may have
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On Thu, 28 Jan 2021, at 22:21, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> The term macro has been used for programs called from within the
> assembler since the 1950s, and the generated text was rescanned. In
> the TSO world, edit macro
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021, at 22:21, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> The term macro has been used for programs called from within the
> assembler since the 1950s, and the generated text was rescanned. In the
> TSO world, edit macros written in CLIST are subject to controlled
> rescans while edit macros
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All this is reminding me repeatedly of the time I
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On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 at 15:40, Bob Bridges wrote:
> By the way, what in y'all's opinion is the proper use of the w
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021, at 19:44, Jeremy Nicoll wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jan 2021, at 07:58, David Crayford wrote:
> > I think your the one missing the point. I can't remember the last time I
> > had to write a macro as I can do the things I need just using commands.
>
> I used Xedit (with macros I
for mainframe Linux
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021, at 20:21, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> KEXX? When I used KEDIT I found KEXX under powered for anything but key
> binding; KEDIT supported Quercus REXX, so I was home free. I just wish
> that KEDIT had been a larger subset of XEDIT, e.g., SET PENDING.
>
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On Thu, 28 Jan 2021, at 20:40, Bob Bridges wrote:
> By the way, what in y'all's opinion is the proper use of the word "macro"?
The classic computer science meaning is explained at:
https://secure-
On Jan 28, 2021, at 1:25 PM, Bob Bridges wrote:
>
> This is fascinating, and not a little disturbing. I have long understood
> that keyboard shortcuts that save me immense quantities of time won't help a
> coworker who won't take the time to learn them deep down, simply because he
> has to
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021, at 20:21, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> KEXX? When I used KEDIT I found KEXX under powered for anything but key
> binding; KEDIT supported Quercus REXX, so I was home free. I just wish
> that KEDIT had been a larger subset of XEDIT, e.g., SET PENDING.
>
> Fortunately most of my
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021, at 20:40, Bob Bridges wrote:
> By the way, what in y'all's opinion is the proper use of the word "macro"?
The classic computer science meaning is explained at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macro_(computer_science)
- it's where one character sequence is detected in a file
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 at 15:40, Bob Bridges wrote:
> By the way, what in y'all's opinion is the proper use of the word "macro"?
> I hear the term "Excel macro" all the time, for example, but how is it not,
> simply, a program? My own idea (not worth very much, but it is my own) is
> that a macro
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I didn't bother to reply to Mr Crayford's post; he seems to be saying that
he encounters no editing task nowadays that he can't do just as well
m
I didn't bother to reply to Mr Crayford's post; he seems to be saying that
he encounters no editing task nowadays that he can't do just as well
manually as if he wrote an editing program. I can't take that seriously.
(No offense intended; I may have misunderstood.)
Mr Nicoll got me thinking
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On Thu, 28 Jan 2021, at 07:58, David Crayford wrote:
> I think your the one missing the point. I can't remember the last time I
> had to write a macro as I can do the things I nee
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021, at 07:58, David Crayford wrote:
> I think your the one missing the point. I can't remember the last time I
> had to write a macro as I can do the things I need just using commands.
I used Xedit (with macros I wrote in EXEC or EXEC 2) for a few years in the
1980s, then moved
I've seen blind people be very productive with a keyboard. Mouse? No.
On Fri, Jan 29, 2021, 06:25 Bob Bridges wrote:
> This is fascinating, and not a little disturbing. I have long understood
> that keyboard shortcuts that save me immense quantities of time won't help
> a coworker who won't
This is fascinating, and not a little disturbing. I have long understood that
keyboard shortcuts that save me immense quantities of time won't help a
coworker who won't take the time to learn them deep down, simply because he has
to stop and think about what key sequence is the next step,
All this is reminding me repeatedly of the time I spent learning, and
eventually writing edit macros in, TECO, the singularly unintuitive text
editor on the DECsystem-10. Not that I'm moaning for it to come back...but
it was unexpectedly handy once I learned its ins and outs.
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Depends heavily on the editor software. One editor I remember trying (I don't
remember which one now) used Ctrl-left-click to start and end a block copy.
Quite easy to use, one hand for the mouse a
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 10:04:18 -0600, Joel C. Ewing wrote:
>...
>The worst of both worlds is a process that can only be done by a
>combination of mouse clicks and keyboard entry where a good typist must
>continually shift mouse hand between mouse and keyboard. Make that a
>repetitive process
ed.
Peter
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You have to carve the bird at the joints. How about a comparison of block copy
using keybo
, January 28, 2021 11:23 AM
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On Jan 28, 2021, at 10:04 AM, Joel C. Ewing wrote:
>
> I would be willing to bet the the stopwatch studies cited were based on
> a highly restricted cases.
The context was comparing command-key
On Jan 28, 2021, at 10:04 AM, Joel C. Ewing wrote:
>
> I would be willing to bet the the stopwatch studies cited were based on
> a highly restricted cases.
The context was comparing command-key sequences to clicking buttons or
selecting menu items. Remembering the command-key sequence takes as
On Jan 28, 2021, at 9:41 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>
> What tasks were they measuring? I suspect that with a good interface the
> keyboard is more productive for some tasks and the mouse more productive for
> others.
>
The linked article does include an exception:
“And, in fact, I find
I would be willing to bet the the stopwatch studies cited were based on
a highly restricted cases. A mouse is best where mouse movement is
limited to short moves with relatively large icons or menu selections as
a target, and where no significant data entry is required. Long mouse
moves
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On Jan 27, 2021, at 7:08 PM, David Crayford wrote:
>
> Because using a mouse is a productivity killer!
>
Is it?
“We’ve done a cool $50 million
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Do you do much coding these days? Or do you just pontificate on mailing lists ;)
> On 28 Jan 2021, at 11:01 pm, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>
> What you believe has no relation to reallity. Maybe the built-in commands of
> your editor are sufficient fo
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> I think your the one missing the point. I can't remember the last time I
to do.
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I think your
On Jan 27, 2021, at 7:08 PM, David Crayford wrote:
>
> Because using a mouse is a productivity killer!
>
Is it?
“We’ve done a cool $50 million of R & D on the Apple Human Interface. We
discovered, among other things, two pertinent facts:
• Test subjects consistently report that
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A REXX edit macro, that's great! In Vim I can position my cursor over a
function or keyword and press 'gd' to goto the defintion. It also has
plugins for code completion etc. All of this in a TUI
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A REXX edit macro, that's great! In Vim I can position my cursor over a
function or keyword
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On 28/01/2021 8:25 am, Seymour J Metz wrote:
Yes, and you can write macros for it. Still, when you have ISPF
> Then why do so many people complain about vi outside of mainframers?
Inside of mainframers, vi would be difficult to access
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Hi R'Shmuel AMV"SH,
I meant that your LOGON
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> Yes, and you can write macros for it. Still, when you have ISPF available
> there's litt
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Hi R'Shmuel AMV"SH,
I
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On 28/01/2021 12:20 am, Tom Brennan wrote:
> The last time I had any major Linux editing to do (writing a
> relatively large system in C, multiple modules, etc.) I used the
> editor that comes with Microsoft Visual Studio on Win 10, w
On 28/01/2021 12:20 am, Tom Brennan wrote:
The last time I had any major Linux editing to do (writing a
relatively large system in C, multiple modules, etc.) I used the
editor that comes with Microsoft Visual Studio on Win 10, with Samba
setup to automatically save the files from Windows over
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Sure ... unless ... your LOGON PRO
On 28/01/2021 12:19 am, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
Doesn't everybody know that 'G' takes you to the bottom of the file and
'gg' to the top;)
I didn't. I had been using '1G' for decades since I learned it.
Thanks for the hint.
Has Rocket ported Vim to z/OS?
Yes, and emacs. The terminfo
On 27/01/2021 10:43 pm, Steve Thompson wrote:
Then why do so many people complain about vi outside of mainframers?
Why are there other editors and even mods for vi if it is so wonderful?
Why does a modern GUI editor have key bindings for Vim?
https://github.com/VSCodeVim/Vim?
Because
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On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 13:03:50 -0800, Tom Brennan wrote:
>On 1/27/2021 12:58 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:
>> Nooo...! I use the cursor-down key all the time if I'm near the bottom
>>
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Sure ... unless ... your LOGON PROC got a JCL Error and you need to fix
it, or, possibly a DR
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I still have and use the last version of SPF/PC
for mainframe Linux
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 at 11:21, Tom Brennan wrote:
That's probably true, but around 2005 when I didn't have enough z/OS
work to do, I moved about half my time over to the dark side of AIX,
Linux, and at least a couple of other Unixes that I can't remember -
working with a bunch of folks
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> That's probably true, but around 2005 when I didn't have enough z/OS
> work to do, I moved about half m
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NANO. Easily the most ISPF-like of the Unix editors. That is all.
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>On 1/27/2021 12:58 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:
>> Nooo...! I use the cursor-down key all the time if I'm near the bottom
>> of the screen and want to be near the top. I would be seriously PO'd
>> if some ISPF-like program changed that to do any
NANO. Easily the most ISPF-like of the Unix editors. That is all.
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On 1/27/2021 1:00 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:
TSO "EDIT" is always available on z/OS... Doesn't even require a 3270!
Side story: Before I knew what an IBM mainframe was, I worked with
computer mapping on a PDP-something and there was a lady in the office
who was a user of the (remote) company
http://www.spflite.com/ is still around. Can it upload to z/Linux?
On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 9:22 AM PINION, RICHARD W.
wrote:
>
> Does anybody remember an ISPF product that ran under mainframe Linux from
> the early 2000's? And, does anybody remember Command Technology Corporation's
> SPF/PC?
On 1/27/2021 12:58 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:
Nooo...! I use the cursor-down key all the time if I'm near the bottom
of the screen and want to be near the top. I would be seriously PO'd
if some ISPF-like program changed that to do any kinf of scroll down,
whether line or screen at a time.
Ha ha!
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 at 11:21, Tom Brennan wrote:
> That's probably true, but around 2005 when I didn't have enough z/OS
> work to do, I moved about half my time over to the dark side of AIX,
> Linux, and at least a couple of other Unixes that I can't remember -
> working with a bunch of folks
On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 at 14:03, Paul Gilmartin
<000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 10:41:42 -0800, Tom Brennan wrote:
>
> >I haven't used SPF/PC in many years, but I do remember it doing things
> >that weren't possible via 3270, and those were sometimes a
On 1/27/2021 9:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
I did ask why (in the world) they used it, and they said because
it's always available by default - no install needed.
That is certainly a good reason for learning "The Editor From Hell". But isn't
emacs almost as common?
It may be, but they never
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Doesn't everybody know that 'G' takes you to the bottom of the file and
'gg
And then there are the marketing types that are clueless as to what protecting
the brand does to manual titles which also fouls up google and other search
Engines.
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mistaks
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Dana Mitchell wrote:
>I believe the current official name is IBMi running on IBM Power Systems.
It does make googl
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On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 15:44:46 +0800, David Crayford wrote:
>Doesn't everybody know that 'G' takes you to the bottom of the file and
>'gg' to the top ;)
>
I d
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 08:20:50 -0800, Tom Brennan wrote:
>... I don't
>remember a single complaint about vi from them. I did ask why (in the
>world) they used it, and they said because it's always available by
>default - no install needed.
>
I have been cautioned by old-timers that I should
On 1/27/2021 6:43 AM, Steve Thompson wrote:
Then why do so many people complain about vi outside of mainframers?
Why are there other editors and even mods for vi if it is so wonderful?
That's probably true, but around 2005 when I didn't have enough z/OS
work to do, I moved about half my time
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 15:44:46 +0800, David Crayford wrote:
>Doesn't everybody know that 'G' takes you to the bottom of the file and
>'gg' to the top ;)
>
I didn't. I had been using '1G' for decades since I learned it.
Thanks for the hint.
Has Rocket ported Vim to z/OS?
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021
Dana Mitchell wrote:
>I believe the current official name is IBMi running on IBM Power Systems.
It does make googling for technical information difficult at times
Right, with a space after "IBM". Stupid name (and of course un-googleable:
"When I was at IBM, I used to." comes up instead), but
As the saying goes, vi has two modes: one where it corrupts your data, and
one where it beeps at you.
On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 9:44 AM Steve Thompson wrote:
> Then why do so many people complain about vi outside of mainframers?
>
> Why are there other editors and even mods for vi if it is so
Then why do so many people complain about vi outside of mainframers?
Why are there other editors and even mods for vi if it is so wonderful?
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> On Jan 27, 2021, at 12:57 AM, Tom Brennan wrote:
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> On
On 27/01/2021 2:05 pm, Seymour J Metz wrote:
I bit the bullet and finally learned Vim
Why not emacs?
1. Vim is the default editor on Linux systems so I would have to install
emacs. It's also the default editor for tools like Git.
2. I prefer Vim!
Doesn't everybody know that 'G' takes you to the bottom of the file and
'gg' to the top ;)
I used to hate Vim and considered the learning curve too steep. First
thing I would do when I spun up a Linux VM was install nano. Then I bit
the bullet and invested the time to learn how to use it.
Now
behalf of
David Crayford [dcrayf...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:42 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: ISPF for mainframe Linux
There's an open source ncurses Linux ISPF clone which was ok when I
looked at it
https://secure-web.cisco.com/1HMzO4A2CuVBbx7Cr9MykJXf
On 1/26/2021 7:42 PM, David Crayford wrote:
I know the old adage that old dogs can't learn new tricks but why not
just learn native Linux tools?
Because somebody decided that "end save" would be ":wq" which of
course makes perfect sense :)
Actually, I barely know enough of the vi editor to
There's an open source ncurses Linux ISPF clone which was ok when I
looked at it https://github.com/daniel64/lspf.
I know the old adage that old dogs can't learn new tricks but why not
just learn native Linux tools? I bit the bullet and finally learned Vim
a few years ago and now that I've
Pinion, Richard W. wrote:
>Does anybody remember an ISPF product that ran under mainframe Linux from
>the early 2000's?
Under Linux on z? Doubtful. There was no market yet. You aren't thinking of
uni-SPF from The Workstation Group, are you? That fits the timeline.
https://www.wrkgrp.com/
I still have and use the last version of SPF/PC (4.0.7) from CTC. It's a
DOS program with an
in-built DOS extender. CTC stopped supporting it in the 1990's.
On 26/01/2021 15:21, PINION, RICHARD W. wrote:
> Does anybody remember an ISPF product that ran under mainframe Linux from
> the early
Why do you ask?
Just to answer question not asked: I know hotmail belongs to MS. However
"R.Skorupka" was not available on outlook, but was still free on hotmail.
In fact, it could whatever-name-even-funny.com - I need it for IBM-MAIN
and other groups.
I have several (simple I hope) needs:
-
So you went to hotmail? Why not outlook.com?
Joe
On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 1:44 PM Radoslaw Skorupka
wrote:
> W dniu 26.01.2021 o 18:48, Paul Gilmartin pisze:
> > (YA Mail provider!?)
> > On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 17:29:24 +0100, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote:
>
> I'm sorry, I feel guilty for the noise.
W dniu 26.01.2021 o 18:48, Paul Gilmartin pisze:
(YA Mail provider!?)
On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 17:29:24 +0100, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote:
I'm sorry, I feel guilty for the noise.
Yes, I changed email provider again. I was really trying to work with yahoo.
I hope this is last change. I apologize for
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