Re: Off-list Re: [Leaf-devel] Updating Eigerstein

2001-04-21 Thread Ewald Wasscher
Eric Wolzak wrote: > Hello Ewald, Charles > > Is anyone working on this already? If not I will have a start this > weekend, or perhaps when I return from work tonight. If you prefer > someone else's work please tell me so; it will save me some superfluous > work. > yep, sor

Re: Off-list Re: [Leaf-devel] Updating Eigerstein

2001-04-21 Thread Eric Wolzak
> I think that should be the first goal. It would of course be very > interesting to create a truly linux 2.4 based distribution, but it will > hardly be eigerstein I think (though rather cool) The special part of eigerstein is in effect the script to setup the firewall. This is based on ipchai

Re: Off-list Re: [Leaf-devel] Updating Eigerstein

2001-04-21 Thread David Douthitt
Eric Wolzak wrote: > > > Greetings to all of you. > > > Ook ewald de groeten :) > > > > Greetings to all, and to Eric: > > > > Gruesse aus Holland (hmm, where did you read that before :-) > in my schoolbooks ;) ,I am dutch but live in Germany since 1984. > > Ewald > > P.S. Eric; I live only 5

Re: [Leaf-devel] CVS Distribution Administration Models.........

2001-04-21 Thread Mike Noyes
George Metz, 2001-04-20 21:23 -0400 >On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > > In case of emergency, Eric and I already worked out a way to backup > > individual CVS trees. > >Excellent idea all around. We should probably have the CVS tree backed >up on a semi-regular basis; if it's necessary, I

Re: Off-list Re: [Leaf-devel] Updating Eigerstein

2001-04-21 Thread Ewald Wasscher
Eric Wolzak wrote: > okay time for CVS :) Hmm, and hwo are we going te set this up? Currently there are lots of binaries in my eigerstein2beta tree for which I don't have (yet) the source code. Should there be seperate source and binaries trees? It would be really nice to do a "cvs co" and t

Re: Off-list Re: [Leaf-devel] Updating Eigerstein

2001-04-21 Thread Mike Noyes
Ewald Wasscher, 2001-04-21 16:38 +0200 >Eric Wolzak wrote: > >>okay time for CVS :) > >Hmm, and hwo are we going te set this up? Currently there are lots of >binaries in my eigerstein2beta tree for which I don't have (yet) the >source code. Should there be seperate source and binaries trees? It

Re: [Leaf-devel] IP-Masq'ing question

2001-04-21 Thread Jack Coates
I don't think it's going to work, then. "On the fly" reconfiguration would mean downing the interface everytime a new machine joined the wireless LAN, which would get really annoying to the users. But if you treat the LAN like the Internet (0.0.0.0/0) then you can't route to it. Actually, that co

Re: [Leaf-devel] File Systems (was: CVS structure)

2001-04-21 Thread Mike Noyes
[EMAIL PROTECTED], 2001-04-20 18:03 -0700 >On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > > This still doesn't explain why Debian is > > trying to do the following for their boot floppies. > > > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot-0102/msg00435.html > > ~ Build in crams and ramfs. We're going to boot

Re: [Leaf-devel] IP-Masq'ing question

2001-04-21 Thread Jack Coates
actually, better depiction and idea improvements: wireless area Internet | | LRP LRP | | ---LAN- Both LRP's masq, both LRP's treat the top interface as default network. Wireless LRP forwards ev

Re: [Leaf-devel] File Systems (was: CVS structure)

2001-04-21 Thread Jack Coates
ext2fs would be handy, but it makes things harder on the Windows users. I think vfat is the best thing to do. I use vfat in my kernel -- it's 15K in 2.2, 16K in 2.4. UPX would turn that into .003 bytes, right :-) -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: It's what's for dinner! On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Mike Noy

Re: [Leaf-devel] File Systems (was: CVS structure)

2001-04-21 Thread Mike Noyes
Jack Coates, 2001-04-21 08:31 -0700 >ext2fs would be handy, but it makes things harder on the Windows users. >I think vfat is the best thing to do. I use vfat in my kernel -- it's >15K in 2.2, 16K in 2.4. UPX would turn that into .003 bytes, right :-) Jack, It may make things a tad harder, but I

Re: [Leaf-devel] IP-Masq'ing question

2001-04-21 Thread Scott C. Best
Jack: That's an interesting picture... > wireless areaInternet > | | > LRP LRP > | | > ---LAN--- If the LAN side interface on the right LRP box thought that its subnet was 0.0.0.

Re: [Leaf-devel] Patched kernel 2.4.3 (about to be) available.

2001-04-21 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
> > It'd be interesting to see how much each option affected size, but overall a > > 411K 2.4 kernel is VERY COOL, and should be quite usable for floppy > > firewalls. While I'd like to see a 'one size fits all' kernel, perhaps > > there could be a floppy only, minimal kernel, and a larger kernel

Re: [Leaf-devel] Patched kernel 2.4.3 (about to be) available.

2001-04-21 Thread David Douthitt
Charles Steinkuehler wrote: > Well, I generall think almost EVERYTHING should be modules. You can regain > IDE support for booting by adding the modules to the initial ramdisk (the > linuxrc mods I posted a while ago for my SCSI-RAID support do this). When I first compiled kernels for LRP, I us

Re: [Leaf-devel] File Systems (was: CVS structure)

2001-04-21 Thread jdnewmil
On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2001-04-20 18:03 -0700 > >On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > > > This still doesn't explain why Debian is > > > trying to do the following for their boot floppies. > > > > > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot-0102/msg00435.html

Re: [Leaf-devel] File Systems

2001-04-21 Thread Mike Noyes
[EMAIL PROTECTED], 2001-04-21 12:51 -0700 >On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > > You have a better grasp of the details than I do. :) > > If I have this right, cramfs isn't flexible enough for our needs. That > > means that Midori isn't useful for a base, and we're back to vfat or > > minix f

Re: [Leaf-devel] CVS Distribution Administration Models.........

2001-04-21 Thread George Metz
On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > George, > SourceForge tarballs our repository nightly. I added a "Tarball" link to > our phpWS "Development" lblock. Anyone can download it now. > http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cvstarballs/leaf-cvsroot.tar.gz That's useful, to say the least. Maybe I'll set u

[Leaf-devel] New list (leaf-cvs-commits)

2001-04-21 Thread Mike Noyes
Everyone, I created a new list that receives our CVS commit messages. I hope this will allow everyone to keep track of release development. I installed syncmail by following the SourceForge instructions below. If you have time, please test it by committing a change to our repository. Thanks. G

Re: [Leaf-devel] Patched kernel 2.4.3 (about to be) available.

2001-04-21 Thread Jack Coates
this was my experience as well -- I don't have numbers on hand, but I definitely reduced the size of my kernel by moving unused goodies from 'modular' to 'no.' -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: It's what's for dinner! On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, David Douthitt wrote: > Charles Steinkuehler wrote: > > > We

Re: [Leaf-devel] File Systems (was: CVS structure)

2001-04-21 Thread Jack Coates
I just hunted through my module archives and I've never built it as a module... I also did a google search, but the only ones I turned up in reasonable timeframe were compiled for NetBSD. Those are 51K (!). -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: It's what's for dinner! On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Mike Noyes wro

Re: [Leaf-devel] File Systems (was: CVS structure)

2001-04-21 Thread Mike Noyes
Jack Coates, 2001-04-21 16:08 -0700 >I just hunted through my module archives and I've never built it as a >module... > >I also did a google search, but the only ones I turned up in reasonable >timeframe were compiled for NetBSD. Those are 51K (!). Jack, That's huge. How big is minix? We can subt

Re: [Leaf-devel] File Systems (was: CVS structure)

2001-04-21 Thread George Metz
On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > Jack Coates, 2001-04-21 16:08 -0700 > >I just hunted through my module archives and I've never built it as a > >module... > > > >I also did a google search, but the only ones I turned up in reasonable > >timeframe were compiled for NetBSD. Those are 51K (!

Re: [Leaf-devel] Patched kernel 2.4.3 (about to be) available.

2001-04-21 Thread George Metz
On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, David Douthitt wrote: > When I first compiled kernels for LRP, I used the EigerStein kernel as > my base. I later found that by NOT compiling modules, I could save > space let me explain. Okay. Not that I can stop you in an e-mail. =) > If there is an item in the kerne

Re: [Leaf-devel] Patched kernel 2.4.3 (about to be) available.

2001-04-21 Thread George Metz
On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Charles Steinkuehler wrote: > Well, I generall think almost EVERYTHING should be modules. You can regain > IDE support for booting by adding the modules to the initial ramdisk (the > linuxrc mods I posted a while ago for my SCSI-RAID support do this). Yeah, Oxygen does the

Re: [Leaf-devel] File Systems (was: CVS structure)

2001-04-21 Thread Mike Noyes
George Metz, 2001-04-21 21:34 -0400 >On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > > That's huge. How big is minix? We can subtract the minix size from the > > ext2 total. Is that correct, or am I out in left field still? > >Not sure what you mean. If you mean from kernel size for the total size >chang

Re: [Leaf-devel] File Systems (was: CVS structure)

2001-04-21 Thread jdnewmil
On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, George Metz wrote: > On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > > > Jack Coates, 2001-04-21 16:08 -0700 > > >I just hunted through my module archives and I've never built it as a > > >module... > > > > > >I also did a google search, but the only ones I turned up in reasonable

Re: [Leaf-devel] File Systems (was: CVS structure)

2001-04-21 Thread George Metz
On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I think the concept is to raise the bar by putting vfat into the > kernel. If vfat doesn't depend on the msdos code, then omit msdos > to reduce size and risk of manipulating vfat filenames as msdos > filenames (which can strand LFN data in the FAT).