Re: What is a good generic disk layout?

2008-04-11 Thread Michael MacIsaac
> > 2) Click "Create" => choose "/dev/dasda" => choose "Do not format" => > > enter all blanks for "Mount point" (I see now that the last entry in the > > dropdown menu is "blanks" - aha - the hidden key :)). > > > This is what I've always done. If you want to give a partition to LVM, you have to

Re: What is a good generic disk layout?

2008-04-10 Thread John Summerfield
David Boyes wrote: While it's a bit heavy-handed to write it into the spec, it is a grand attempt to put Mother's First Law (thou shalt not mix your stuff with vendor stuff) into the general consciousness. If it becomes customary, we can get people to keep code and data separate (I find the usua

Re: What is a good generic disk layout?

2008-04-10 Thread David Boyes
> I was speaking to its merit overall, without regard to whether to make > it separate or not. I find it to be among the more sophomoric additions > to the LSB in general and the FHS in particular. While it's a bit heavy-handed to write it into the spec, it is a grand attempt to put Mother's First

Re: What is a good generic disk layout?

2008-04-10 Thread David Boyes
> / is also intended to contain other stuff, the binaries you need to get > things working well enough to find everything else, the libraries they > require, the kernel modules. Which for an enterprise deployment on a platform that has limited choices in hardware should change infrequently and be

Re: What is a good generic disk layout?

2008-04-09 Thread Stricklin, Raymond J
Mark; > Until some webmaster decides to dump a few 4.7GB DVD .iso > files in it, and your system craters. I was speaking to its merit overall, without regard to whether to make it separate or not. I find it to be among the more sophomoric additions to the LSB in general and the FHS in particular

Re: What is a good generic disk layout?

2008-04-09 Thread Mark Post
>>> On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 5:03 AM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mark Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -snip- > (What I am looking for is the ability to fall back to a point in time > for one or more files or a complete filesystem, without involving > complicated & time-consuming backup/restor

Re: What is a good generic disk layout?

2008-04-09 Thread Mark Post
>>> On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 4:29 PM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Stricklin, Raymond J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -snip- > IMO /srv is a waste of effort. Until some webmaster decides to dump a few 4.7GB DVD .iso files in it, and your system craters. If I'm not going to be running FTP or HT

Re: What is a good generic disk layout?

2008-04-09 Thread Mark Post
>>> On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 8:19 AM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael MacIsaac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -snip- > What steps did you take? I found if you leave space on /dev/dasda, then > click "LVM", that the free space on /dev/dasda would not be available for > use in a volume group. -sn

Re: What is a good generic disk layout?

2008-04-09 Thread John Summerfield
Mark Perry wrote: David Boyes wrote: I guess I'm missing something here. If you split out all the subsidiary filesystems, what ever changes in / other than the atime of the mount points for the other filesystems? You don't WANT stuff in /, and restoring / is a few seconds work if all the real wo

Re: What is a good generic disk layout?

2008-04-09 Thread Stricklin, Raymond J
Mark; > For all you folks out there that keep wanting to put / in an > LV, all I can say is "masochists." I keep /boot in the root > file system, and break out everything else. > # df -h > FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/dasda1 388M 125M 243M 35% / >

Re: What is a good generic disk layout?

2008-04-09 Thread David Boyes
> While /etc's overmounted is it still possible to update the underlying > /etc/fstab and make other needed config changes? You can mount the "base" /etc at another point in the tree and edit, although the point of the setup I want is that you never have to (substitute minidisks at the correct add

Re: What is a good generic disk layout?

2008-04-09 Thread Romanowski, John (OFT)
ystem. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 10:43 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: What is a good generic disk layout? > "/" will typically include "/etc" and then many sub

Re: What is a good generic disk layout?

2008-04-09 Thread David Boyes
> Yes that's a really good idea - using a bind mount from another > filesystem in the LVM2 ? > something like: > mount --bind /etc /origetc > mount --bind /newetc /etc > Where /origetc is simply a mountpoint in the root filesystem (to be able > to maintain /etc after the next mount) > and /newetc i

Re: What is a good generic disk layout?

2008-04-09 Thread Mark Perry
David Boyes wrote: "/" will typically include "/etc" and then many subdirectories below it. Ah. I overmount that as early as possible, which cures many evils (and leaves a very nice fallback system if something fails in startup; you just fall back to "nothing enabled" with a r/o root). But, st

Re: What is a good generic disk layout?

2008-04-09 Thread David Boyes
> "/" will typically include "/etc" and then many subdirectories below it. Ah. I overmount that as early as possible, which cures many evils (and leaves a very nice fallback system if something fails in startup; you just fall back to "nothing enabled" with a r/o root). But, still, that's seldom mo

Re: What is a good generic disk layout?

2008-04-09 Thread Mark Perry
David Boyes wrote: I guess I'm missing something here. If you split out all the subsidiary filesystems, what ever changes in / other than the atime of the mount points for the other filesystems? You don't WANT stuff in /, and restoring / is a few seconds work if all the real work is in the sub

Re: What is a good generic disk layout?

2008-04-09 Thread David Boyes
T.EDU" Sent: 4/9/08 5:05 AM Subject: Re: What is a good generic disk layout? Mark Post wrote: > > For all you folks out there that keep wanting to put / in an LV, all I can > say is "masochists." I keep /boot in the root file system, and break out > everything else. &

Re: What is a good generic disk layout?

2008-04-09 Thread Michael MacIsaac
Mark, > It's always worked fine for me. > I just went through a new SP1 install on my test What steps did you take? I found if you leave space on /dev/dasda, then click "LVM", that the free space on /dev/dasda would not be available for use in a volume group. > system, just to make sure nothing h

Re: What is a good generic disk layout?

2008-04-09 Thread Mark Perry
Mark Post wrote: For all you folks out there that keep wanting to put / in an LV, all I can say is "masochists." I keep /boot in the root file system, and break out everything else. Mark, I have always agreed with your point of view, but even I am considering using "/" in an LV to be able t

Re: What is a good generic disk layout?

2008-04-08 Thread Mark Post
>>> On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 10:06 AM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brad Hinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -snip- > We're considering this layout due to some difficulty we had in the SLES > installer. Ideally, we'd like a 3338 cylinder 100 disk with /boot (ext3 > filesystem) and the remaining sp

Re: What is a good generic disk layout?

2008-04-08 Thread Hicks, Bennie
nt: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 10:06 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: What is a good generic disk layout? Hi all, Just a followup question (Mike and I are working together on this): We're considering this layout due to some difficulty we had in the SLES installer. Ideally, we'

Re: What is a good generic disk layout?

2008-04-08 Thread Mrohs, Ray
-Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RPN01 Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 1:36 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: What is a good generic disk layout? We're using the following layout: Allocate the following disks to the

Re: What is a good generic disk layout?

2008-04-08 Thread RPN01
We're using the following layout: Allocate the following disks to the Linux guest: * 124 cylinders minimum as device num 391, used as /boot * 10016 cylinders minimum as device num 392, used as vg_system. * 10016 cylinders minimum as device num 393, used as vg_local * ?? cylinders

Re: What is a good generic disk layout?

2008-04-08 Thread Jerry Whitteridge
feway Inc 925 951 4184 > -Original Message- > From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Michael MacIsaac > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 8:12 AM > To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU > Subject: Re: What is a good generic disk layout? > > > X

Re: What is a good generic disk layout?

2008-04-08 Thread Rich Smrcina
stall, however the person that did the install told me he had to use X11. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rich Smrcina Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 7:24 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: What is a good generic disk layout? At

Re: What is a good generic disk layout?

2008-04-08 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Fargusson.Alan > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 10:42 AM > To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU > Subject: Re: What is a good generic disk layout? > > > Some products can only be in

Re: What is a good generic disk layout?

2008-04-08 Thread Fargusson.Alan
esday, April 08, 2008 7:24 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: What is a good generic disk layout? At first glance, looks nice... but, X and a graphical desktop? Should we be encouraging this? Or does the speed of the z10 make it a moot point? Will 10, 100 or 1000 KDE desktops on a z10 m

Re: What is a good generic disk layout?

2008-04-08 Thread Adam Thornton
On Apr 8, 2008, at 9:45 AM, Romanowski, John (OFT) wrote: can't you make partition1 dasda1 /boot and partition2 dasda2 the PV for LVM? Sub-partitioning DASD on zSeries is really not a very good idea. If you're running under VM, you've already GOT virtualized disk. Make /dev/dasda a small /bo

Re: What is a good generic disk layout?

2008-04-08 Thread Michael MacIsaac
> X and a graphical desktop? Should we be encouraging this? Installing them and running them are two different things. It's sometimes nice to have one installed so it can be started only when a graphical environment is necessary. But you do bring up a good point. > can't you make partition1 dasd

Re: What is a good generic disk layout?

2008-04-08 Thread Romanowski, John (OFT)
n 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Hinson Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 10:06 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: What is a good generic disk layout? Hi all, Just a followup question (Mike and I are working together on this): We're considering this layout d

Re: What is a good generic disk layout?

2008-04-08 Thread Rich Smrcina
At first glance, looks nice... but, X and a graphical desktop? Should we be encouraging this? Or does the speed of the z10 make it a moot point? Will 10, 100 or 1000 KDE desktops on a z10 matter? Michael MacIsaac wrote: Hello list, It's difficult to come up with a one-size-fits-all disk lay

Re: What is a good generic disk layout?

2008-04-08 Thread Brad Hinson
Hi all, Just a followup question (Mike and I are working together on this): We're considering this layout due to some difficulty we had in the SLES installer. Ideally, we'd like a 3338 cylinder 100 disk with /boot (ext3 filesystem) and the remaining space used for an LVM volume, so 2 partitions

What is a good generic disk layout?

2008-04-08 Thread Michael MacIsaac
Hello list, It's difficult to come up with a one-size-fits-all disk layout for Linux. In the past I've just "punted" and created a single 3390-3-sized root file system. That often fills up quickly, so most would probably agree that more space is require. Here is a proposed minidisk layout for two