Re: [IFWP] The emperor is still naked

On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Dan Steinberg wrote: FYI, there's been a solution to the chicken and egg problem for years. The ethiopians have a dish, they put both chicken and the egg (hard boiled) in same pot together. It's called Doro Wat, recipe available at:

Re: [IFWP] working within ICANN

On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, Einar Stefferud wrote: In my view, ICANN is no longer worthy of further attention, as their deliberate intention is to disenfranchise all of us. We need to find our own solution to the new TLD problem, and the cooperative maintenance of the Virtual Inclusive Root.

Re: [IFWP] The emperor is still naked

On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, Ellen Rony wrote: If there were killer content that is only available in the other-than-IANA-root, then people would quietly (or not) begin reconfiguring their computers to view it. It's a chicken and egg problem...

Re: [IFWP] Re: [ICANN-EU] Re: You be the Jury (Polling the Lessig-Sondow exchange)

On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Joop Teernstra wrote: I went ahead and designed and commissioned the Polling Booth. I make its use available for free. If it is going to be open source, I would like to be paid what it is worth. Then it's not really open source

Re: [IFWP] IETF The PR Firm For NSI?

On Fri, 19 May 2000, Michael Sondow wrote: Since when is the IETF in the business of doing NSI's publicity? Individuals and organizations are free to submit a proposal for an RFC, yourself included(assuming you had something meaningfully technical to say.) Other than possible ignorance of the

Re: [IFWP] RE: realtime root server updates someday? (fwd)

. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell Earth is a single point of failure. \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

Re: [IFWP] Re: [aso-policy] RE: [aso-comment] IP address holders -are they represented?

generally wasn't the end users. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell Earth is a single point of failure. \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

Re: [IFWP] Re: [aso-policy] RE: [aso-comment] IP address holders -are they represented?

. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell Earth is a single point of failure. \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

Re: [IFWP] Re: [aso-policy] RE: [aso-comment] IP address holders -are they represented?

o do. You were hoping for an even stronger ICANN? Be careful what you ask for. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell Earth is a single point of failure. \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

Re: [IFWP] CPSR Comment on Domain Name Expansion (WG-C/DNSO/ICANN)

. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell Earth is a single point of failure. \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

Re: [IFWP] Esther Dyson's reply

is allowed. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell Earth is a single point of failure. \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

[IFWP] Small company wins VW domain battle

http://news.cnet.com/news/1,1,0-1005-200-1474021.html /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell Earth is a single point of failure. \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

[IFWP] Internet Labels Lose Meaning in Rush for Popular Addresses (fwd)

The press seems to get it, I wonder when the ICANN board is going to fess up... /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell Earth is a single point of failure. \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

[IFWP] Re: your mail

is this any different from when NSI ran things exclusively? /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell Earth is a single point of failure. \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

Re: [IFWP] Re: BIND 1999 Survey - released limited distribution

. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell Earth is a single point of failure. \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

Re: [IFWP] Becky Burr freezes root servers

explanation and basis for the exertion of such control. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell "This is our time. It will not come again." \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

Re: [IFWP] Who distributes root list?

uns the various root servers and in what fashion they "sponsor" Vixie since you make the claim that they are doing so. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell "This is our time. It will not come again." \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

Re: [IFWP] PCCF opens DNS speakers corner.

-clued ones as many of those administrators are. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell "This is our time. It will not come again." \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

[IFWP] Mandatory Arbitration

eemed 'unconscionable' and therefore, unenforceable, in some state courts, particularly if the clause requires one party to arbitrate and allows the other to retain the right to sue." /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick

Re: [IFWP] failure notice

On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, Richard J. Sexton wrote: Account mailbox is full. No new email accepted. Aren't these the guys who sell the free domain names? No. Free Internet service. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell

Re: [IFWP] please give us substance and not assertions

of the Internet community has made it a convincing excuse for any action ICANN might take. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell "This is our time. It will not come again." \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

Re: [IFWP] Fwd: IP: ICANN and what it is

You're slipping... g /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell "This is our time. It will not come again." \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

Re: [IFWP] Latest on the Australian censorship

the same litmus test to the handful of mid-level bureaucrats that constitute the GAC? Are you certain that there are enough governments present to be truly representative of the governments of the world? /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick

Re: [IFWP] Latest on the Australian censorship

on impeding them) and say "I told you so." /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell "This is our time. It will not come again." \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

Re: [IFWP] ANNOUNCE: ICANN-Santiago Remote Participation

for a mike and say whatever it is they wish to say. Those not physically present are *filtered* through the staff. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell "This is our time. It will not come again." \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

RE: [IFWP] ANNOUNCE: ICANN-Santiago Remote Participation

I say: Evolve or die. :-) /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell "This is our time. It will not come again." \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

Re: [IFWP] Re: Re[2]: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN S

record. It is appropriate to request similar information of those who participate remotely. It does beg the question: "What does one do in the case of the 'Jeff Williams' of the world?" /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick

[IFWP] Re: your mail

is that. Because Esther is the only one anyone ever sees on these mailing lists. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell "This is our time. It will not come again." \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

Re: [IFWP] News

for quite some time. While I disagree with him on this particular issue, I would hardly characterize him as an "ignorant fool." /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell "This is our time. I

Re: [IFWP] Political Domain Name story

ommon name? /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell "This is our time. It will not come again." \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

Re: [IFWP] Political Domain Name story

hear your definition of "cybersquatter." /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell "This is our time. It will not come again." \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

Re: [IFWP] The rough consensus in Berlin and ICANN's bylaws

ly present. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell "This is our time. It will not come again." \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

Re: [IFWP] Re: Call for comments on DNSO Names Council amendments (Deadline: August 10)

to receive an answer? /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell "This is our time. It will not come again." \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

[IFWP] Internet first for injured judge

.) /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell "This is our time. It will not come again." \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

Re: [IFWP] $1 per name fee?

. It is not often that taxes are adjusted downwards /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick GreenwellTelocity http://www.telocity.com (408) 863-6617 v (tinc) (408) 777-1451 f

RE: [IFWP] Block the Crock

On Sun, 25 Jul 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Patrick Greenwell wrote: Personally, I think the list owner has been far too giving of his time in forwarding posts from non-members to the list. If one wishes to post to the list, then one should be a member. You are right

Re: [IFWP] Block the Crock

been far too giving of his time in forwarding posts from non-members to the list. If one wishes to post to the list, then one should be a member. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick GreenwellTelocity http

Re: [IFWP] Re: Membership supermajorities

to voluntarily accept the rules derived from the ICANN root (and possibly the ICANN TLDs). Everyone and everything else would be exempt. And given the choice, how many people do you think would "volunteer"? :-) /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

Re: Re[2]: [IFWP] ICANN's Internet Community - Fact and Fancy

On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, William X. Walsh wrote: Monday, July 19, 1999, 7:25:21 PM, Patrick Greenwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Bill Lovell wrote: Wow! Sounds like [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there consensus here? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! All kidding aside, Tony raises

Re: [IFWP] ICANN's Internet Community - Fact and Fancy

sensus" that ICANN claims? /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick GreenwellTelocity http://www.telocity.com (408) 863-6617 v (tinc) (408) 777-1451 f "This is our time. It will not come again." \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

Re: [IFWP] Why fail on purpose?

this conversation. :-) /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick GreenwellTelocity http://www.telocity.com (408) 863-6617 v (tinc) (408) 777-1451 f "This is our time. It will not

Re: [IFWP] Why fail on purpose?

On Fri, 16 Jul 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you consider that one of the primary purposes of this *interim* board was to establish an electorate, and hold formal elections to elect the first official *initial* board, your comments simply don't add up. The Commerce Department

Re: [IFWP] Why fail on purpose?

of self-governance. I'd sooner rot in hell than help enable this charade. Perhaps someone from AOL or IBM is available? /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick GreenwellTelocity http://www.telocity.com (408) 863-6617 v

Re: [IFWP] Javier, what are you doing?

surrounding this WG, which you've broken into 4 seperate lists. What, exactly, is going on here? Business as usual. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick GreenwellTelocity http://www.telocity.com (408) 863-6617 v

[IFWP] ICANN running out of money

http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,38847,00.html?st.ne.fd.gif.l P.S. I am maintaining links to recent news information at: http://stealthgeeks.net/background.html. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick GreenwellTelocity

Re: [IFWP] Re: Thoughts on ICANN

considered either "officers" of the organization, nor are they likely employees. Corrections(with corresponding documents) welcome of course. Doubtlessly you'll scream at me for not agreeing with your assesment. *shrug* /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

Re: [IFWP] Re: Thoughts on ICANN

"officers" of CORE hold seats within the NC is incorrect. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick GreenwellTelocity http://www.telocity.com (408) 863-6617 v (tinc)

Re: [IFWP] Re: Thoughts on ICANN

On Mon, 5 Jul 1999, Michael Sondow wrote: Patrick Greenwell a écrit: Doubtlessly you'll scream at me for not agreeing with your assesment. I sceram at no one. But are you content, then, that the NC is in the hands of CORE (and ISOC)? Not really. But I prefer to maintain accuracy when

Re: [IFWP] Re: Thoughts on ICANN

On Mon, 5 Jul 1999, Michael Sondow wrote: Patrick Greenwell a écrit: But I prefer to maintain accuracy when I make assertions. I see. So you are the arbiter of the truth. Well, I didn't know that. I humbly beg your pardon, Lord Greenwell. Michael, Do you have any objective refutation

Re: [IFWP] RE: Lou Gerstner on what IBM wants from ICANN

On Sat, 3 Jul 1999, Craig McTaggart wrote: I've held back on all of the other ridiculous claims in this thread but this is the one that always gets me going. Some clarifications about private property and identifiers. You do not own your domain name. There is now case law on the books

Re: [IFWP] RE: Lou Gerstner on what IBM wants from ICANN

form of property right. And the judges in the court cases I have heard of on the subject would seem to agree with that interpretation. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick GreenwellTelocity http://www.telocity.com (408

Re: [IFWP] RE: Lou Gerstner on what IBM wants from ICANN

We don't want an Internet government. However, as that seems to be what is occuring, it better be done properly." It hasn't, it isn't and it isn't going to be. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick GreenwellTelocity

Re: [IFWP] Re: Thoughts on ICANN

://stealthgeeks.net/nader.html. I was very careful to avoid including violations that were subject to a lot of interpretation. If I had, it would have been a much larger document indeed. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick GreenwellTelocity

Re: [IFWP] RE: [IFWP] Re: Press CommuniquéIn-reply-to : m10xeqW-000Xzra@ns1.vrx.net

ive ICANN board? The currently unelected and unrepresentative provisional Names Council? The results, likewise will be horribly flawed. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick GreenwellTelocity http://www.telocity.com

Re: [IFWP] Re: PASS THE SICK BAG!

? /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick GreenwellTelocity http://www.telocity.com (408) 863-6617 v (tinc) (408) 777-1451 f \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

RE: [IFWP] Re: Register.com and the Testbed charges effect

gistrations through them, paid or not? /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick GreenwellTelocity http://www.telocity.com (408) 863-6617 v (tinc) (408) 777-1451 f \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

Re: [IFWP] Re: I represent the little guy -- Esther Dyson as hypocrite

ANN detractors might actually have a say as to who they most feel comfortable having represent "the little guy." This could result in ICANN actually having some legitimacy among the serfs. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Gre

Re: [IFWP] Magaziner, Lessig Spar

then. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick GreenwellTelocity http://www.telocity.com (408) 863-6617 v (tinc) (408) 777-1451 f \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

Re: [IFWP] Re: Registrar Constituency meeting - Berlin

. Must be that ICANN brand of openness and transparency in action that I've been hearing so much about. ;-) /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick GreenwellTelocity http://www.telocity.com (408) 863-6617 v

Re: [IFWP] Comment on Geographic Diversity Policy

to Eric's. Geographic diversity was indeed discussed and most people found it to be a valuable and necessary component of NewCo, however there was indeed no agreement on it trumping all other forms of representation. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

Re: [IFWP] Comment on Geographic Diversity Policy

. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick GreenwellTelocity http://www.telocity.com (408) 863-6617 v (tinc) (408) 777-1451 f \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

Re: [IFWP] Re: Credentials for attendance at the NCDNHC organizational meeting in Berlin

. Wonderful to hear Esther. So, where is the GAC meeting? I am sure there will be a great number of people interested in this constituency. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick GreenwellTelocity http://www.telocity.com

Re: [IFWP] Re: Registrar Constituency meeting - Berlin

. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick GreenwellTelocity http://www.telocity.com (408) 863-6617 v (tinc)(408) 777-1451 f \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

Re: [IFWP] The Tax and how to spend the $62 million

nd oranges. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick GreenwellTelocity http://www.telocity.com (408) 863-6617 v (tinc)(408) 777-1451 f \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

Re: [IFWP] The Tax and how to spend the $62 million

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick GreenwellTelocity http://www.telocity.com (408) 863-6617 v (tinc)(408) 777-1451 f \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

Re: [IFWP] Re: DOJ investigating NSI

. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick GreenwellTelocity http://www.telocity.com (408) 863-6617 v (tinc)(408) 777-1451 f \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

Re: [IFWP] ICANN's Bylaws and WIPO Report

how to put laws on the books. They have little experience in taking them off. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick GreenwellTelocity http://www.telocity.com (tinc) Coming to the ISPF

Re: [IFWP] ICANN's Bylaws and WIPO Report

On Thu, 13 May 1999, Kent Crispin wrote: On Thu, May 13, 1999 at 06:32:31PM -0700, Patrick Greenwell wrote: Legislators know how to put laws on the books. They have little experience in taking them off. We are not talking about legislators. This is not a government. Sadly Kent, you

Re: [IFWP] ICANN and WIPO in Berlin

. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick GreenwellTelocity http://www.telocity.com (tinc) Coming to the ISPF? The Forum for ISPs by ISPs http://www.ispf.com \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

Re: [IFWP] Re: GAC Draft Agenda

ons? What Infrastructure Trust Fund? (Is that the $50 million U.S. collected fund?) What litigation? Could you please address those questions? Thank you. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick GreenwellTelocity

Re: [IFWP] Re: Brock Meeks on Internet Governance

On Tue, 27 Apr 1999, Bill Lovell wrote: All this IFWP talk has been cheap enough, but where has it got anyone? Where do I send a check? /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick GreenwellTelocity http://www.telocity.com

[IFWP] Re: the Individual Domain Name Owner's constituency, status update

an organization. Perhaps we need to create a constituency involved in the creation of constituencies. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick GreenwellTelocity http://www.telocity.com (tinc

[IFWP] Unfair competition

The following is(was?) sent to all the post-testbed accredited registrars. It raises some extremely valid concerns regarding the very unfair pricing enviroment that is currently in effect - Congratulations on being accredited! I am sending to you and

Re: [IFWP] Re: URGENT/Press/ take 2

ering of competition. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick GreenwellTelocity http://www.telocity.com (tinc) Coming to the ISPF? The Forum for ISPs by ISPs http://www.ispf.com \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

Re: [IFWP] Re: URGENT/Press/Wired News, re: testbed concerns from NameSecure.com

knowledge, AOL doesn't even offer domain name registration for its customers. (corrections welcome). /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick GreenwellTelocity http://www.telocity.com (tinc

Re: [IFWP] Re: Internet Governance?!

uot; model will die a horrible death. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick GreenwellCentergate Research, LLC http://www.ultradns.net (tinc) Coming to the ISPF? The Forum for ISPs by ISPs http://www.ispf.com \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

[IFWP] NIC pages

Many of you were upset about the redirection of internic.net to www.networksolutions.com. So was I. Rather than just scream about it, which is great for getting all that pent-up frustration out but doesn't really address the issue, I decided to try to find a solution. Here's what I came up

Re: [IFWP] NIC pages

.. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick GreenwellCentergate Research, LLC http://www.ultradns.net (tinc) Coming to the ISPF? The Forum for ISPs by ISPs http://www.ispf.com \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

RE: [IFWP] NSI purposely disseminated misleading information

On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, Clough, Christopher wrote: Ivan, In the interest of full disclosure to the Internet community are you willing to disclose your repeated failed attempts to sell your company to Network Solutions? Ooh, this is great. You sound a bit agitated Chris. Losing lots on

RE: [IFWP] asensio purposely disseminated misleading information

On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, Clough, Christopher wrote: Not at all. Just thought the list might want to know. We can still afford to take you dinner again Patrick :^) Great, I look forward to it. :-) /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick

RE: [IFWP] asensio purposely disseminated misleading information

paid for. If you have any further questions, I would be happy to answer them. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick GreenwellCentergate Research, LLC http://www.ultradns.net (tinc) Coming to the ISPF

Re: [IFWP] Report from Singapore

lightening. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick GreenwellCentergate Research, LLC http://www.ultradns.net (tinc) Coming to the ISPF-II? The Forum for ISPs by ISPs http://www.ispf.com \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

[IFWP] Question regarding testbed registrars

NSI maintain control of it? /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick GreenwellCentergate Research, LLC http://www.ultradns.net (tinc) Coming to the ISPF-II? The Forum for ISPs by ISPs http://www.ispf.com \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

Re: [IFWP] NTIA

sordid. I promise to be on my best behaviour. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick GreenwellCentergate Research, LLC http://www.ultradns.net (tinc) Coming to the ISPF-II? The Forum for ISPs by ISPs

[ifwp] Re: DNS Lotto: You Gotta Be In It To Win It

On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, Martin B. Schwimmer wrote: New York Times - Friday Jan 22, page C4 Lottery May Decide Competition in Internet Name System Isn't gambling illegal in a lot of places? For example I don't think Muslim law is too keen on it

[ifwp] Re: Cooperating with Communications (was Re: Voting m

On Sat, 16 Jan 1999, William X. Walsh wrote: I am currently working on a set of terms of services and service agreements and am adding language into it that lets the users know they are subject to receiving such emails from us, and basically if they don't like it, don't do business with us.

[ifwp] Re: WIPO to the Rescue(NOT!)

On Thu, 14 Jan 1999, Michael Sondow wrote: Which is where the January 21 22 meetings in Washington come in. That's where support for WIPO's new rules will be fixed, probably on the 21st, with the re-written DNSO proposal, including WIPO's draconian DN constraints (two-month wait between

[ifwp] Re: Voting mechanisms: the Amer. Arbit. Assoc.

On Fri, 15 Jan 1999, jeff Williams wrote: Where can we pull the source code for review? Source code is not readily available as it is in a paten process. However we could make some arrangements. I would suggest offhand, that you use srinkwraped stuff. Failing that and source code is

[ifwp] WIPO to the Rescue(NOT!)

http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,30939,00.html Interesting, WIPO seems to think that this is a done deal from the way they are talking... /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Coming to the ISPF-II? The Forum for ISPs by ISPs

[ifwp] Re: Constituencies

al failure. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell(800) 299-1288 v CTO (925) 377-1212 v NameSecure

[ifwp] Re: Constituencies

, there is no such organization, and what Mr. Williams says is completely untrue. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell(800) 299-1288 v CTO (925) 377-1212 v

[ifwp] Re: What is this? Why are we surprised with it?

? /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell(800) 299-1288 v CTO (925) 377-1212 v NameSecure (925) 377-1414 f Coming to the ISPF-II? The Forum for ISPs by ISPs

[ifwp] Re: What is this? Why are we surprised with it?

has been taking place. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell(800) 299-1288 v CTO (925) 377-1212 v NameSecure

[ifwp] Re: Open Board meetings

cannot be done in open board meetings, and if forced to do so, all decisions would be made elsewhere and the board meeting would be window dressing. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell(800) 299-1288 v

[ifwp] Re: Techo-speak, allowed by M. Sondow? or will the real 10 year old please stand up

On Sun, 10 Jan 1999, Gordon Cook wrote: IS THER ANY ONE willing and able to host this list and attach a civil discourse requirement to it? The ISP/C will. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell

[ifwp] Re: This list

strikes, you may be barred from the list. The exact rules can be found at http://www.open-rsc.org/lists/rules/ What is the value of unenforced rules? /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell

[ifwp] Re: Open Board meetings

(inaudible), 6 it cannot be put in public. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell(800) 299-1288 v CTO (925) 377-1212 v

[ifwp] Re: Mailer-list hosting

hope it isn't a web-only service. There are a lot of folks that don't use browsers for email... /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell(800) 299-1288 v CTO

[ifwp] Re: Constituencies

the second. The situation will be untenable. I haven't heard any real disagreement with simply having "individual" and "business" membership. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell

[ifwp] Re: Constituencies

own that makes sense to me is users/ISPs. Since there are problems with both of them, a flat model comes to mind. What exactly is the problem with a bicameral approach? And the flat model has problems all its' own /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

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