Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

Paul Collins wrote: so when clients ask me what to build for I can justify building for IE5 Mac. Given that IE5/Mac is now officially obsolete, why not group it with other dinosaurs (NN4.x et al) with flaky CSS support and filter your CSS delivery so that browser only receives a stylesheet f

RE: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

ector Test Partners Ltd / First Accessibility www.testpartners.co.uk www.accessibility.co.uk -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Gleitzman Sent: 02 August 2006 00:26 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Support for IE5

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

Steve Green wrote: One reason for continuing to support IE5/Mac is that OS9 users can't upgrade to anything better. Of course they can upgrade - to OSX. OS9 itself is, if not officially obsolete, shall we say deprecated? Macs haven't been made to boot into 9 for some time now. OSX *will* ru

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

Out of interest, does anyone know how many OS 9 users are still out there? Nick. On 2 Aug 2006, at 10:55, Nick Gleitzman wrote: Steve Green wrote: One reason for continuing to support IE5/Mac is that OS9 users can't upgrade to anything better. Of course they can upgrade - to OSX. OS9 i

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

Nick Lazar wrote: Out of interest, does anyone know how many OS 9 users are still out there? Hmm, not sure about the stats, but at my current job (bigger company, local newspaper for this region) the majority of the newsroom uses OS9. Why you ask? Because the system/app used to produce the pa

RE: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

cessibility.co.uk -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Lazar Sent: 02 August 2006 02:02 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats) Out of interest, does anyone know how many OS

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

Micky Hulse wrote: Why you ask? Because the system/app used to produce the paper runs only in the Mac/OS9 environment. Upgrade is coming, but not for at least a year+. Umm... OSX/Classic? N ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ ***

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

Nick Gleitzman wrote: Umm... OSX/Classic? Ah, you want details. Well, the web folks do use OSX/Classic... we are the select few that get that luxury. As for the rest of the newsroom folks, they are on older 7100's/Beige G3's and such... Upgrading to OSX just to run classic mode means a who

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

Steve Green wrote: I would hardly call OSX an 'upgrade' - it's a major investment. It's not just the £100 or so for the OS, it's the cost of all the new applications like an office suite and all the other stuff you need plus the installation time and hassle of migrating email accounts etc.

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

A few years ago I did a site for an encyclopaedia - their main outlet was schools, so their web stats made interesting reading - mostly IE6/PC or OS9 Mac with IE5.1. Another interesting note was that there were far more legacy browsers than usual - IE4 and NN4 each outnumbered all the newer

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

The most recent/advanced  browser for Mac OS9 is Mozilla1.2.1 was the last offical stable release available from mozilla.org http://www.mozilla.org/releases/old-releases-1.1-1.4rc3.html 1.3 for Mac OS9 did exist at some time and you can find unoffical variants here http://wamcom.org/ and here htt

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

On 2/8/06 11:35 AM, "Steve Green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would hardly call OSX an 'upgrade' - it's a major investment. It's not > just the £100 or so for the OS, it's the cost of all the new applications > like an office suite and all the other stuff you need plus the installation > time a

RE: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

2 August 2006 1:42 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats) On 2/8/06 11:35 AM, "Steve Green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would hardly call OSX an 'upgrade' - it's a major investment. It's not > just the £100 or so for

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

Also sprach Nick Cowie: The most recent/advanced browser for Mac OS9 is Mozilla 1.2.1 was the last offical stable release available from mozilla.orghttp://www.mozilla.org/releases/old- releases-1.1-1.4rc3.html The most recent /Mozilla/ for OS9 is 1.2.1, but one could argue that iCab is f

RE: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

Someone wrote: Out of interest, does anyone know how many OS 9 users are still out there? Amazing timing: 30 mintues ago I got a call from a user of our site (a department in a major public health institution) to say our site "doesn't work" for him. I established that he is using IE5/Mac (OS9)

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

Hi, 30 mintues ago I got a call from a user of our site (a department in a major public health institution) to say our site "doesn't work" for him. I established that he is using IE5/Mac (OS9). ... He took extreme umbrage ... You've experienced a web developer rite of passage - "phone call fro

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

To see what went wrong for them, you could run your site through browsercam (www.browsercam.com). The free trial will show you how it works and give you an idea of what your page looks like in IE5.2/Mac. ya, I'm doing that right now .. but I think I blew it .. messed up one of the settings, and

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

Sunny, I'm sorry you had to go through this. If developing for IE is a genuine issue for you, one of the things I do is I actually have a completely craptastic Windows laptop that I test every site I create on. It was given to me by my mother, runs Windows XP, I can't get the resolution to go abov

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

SunUp wrote: I know how to prevent v.4 browsers from getting my styles, but how do I stop IE5/Mac from getting them?? All I know how to do is to give them something different, not how to exclude them entirely. Wrap all styles you don't want IE/Mac to see in an @media rule. Georg --

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

On Aug 3, 2006, at 12:23 PM, SunUp wrote: I know how to prevent v.4 browsers from getting my styles, but how do I stop IE5/Mac from getting them?? All I know how to do is to give them something different, not how to exclude them entirely. wrap your entire stylesheet in a @media statement, lik

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

Dani wrote: If developing for IE is a genuine issue for you, ... I'm sure you could find a cheapish one on eBay or something similar; Thanks Dani, but I have IE5, IE5.5 and IE6.0 running on my PC, .. it's not that... (although IE7 testing is proving difficult).. It's the Mac problem. There'

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

one of the things I do is I actually have a completely craptastic Windows laptop that I test every site I create on. On a related note... apparently Virtual PC is now free! http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtualpc/default.mspx I haven't had time to play with it though Ben -- ---

RE: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

Sunny wrote: > I know how to prevent v.4 browsers from getting my styles, but how do > I stop IE5/Mac from getting them?? All I know how to do is to give them > something different, not how to exclude them entirely. see: http://centricle.com/ref/css/filters/ @import url('styles.css'); /* ex

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

Gotcha. Do you have Classic Mode at work? I've seen some places have it. Cheers, Dani On 8/2/06 11:57 PM, "SunUp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dani wrote: >> If developing for IE is a genuine issue for you, ... I'm sure you could find >> a cheapish one >> on eBay or something similar; > > Tha

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

On 3/8/06 2:18 PM, "Ben Buchanan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> one of the things I do is I actually have a completely >> craptastic Windows laptop that I test every site I create on. > > On a related note... apparently Virtual PC is now free! > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtualpc/defau

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

On 8/3/06, Geoff wrote: see: http://centricle.com/ref/css/filters/ @import url('styles.css'); /* excludes NS4, Mac IE5 */ @import 'styles.css'; /* excludes NS4, IE4, Mac IE5 */ I guess I'll have to try this. Right now I have this in the head of all my html pages: @import "css/base.css"; /

RE: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

SunUp wrote: > It's the Mac problem. There's no way my department's budget > will extend to purchasing an old Mac just for testing purposes, > and even if that happened, I'd then have a fight on my hands > with our IT department about network points and security issues. If I was in that sit

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

* refuse to support Macs and refer any compaints to the boss and the IT department. Looks like that's the way to go, because .. * find a friend or collegue with Mac and ask them for help don't have any .. * buy a cheap iMac and test at home not in any financial position to even consid

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

I agree with all of this. You could probably find an old classic iMac on eBay or Craigslist for not a wicked lot of money. Cheers, Dani ~~ Dani Nordin the zen kitchen Graphic and web design with a touch of green 1 Fitchburg Street, B160 Somerville, MA 02143 401.787.5178 mo

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

On 8/2/06 11:57 PM, "SunUp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd then have a fight on my hands with our IT > department about network points and security issues. Security issues? From a Mac?? If they can maintain security with Windows workstations, they don't need to worry about adding a Mac..

FW: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

> From: Tom Livingston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 08:22:25 -0400 > To: > Conversation: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats) > Subject: Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats) > >> I'd then have a fight on my hands with

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

On 8/3/06, Geoff Pack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: SunUp wrote: > It's the Mac problem. There's no way my department's budget > will extend to purchasing an old Mac just for testing purposes, If I was in that situation, I would either: * refuse to support Macs and refer any compaints to the bos

RE: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

> Sunny wrote: > >> I know how to prevent v.4 browsers from getting my styles, but >> how do I stop IE5/Mac from getting them?? All I know how to do is >> to give them >> something different, not how to exclude them entirely. >> On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 13:54:46 +1000, Geoff Pack replied: > > see: http:/

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

> * refuse to support Macs and refer any compaints to the boss and the IT > department. Amen to that. There's no reason to be forced to support hardware it your department won't make allowances for testing on it. If they want you to support it, they need to make that possible. They couldn't ca

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

On 8/3/06, SunUp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > * refuse to support Macs and refer any compaints to the boss and the IT > > department. > > Amen to that. There's no reason to be forced to support hardware it > your department won't make allowances for testing on it. If they want > you to support

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

SunUp wrote: > * refuse to support Macs and refer any compaints to the boss and the IT > department. Amen to that. There's no reason to be forced to support hardware it your department won't make allowances for testing on it. If they want you to support it, they need to make that possible.

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

I know it seems incredible, but there are many large businesses that I know of that will only allow IE to be used. I was as shocked as you but on further investigation into one such organisation it seemed to be a matter of cost as the users didn't have permission to download any programmes/software

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

L-J Lacey wrote: I know it seems incredible, but there are many large businesses that I know of that will only allow IE to be used. I was as shocked as you but on further investigation into one such organisation it seemed to be a matter of cost as the users didn't have permission to download any

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

L-J Lacey wrote: I know it seems incredible, but there are many large businesses that I know of that will only allow IE to be used. I was as shocked as you but on further investigation into one such organisation it seemed to be a matter of cost as the users didn't have permission to download any

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

Mark, I agree with you 100%. I understand why the IT teams have to do it, but wish they'd have a little leeway at times (ie when a non pleb wants to use something a lot better than IE). > The IT managers who have my respect are the ones who > recognize that not > all users are created equally and

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

e chaos! - Original Message From: Mark Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Friday, 4 August, 2006 9:34:31 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats) L-J Lacey wrote: > I know it seems incredible, but there are many large > businesses