Yes, I do get a little behind from time to time...
I thought about the second switch but took it one step farther and added
both the second switch, a second pump (with two check valves leading to the
same discharge pipe) and an alarm to tell me when this second pump came
into action.
Norm
S/V
My shower sump consists of a well in the floor of the shower (all
fiberglass over styrofoam) with a perforated sheet (the screen) of
stainless covering it. The pump - one of those square Rule pumps - and
float switch are in the sump. I like this pump because it is square and so
fits the square
email problems
Norm
S/V Bandersnatch
Lying Julington Creek FL
Welcome Back, Norm!
Where've you been?
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Congrats on the cat. How about a photo and a name?
Ours are thriving.
Hope to see you again.
Norm
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We bought a nice 27' Shasta (Ford E350 chassis) Class C (cab over type) off
Craig's List for $7.5K.
You can park in Walmart or Sam's Club for free and go to a RV place
periodically ($25-$40 per night) to dump and fill.
Storage when you're not using the rig can be a problem. Try a relative,
Please give him a copy of my fuel system message, somewhere in the archives.
Basically, now would be the time to provide for sucking the fuel (and more to
the point, the water) from the lowest part of the tank. A well for the water
(and glop) to accumulate in would be even better, with the
Ahoy All,
I am back on email, at least for today...
I used some PEX type stuff, Shark Bite from Lowe's I think, lately to fix a
cracked T fitting (a common problem due to an error in mixing the plastic
of the fitting) in my polybutyl galley plumbing.
It worked OK but it is important to cut
I'm back
Norm
S/V Bandersnatch
Lying Julington Creek FL
[Original Message]
From: Philip McConnell p.mcconn...@sv-gryphon.net
To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com
Date: 12/15/2011 3:36:40 PM
Subject: [Liveaboard] Any other lists more active?
This list appear to be pretty much dead.
Jim,
Sorry for the very late response, I'm having trouble with my email.
Here is a strange but true engine trouble.
A portion of the inside layer of fuel hose became detached from the main
body of the hose. When fuel suction became full throttle the suction would
pull the inner lining away
False assumption. I read about it in a magazine years ago.
Norm, assuming you're relating this 'cause it happened to you, how the
hell
did you figure out the problem? Did you just start pulling and inspecting
individual hoses until you saw the problem?
Recently in Norfolk a neighbor got salt water in his fresh water and then
overflow from the radiator cap.
Turned out to be a rust-blocked water nozzle in the exhaust elbow bulding
up the seawater back pressure until the salt water entered the fresh water
at the fancy rubber elbow on the heat
I'm getting doubles too sometimes. Must be the summer witches...
Norm
S/V Bandersnatch
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Ahoy Steve,
My setup has a house battery (Trojan L16HC x4) and a starting battery (8D)
connected by one of Andina's Combiners. I normally charge the house
battery via solar or wind or main engine alternator or genset and the
starting battery automatically gets topped up. This arrangement has
Jan asked that I forward the following message to the List.
Norm
S/V Bandersnatch
To all those concerned about my son.
David's surgery to remove his injured foot to save his life was accomplished
yesterday.:
All is going well.
The surgery was long but recovery is going well and the pain
A postscript to my latest message describing Ahmet's Equalizer.
I thought Ahmet was quite clear in his explanation of the device he had
come up with. It was clear to me at least.
A very efficient DC/DC power converter (after a bulk charge with the
engine or Honda 2000)
takes the energy from
I have noticed that lately, perhaps in the heat of all the fun, some folks
have forgotten to trim the quoted tails from their outgoing messages.
Some of us are bandwidth challenged and/or have to pay by the byte (like
myself).
Remember that every List message gets a information tail and these
Ahmet,
I think many of us are interested in this device/technique and were just
waiting to read about it from you on the List
Norm
S/V Bandersnatch
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Yes. I wish I had paid more attention, but I read an announcement that a
free upgrade, to v6. something I believe, was available and when I agreed
to it the fun started.
Norm
S/V Bandersnatch
I picked up Trojan Agent 20577 today when I though I was downloading and
running a update to
For those who are interested.
Jan's son David has lost his fierce fight to save his foot. Damaged in a
motorcycle accident, it was broken into three pieces. After months of
intense pain involving multiple bone and flesh surgeries, a record number
of hyperbaric treatments, painful skin grafts,
I picked up Trojan Agent 20577 today when I though I was downloading and
running a update to my Firefox. I was running v5 something and the new,
bad, one was a v6.something I think.
After looking on line using Internet Explorer, which wasn't affected, I
first found several sites that offered
I know what you mean.
Jan gave me a round tu-it the other day. It looked alot like a rubber jar
lid opener, but she said it was round, and facilitated getting things done.
I'll let you know...
Norm
S/V Bandersnatch
Someday,
when I have Lots of Free Time [laugh], I might even implement
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Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 7:22:16 PM
Subject: [Liveaboard] Jan's son David
For those who are interested.
Jan's son David has lost his fierce fight to save his foot. Damaged
Yes, but it depends on the amount of sun and/or wind.
I can go about two days without bright sun or wind. With 1,300 Watts of PV
if the sun shines brightly I can easily keep up. The wind spinners (two
KISS units) do not put out as much as the PV but help stave off the use of
the genset. The
Yes,
The TV folks are quite sloppy with their facts. I have actually heard them
contradict themselves in the same sentence.
I wish they would learn the difference between quantity and number. There
*are* five gallons in the tank; the tank *is* half full. And to think most
of these folks
Paul,
Next time you might want to try the Chrysler externally regulated
alternator I use. Available at most all auto parts stores as stock item
and you don't have to open it up.
If you want the number I will get it next time I visit the boat.
Norm
S/V Bandersnatch
On my setup, I have
We are looking forward to it with great pleasure. What a bonus it would be
if Ben were there too.
Norm
S/V Bandersnatch
Just waiting for your arrival in OB, Norm. Actually I just wrote Ben
off-list and suggested the same thing - that he get his butt up here also!
Ben,
How about folding outriggers?
Sun Electronics in Miami is where I get my PV.
They have a large selection and move pallet loads of PV. I suspect most
goes to Central/South America.
The prices these days vary from about .75/watt to $3/watt.
I was by Harbor Freight and Northern Tool
All,
I am absolutely delighted with the buzz my simple question has stirred up
on the List. I guess I won't have to ask what sort of weapon I should have
aboard for a while...
I was reading everything in the Question thread aloud to Jan this
morning and just as she mentioned how much fun it
http://www.schusterusa.com/announcements.shtml#pui_programindicator
Norm
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PUI Programmable Indicator
Programmable Indicator with 30 Seconds of WAV or MP3 ...
PUI Audio is proud to announce our new Programmable Indicator that allows
you to program up to 30 seconds of any WAV or MP3 file via USB from your
computer. With the
WOW - Great Response to my little question.
Before I asked the List I spent about an hour on line trying to answer the
question myself but everything I saw was inconclusive.
But I did see some thing that addressed your comments.
If I recall from submarine personnel you will suffocate due
I am not sure what Apollo 13 used for the CO2 scrubber, but the most common,
quicklime, absorbs the CO2 without returning any O2 to the environment. They
did have O2, but had to get rid of the CO2.
Norm
S/V Bandersnatch
If I remember correctly they made the scrubbers because they did not
. Eastern Daylight Time,
banders...@earthlink.net writes:
A friend and I are having a discussion.
If one is locked in an airtight compartment, does one die of lack of oxygen
or carbon dioxide poisoning?
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Why don't you just change the diode?
The ouput might be high because some voltage was dropped across the diode.
Norm
S/V Bandersnatch
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From: Stephen Petri spe...@optonline.net
To: Live Aboard List liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com
Date: 4/22/2011 2:38:35 PM
Subject:
Ahmet,
I see the confusion. How can the inverter produce 120vac output from the
batteries yet also charge the batteries at the same time since both actions use
the inverter's transformers.
I will make a note to investigate this the next time I go to the boat and get
back to you.
The primary
The below is an old message that somehow got sidetracked. Perhaps it may
be useful to someone yet... Norm
My Trace 12VDC 2.5KW inverter has an input for 120vac and an output for
120vac. When 120vac appears on the input the inverter instantly connects
the input to the output and disconnects
Ahmet,
I am familiar with the cigarette gratuities handed out to port officials as I
did the handing out in Siri Lanka and Taiwan when I was working in that area.
The Egyptians seemed to be the worst, like rats swarming all over the ship but
I was not directly involved there. I kept my door
Ahmet,
I just got back from a trip out of town so any advice I give now is probably
out of date.
I can second Steve's advice. Don't hit anything is the most important thing.
Don't sink, don't catch on fire, don't run out of gas or water, don't let
anyone fall overboard, and try not to spend
Jan prints a lot in color on her HP printers and gets her ink from Staples.
Staples has special deals on printer inks. Old carts can be turned in for $2
credit up to 10 per month.
You can sign up for a Discount Card, like the discount cards at the
supermarket, that gives a 10% rebate
Yes I have and it is fabulous!
The SR-71 Blackbird they have there, on its delivery trip. went from the
California coastline to Dulles Airport in one hour, ten minutes. That's about
2,500 mph. They even have a F-4C Phantom, an airplane I worked on for three
years in the USAF, and a DC-3, the
Would that called a crowbar circuit or a sledgehammer circuit?
It's amazing it worked at all for more than a few seconds, much less 20
years!!!
Perhaps the reed switch was spared arcing damage because the low impedance
secondary of the transformer dampened the induction collapse spikes.
But I
With all the talk about the U-505 in Chicago Jan and I are considering a RV
trip across the northern tier of the United States instead of (or perhaps
with a Chesapeake cruise instead of New England) our usual summer trek on
Bandersnatch.
We would be grateful for all suggestions about places to
Ben,
I suggest using LEDs instead of neon. Neons get lazy with time and may
require some sort of lampholder. LEDs are available with lampholder
included at Radio Shack. They may even be available in a flashing style.
Norm
S/V Bandersnatch
Hmmm. I'm noodling on a circuit that would detect
For those who don't know, Tom O'Meara created St Brendan's Isle as a
project to earn cruising money. The first address [of four different and
each one an order of magnitude larger facilities] was actually his home!
St Brendan's Isle was the name of Tom's boat.
Thank you Tom, for giving St
Ben,
For sure your Whistler inverter is very cost effective so you can spend the
remainder on other goodies.
My Trace was $2K but there *are* lots of bells and whistles. It is
microprocessor controlled and can be set up for selling back power to the
grid in various ways, even turning on a
I have used St Brendan's Isle, a mailing service, for about two decades.
Almost all my mail goes there and they forward it as a package however and
wherever I ask them to. As in FedEx overnight to a local address wherever
we may be.
Good luck on a marina helping you. Some will, some won't.
I forgot to answer your question.
How about a relay operated by the output of the inverter that would unpower
the shore power cord. But that would use coil power whenever your inverter
was on.
How about a relay that only connects the shore power cable to the boat (and
disconnects the inverter)
My Trace 12VDC 2.5KW inverter has an input for 120vac and an output for
120vac. When 120vac appears on the input the inverter instantly connects
the input to the output and disconnects itself. Then it synchronizes
itself to the input (takes about five seconds), then parallels itself to
the
The story on the batteries I heard was that they were probably used for
electroplating jewelry. I think they were in Iraq. They did reproduce the
batteries and they worked like they thought they would.
Norm
S/V Bandersnatch
Last thing I saw that they did was something about how ancient
Jim,
That's a new one for me. I have no idea why that should be so. Perhaps a
call to the pump company...
Norm
S/V Bandersnatch
[Original Message]
From: Jim Lynch j...@fayettedigital.com
To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com
Date: 2/27/2011 6:26:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Fresh
Roy,
Thanks for the fill-in on the Enigma, it is a fascinating story.
I did read somewhere, on Wikipedia I think, that there are software Enigma
emulators available. Perhaps the Naval Version would be appropriate for us.
Some have said every email we write should be encrypted as all our email
I have always used #6 SO cord (good for 50 amps), three conductor with
black jacket, available at HD or Lowe's, for shore power cords.
I made my primary cord with crimped and soldered ring terminals on the ship
end and a range plug (also from HD/Lowe's) on the other. I made a 60'
extension
I use an old stainless (or chrome plated) soda/acid type fire extinguisher
mounted upside down but the PVC pipe idea sounds like a good one to me.
The main problem will be that the water absorbs the air cushion in time and
the air bubble will get smaller and smaller causing the pump to
Another thing I did that might help.
Instead of using the pressure switch that comes built into a domestic water
pump, I used a hardware-store bought pressure switch as used on a shallow
well pump. The switch contacts are *much* more robust (mine have lasted
nearly 30 years) and it is easily
Gregg,
Thanks for the reminder. That museum and the U-505 has always been on my
list of things to do if I ever get in the Chicago area.
It always saddens me to see large objects of historic value left outdoors
to decay. There is an Apollo rocket in Canaveral, now in a proper
building, that
The ferry in question is a large cat. I rode an almost identical one from
Wales to Dublin and back a couple of years ago. They are very fast, 30+ kts,
but need relatively calm water, but if the seas are above a certain height they
will strike the hull connecting the two amahs and can do
The enigma machine did not use cams; they were rotating switches.
The enigma machine consisted of a number of wheels (starting at four
wheels, but the number increased as the war went on to add complexity to
the hash), a mechanical keyboard with electric contacts on the keys, a
patch panel with
Our Sundanzer by Electrolux refrigerator and physically identical freezer
hold five cubic feet each and use 25 watts (about 2A at 12VDC) each when
running. We never measured it but guess at 100AH/day - but of course much
depends on the ambient temperature.
About the size of small chest-type
When I was in the USAF I went to school on a doppler nav system. It shot
three beams of radar down to the ground and measured the doppler shift for
speed of travel and had a mechanical analog computer. It didn't last long
because the radar beams violated radio silence or so we were told.
But
Have you ever noticed that an abacus has unnecessary beads?
After the one counters get up to four the next one makes it five and you
zero the five one beads and move a five bead over. The fifth one bead is
not needed because once it is moved the one row is zeroed.
Same with the second
Jim,
So sorry we missed you.
Keep our phone number, maybe we will get close again.
Did you notice Bandersnatch? It is the boat farthest west in Julington
Creek. Two wind generators - no masts.
Have a safe and fun trip south...
Norm
S/V Bandersnatch
Lying Julington Creek FL
N30 07.68 W081
Jim, when you solve your Link 2000 problem please let us know how you did
it...
Norm
S/V Bandersnatch
Lying Julington Creek FL
N30 07.68 W081 38.47
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Jim.
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Jim,
Do you have a current measuring shunt on the negative line of EACH
battery
bank?
Norm
S/V Bandersnatch
Lying Julington Creek FL
N30 07.68 W081 38.47
[Original Message]
From: Jim Lynch j
Jim,
Do you have a current measuring shunt on the negative line of EACH battery
bank?
Norm
S/V Bandersnatch
Lying Julington Creek FL
N30 07.68 W081 38.47
[Original Message]
From: Jim Lynch j...@fayettedigital.com
To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com
Date: 2/12/2011 2:26:31 PM
Subject:
On Bandersnatch we have a stove identical to the model 63-5200 at
NorthernTool.com
I forget where we got it, but it is the one described above.
I believe they come in one burner and three burner versions too.
The good points are:
1. Jan loves it!
2. With three valves for each burner, you
I should have added:
I built a welded aluminum box from 3/16 plate to house our two-burner
stove. There are bits of aluminum angle on the counter top to keep the
affair from sliding yet make it easy to remove for cleaning.
There a piece of 18 gauge ss sheet metal on the bulkhead behind the
Ahmet,
There was no tube strapped to the suction hose. If we wanted to add an air
hose we could have used a air operated pump at the bottom of the hose.
The air hole in the pipe was small, perhaps a quarter inch. The pipe was
perhaps 1 1/2 diameter.
The diaphragm pumps pulled the water up
Electrical connectors, especially the shore power connectors, on boats are
a big source of electrical overheating because the contacts are subject to
corrosion and thus increasing the resistance of the connection producing
excessive heat. Even without harsh conditions connectors are a
While I have no experience with steel hulled boats, I do have some
observations that may help.
Dissimilar metals are not subject to galvanic corrosion if electrically
insulated from each other so a stainless or bronze valve might work if
threaded into a steel, internally threaded, thru-hull
I presume your PDQ36 is a fiberglass boat.
I find it hard to believe the seacock in your ac cooling system was bronze.
I suspect it was brass, and poor quality brass at that. Brass is subject
to de-zincification in seawater turning into sponge copper.
I have had no discernable disintergration
Being not nearly as strong as Big Ben, my approach is nothing I can tear
off by standing on it. as when struggling to deal with some other
approaching disaster.
My seacocks are the W-C flanged base tapered bronze seacocks (equipped with
ss grease fittings in place of their drain plugs) and are
Lee,
Excellent reporting on the marina fire.
Thank you.
Norm
S/V Bandersnatch
Lying Julington Creek FL
N30 07.68 W081 38.47
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To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com
Sent: 1/9/2011 6:16:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Marina Fire
Lee,
All the 4
Last week in Jan's condo the outlets in the guest and master bedroom went
dead.
I checked the breaker box and found that the line to the guest bedroom was
live.
It went to one box in the string then all the others followed in two series
strings, one for each room. I started opening boxes
Ahoy Ahmet,
Dr. Oz is a heart surgeon who was a frequent guest on the Oprah TV show
lecturing about health issues and now has his own show.
He was born in the US of Turkish parents who are also doctors.
Norm
S/V Bandersnatch
Lying Julington Creek FL
N30 07.68 W081 38.47
BTW who is Dr. Oz? A
W081 38.47
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From: Lew Hodgett lewhodg...@verizon.net
To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com
Date: 12/11/2010 4:49:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Low Voltage 240
banders...@earthlink.net wrote:
At Green Cove Springs Marina, south of Jacksonville FL, where I
lived for 8
That reminds me of the most impressive fast safety device I have ever seen
demonstrated.
It was installed on a table saw. If a finger touched the blade the device
drove an aluminum wedge between the blade and the table so fast the blade
stoped instantly and the finger was undamaged.
It was
I personally have never felt a tingle when I touched a lamp.
On a properly wired lamp neither the neutral nor the hot is in contact with
any exposed metal parts. Furthermore, the neutral is supposed to be
connected to the bulb socket's screw threads, not the contact at the bottom
of the socket.
It has been some time since we have had this discussion on the List, and I
don't dock, so my memory is a bit fuzzy about it.
I seem to recall that grounding the green conductor to boat ground
completes a loop with the other end being the green conductor connected to
earth ashore at the
Ahoy Al,
I understand the wisdom of connecting all the touchable metal parts of
electrical equipment to ship's earth so the bilge water and all touchable metal
parts will be at the same voltage as the earth and I do this on my vessel.
It is also a good idea to have a way to measure the ac
Ahoy Jim,
Your new boat sounds like a large antique wooden motorboat. You will need
all the help you can get.
A friend of mine had a pre-WW2 Trumpy 86' wooden motorsailer and it ended
up killing him. He got heat prostration working on the planking in the
summer in Florida, was taken to the
There should be a special place in Hell where design engineers have to live
with their work.
Norm
S/V Bandersnatch
Lying Julington Creek FL
N30 07.68 W081 38.47
Until 2004, these had only 2 lip seals and the slinger was an O ring on
the
shaft. If the pump started dry, it would overheat
To be fair, it's not just engineers. Recall that Van Gough's brother had
to almost rip the paintings out of Vincent's hands to get them to market.
Norm
S/V Bandersnatch
Lying Julington Creek FL
N30 07.68 W081 38.47
To quote my brother, who is an engineer working primarily in
engineering
that party is on the List because I suggested it to him while having lunch
with and he and his wife a few days ago in Ocean Springs MS. I don't know how
much experience Matt has fixing machinery but he impressed me as being quite
intelligent and I believe that overhauling a seawater pump is a
Ahoy Bill,
I suggest you send a copy of your recent message to the list too.
I have used Apollo ball valves for years but I have on issue with them.
In the standard valve that can be found in West and hardware stores, the
body is bronze, the ball is chromed bronze, but the stem and the
Ahoy All,
I have come across a line of pressure gauges that I can recommend.
The brand name is Wika and I get them from:
http://www.dfs-gauges.com/category/pressure-gauges/industrial-gauges.aspx
Their web site has problems, at least with my Firefox browser. I ended up
writing down the stock
Warming the air increases its ability to hold water, therefore the relative
humidity will decrease as the air warms.
When the air cools, its ability to hold water decreases, raising the
relative humidity.
Thus, humidity is relative to the temperature. This is why weather
forecasters have
All electric resistance heaters (those that are not heat pumps using a
freon exchange system) are 100% efficient. They all turn all the electric
Watts you put into them into heat.
Heat is not measured in tons (air conditioners are, - A ton of cooling
power is one ton of ice melting in 24
Ahoy All,
I have several books looking for a good home with someone who is
contemplating designing their own boat.
I will part with them for the shipping costs, probably about $10.
Yacht Designing and Planning by Chapelle
Skene's Elements of Yacht Design
Practical Ferro-Cement Boatbuilding
That reminds me of a sad story.
The much beloved first wife of Richard Fenyman, a gifted physicist who
worked on the first atom bombs and later was head of Cal Tech, was ill and
the doctors couldn't figure out what was wrong with her. Richard set about
the task himself but the first diagnosis
To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com
Date: 11/23/2010 8:25:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Batteries
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 07:26:12PM -0500, banders...@earthlink.net wrote:
The shorted cell will rapidly discharge itself so a shorted cell will
have
a very low specific gravity. The hydrometer float
My V6 Detroit Diesel main engine has two 3' lengths of 3 id flex hose from
the exhaust manifolds to the exhaust piping that have carried me 38,000
miles flawlessly in the past 30 years.
These flex sections are not the spiral wrap style, but are a sort of
accordion style with rounded individual
We also had that glow plug problem with Jan's 240D in cold weather.
Diagnosed by mechanics advice and confirmed with ohm meter. Replaced the
glow plugs and the engine started right up.
Speaking of diesel and cold weather, I recently read about a fuel problem
story involving a B-52 airplane.
(see annotations below)
Norm
S/V Bandersnatch
Lying Julington Creek FL
N30 07.68 W081 38.47
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From: Lew Hodgett lewhodg...@verizon.net
To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com
Date: 11/15/2010 6:16:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Float Switches
banders...@earthlink.net
I have received three warnings from Earthlink, my email carrier, about
virus laden messages referring to DHL package services. I seem to recall
reading about this virus leading people to believe they have a package
coming to them to entice them to click on a URL to get the package
delivered.
I know what you mean about the Rule switches. I use them but have lots of
spares on hand. However:...
I have a Johnson brand bilge pump and switch in my dinghy that works very
well. It is a small pump, like you would expect for a dinghy, and includes
a small (about twice the size of a
I just recieved a message from Sailboat Stuff today [verbatim below]
concerning my inquiry about various items. I don't know if this clears
anything up but I thought I would pass it on to the list.
Dear Mr. Johnson-
Thank you for your inquiry.
Unfortunately, with ABI's going out of
Abi is the guy's last name actually. I think his first name is Ron.
I bought some stuff from him.
Had some trouble with the windlass. The wildcat measurements in his catalog
were correct and fit my chain perfectly but the actual wildcats were wrong. I
had to send him a sample of chain
Ahoy Skip,
I have two KISS wind generators aboard and so I read with special interest
the description of your experiences with your unit.
Since you mentioned you had the unit apart to check the bearings I know you
are familiar with the insides of the machine.
You mentioned special circuitry to
Be careful rounding the north end of Sandy Hook. The shore is much closer to
the big ship channel than the charts show. Ed and Sue grounded there a few
weeks ago.
When we left Sandy Hook for Cape May Tuesday night I had plotted my route to go
just outside the south edge of the ship channel
It wasn't really the government folks preparing for the worst case
scenario that earned my scorn.
I have no complaint about preparedness. I do it myself from time to time.
While some said it was good practice for the emergency services, overdoing
things can be expensive, draining resources
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