[LUTE] Re: viol and theorbo

2009-07-15 Thread David van Ooijen
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:19 AM, hera caiuscaiush2...@yahoo.com wrote:   I am searching for some music for renaissance viol and theorbo... A theorbo being a baroque instrument and a renaissance viol a, well, renaissance instrument, you'll have to compromise somewhere, but this should

[LUTE] Re: viol and theorbo

2009-07-15 Thread Eleanor Smith
...@gmail.com: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:19 AM, hera caiuscaiush2...@yahoo.com wrote: I am searching for some music for renaissance viol and theorbo... A theorbo being a baroque instrument and a renaissance viol a, well, renaissance instrument, you'll have to compromise somewhere, but this should

[LUTE] Re: viol and theorbo

2009-07-15 Thread Sal Salvaggio
Hille Perl and Lee Santana recenty put out a duo cd of music for viol and lute/theorbo etc. --- On Wed, 7/15/09, Eleanor Smith s0347...@sms.ed.ac.uk wrote: From: Eleanor Smith s0347...@sms.ed.ac.uk Subject: [LUTE] Re: viol and theorbo To: David van Ooijen davidvanooi

[LUTE] Re: viol and theorbo

2009-07-15 Thread David Tayler
for renaissance viol and theorbo... A theorbo being a baroque instrument and a renaissance viol a, well, renaissance instrument, you'll have to compromise somewhere, but this should not distract you in any way from playing beautiful music together. 16th century music Ortiz, but not the diminutions

[LUTE] Re: viol and theorbo

2009-07-15 Thread William Brohinsky
. That said, what makes a ren viol renaissance? shape and color, mostly. For that matter, few can tell the difference between a german ren viol and a french 6-string baroque bass. That said, the whole of basso continuo is open to your bass violist, and any viol solo with a BC part that the theorbo can

[LUTE] An enigma to be solved by the theorbo players! :-)

2009-06-26 Thread wikla
Dear theorbo players, I have a problem in finding the model of one part of an anonymous therobo arr in Res-1106 made of Lully's music. In page http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/Tiorba/deVisee/Res1106/EntreeDeProserpine_f98v.pdf you can find the theorbo arr. made of the material

[LUTE] Used Theorbo/13 Course lute?

2009-06-06 Thread Drew Villeneuve
Hello everybody, I am a high school student interested in purchasing a used/new theorbo or 13 course lute with music scholarship money I won. I am particularly interested in any small french and large Italian Theorbos. Due to the unfortunate lack of funds provided to me

[LUTE] Re: Used Theorbo/13 Course lute?

2009-06-06 Thread Ed Durbrow
On Jun 7, 2009, at 1:24 AM, Drew Villeneuve wrote: Hello everybody, I am a high school student interested in purchasing a used/new theorbo or 13 course lute with music scholarship money I won. ... I have to limit instruments to +/- 3500 US dollars. A theorbo for that price may

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dutch theorbo painting online

2009-05-10 Thread Lutesoc
Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dutch theorbo painting online To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 5:39 PM On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 11:08 PM, wi...@cs.helsinki.fi wrote: And upside down, at that. And now we all

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dutch theorbo painting online

2009-05-10 Thread chriswilke
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dutch theorbo painting online

2009-05-09 Thread Lutesoc
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dutch theorbo painting online

2009-05-09 Thread Martin Eastwell
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dutch theorbo painting online

2009-05-09 Thread David Rastall
On May 9, 2009, at 4:07 PM, Martin Eastwell wrote: If I remember correctly, Holbein in The Ambassadors painted a broken string on the octave of the 4th course. One would naturally tend to depict course one as broken, but of course the octave on the 4th course is only a tone below course

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dutch theorbo painting online

2009-05-09 Thread chriswilke
David, --- On Fri, 5/8/09, David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com wrote: From: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dutch theorbo painting online To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 5:39 PM On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 11:08 PM, wi

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dutch theorbo painting online

2009-05-09 Thread howard posner
On May 9, 2009, at 3:12 PM, chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote: In all seriousness - WERE there even left handed people around at this time and in this culture? Before my time I'm told, kids in American schools were ALL forced to write with the right hand. Left handedness was not tolerated. This

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dutch theorbo painting online

2009-05-09 Thread David van Ooijen
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 12:12 AM, chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote: In all seriousness - WERE there even left handed people around at this time and in this culture? Recorders had double holes at the foot, allowing for dexterity as well as sinister playing. The holes you didn't use had to be filled

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Dutch theorbo painting online

2009-05-08 Thread theoj89294
Sotheby's New York will be auctioning a Dutch painting of a theorbo gamba  (the woman doesn't appear to know how to hold a theorbo there are interesting f-holes on the gamba) LOT 45  ADRIAEN VAN DER WERFF, EGLON HENDRICK VAN DER NEER ADRIAEN VAN DER WERFF, KRALINGEN-AMBACHT 1659

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dutch theorbo painting online

2009-05-08 Thread David van Ooijen
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 2:20 PM, theoj89...@aol.com wrote: Sotheby's New York will be auctioning a Dutch painting of a theorbo gamba (the woman doesn't appear to know how to hold a theorbo I'd call that a Dutch-head lute or possibly English theorbo, but what's far more interesting: she's

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dutch theorbo painting online

2009-05-08 Thread Martin Eastwell
...@aol.com wrote: Sotheby's New York will be auctioning a Dutch painting of a theorbo gamba (the woman doesn't appear to know how to hold a theorbo I'd call that a Dutch-head lute or possibly English theorbo, but what's far more interesting: she's holding the instrument left-handedly

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dutch theorbo painting online

2009-05-08 Thread David Rastall
On May 8, 2009, at 4:06 PM, theoj89...@aol.com wrote: I didn't even notice the broken strings... Such paintings were so often packed with subtle symbolism - Does anyone have an idea why the painter would go to the trouble of painting a lute with broken strings - what meaning would that

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dutch theorbo painting online

2009-05-08 Thread wikla
I didn't even notice the broken strings... Such paintings were so often packed with subtle symbolism - Does anyone have an idea why the painter would go to the trouble of painting a lute with broken strings - what meaning would that convey? And upside down, at that. And now we all HIP

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dutch theorbo painting online

2009-05-08 Thread wikla
Sorry: Also the left hand streching over the basses is something that will keep us busy in training... Of course this was about the RIGHT hand streching over the basses... Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Dutch theorbo painting online

2009-05-08 Thread Ed Durbrow
On May 8, 2009, at 9:55 PM, David van Ooijen wrote: Sotheby's New York will be auctioning a Dutch painting of a theorbo gamba (the woman doesn't appear to know how to hold a theorbo Judging from the broken strings she must be playing it with a razor blade. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan

[LUTE] Re: Dutch theorbo painting online

2009-05-08 Thread Anthony Hind
not just holding the lute the wrong way round, but the lute itself is unplayable! Martin On 8/5/09 13:55, David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 2:20 PM, theoj89...@aol.com wrote: Sotheby's New York will be auctioning a Dutch painting of a theorbo gamba

[LUTE] Ang: Re: Dutch theorbo painting online

2009-05-08 Thread kenneth.sp...@bredband.net
Dear list, there certainly are a number of possible interpretations of such paintings. We can be sure that most of the details of such a painting have a symbolic meaning which was clear to the viewer of that time but is more obscure to a contemporary ditto. I would advise a very humble

[LUTE] Re: Dutch theorbo painting online

2009-05-08 Thread David Tayler
...@googlemail.com To: Anthony Hind anthony.h...@noos.fr Cc: lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, May 8, 2009 4:31:21 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Dutch theorbo painting online Broken strings was a typical way for the artist to show 'discord' between the subjects. The Amabassadors

[LUTE] Re: theorbo

2009-04-13 Thread Leonard Williams
I love his Sanz Canarios on Baroque guitar. Is this recording anywhere but YouTube?? Leonard Williams On 4/11/09 1:01 AM, Sauvage Valéry sauvag...@orange.fr wrote: Some De Visee on YT : [1]http://www.youtube.com/user/R0billard V. -- References 1.

[LUTE] Re: theorbo

2009-04-13 Thread Leonard Williams
I meant to ask: Is Dominic Robillard making any recordings besides those on You Tube? Leonard On 4/11/09 1:01 AM, Sauvage Valéry sauvag...@orange.fr wrote: Some De Visee on YT : [1]http://www.youtube.com/user/R0billard V. -- References 1.

[LUTE] Re: theorbo

2009-04-11 Thread Ed Durbrow
That was great! On Apr 11, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Sauvage Valéry wrote: Some De Visee on YT : [1]http://www.youtube.com/user/R0billard Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/luteinfo.html -- To get on or off this list see list information

[LUTE] Lully theorbo arrangements by de Visee

2009-03-24 Thread wikla
Hi lutenists and hang around gang, I've played to the YouTube and Vimeo some arrangements of pieces by Lully. The arranger of these pieces is no less than Robert de Visee himself. You'll find the links, and also the music by de Visee, and _also_ most of the models, the original versions by

[LUTE] Theorbo sizes [was: Theorbo Nicki don't lose that number]

2009-02-22 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Howard, Praetorius does indeed give a G theorbo tuning and depicts two theorboes: one with a fingered string length of around 89cm ('Lang: Romanische Theorba: Chitarron') and the other of 97cm ('Paduanische Theorba'). But to suppose he would have expected a theorbo in A (even

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo sneezes

2009-02-22 Thread howard posner
theorbo in G, and thus a theorbo in A has to be smaller. Drop the assumption and the whole toy theorbo debate vanishes in a puff of logic. It was precisely the unecessary stringing of small theorboes (say, fingered string lengths around 76cm) Why, Martin, I believe this is the first time you've

[LUTE] Re: Toyota Theorbo for rent, low mileage

2009-02-21 Thread demery
the size of car boots. well, if one strips out the uneeded seats, A toyota echo sedan can take a modest amount of lumber 3m long with the 'boot' closed; should have no trouble with most long-necked beasties. -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Toyota Theorbo for rent, low mileage

2009-02-20 Thread Lex van Sante
The breaking point of treble strings is easily determined by just crancking them up to the point where the increase in pitch becomes very steep as shown by Mimmi Peruffo. There is a very interresting article on the stringing of lutes to be read and/or downloaded from his website at

[LUTE] Re: Toyota Theorbo for rent, low mileage

2009-02-20 Thread Daniel F Heiman
. Both of which are not evil, just modern factors that did not exist in the past. All the best Mark Mark: It is clear that if you have some imagination or ingenuity, the size of your theorbo is not limited by the size of your automobile... http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lsa/old/Cleveland2006

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo Nicki don't lose that number

2009-02-19 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Praetorius, Mace to name but two. --- On Wed, 18/2/09, howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote: From: howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: Theorbo Nicki don't lose that number To: lutelist Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Wednesday

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo Nicki don't lose that number

2009-02-19 Thread Roland Hayes
What about the Castaldi duets? What tuning for the smaller instrument? R -Original Message- From: Martyn Hodgson [mailto:hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 2:58 AM To: lutelist Net; howard posner Subject: [LUTE] Re: Theorbo Nicki don't lose that number

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo Nicki don't lose that number

2009-02-19 Thread howard posner
On Feb 19, 2009, at 6:12 AM, Roland Hayes wrote: What about the Castaldi duets? What tuning for the smaller instrument? R Just like the big one, an octave higher To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo Nicki don't lose that number

2009-02-19 Thread howard posner
multiplied by 28.536cm per BF) for its six fingerboard strings and an extension about twice that. Scaled down for a theorbo in A it would be about 79 cm. Would such an instrument be a toy? Praetorius' Paduanische Theorba is a 16-course instrument, also in G, about 96cm for the eight fingerboard strings

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo Nicki don't lose that number

2009-02-19 Thread howard posner
, if someone wanted to be obtuse about it (not that anyone around here would be obtuse) he could argue that the tiorbino, like the theorbo, was strung in double re-entrant tuning because the instrument was built to such a size that it was impossible to tune it as an octave lute in A. There are such large

[LUTE] Non-Toy Theorbo for rent

2009-02-19 Thread Stewart McCoy
to it? That sounds like quite a bit of the sort to me. You were asking Martyn Hodgson to produce a source with specific wording, for circumstances which must apply to every theorbo player. Unfortunately the implication is, that if he fails to do so, his arguments are specious, which

[LUTE] Re: Toyota Theorbo for rent, low mileage

2009-02-19 Thread Mark Wheeler
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: howard posner [mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 19. Februar 2009 22:52 An: Lute Net Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Toyota Theorbo for rent, low mileage On Feb 19, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Stewart McCoy wrote: Does some historical source say both

[LUTE] Re: Toyota Theorbo for rent, low mileage

2009-02-19 Thread Mark Wheeler
: Donnerstag, 19. Februar 2009 22:52 An: Lute Net Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Toyota Theorbo for rent, low mileage On Feb 19, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Stewart McCoy wrote: Does some historical source say both highest pitch possible and thinnest useable string in discussing theorbos? And if so

[LUTE] Re: Toyota Theorbo for rent, low mileage

2009-02-19 Thread chriswilke
? Chris --- On Thu, 2/19/09, Mark Wheeler l...@pantagruel.de wrote: From: Mark Wheeler l...@pantagruel.de Subject: [LUTE] Re: Toyota Theorbo for rent, low mileage To: 'howard posner' howardpos...@ca.rr.com, 'Lute Net' lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 5:59 PM Sorry All

[LUTE] Re: Toyota Theorbo for rent, low mileage

2009-02-19 Thread howard posner
On Feb 19, 2009, at 2:59 PM, Mark Wheeler wrote: I accidentally hit the send button before I got round to actually writing anything in the last post... I thought you were just being extremely concise. As far as cranking the string up, there are historical accounts of this Robinson

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo Nicki don't lose that number

2009-02-18 Thread howard posner
On Feb 18, 2009, at 3:26 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: However without troubling yourself to trawl these, you will also see from my recent postings that there's absolutely nothing 'wrong' with small theorboes but just that the use of large theorbo tuning (ie double reentrant in A or G

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale

2009-02-17 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Informed Performance' it is clearly daft to ignore historic precedent and practice. MH --- On Mon, 16/2/09, howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote: From: howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale To: lutelist

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale

2009-02-17 Thread Martyn Hodgson
--- On Tue, 17/2/09, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale To: David Rastall dlu...@verizon.net Date: Tuesday, 17 February, 2009, 8:30 AM

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo Relativity

2009-02-17 Thread Peter Nightingale
On Mon, 16 Feb 2009, David Tayler wrote: I only play a toy theorbo in public. The Lorentz Fitzgerald contractions. Horrible. dt The theorbo player last night, His fingers much faster than light; He started his play, In a relative way, The fall fell the previous night. (freely adapted from

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo Relativity

2009-02-17 Thread Lex van Sante
LOL Nice one! Lex van Sante Op 17 feb 2009, om 14:36 heeft Peter Nightingale het volgende geschreven: On Mon, 16 Feb 2009, David Tayler wrote: I only play a toy theorbo in public. The Lorentz Fitzgerald contractions. Horrible. dt The theorbo player last night, His fingers much faster

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale

2009-02-17 Thread David Rastall
On Feb 17, 2009, at 3:37 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: If we have any pretensions to 'Historically Informed Performance' Do you think we're all being pretentious? it is clearly daft to ignore historic precedent and practice. It's impossible to be 100% historical about anything. Besides,

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale

2009-02-17 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Pretension: justifiable claim (OED). --- On Tue, 17/2/09, David Rastall dlu...@verizon.net wrote: From: David Rastall dlu...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale To: hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: lutelist Net lute

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale

2009-02-17 Thread William Brohinsky
manage to borrow) a theorbo longer than some criteria (which hasn't really been stated, but is obviously longer than the 92mm/67mm instrument I played last semester), you are daft. Either you don't tune double-reentrant (thus satisfying Martyn and screwing up voice leading, which is daft) or you do

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale

2009-02-17 Thread David Rastall
On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:32 AM, William Brohinsky wrote: Is it somehow illegal to play music for long theorbos on short theorbos? If you wish to play the music of Kapsberger or Piccininni, but cannot afford to buy (or cannot manage to borrow) a theorbo longer than some criteria (which hasn't

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale

2009-02-17 Thread Guy Smith
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:32 AM, William Brohinsky wrote: Is it somehow illegal to play music for long theorbos on short theorbos? If you wish to play the music of Kapsberger or Piccininni, but cannot afford to buy (or cannot manage

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale

2009-02-17 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
: [LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:37 AM, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: However, for mysterious reasons, some modern players string small theorboes with low octaves on the second course even when wholly unnecessary

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale

2009-02-17 Thread David Rastall
French solo theorbo, and we know that music designed for double reentrant tuning was written for that instrument. Doesn't that constitute a justifiable claim that it isn't daft to string a French solo theorbo in double reentrant? David R dlu...@verizon.net -- To get on or off this list see list

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale

2009-02-17 Thread Mayes
[mailto:dlu...@verizon.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 8:10 AM To: William Brohinsky Cc: hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk; lutelist Net; howard posner Subject: [LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:32 AM, William Brohinsky wrote: Is it somehow illegal

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale

2009-02-17 Thread corun
The difference between me and a mad man is that I am not mad. - Salvador Dali those who dance are thought mad by those who don't hear the music Anon When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained. Mark Twain To get on or off this list see list

[LUTE] definitions, was Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale

2009-02-17 Thread Robert Clair
Pretension: state of the string before it is tuned up (BOB). -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale

2009-02-17 Thread Mark Wheeler
] Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Februar 2009 17:10 An: William Brohinsky Cc: hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk; lutelist Net; howard posner Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:32 AM, William Brohinsky wrote: Is it somehow illegal to play music for long

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale

2009-02-17 Thread David Rastall
theorbos, reentrant tuning became necessary. No problem so far. So if you have one of those small theorboes then tune the highest string (the 3rd course) to e, the first to d. You mean I should simulate on my small theorbo the conditions imposed upon the stringing by the big ones? I'm not so

[LUTE] Re: Non-Toy Theorbo for sale

2009-02-17 Thread howard posner
On Feb 17, 2009, at 12:19 PM, Mark Wheeler wrote: To be fair to Martyn, he is merely using one of the fundamentals of historical lute stringing, the highest string is tuned to the highest pitch that is possible with the thinnest useable string. * * * This is what they did back

[LUTE] Re: Non-Toy Theorbo for sale

2009-02-17 Thread Mark Wheeler
Dear David, You wrote You mean I should simulate on my small theorbo the conditions imposed upon the stringing by the big ones? I'm not so sure about that one... In regards to conditions between big and small theorbos, I don't see any difference, if the diapasons are also small or better said

[LUTE] Non-Toy Theorbo for sale

2009-02-17 Thread Stewart McCoy
Dear Howard, You are right to say that there was considerable variety in size, shape and tuning of the theorbo. Bigger instruments tend to be better for playing in consort or accompanying a singer, because the extra size gives a fuller sound. Smaller theorboes are better

[LUTE] Re: Non-Toy Theorbo for rent

2009-02-17 Thread howard posner
with what we know of Italian and French style of the day). 2. When was THEN? 1603? 1712? Was the the theorbo player in Handel's Giulio Cesare in London in 1724 stringing and playing his instrument the same way as the third theorbo player in Monteverdi's Orfeo in 1610? 3. What is the thinnest useable

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic-Nic Beeblbeeblbeebl ftang

2009-02-17 Thread howard posner
On Feb 17, 2009, at 5:43 PM, chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote: How many of us really follow this fundamental of lute stringing today? We tune our instruments to arbitrarily agreed upon pitches like 415, 392, 440 etc because its practical. If we were to do the truly historical thing, Jeff's G lute

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale

2009-02-16 Thread gary digman
] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale Dear Arto and all, After the brief discussion about theorbo prices, I looked around for of other makers prices to reevaluate the worth of my theorbo by Nico van der Waals I am currently offering for sale for 7900€ (original price was 8250€ back

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale

2009-02-16 Thread David Tayler
I think you should charge whatever you want for the Theorbo! I would add to the list you have: Quite a few professionals play Andreas von Holst's Theorbos, they run about 5000 Euro, And I don't know what Hassenfuss is charging but I often see his instruments at gigs and they used to reasonable

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale

2009-02-16 Thread Alfonso Marin
Dear Howard, What do you mean by TOY theorbo? Have you seen the pictures? Do you think Nico van der Waals will ever make a TOY instrument? Sorry. I don't get it. Greetings, Alfonso On Feb 15, 2009, at 7:18 PM, howard posner wrote: On Feb 15, 2009, at 4:31 AM, Alfonso Marin wrote: I

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale

2009-02-16 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Alfonso, A small theorbo is called a 'toy' theorbo when, because of its relatively small size which only really requires the first course to be at the lower octave, the second is also unnecessarily lowered: it's all down to how the individual player strings it, not some

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale

2009-02-16 Thread chriswilke
plain gut on my A-tuned 76cm theorbo. Its quite loud down to the 6th course - just as loud as when I had an overspun on there and definitely comparable to any larger theorbo. (I've had other instruments not nearly as loud.) Works great for both solo and ensemble. Chris To get

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale

2009-02-16 Thread howard posner
On Feb 16, 2009, at 11:50 AM, chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote: I currently have plain gut on my A-tuned 76cm theorbo. Is that what you were using on the Hurel recording? -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale

2009-02-16 Thread howard posner
The web gremlins made my equals sings into chutney. On Feb 16, 2009, at 12:10 PM, howard posner wrote: As far as I can tell, if Martyn thought about such things, he would say my theorbo is a toy at A92, definitely not a toy at AD0, and probably not a toy at AA5, before realizing

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale

2009-02-16 Thread David Rastall
On Feb 16, 2009, at 2:10 PM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: A small theorbo is called a 'toy' theorbo when, because of its relatively small size As I recall, toy is your own appellation, rather than some general historical definition. which only really requires the first course

[LUTE] Theorbo Relativity

2009-02-16 Thread Robert Clair
While I think that Howard has made an excellent beginning on a theory of Relativity of Theorbo Toyness, I think it's incomplete as it stands. To completely specify whether the theorbo is toy or not we need to know if the theorbo is in motion relative to the listener, the speed

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo Relativity

2009-02-16 Thread David Tayler
I only play a toy theorbo in public. The Lorenz Fitzgerald contractions. Horrible. dt At 07:47 PM 2/16/2009, you wrote: And then, since we are in a gravity well, you'll need to account for the local curvature of space... -Original Message- From: Robert Clair [mailto:rcl...@elroberto.com

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale

2009-02-15 Thread Alfonso Marin
Dear Arto and all, After the brief discussion about theorbo prices, I looked around for of other makers prices to reevaluate the worth of my theorbo by Nico van der Waals I am currently offering for sale for 7900€ (original price was 8250€ back in 2002). I am now certain that my asking

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale

2009-02-15 Thread Rob MacKillop
Seems fair to me, Alfonso. Everything is expensive, but your asking price is fair. Rob 2009/2/15 Alfonso Marin [1]luten...@gmail.com Dear Arto and all, After the brief discussion about theorbo prices, I looked around for of other makers prices to reevaluate

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale

2009-02-15 Thread wikla
Dear Alonso et al. On 2/15/2009, Alfonso Marin luten...@gmail.com wrote: [...] I know that Arto did not want to suggest that my theorbo was too expensive but in an indirect way he actually did. For that reason I feel compelled to defend myself and demonstrate the fairness of my asking

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale

2009-02-14 Thread David van Ooijen
received her theorbo from him. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale

2009-02-13 Thread Alfonso Marin
Dear all, I am offering my Theorbo by NIco van der Waals for sale. It is an excellent instrument in mint condition. I am selling it because I am developing some back problems and I would like to concentrate on my archlute continuo playing. It is also quite large (82 / 167 cm

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale

2009-02-13 Thread wikla
On 2/13/2009, Alfonso Marin luten...@gmail.com wrote: I am offering my Theorbo by NIco van der Waals for sale. .. Selling price is 7900 . The instrument really looks very beautiful! But is this really the price level of today? 7800 euros for a quality theorbo? In that case I am a rich

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale

2009-02-13 Thread Alfonso Marin
Dear Arto, Nico van der Waals is an emblematic maker with a reputation as solid as Michael Lowe. I payed 8250 Euro for this theorbo back in 2002. You certainly can get cheaper instruments but if you are really interested on playing something really special by one of the pioneers of lute

[LUTE] Big Theorbo, Liuto Attiorbato 6 course lute and 10 course lute for sale

2009-02-04 Thread Anton Birula
Dear Firends, We would like to let you know that we are selling some of our instruments: 1. Big Theorbo by Martin de Witte http://www.luteduo.com/instr/1f.jpg http://www.luteduo.com/instr/1b.jpg 2. Liuto Attiorbato (metal strung) by Martin de Witte http://www.luteduo.com/instr/4b.jpg

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo question

2009-01-06 Thread David Tayler
G dt At 12:20 PM 1/5/2009, you wrote: Although I'm primarily interested in Ren music, I haven't been able to resist the temptation to dabble in continuo a bit (we have a continuo group in Seattle, loosely modeled on Pat's Continuo collective). I'm afraid that I might have

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo question

2009-01-06 Thread Mathias Rösel
A mr David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net schrieb: G dt At 12:20 PM 1/5/2009, you wrote: Although I'm primarily interested in Ren music, I haven't been able to resist the temptation to dabble in continuo a bit (we have a continuo group in Seattle, loosely modeled on

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo question

2009-01-06 Thread Rob MacKillop
G#! A buddhist would take the middle path... Rob 2009/1/6 Mathias Roesel [1]mathias.roe...@t-online.de A mr David Tayler [2]vidan...@sbcglobal.net schrieb: G -- References 1. mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de 2. mailto:vidan...@sbcglobal.net

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo question

2009-01-06 Thread Benjamin Stehr
When i got my theorbo i also first tuned it to G for two month and later wished i would have started in A straight away for the following reasons: - Playing together with other people when tablature part for theorbo is written out - Theorbo feels like a completely different instrument anyway (use

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo question

2009-01-06 Thread Mathias Rösel
Rob MacKillop luteplay...@googlemail.com schrieb: G#! A buddhist would take the middle path... But, you know, the middle path between A and G is D! So that's how it came into being! ;) -- Best, Mathias 2009/1/6 Mathias Roesel [1]mathias.roe...@t-online.de

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo question

2009-01-06 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
Huh? ecb -Original Message- From: Rob MacKillop [mailto:luteplay...@googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:26 AM To: Mathias Rösel Cc: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Theorbo question G#! A buddhist would take the middle path... Rob

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo question

2009-01-06 Thread David Tayler
Arto makes a good point about E Major Vivaldi. But in, for example, in the Four Seasons, you have E Major and then the other three are F minor, G minor, F major, all of which are far better in G. And so it goes! Looking down the road, you want to be in a position where you are playing good

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo question

2009-01-06 Thread chriswilke
Don't matter. cw --- Mathias Rösel mathias.roe...@t-online.de wrote: A mr David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net schrieb: G dt At 12:20 PM 1/5/2009, you wrote: Although I'm primarily interested in Ren music, I haven't been able to resist the temptation to

[LUTE] Theorbo question

2009-01-05 Thread Guy Smith
Although I'm primarily interested in Ren music, I haven't been able to resist the temptation to dabble in continuo a bit (we have a continuo group in Seattle, loosely modeled on Pat's Continuo collective). I'm afraid that I might have finally taken complete leave of my senses, as I

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo question

2009-01-05 Thread William Brohinsky
make sense (as they fit between the D string and the b string, which is now the highest in pitch.) So there would be no real reason to consider changing the tuning if, indeed, you have guitar experience and can transfer it in this fashion. Additionally, most of the Theorbo literature

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo question

2009-01-05 Thread Roland Hayes
I say start relearning. And start enjoying D major and minor and A major and minor as easy chords/tonic home bases. Also, it's good to get used to playing g minor on the theorbo as there is plenty of it (even Caccini and Peri on an A instrument). I think also it's more of an adjustment to use

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo question

2009-01-05 Thread howard posner
on which option is likely to be preferable? FWIW, I don't have to perform on it for around 6 months, so relearning the chords should be manageable, although the next rehearsal or two might be a bit rough. See the first question. Is the instrument theorbo-sized? i.e. too big to tune the top

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo question

2009-01-05 Thread wikla
On 1/5/2009, howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote: If you're doing Vivaldi in E major, A tuning makes life easier. And it will still be difficult! ;-) Arto PS I recommend theorbo in A; many more manageable keys than in G. But some that are easy in G are horrible in A! The more flats

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo question

2009-01-05 Thread Guy Smith
of the loan that don't bear going into here). Thanks, Guy -Original Message- From: howard posner [mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:37 PM To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu List Subject: [LUTE] Re: Theorbo question On Jan 5, 2009, at 12:20 PM, Guy Smith wrote: I'm

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo question

2009-01-05 Thread David Rastall
On Jan 5, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Guy Smith wrote: I plan to seek professional assistance soon, but in the interim, a tuning question. The instrument is currently in A. I could retune it to G, so I could more easily transfer my experience with the G lute, or I could leave it in A and

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