On 05/22/2018 07:10 AM, Pavel Sanda wrote:
> Richard Kimberly Heck wrote:
> Average user can misunderstand it with a probability of 50%. Those who
> misunderstood it and denied the update can end up with an unusable LyX.
No, they do not. If they deny, then NOTHING HAPPENS.
>>> Damn, th
Richard Kimberly Heck wrote:
> >>> Average user can misunderstand it with a probability of 50%. Those who
> >>> misunderstood it and denied the update can end up with an unusable LyX.
> >>
> >> No, they do not. If they deny, then NOTHING HAPPENS.
> >
> > Damn, that is not true!
>
> I am saying so
Le 21/05/2018 à 23:46, Uwe Stöhr a écrit :
> As JMarc mentioned, he uses Windows all the time
Full disclosure: I would not say "all the time", but regularly.
JMarc knows how to act if e.g. MiKTeX 32 bit was installed as admin and
MiKTeX 64bit over it only with user privileges? This would be
On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 4:11 PM, Richard Kimberly Heck
wrote:
> On 05/21/2018 05:46 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> > Am 14.05.2018 um 04:11 schrieb Richard Kimberly Heck:
> >
> >> Even *the MikTeX maintainer* has made it clear that we should not
> >> update MikTeX without asking permission from the user.
On 05/21/2018 05:46 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Am 14.05.2018 um 04:11 schrieb Richard Kimberly Heck:
>
>> Even *the MikTeX maintainer* has made it clear that we should not
>> update MikTeX without asking permission from the user.
>
> Where has he stated this?
He said so in an email to Scott. Which Sc
Am 14.05.2018 um 04:11 schrieb Richard Kimberly Heck:
The ONLY question at the moment is
about a warning
dialog at the outset:
Yes. and i made clear why I won't take the responsibility to do this.
You try to please the, let's say 5 % of our expert users who might have
some reasons not to upd
On 05/13/2018 01:34 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Am 12.05.2018 um 05:13 schrieb Richard Kimberly Heck:
>>> Please make your decision and tell me.
>>
>> Others can speak up if they wish, but I believe we have made ourselves
>> clear. We will not release an official Windows installer that updates
>> people
On 05/13/2018 01:34 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Am 12.05.2018 um 05:13 schrieb Richard Kimberly Heck:
>>> Please make your decision and tell me.
>>
>> Others can speak up if they wish, but I believe we have made ourselves
>> clear. We will not release an official Windows installer that updates
>> people
On 05/13/2018 01:34 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Am 12.05.2018 um 05:13 schrieb Richard Kimberly Heck:
>>> Please make your decision and tell me.
>>
>> Others can speak up if they wish, but I believe we have made ourselves
>> clear. We will not release an official Windows installer that updates
>> people
Am 12.05.2018 um 05:13 schrieb Richard Kimberly Heck:
No, I may wish to make use of it. I am in the process of figuring out
how to build the Windows installer myself, as you suggested. The code
belongs to LyX, not to you.
I never said that it belongs to me.
Please make your decision and tell
On Saturday, 12 May 2018 04.13.02 WEST Richard Kimberly Heck wrote:
> I understand that you think Windows users would be confused by a simple
> dialog asking their permission to update MikTeX. I have spoken to
> several Windows users over the last few days who think otherwise. For a
> public exampl
On 05/11/2018 10:20 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
>
> _Should I remove the Win installer code from LyX's git?_
No, I may wish to make use of it. I am in the process of figuring out
how to build the Windows installer myself, as you suggested. The code
belongs to LyX, not to you.
> If yes, I'll release inst
Am 07.04.2018 um 00:48 schrieb Richard Kimberly Heck:
installer that is as automatic as it can be. Many of the rest of us have
real doubts about the wisdom of this,
That is what annoys me. You doubt that I am wise enough to set up LyX
for Windows users.
First of all, I specifically said that
Am 07.04.2018 um 00:40 schrieb Richard Kimberly Heck:
If MiKTeX can be broken some other
way, that's a bug in MiKTeX and not one we should be trying to fix via
the LyX installer.
That is the fundamental difference between my and your approach. I see
the user perspective. And for the user it i
On Fri, Apr 06, 2018 at 11:01:00AM +, racoon wrote:
> On 06.04.2018 11:18, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> > Le 06/04/2018 à 00:40, Uwe Stöhr a écrit :
> > > Am 05.04.2018 um 04:47 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
> > >
> > > > In my opinion it is that important, because updating LyX could break
> > > >
Posted this on 08/04/2018 13:36, seems that it did not find its path to
lyx-devel over the week-end stale of the list manager.
Le 05/04/2018 à 04:47, Scott Kostyshak a écrit :
[.snip.]
I just received an
email from Christian Schenk, the developer of MiKTeX, in which he says
that a MiKTeX updat
On Fri, Apr 06, 2018 at 09:18:54AM +, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> Le 06/04/2018 à 00:40, Uwe Stöhr a écrit :
> > Am 05.04.2018 um 04:47 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
> >
> > > In my opinion it is that important, because updating LyX could break
> > > something else on a user's computer.
> >
> >
On Thu, Apr 05, 2018 at 10:40:32PM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Am 05.04.2018 um 04:47 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
> Again, the MiKTeX update doesn't break anything, see above and we spoke
> about this now a dozen times.
Would you be open to just one more round of discussing this? We could
start a sepa
On Thu, Apr 05, 2018 at 10:13:04PM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Sure and I did not decide about LyX but about how a certain installer page
> should look to overcome a problem with a third-party program that is
> Win-only. I think I can decide this. This is no LyX issue. It is an
> additional feature
On 04/05/2018 06:13 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Am 05.04.2018 um 03:02 schrieb Richard Kimberly Heck:
>
>> have created an
>> installer that is as automatic as it can be. Many of the rest of us have
>> real doubts about the wisdom of this,
>
> That is what annoys me. You doubt that I am wise enough to s
On 04/05/2018 06:40 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Finally, please tell me why it is not sufficient that expert users can
> read the release announcement to make certain MiKTeX settings if they
> like before they use the Win installer and why we should instead
> bother average users with a question that th
On 06.04.2018 11:18, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
Le 06/04/2018 à 00:40, Uwe Stöhr a écrit :
Am 05.04.2018 um 04:47 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
In my opinion it is that important, because updating LyX could break
something else on a user's computer.
No! Why do you claim this again? Don't mix pot
Le 06/04/2018 à 00:40, Uwe Stöhr a écrit :
Am 05.04.2018 um 04:47 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
In my opinion it is that important, because updating LyX could break
something else on a user's computer.
No! Why do you claim this again? Don't mix potential bugs in a LaTeX
package on CTAN with LyX.
Le 20/03/2018 à 03:17, Uwe Stöhr a écrit :
The probability of pressing No if you don't understand is 50%.
If the default is set to Yes, I am ready to take the bet that people
just press Enter and that your estimation is wrong.
Besides, to take your car analogy: what if the user pushes the bi
Am 05.04.2018 um 04:47 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
In my opinion it is that important, because updating LyX could break
something else on a user's computer.
No! Why do you claim this again? Don't mix potential bugs in a LaTeX
package on CTAN with LyX. With this argumentation every package update
Am 05.04.2018 um 03:02 schrieb Richard Kimberly Heck:
It is not true that people don't trust you, and it really isn't helpful
to phrase it that way. This is not an issue of expertise, experience, or
anythinng of that sort. It's a judgement call about what to do in what
is obviously a difficult s
On 04/04/2018 10:47 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 04, 2018 at 11:07:42PM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
>> I am sorry but I cannot understand not to release the Win installer just for
>> a dialog or not. Is this that important not to release our hard work over
>> months for LyX 2.3.0 for Window
On Wed, Apr 04, 2018 at 11:07:42PM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Am 31.03.2018 um 19:37 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
>
> > I've included something along these lines in the newest proposal for a
> > dialog.
>
> Dear Developers,
>
> yes, I take it personally that you cannot trust me as Windows developer w
On 04/04/2018 07:07 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Am 31.03.2018 um 19:37 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
>
>> I've included something along these lines in the newest proposal for a
>> dialog.
>
> Dear Developers,
>
> yes, I take it personally that you cannot trust me as Windows
> developer who has experiences wi
Am 31.03.2018 um 19:37 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
I've included something along these lines in the newest proposal for a
dialog.
Dear Developers,
yes, I take it personally that you cannot trust me as Windows developer
who has experiences with LyX under Windows for more than 10 years. I
gave L
On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 04:13:13PM +, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> > Alse we can always add something like "If you don't know what the message
> > above
> > exactly means you probably want to press 'Yes'" as I sometimes saw on other
> > installers.
>
> I think this could be a good idea.
I've i
Am 19.03.2018 um 00:44 schrieb Pavel Sanda:
I checked it out. When I used the installer I did not give me any option,
it just 'informed' that MiKTeX is going to be upgraded and forced me to
accept it. That's what I said can make some people mad and decent application
should not do without asking
Uwe Stöhr wrote:
>> Generally speaking - apart from your mom, which might indeed be better
>> served without additional info, there is also crowd of people who go mad
>> when software contain hidden "kits" which were nowhere mentioned.
>
> Sure, but people like my mother are the average users in my
On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 8:31 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
>
> Thanks for those arguments, Joel. You make good points. However, I think
> we should still go forward with the release.
Understood, and as I said: I held unpopular opinions. If I felt strongly,
I would have contributed these thoughts
On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 07:27:57PM +, Joel Kulesza wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 08:56:15AM +, Pavel Sanda wrote:
> >
> > > I agree that the language of the dialog can be a problem. But there is
> > no rush
> > > and if you
On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 08:56:15AM +, Pavel Sanda wrote:
>
> > I agree that the language of the dialog can be a problem. But there is
> no rush
> > and if you can't stand for the version with english dialog, we can
> advertise
> > the
On 03/16/2018 12:13 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 08:56:15AM +, Pavel Sanda wrote:
> I think I differ from Pavel (and Richard?) perhaps in that my main
> argument is actually focused on the average Windows user of LyX. [...] There
> are more and more average Windows user
On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 03:40:01PM +, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote:
> On 03/16/2018 10:09 AM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> > Am 16.03.2018 um 09:56 schrieb Pavel Sanda:
> >
> >> Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> >>> So my plan is to use the 2.3.0 installer also as repair kit.
> >>
> >> Yes, this was kind of clear and pr
On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 08:56:15AM +, Pavel Sanda wrote:
> I agree that the language of the dialog can be a problem. But there is no rush
> and if you can't stand for the version with english dialog, we can advertise
> the installer once you get the translations you need and are happy with the
On 03/16/2018 10:09 AM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Am 16.03.2018 um 09:56 schrieb Pavel Sanda:
>
>> Uwe Stöhr wrote:
>>> So my plan is to use the 2.3.0 installer also as repair kit.
>>
>> Yes, this was kind of clear and pretty much everyone on this list
>> thinks that
>> we should not do such things hidden
Am 16.03.2018 um 09:56 schrieb Pavel Sanda:
Uwe Stöhr wrote:
So my plan is to use the 2.3.0 installer also as repair kit.
Yes, this was kind of clear and pretty much everyone on this list thinks that
we should not do such things hiddenly without advertising.
This is not hidden. As you have
Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> So my plan is to use the 2.3.0 installer also as repair kit.
Yes, this was kind of clear and pretty much everyone on this list thinks that
we should not do such things hiddenly without advertising.
I agree that the language of the dialog can be a problem. But there is no rush
a
Am 15.03.2018 um 18:29 schrieb Richard Heck:
I was talking about whether anything would happen *as a result of
someone running
the installer*. I understand that there are *other* ways that the MiKTeX
installation can
be damaged, as happened to your mother. That is a really horrible MiKTeX
bug, a
On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 05:29:30PM +, Richard Heck wrote:
> > The installer for LyX 2.3.1 will return to the old behavior.
>
> Why? Won't that just break the installations of people still using 2.2.3?
I'm also confused by this. Maybe he means that in the case that an
installation of LyX 2.3
On 03/15/2018 11:45 AM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Am 14.03.2018 um 04:31 schrieb Richard Heck:
>
>> If this dialog is popped at the very beginning of the installation,
>> before ANYTHING is actually done, then it is impossible that the
>> MiKTeX installation
>> should be affected.
>
> This is not true and
Am 14.03.2018 um 04:31 schrieb Richard Heck:
If this dialog is popped at the very beginning of the installation,
before ANYTHING
is actually done, then it is impossible that the MiKTeX installation
should be affected.
This is not true and I don't get why I cannot make this clear to you.
Maybe
On 15.03.2018 04:13, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 01:48:02AM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
Why don't you add a sentence or two to the release notes for the experienced
users that they can set in MiKTeX "never" to package updates. Experienced
users will understand this. That is the m
On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 01:48:02AM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Why don't you add a sentence or two to the release notes for the experienced
> users that they can set in MiKTeX "never" to package updates. Experienced
> users will understand this. That is the most suitable solution.
I think a dialog
On 03/13/2018 09:48 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Am 13.03.2018 um 04:17 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
>
>> I definitely agree that every additional dialog is an additional
>> possibility for confusion. I think where we disagree is on the benefit
>> that the dialog could bring.
>
> Yes. You don't understand th
Am 13.03.2018 um 04:17 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
I definitely agree that every additional dialog is an additional
possibility for confusion. I think where we disagree is on the benefit
that the dialog could bring.
Yes. You don't understand that users who don't about LaTeX and deny the
update c
On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:16:21PM +, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 10:08:35AM +, Jean-Pierre Chrétien wrote:
>
> > Here is a proposal:
> >
> > "LyX is going to update MiKTeX to the last 2.9 version.
> > "If you do not use MiKTeX with other applications than LyX, you ca
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 10:08:35AM +, Jean-Pierre Chrétien wrote:
> Here is a proposal:
>
> "LyX is going to update MiKTeX to the last 2.9 version.
> "If you do not use MiKTeX with other applications than LyX, you can continue
> safely.
> "If you do use MiKTeX with other applications and do
On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 03:17:58AM +, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> > Can't you see that the majority doesn't know what a package is? Most
> > of my students and colleagues didn't know this but were able to write their
> > master or Ph.D. thesis with LyX.
> > Therefore giving users a choice they do
On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 08:52:52PM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> It is not, it only make things worse. Every dialog can cause confusions. You
> are only looking from your professional view and I failed to make this
> clear.
I could be wrong on this, but I thought that I brought up the idea that
the d
Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> I explained now in a dozen mails my decision. Feel free to add whatever you
> like in the release notes. Feel also free not to announce the Win installer
> officially or not to put it in ftp.lyx.org.
Ok, can you please make it clear whether this silent behind-back upgrade is o
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> Note however that using LyX without LaTeX is not really a pleasure. One
> gets at each use a dialog box on startup plus dialog box for each loaded
> file complaining that something is wrong. I have to install texlive on my
> home windows 10 computer just for that (
Le 11/03/2018 à 18:17, Richard Heck a écrit :
I cannot for the life of me see why adding a warning that proceeding
with the installation will require updating MikTeX, and giving the user
the option to abort the installation, could cause any problems at all.
If there's a worry that this will con
Am 11.03.2018 um 18:12 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
I think that's what we're doing. The basic disagreement we have is that
I think adding a dialog will bring more benefit than harm.
And I made clear why I am opposed to this.
In the end it costs my spare time if something does not work. Users will
On 03/11/2018 01:12 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 04:34:49PM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
>> Am 11.03.2018 um 05:08 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
>>
So there are already 3 possible workarounds for experienced users in the
LyX
installer and these options are all translat
On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 04:34:49PM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Am 11.03.2018 um 05:08 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
>
> > > So there are already 3 possible workarounds for experienced users in the
> > > LyX
> > > installer and these options are all translated.
> >
> > That behavior sounds good. My conc
Le 11/03/2018 à 03:48, Uwe Stöhr a écrit :
Your argumentation is like I decided to drive with a car. If the fuel is
empty I have to refuel it because I want to drive. No fuel - no drive.
It is more like the following: your are invited at my home for the
week-end and we decide to use the car a
Le 11/03/2018 à 03:48, Uwe Stöhr a écrit :
Your argumentation is like I decided to drive with a car. If the fuel is
empty I have to refuel it because I want to drive. No fuel - no drive.
It is more like the following: your are invited at my home for the
week-end and we decide to use the car a
Am 11.03.2018 um 05:08 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
So there are already 3 possible workarounds for experienced users in the LyX
installer and these options are all translated.
That behavior sounds good. My concern though is that even experienced
users will not guess that LyX will update MiKTeX. O
On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 02:48:03AM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Am 11.03.2018 um 01:29 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
>
> > I think our main point of difference is below. If the LyX 2.3.0
> > installer successfully installs LyX, but has a bad secondary effect, I'm
> > guessing you would agree that a dialog
Am 11.03.2018 um 01:29 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
I think our main point of difference is below. If the LyX 2.3.0
installer successfully installs LyX, but has a bad secondary effect, I'm
guessing you would agree that a dialog would make sense, right?
I am not the developer of MiKTeX but I see th
Am 10.03.2018 um 21:37 schrieb Uwe Stöhr:
Meanwhile I got the report that version 4 of the LyX Win installer fails
on some 64bit Windows. I am currently working on this and will most
probably come up with another version of the installer that fixes this.
I could fix this now. I indeed forgot
On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 12:25:12AM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Am 11.03.2018 um 00:57 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
>
> > If in the LyX 2.3.0 installer we provide an informative dialog, the user
> > might say "oh I did not know that LyX needed to update MiKTeX. I will
> > not install LyX now because I ne
On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 12:04:38AM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Am 11.03.2018 um 00:57 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
>
> > I believe their goal is to get a working LyX, but they are not aware
> > that they might be paying a cost. They might not want to update MiKTeX,
> > and they should not expect that Ly
Am 11.03.2018 um 00:57 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
If in the LyX 2.3.0 installer we provide an informative dialog, the user
might say "oh I did not know that LyX needed to update MiKTeX. I will
not install LyX now because I need to submit my paper tomorrow. After I
submit my paper, I can deal with
Am 11.03.2018 um 00:57 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
I believe their goal is to get a working LyX, but they are not aware
that they might be paying a cost. They might not want to update MiKTeX,
and they should not expect that LyX is going to update MiKTeX. Thus,
although they might want a working LyX
On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 11:53:36PM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Am 10.03.2018 um 21:37 schrieb Uwe Stöhr:
>
> > I understand what you wrote but not your goal behind it.
> > I use the LyX installer to install LyX. Therefore I expect a working LyX
> > afterwards.
>
> In other words:
>
> - we agree th
On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 08:37:30PM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Am 09.03.2018 um 18:33 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
>
> > Do you understand the argument that I, Richard, Jean-Marc, and racoon
> > have expressed (to those I cite, please correct me if I misrepresent
> > your opinion)?
>
> I understand wha
Am 10.03.2018 um 21:37 schrieb Uwe Stöhr:
I understand what you wrote but not your goal behind it.
I use the LyX installer to install LyX. Therefore I expect a working LyX
afterwards.
In other words:
- we agree that users who run an installer of LyX want
* to get LyX
* a working LyX
So the
Am 09.03.2018 um 18:33 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
Do you understand the argument that I, Richard, Jean-Marc, and racoon
have expressed (to those I cite, please correct me if I misrepresent
your opinion)?
I understand what you wrote but not your goal behind it.
I use the LyX installer to install
On 03/09/2018 09:16 AM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Am 09.03.2018 um 05:58 schrieb Uwe Stöhr:
>
>> Am 09.03.2018 um 05:34 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
>>
>>> From what I understand, I think we still need to come to an
>>> agreement on
>>> whether to provide a dialog to the user asking if they would like to
>>>
On Fri, Mar 09, 2018 at 04:58:07AM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Am 09.03.2018 um 05:34 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
>
> > From what I understand, I think we still need to come to an agreement on
> > whether to provide a dialog to the user asking if they would like to
> > either cancel the installation o
Am 09.03.2018 um 05:58 schrieb Uwe Stöhr:
Am 09.03.2018 um 05:34 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
From what I understand, I think we still need to come to an agreement on
whether to provide a dialog to the user asking if they would like to
either cancel the installation or proceed and have the instal
Am 09.03.2018 um 05:34 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
From what I understand, I think we still need to come to an agreement on
whether to provide a dialog to the user asking if they would like to
either cancel the installation or proceed and have the installer update
MiKTeX.
Please, I wrote now so
On Thu, Mar 08, 2018 at 09:45:48PM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Am 08.03.2018 um 22:19 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
>
> > Unfortunately I think the MiKTeX issues also affect the installer (see
> > the email from Uwe on Feb. 26).
>
> I just post that all known issues have been fixed from my Windows
That
I just tried the windows installer. Here is what it does (no evaluation
intended since I probably don't understand enough of this).
1. LyX installs fine.
2. The user is not asked whether to update MiKTeX or cancel the setup.
3. There are a couple of messages that seem fine but are also a bit
Am 08.03.2018 um 22:19 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
Unfortunately I think the MiKTeX issues also affect the installer (see
the email from Uwe on Feb. 26).
I just post that all known issues have been fixed from my Windows
perspective. You can in my opinion go an release.
regards Uwe
On Thu, Mar 08, 2018 at 09:10:49PM +, Richard Heck wrote:
> Did you suggest at one point releasing just the installer and not the
> bundle? Can we do that? It seems unfortunate to delay the release
> altogether just because MiKTeX has bugs.
Unfortunately I think the MiKTeX issues also affect
On 03/08/2018 12:08 AM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 08:26:17PM +, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
>
>> If we do not go forward with the release as discussed in the preceding
>> paragraph, another question is: should we wait another few days to see
>> if we are ready to release the W
On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 08:26:17PM +, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> If we do not go forward with the release as discussed in the preceding
> paragraph, another question is: should we wait another few days to see
> if we are ready to release the Windows binaries so we can announce
> everything toget
Le 07/03/2018 à 16:24, Scott Kostyshak a écrit :
However, you can use LyX also without LaTeX. The LyX installer provides an
option for this. This way you can try around and maybe later install LaTeX.
A later installed LaTeX (TeXLive or MiKTeX) can be found by LyX if the path
to the latex.exe is i
On Wed, Mar 07, 2018 at 03:08:19PM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Am 05.03.2018 um 17:58 schrieb Joel Kulesza:
>
> > At least, the way I read the step, the installer is the component not
> > finding the latex.exe executable, not the LyX executable itself
>
> Just for information:
> The LyX installer s
Am 05.03.2018 um 17:58 schrieb Joel Kulesza:
At least, the way I read the step, the installer is the component not
finding the latex.exe executable, not the LyX executable itself
Just for information:
The LyX installer searches for the latex.exe. If it cannot find it, LyX
cannot find it as we
On Wed, Mar 07, 2018 at 03:01:42PM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Am 04.03.2018 um 16:50 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
>
> >The following statements are specific to Windows users:
> > ...
> >- After the installation of LyX, the MiKTeX package manager pops up. You
> > can just close it.
>
> Thi
Am 04.03.2018 um 16:50 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
The following statements are specific to Windows users:
...
- After the installation of LyX, the MiKTeX package manager pops up. You
can just close it.
This item can be removed. This is now fixed in MiKTeX.
regards Uwe
On Mon, Mar 05, 2018 at 04:58:37PM +, Joel Kulesza wrote:
> At least, the way I read the step, the installer is the component not
> finding the latex.exe executable, not the LyX executable itself
> post-install (at which point, one couldn't "just close the installer"
> because it would have co
On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 8:50 AM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 11:46:53PM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> > Am 03.03.2018 um 21:26 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
> >
> > >- If you have a problem compiling the document Help > User Guide
> after
> > > installation, consider uninstall
On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 11:46:53PM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Am 03.03.2018 um 21:26 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
>
> >- If you have a problem compiling the document Help > User Guide after
> > installation, consider uninstalling LyX and MiKTeX, and then using
> > the LyX *bundle* install
On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 11:35:23PM +, Joel Kulesza wrote:
> I recommend reordering so the bullets will be presented in the order the
> issues must be faced / may be encountered (keeping the dashes but I use
> numbers to show new order). For example:
>
> 2, 4, 1, 3
>
> Note that I haven’t i
Am 03.03.2018 um 21:26 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
- If you have a problem compiling the document Help > User Guide after
installation, consider uninstalling LyX and MiKTeX, and then using
the LyX *bundle* installer, which will automatically reinstall
MiKTeX.
Please replace this
> The current Windows-specific part of the announcement email that I'm
> planning to send is the following:
>
> ---
> The following statements are specific to Windows users:
> 1 - After the installation of LyX, the MiKTeX package manager pops up.
>You can just close it.
> 2 - If you installed
Dear all,
The purpose of this email is to summarize the situation with the Windows
installers and discuss as a group the best way to proceed with the
release.
From what I understand, there are two issues with the situation on
Windows:
Issue 1: Problems related to anti-virus programs.
Issue 2: Pr
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