[Mailman-Users] Re: Python 2.7.15, etc, vs Python3...

2023-07-17 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Tue, 2023-07-18 at 02:05 +, Carl Zwanzig wrote: > On 7/17/2023 5:54 PM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote: > > Python 2 and Python 3 are enough different to effectively be > > different languages. > > BTW, there is a python2 to 3 converter,  There's also this project: https://github.co

[Mailman-Users] Re: AT&T RBL again

2021-03-30 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Tue, 2021-03-30 at 14:14 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 3/30/21 1:50 PM, Robert Heller wrote: > > At Tue, 30 Mar 2021 10:41:47 -0700 Mark Sapiro wrote: > > > > > That's probably correct, but are there other cloud VPS providers that > > > are better at hosting MTAs? > > > > Almost certainly. >

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-09-20 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Sun, 2020-09-20 at 23:40 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users writes: > > On Sun, 2020-09-20 at 18:23 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > > I imagine ARC support is something Jim Popovitch would like to have. > > > You imagine w

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-09-20 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Sun, 2020-09-20 at 18:23 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > I wrote: > > > > >> I'm pretty sure that at least for now I[1] can configure a > > > >> system to run Mailman 2 so that none of the above matters > > "None of the above" includes other crypto. > > > > > I'm pretty sure that's pur

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-09-17 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Thu, 2020-09-17 at 14:56 -0400, Brian Carpenter wrote: > On 9/17/20 2:27 PM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > On Thu, 2020-09-17 at 14:15 -0400, Brian Carpenter wrote: > > Absolutely not. I'm intrigued by the idea of mailman-core (1/3 of mm3) > > with a li

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-09-17 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Thu, 2020-09-17 at 14:15 -0400, Brian Carpenter wrote: > On 9/17/20 1:45 PM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > That's kind of my point. mm2 works for me and my use, I'd much rather > > prefer to keep it working than to rip it out and replace it, including >

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-09-17 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Thu, 2020-09-17 at 09:07 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 9/17/20 8:04 AM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > On Thu, 2020-09-17 at 07:54 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > > Forward to where? > > > > Oh the irony of you asking that question. :) If we go bac

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-09-17 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Thu, 2020-09-17 at 07:54 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 9/17/20 7:36 AM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > Here's my POV, if mm2 can (and it appears to me that it > > can somewhat easily) be fixed to use py3 then all the installed bases of > > mm2 don't

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-09-17 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Thu, 2020-09-17 at 07:13 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 9/17/20 6:54 AM, Matthew Pounsett wrote: > > If someone was going to undertake a rewrite of Postorius, using a different > > web development framework (e.g. Flask, but pretty much anything that isn't > > Django) would at least remove one ma

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-09-17 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Thu, 2020-09-17 at 18:47 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users writes: > > On Thu, 2020-09-17 at 02:34 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > > > You don't need to have a title, an @mailman email address, or a commit >

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-09-16 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Thu, 2020-09-17 at 02:34 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > You're right. If we're going to reopen the Mailman 2 branch to new > features, there should be a much larger body. So where is it? Mark > and I are not special. We're merely here every day, we have acquired > a lot of knowledge

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-09-15 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Tue, 2020-09-15 at 21:11 -0400, Brian Carpenter wrote: > On 9/15/20 8:18 PM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > A small group, including myself, are planning to present a proposal. We > > are in the early stage of defining what that will involve, but we are > >

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-09-15 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Tue, 2020-09-15 at 16:51 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 9/15/20 12:41 PM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > I demanded nothing. I was told by Mark that I would need to apply for > > all those perks (sans the Cabal seat) when all I offered to do was > > suppor

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-09-15 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Wed, 2020-09-16 at 03:51 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users writes: > > > I personally think that you, Stephen, are digging high and low to find > > any reason for Mailman2 to not continue forward under the Mailman > > umbrella. >

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-09-15 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Tue, 2020-09-15 at 08:45 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 9/15/20 4:40 AM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > I'd use the new MM3 archive of this list to link to your posts, but > > interacting with it is an abysmal time waste. At a minimum someone > > should

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-09-15 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Tue, 2020-09-15 at 16:10 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users writes: > > > See Stephens previous comments about how there was no way he could > > or would work with anyone working on mm2 because it was against his > > objectives, >

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-09-13 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Sun, 2020-09-13 at 09:16 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 9/13/20 9:01 AM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > What I want to hear from the Cabal is that there is support and > > appreciation for efforts by others to carry on with mm2 in any direction > > it take

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-09-13 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Sun, 2020-09-13 at 15:36 +, Mark Sapiro wrote: > OK, I'm back and more or less caught up so I'm ready to continue this > discussion. > > In his initial post in this thread, Jim suggests that he and others want to > join the Mailman Coders team on Launchpad in order to commit to the Mailm

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-08-30 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Sun, 2020-08-30 at 14:29 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > I wrote a long screed, full of piss and vinegar. But on reflection, > clearly nobody is reading what I wrote earlier, so let's try pithy and > dry. It's still long. :-( > > Chip Davis writes: > > > OK guys, what's really going on

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-08-29 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Fri, 2020-08-28 at 23:47 -0700, Carl Zwanzig wrote: > > Or... it's pretty likely that MM2 maintenance, and maybe improvements, will > continue in some fashion. The question is whether that's under the auspices > of the gnu-mailman project or in a fork. If the existing gnu-mailman team > does

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-08-28 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Sat, 2020-08-29 at 03:53 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users writes: > > > Again with the "Jim's team". Those other guys, that other group, them > > folks That's nauseating to hear from you Stephen. > > I use

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-08-27 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Thu, 2020-08-27 at 10:05 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 8/27/20 3:29 AM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > There is sooo much to respond to, but in order to stay on focus... > > Brian, you fail to identify the problem, in fact you mischaracterized > > it

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-08-27 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Thu, 2020-08-27 at 09:30 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 8/27/20 3:41 AM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > On Thu, 2020-08-27 at 17:41 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > > The question for you is what benefit there is to anyone in having > > > Mailm

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-08-27 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Thu, 2020-08-27 at 17:27 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > MM3, on the other hand, not only has three more or less active > developers, it also has frequent releases including new features as > well as bug fixes. That could still be happening for MM2 if not for some imaginary line in the sand

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-08-27 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Thu, 2020-08-27 at 17:41 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > The question for you is what benefit there is to anyone in having > Mailman 2 maintenance inside the Mailman Project going forward. You mean inside the Mailman3 Project at mailman3.org? None. > The Mailman Project certainly doe

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-08-27 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Thu, 2020-08-27 at 17:24 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Brian Carpenter writes: > > On 8/26/20 6:25 PM, Carl Zwanzig wrote: > > > > > > As someone regularly uses and maintains a fair bit of old and antique > > > machinery, MM2 still has a lot of life in it. > > In particular, MM2 L10N

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-08-27 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Wed, 2020-08-26 at 23:17 -0400, Brian Carpenter wrote: > > I am sure Mark has moved on from Mailman 2, at least he has said that on > numerous occasions. It is you folks that won't let him. There is sooo much to respond to, but in order to stay on focus... Brian, you fail to identify the pr

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-08-26 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Wed, 2020-08-26 at 20:25 -0400, Brian Carpenter wrote: > On 8/26/20 7:02 PM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > I'm not sure where you think money comes into this, unless you are > > admitting that moving to mm3 requires expensive consulting contracts. > > I&#

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-08-26 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Wed, 2020-08-26 at 17:05 -0400, Brian Carpenter wrote: snip-snip > I think the issue here is money and fear. Cheap cPanel hosts include > Mailman 2 with their budget hosting packages and I am pretty sure that > is who you are using. I'm not sure where you think money comes into this, unless

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-08-26 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Wed, 2020-08-26 at 23:52 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users writes: > > > A couple of days ago, over on the MAILOP mailinglist, there was a > > long thread titled 'Mailman confirmation email denial of service'. > > *sigh

[Mailman-Users] mailman v2.x

2020-08-26 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
Hi Folks, A couple of days ago, over on the MAILOP mailinglist, there was a long thread titled 'Mailman confirmation email denial of service'. This detailed some of the problems we've all seen with Mailman subscription spam. The Mailman team has addressed a lot of these problems with ReCAPTCHA

[Mailman-Users] Re: Upgrading from 2.1.12

2020-07-23 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Thu, 2020-07-23 at 10:15 -0500, Barry S. Finkel wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 11:40 PM Mark Sapiro wrote: > > > > > On 7/22/20 12:54 AM, Daniel Krause via Mailman-Users wrote: > > > > Good Day > > > > > > > > We have a running 2.1.12 installation that was done long ago via an > > > > ext

Re: [Mailman-Users] The last release from the GNU Mailman project (was: Handling Munged From Addresses)

2020-03-03 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Mon, 2020-03-02 at 17:18 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 3/2/20 1:55 PM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > There are plenty of people who are still happy with pipermail and some > > of the other search options (Google, htdig, etc) What benefit does a > > REST

Re: [Mailman-Users] The last release from the GNU Mailman project (was: Handling Munged From Addresses)

2020-03-02 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Mon, 2020-03-02 at 10:54 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 3/2/20 8:56 AM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > > Barry's roadmap > > for Python2 -> Python3 seems to counter the narrative that MM2 is ill- > > advised to be ported to Python3 (btw, that wa

Re: [Mailman-Users] The last release from the GNU Mailman project (was: Handling Munged From Addresses)

2020-03-02 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Mon, 2020-03-02 at 17:17 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users writes: > > > Interestingly enough, here's a roadmap on exactly how to do it: :) > > Jim, you're not helping. Stephen, thank you for taking the time to respond. Alt

Re: [Mailman-Users] The last release from the GNU Mailman project

2020-02-29 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Sat, 2020-02-29 at 10:46 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/29/20 7:02 AM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > If > > a CSF/CSS is identified in Mailman v2.1.30 in May-2020, what will be > > done to address it? > > I'd say it depend on the details of

Re: [Mailman-Users] The last release from the GNU Mailman project (was: Handling Munged From Addresses)

2020-02-29 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Thu, 2020-02-27 at 14:51 -0500, Bill Cole wrote: > On 27 Feb 2020, at 14:24, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > > Personally, I'd like to see the GNU Mailman project have a formal > > Mailman 2.3 release that supports Python3, I feel that there would be >

Re: [Mailman-Users] The last release from the GNU Mailman project

2020-02-29 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Sat, 2020-02-29 at 16:28 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Mark Sapiro writes: > > > Well, Steve channeled me earlier, so I'll return the favor. > > And did it with extreme precision and accuracy. Sorry if I created > any misunderstandings. > > The only thing I have to add is that mailman

Re: [Mailman-Users] The last release from the GNU Mailman project

2020-02-28 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Fri, 2020-02-28 at 10:07 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/28/20 6:17 AM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > On Fri, 2020-02-28 at 19:52 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > > Brian Carpenter writes: > > > > > > > I have hired a profession

Re: [Mailman-Users] The last release from the GNU Mailman project

2020-02-28 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Fri, 2020-02-28 at 19:52 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Brian Carpenter writes: > > > I have hired a professional PHP developer to begin work on a new > > admin/forum interface for Mailman 3. > > Too bad. I really sympathize with your goals but am unlikely to be > able to contribute d

[Mailman-Users] The last release from the GNU Mailman project (was: Handling Munged From Addresses)

2020-02-27 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Thu, 2020-02-27 at 10:56 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > for Mailman 3, but that seems unduly kludgy. There won't be any change > in Mailman 2.1 which is only waiting for i18n updates for the final > 2.1.30 release which will be the last release from the GNU Mailman project. Who decides that there

Re: [Mailman-Users] Handling Munged From Addresses

2020-02-27 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Thu, 2020-02-27 at 10:23 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/27/20 10:05 AM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > I've been wondering if we should change that to something like this: > > > > From: Jane Doe (jane@domain.tld) via Listname > > > >

Re: [Mailman-Users] Handling Munged From Addresses

2020-02-27 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Thu, 2020-02-27 at 09:58 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/27/20 7:22 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote: > > I think this may have been addressed but I can't find it. Now that I am > > munging the from address to mitigate DMARC, recipients can no longer > > tell who the message is from. What are other folk

Re: [Mailman-Users] Apache subscription Referer rules

2020-01-14 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Tue, 2020-01-14 at 00:19 -0500, Bill Cole wrote: > On 10 Jan 2020, at 10:52, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > > (I think I asked this a few months back, but I couldn't locate any > > emails on it) > > > > What is the Apache rule syntax for

[Mailman-Users] Apache subscription Referer rules

2020-01-10 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
(I think I asked this a few months back, but I couldn't locate any emails on it) What is the Apache rule syntax for rejecting subscription linking that doesn't come from the same domain/site? tia, -Jim P. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 3 Ready?

2019-11-25 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Mon, 2019-11-25 at 11:06 -0500, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > On Mon, 2019-11-25 at 16:59 +0100, Johannes Rohr wrote: > > Am Mo., 25. Nov. 2019 um 16:47 Uhr schrieb Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users > > : > > >

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 3 Ready?

2019-11-25 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Mon, 2019-11-25 at 16:59 +0100, Johannes Rohr wrote: > > Am Mo., 25. Nov. 2019 um 16:47 Uhr schrieb Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users > : > > On Mon, 2019-11-25 at 10:17 -0500, Matthew Pounsett wrote: > > > Is there a timeline for that? Mailman 2.x requires python 2.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 3 Ready?

2019-11-25 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Mon, 2019-11-25 at 10:17 -0500, Matthew Pounsett wrote: > Is there a timeline for that? Mailman 2.x requires python 2.x, which is > EOL in about 40 days. I keep saying this a lot... the EOL you are referring to is Python's declared date that the Python team will no longer maintain Python2. H

Re: [Mailman-Users] English (USA)

2019-07-09 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Tue, 2019-07-09 at 08:40 -0400, Timothy Jasionowski wrote: > I don’t really have a dog in this fight, but can we acknowledge that > this version of Mailman is effectively on life support for a variety > of reasons, that the limited developer sup

Re: [Mailman-Users] English (USA)

2019-07-08 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Mon, 2019-07-08 at 14:17 -0700, Carl Zwanzig wrote: > On 7/8/2019 1:51 PM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > I just keep getting reminded that we specifically support USA English > > and we offer no other English l

Re: [Mailman-Users] English (USA)

2019-07-08 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Mon, 2019-07-08 at 13:32 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 7/8/19 1:00 PM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > > > Just to be clear, I'm not proposing changes to any po strings, rather > > just the labels. Th

Re: [Mailman-Users] English (USA)

2019-07-08 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Mon, 2019-07-08 at 12:46 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 7/8/19 12:15 PM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > > > > Now I'm confused. :-) I know about the differences in UK and US English > > are in general

Re: [Mailman-Users] English (USA)

2019-07-08 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Mon, 2019-07-08 at 21:06 +0200, Christian F Buser wrote: > Hi Jim > > I do not know about where the English (US) and English (UK) languages differ > in Mailman. But in school, half a century ago, I learnt (learned) about the > differences in ge

[Mailman-Users] English (USA)

2019-07-08 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 It has been brought to my attention again that Mailman supports one dialect of English, but declares that it the USA variant. What in Mailman makes the English language (translations?) specific to USA? In the interest of world perspectives, would a

Re: [Mailman-Users] What to do about SPF rejection?

2019-06-17 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Mon, 2019-06-17 at 12:47 -0400, John Levine wrote: > In article you write: > > Dear all, > > > > I today saw three bounces where the receiving mail server had said: > > > > host mail.gfbv.de[185.199.217.16] said: 550 external MTA > >sending our header From: (in reply to > >end

Re: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading mm 2.1.26 on Ubuntu 18.04 to 2.1.29

2019-06-06 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Thu, 2019-05-23 at 09:40 -0400, Fabian A. Santiago wrote: > also, that wiki page you sent me mention an error with missing dnspython > and it states to run this: > > "sudo apt-get install python-dnspython" > > but that claims it's already instal

Re: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading mm 2.1.26 on Ubuntu 18.04 to 2.1.29

2019-06-06 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Thu, 2019-05-23 at 09:04 -0400, Fabian A. Santiago wrote: > > Thanks for this heads up. i should also mention adding the ppa to my apt > sources fails on gpg signing key import. i had to do it manually, > searching for the key on ubuntu's keyserv

Re: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading mm 2.1.26 on Ubuntu 18.04 to 2.1.29

2019-06-06 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Wed, 2019-05-22 at 08:42 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 5/21/19 5:20 PM, Fabian Aldo Santiago wrote: > > > > So I started over (restored snapshot) and then tried adding a ppa apt > > source which contains 2.1.29: > > > > https://launchpad.net/~

Re: [Mailman-Users] Restrict archives to Administrator

2019-04-18 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Thu, 2019-04-18 at 17:23 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Mark Dale writes: > > > I've posted some notes on restricting a list's archive to Administrators > > only. They may be of use to some folks. > > Could you say something about the use case? If there's a common > enough reason for d

Re: [Mailman-Users] Restrict archives to Administrator

2019-04-18 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Thu, 2019-04-18 at 20:31 +1000, Mark Dale wrote: > > Mark Dale writes: > > > I've posted some notes on restricting a list's archive to Administrators > > > only. They may be of use to some folks. > > From: Stephen J. Turnbull [mailto:turnbull.stephen...@u.tsukuba.ac.jp] > > > Again, I'm not

Re: [Mailman-Users] Now that Python 2 is dead in 2020 what are people's plans with mailman2?

2019-04-10 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Wed, 2019-04-10 at 09:25 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > The path forward is to increase the community of MM 3 users which will > result in more people contributing to the project and faster progress. What Mailman things need assistance in MM3? I've avoided jumping in because honestly every tim

Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderating if keywords mentioned?

2019-02-22 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Sat, 2019-02-23 at 08:04 +1100, Peter Shute wrote: > Thanks. I assume that will work on subject lines, will it also > allow filtering on the message body? If not, is there any way > to do that? It won't work on msg body text. To do that you would need a custom handler (Mark sent that in his em

Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderating if keywords mentioned?

2019-02-22 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On February 22, 2019 6:33:48 PM UTC, Peter Shute wrote: >Is it possible to specify keywords that will cause a matching message >to >held for moderation? I thought I'd seen something like this, but I >can't >find it in the admin interface. > It's under Privacy Options -> Spam Filters. Set a r

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & DMARC question

2018-11-05 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Mon, 2018-11-05 at 10:07 -0600, David Gibbs wrote: > My quandary is: Is there any risk in implementing my own more > restrictive DMARC policy? > > Currently my DMARC policy is 'p=none' ... but I'd like to change that > to 'p=quarantine'. > > Is there any risk running mailing lists from a domai

Re: [Mailman-Users] GPG Sig parse error

2018-11-01 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Thu, 2018-11-01 at 16:48 -0600, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote: > On 11/01/2018 01:49 PM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > Apologies Grant it this is too much discussion of you :-) I'm only > > trying  > > to get to the root of the issue. > > N

Re: [Mailman-Users] GPG Sig parse error (was: Re: mm-handler starting version)

2018-11-01 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Thu, 2018-11-01 at 13:07 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/1/18 12:43 PM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > > > Here's what I see https://i.imgur.com/xLDnojI.png in Evolution.  I > > was wrong to assume it was a PGP parse error, it does however look > &g

Re: [Mailman-Users] GPG Sig parse error (was: Re: mm-handler starting version)

2018-11-01 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Thu, 2018-11-01 at 15:43 -0400, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > On Thu, 2018-11-01 at 12:30 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > On 11/1/18 12:11 PM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > > On Thu, 2018-11-01 at 12:27 -0600, Grant Taylor via Mailman

Re: [Mailman-Users] GPG Sig parse error (was: Re: mm-handler starting version)

2018-11-01 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Thu, 2018-11-01 at 12:30 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/1/18 12:11 PM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > On Thu, 2018-11-01 at 12:27 -0600, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users > > wrote: > > > Error verifyin

[Mailman-Users] GPG Sig parse error (was: Re: mm-handler starting version)

2018-11-01 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Thu, 2018-11-01 at 12:27 -0600, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote: > Error verifying signature: parse error Hello, I changed the subject and have GPG signed this message. I've done this because I keep seeing GPG Sig parse errors for Gr

[Mailman-Users] new Mailman Ubuntu builds (PPA)

2018-10-16 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hello, With some help from Mark and Barry, I was able to setup build "recipes" (Ubuntu Launchpad configurations) that will now automatically build and publish the latest greatest Mailman 2.x source that Mark releases. That's right, it's all auto-ma

Re: [Mailman-Users] Microsoft blocking our Mailman lists

2018-10-08 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Mon, 2018-10-08 at 11:01 -0500, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > > I've generally had good luck with Linode. Their tech folks are real > geniuses and technically their service really rock. Next time you're on one of their nodes do this: egrep "(MHz|mo

Re: [Mailman-Users] help setting up mailman

2018-09-19 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Tue, 2018-09-18 at 08:47 -0400, Matthew Draft wrote: > Hi, > I'm new to mailman and could use some advise as far as setting up a > new listserv.  Do I need to rent server space to hold the list data? Hi, If you don't want to rent a server and install and maintain mailman, you can find a list o

Re: [Mailman-Users] Unexpected password reminder from this list

2018-08-06 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Mon, 2018-08-06 at 19:00 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 08/06/2018 11:08 AM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > > > What's your thoughts on adding reCAPTCHA to the 2nd half of the > > listinfo page in orde

Re: [Mailman-Users] Unexpected password reminder from this list

2018-08-06 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Mon, 2018-08-06 at 16:20 -0400, Ruben Safir wrote: > On 08/06/2018 02:08 PM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > > > What's your thoughts on adding reCAPTCHA to the 2nd half of the > > listinfo page in orde

Re: [Mailman-Users] Unexpected password reminder from this list

2018-08-06 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Mon, 2018-08-06 at 05:33 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On August 6, 2018 3:14:05 AM PDT, Jayson Smith .com> wrote: > > Hi again, > > > > This was not a monthly password reminder. It specifically said > > that  > > "You—or someone posing as you—has

Re: [Mailman-Users] enabling reCAPTCHA for older lists

2018-07-22 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Sun, 2018-07-22 at 16:36 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 07/22/2018 12:49 PM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > > > What could be set for an older list that would break reCAPTCHAs? > > > A list specific listin

[Mailman-Users] enabling reCAPTCHA for older lists

2018-07-22 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hello, I've crossed over into reCAPTCHA hell (voluntarily!) currently looking for a savior. I have followed all the instructions in Defaults.py, and I have created the google account and setup the site-key and secret-key in mm_cfg.py, and resta

Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscribers getting through--email address in "Real Name"

2018-07-19 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On July 19, 2018 6:53:52 PM UTC, Jim Popovitch wrote: >On July 19, 2018 5:28:24 PM UTC, Mark Sapiro wrote: >>On 07/19/2018 08:02 AM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote: >>> >>> I have often wondered about enhancing Mailman, or augmenting it with >>a >>> milter, to be able to test the SMTP enve

Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscribers getting through--email address in "Real Name"

2018-07-19 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On July 19, 2018 5:28:24 PM UTC, Mark Sapiro wrote: >On 07/19/2018 08:02 AM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote: >> >> I have often wondered about enhancing Mailman, or augmenting it with >a >> milter, to be able to test the SMTP envelope from, to, and body >content >> against list parameters a

Re: [Mailman-Users] pending subscription to list "mailman"

2018-06-11 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Mon, 2018-06-11 at 12:21 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 6/11/18 10:26 AM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > > > For some unknown reason a legitimate human sent a subscribe request > > to  > > mailman-subsc

[Mailman-Users] pending subscription to list "mailman"

2018-06-11 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hello, For some unknown reason a legitimate human sent a subscribe request to mailman-subscr...@domain.tld and now I'm receiving pending subscriber notifications for the "mailman" list, which isn't a list with an available web interface. Is there

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bogus Subscriptions (was: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 172, Issue 6)

2018-06-04 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On June 5, 2018 1:22:54 AM UTC, Mark Sapiro wrote: >On 06/04/2018 05:48 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> I have applied the attached patch to a couple of installations. We'll >> see if it helps. > > >I have made this a feature contingent on setting > >mm_cfg.BLOCK_SPAMHAUS_LISTED_IP_SUBSCRIBE = Yes > Th

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bogus Subscriptions (was: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 172, Issue 6)

2018-06-04 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Mon, 2018-06-04 at 18:10 -0400, Jim Popovitch wrote: > On Mon, 2018-06-04 at 14:48 -0700, Russell Clemings wrote: > > They seem to be changing their tactics pretty much regularly now. > > Just > > tailing the subscribe log I see all of these: > >

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bogus Subscriptions (was: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 172, Issue 6)

2018-06-04 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Mon, 2018-06-04 at 14:48 -0700, Russell Clemings wrote: > They seem to be changing their tactics pretty much regularly now. > Just > tailing the subscribe log I see all of these: > > Jun 04 21:28:16 2018 (16689) LISTNAME1: pending Steven Lugo < >

Re: [Mailman-Users] Any scripting available for global site admin

2018-06-04 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Mon, 2018-06-04 at 18:47 +, Parker, Michael D. wrote: > I have mailman 2.x and am specifically interested in knowing how to > do the following two tasks: > > > 1.   List all users with all their mailing lists list_members -h > > 2.   

Re: [Mailman-Users] Fail2ban on the Mailman web interface

2018-06-03 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On June 3, 2018 5:44:17 PM UTC, Henrique Fagundes wrote: >Dear, > >Where should I put this file? >First I put it in "/ etc / mailman", and it did not work. > It's intended to be an example of modifications that can be made to Utils.py in order to get better logging. If you look in the mischief

Re: [Mailman-Users] Fail2ban on the Mailman web interface

2018-06-03 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Sun, 2018-06-03 at 13:52 -0300, Henrique Fagundes wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > Good afternoon! > > I begin by apologizing for the fact that this text is difficult to  > interpret because I am Brazilian and I do not have many English > language  > skills. > > I'm having a hard time using Fail

Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam Subscriptions

2018-06-02 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Sat, 2018-06-02 at 20:50 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Are they just script kiddies trying to be noticed or are they > actually trying to accomplish something. I don't think they know what potential they have, but they know there has to be somethin

Re: [Mailman-Users] Probable bug in Bouncers/DSN.py

2018-05-24 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Argh! This was intended for just Mark, not the whole list. Sigh. - -Jim P. On Thu, 2018-05-24 at 11:40 -0400, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > Hello! > > Given a bounce msg with a subpart of: > > >   messa

[Mailman-Users] Probable bug in Bouncers/DSN.py

2018-05-24 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hello! Given a bounce msg with a subpart of: message/delivery-status: Final-Recipient: rfc822;u...@domain.tld Action: failed Status: 5.1.10 Diagnostic-Code: smtp;550 5.1.10 RESOLVER.ADR.RecipientNotFound; and the code begi