and I have to deal with them later.
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My
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I typically recommend Dell to any consumers that ask
me about computers. Mainly because it's highly
unlikely
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I would agree
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I typically recommend Dell to any consumers that ask
me about computers. Mainly because it's
LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I upgraded from Win98 to XP home and there's no comparision - XP was
a major leap forward. Stable, faster, easy to upgrade the OS and
other stuff in the puter.
Good grief yes that would be an improvement. Win98 was still mostly a
graphical UI over DOS. When
, January 28, 2008 7:16 AM
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Thx Tom,
I presently have 2 HDs in my desktop - last time I opend the sace I saw the
Mobo has power/data cables for a SATA drive - which makes adding another HD
easier since the mobo supports SATA.
I bought
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If current XP is stable then things are worse than I thought.
Our corporation doesn't have
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IT jobs are not as prevalent as some would have you
believe. It also goes without saying that just
because you have
Unfortunately, to many programs these load listeners, etc. at boot -
those cause the problems.
Any properly designed system wouldn't even notice how many installed
but unused programs were there. Ever.
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SATA is a different interface but they support 100% of the ATA command
Genital Warts are better than
Syphalis.
-Curt
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 20:43:38 -0500
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money and I have to deal with them later.
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Look man I'm no Microsoft appologist but if you've got a server it dammed
well better have a server OS.
Running XP on a box and calling it a server
No. I frequently switch mine back and forth in the BIOS.
Luther
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 06:39:37 -0600, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is it a problem using a SATA HD as a slave to a ATA HDs -- trying to
understand the difference between the 2 although I have gone to a computer
glossary - it
My experience exactly All those who learned it themselves have
been better IT guys than those from the schools with certs.
On Jan 28, 2008 9:19 AM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I helped build a support group a couple years ago and had tons of those
people apply for
$30k (in New
my current board is asus, at the time they were the best from what I was
told then. Guess they still are? Looked at the antec cases too. As
far as processors go, that is confusing to me. They have all different
kinds and names of these. Prefer to stick with AMD, I do know that.
What is
speaking of windows update, I have 2 different computers that I do the
windows update, it downloads them but wont install any of the updates.
AFter it goes thru its deal, says update failed. Anybody got a clue
about that?
Allan Streib wrote:
LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I upgraded
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:56:50 -0600 Kaleb C. Striplin
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my current board is asus, at the time they were the best from what I was
told then. Guess they still are? Looked at the antec cases too. As
far as processors go, that is confusing to me. They have all different
I had one that did that at work, turned out to be some domain policy
that was blocking whatever one of the updates needed to do. But, I'd
guess that's not the same issue you have since these are (correct me
if I'm wrong) home systems.
Allan
On Jan 28, 2008, at 9:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin
yes, both at home, quite strange.
Allan Streib wrote:
I had one that did that at work, turned out to be some domain policy
that was blocking whatever one of the updates needed to do. But, I'd
guess that's not the same issue you have since these are (correct me
if I'm wrong) home
Kaleb, I am assuming W2K or XP. Try the 'custom button after it 'thinks'
for a while you will get a list with the 'critical updates on it (there
is also lists for 'optional software and hardware(driver related) ignore
these lists for now. again here I am assuming that you are getting hosed
on a
That's why you'd do the preliminary interview over the phone, gives you
an idea of those who have phone skills and can think on their feet.
Get a set of questions that they may encounter and see how they do.
Hendrik
In support its even harder to tell who will be steady on the phone and not
The Antec cases are the way to go. They might be more
expensive, but you have something you'll be happy with.
Craig
Yup.
And they have good service. The power supply fan fail in my
Sonata.(extra quiet) I called them up to see if it was a special
fan I should get from them or just get a
Been looking into the computer upgrade thing. As I posted before, I
always custom ordered what I wanted as far as processor, memory etc then
just transfer my other hardware over. Im getting a big headache trying
to figure out what processor is what, what memory is what etc. Ran thru
a few
Do some browsing on Tigerdirect.com. They should have some barebones
systems with good prices and no OS.
Its a personal bugaboo for me. Last time I went shopping for a computer
(5 years ago or so) I walked into Best Buy, saw what I wanted and asked
how much it would cost without the Micro$oft
Prices being what they are these days, if I were looking to build up another
PC, I would probably go to one of the builders and just order something that
suited my needs. TigerDirect is certainly an option, but it's been my opinion
that the market has become so competitive over the last few
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Been looking into the computer upgrade thing. As I posted before, I
always custom ordered what I wanted as far
On Jan 27, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Lee Einer wrote:
Its a personal bugaboo for me. Last time I went shopping for a
computer
(5 years ago or so) I walked into Best Buy, saw what I wanted and
asked
how much it would cost without the Micro$oft crap on it.
Microsoft has deals with the PC
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Been looking into the computer upgrade thing. As I posted before, I
always custom ordered what I wanted as far as processor, memory etc
then
just transfer my other hardware over. Im getting
You can count on Dell to use non-standard motherboards, power
supplies, and cases. I have stopped using then for rackmount systems
too. They are good for a cheap desktop in an office.
One customer bought a couple rackmount Dells that are supposed to take
8 hard drives. The drive caddies were not
.
Thanks,
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You can count on Dell to use non
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On Jan 27, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Lee Einer wrote:
Its a personal bugaboo for me. Last time I went shopping for a
computer
(5 years ago or so) I walked
On Jan 27, 2008 1:30 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Been looking into the computer upgrade thing. As I posted before, I
always custom ordered what I wanted as far as processor, memory etc then
just transfer my other hardware over. Im getting a big headache trying
to figure
On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:30:52 -0600 Kaleb C. Striplin
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Been looking into the computer upgrade thing. As I posted before, I
always custom ordered what I wanted as far as processor, memory etc then
just transfer my other hardware over. Im getting a big headache trying
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Do some browsing on Tigerdirect.com. They should have some barebones
systems with good prices and no OS.
Its a personal
I bought a cheapish HP desktop a few years ago and it has been very
reliable, no failure yet and it runs all day.
I have upgraded a few components to get a bit more speed. However the
down side is that it is not a standard size and has a small motherboard
and only PCI slots.
My next computer
Oh the only prebuilt system I wouldn't get is a Sony. Run away screaming from
any Sony machine. In all my time in tech support the only brand we consistantly
had problems with was Sony. They sold customers all kinds of crap that was
broken or broke immediately or just never lived up to
: [MBZ] OT, computers again
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Been looking into the computer upgrade thing. As I posted before, I
always custom ordered what I wanted as far as processor, memory etc
I typically recommend Dell to any consumers that ask
me about computers. Mainly because it's highly
unlikely they will care about upgrading, and Dell's
customer support is still waayyy up the charts
compared to anyone else.
For $1000 you can get a really nice Dell configured
the way you want it.
Anybody know anything about those eMachines? Junk or what?
dave walton wrote:
You can count on Dell to use non-standard motherboards, power
supplies, and cases. I have stopped using then for rackmount systems
too. They are good for a cheap desktop in an office.
One customer bought a couple
Thats were I was checking earlier today. If I do go that route, will
probably try them out.
Craig McCluskey wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:30:52 -0600 Kaleb C. Striplin
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Been looking into the computer upgrade thing. As I posted before, I
always custom ordered what
).
-Curt
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:30:52 -0600
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Been looking into the computer
OMG. If there every was a blueprint for inconsistency
in components, eMachines would be the gold standard.
eMachines were the impetus for me to stop doing work
on the side. About 2-3 years ago these started to
propagate all over the damned place, and every one
made me crazy.
It was when I had
got ya, just wondered since I always see them cheap.
LWB250 wrote:
OMG. If there every was a blueprint for inconsistency
in components, eMachines would be the gold standard.
eMachines were the impetus for me to stop doing work
on the side. About 2-3 years ago these started to
propagate
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Anybody know anything about those eMachines? Junk or what?
dave walton wrote:
You can count on Dell to use non-standard
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You can count on Dell to use non-standard
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I typically recommend Dell to any consumers that ask
me about computers. Mainly because it's highly
unlikely they will care
RUN AWAY. Slightly below Yugo in quality. I've worked on a few -- strictly
to-the-landfill stuff.
On Jan 27, 2008 7:08 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anybody know anything about those eMachines? Junk or what?
--
LT Don
http://don.homelinux.net/~don/
apt-get update
When was the last time MS ever released an OS back to back like that?
Windows ME, followed by Window 2000
Rick Knoble
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Followed by XP, followed by Vista ... preceded by the Linux exodus.
On Jan 27, 2008 7:38 PM, Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When was the last time MS ever released an OS back to back like that?
Windows ME, followed by Window 2000
Rick Knoble
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Do they still release updates for Windows 2000?
That was really the pinnacle of Windows, as far as I am concerned.
Basically stable, and not too bloated.
Allan
On Jan 27, 2008, at 8:38 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:
When was the last time MS ever released an OS back to back like that?
Windows
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Followed by XP, followed by Vista ... preceded by the Linux exodus.
On Jan 27, 2008 7:38 PM, Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When was the last time MS ever released an OS back to back like that?
Windows ME, followed by Window 2000
Rick Knoble
Yes. Microsoft has committed to supporting Windows 2000 until 2010.
Until then, critical and security updates will be distributed for
free. Any support issues require use or purchase of a Support
Incident. Microsoft has not committed to making any future versions
of IE or Media Player backwards
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Do they still release updates for Windows 2000?
That was really the pinnacle of Windows, as far as I am concerned.
Basically stable, and not too bloated.
Allan
On Jan 27, 2008, at 8:38 PM
, January 27, 2008 7:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again
Yes. Microsoft has committed to supporting Windows 2000 until 2010.
Until then, critical and security updates will be distributed for
free. Any support issues require use or purchase of a Support
Incident
If current XP is stable then things are worse than I thought.
Our corporation doesn't have an IT guy, so I get tapped for that role almost
every day at work because everyone knows I used to work as an IT guy. The
Director I work for has made a policy -- I am IT support for her computer
and for
We have been very pleased with the HP servers,
although we have seen what appears to be an
inordinately high hard drive fail rate in some. Not
that it is HP's fault, but... our domain controllers
seem to have their drives cack in pairs, when they do
fail, which is weird. Still trying to document
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If current XP is stable then things are worse than I thought.
Our corporation doesn't have
I would agree with Tom. We have nearly 100,000 nodes
now, about 90% of which are running XP, and we have
almost no problems. We're running an enterprise
version of SAV and everything is locked down courtesy
of Active Directory and group policies applied both
globally and to individual OUs.
I am
yea, 2000 was a good os, I have a copy of it around here somewhere.
Allan Streib wrote:
Do they still release updates for Windows 2000?
That was really the pinnacle of Windows, as far as I am concerned.
Basically stable, and not too bloated.
Allan
On Jan 27, 2008, at 8:38 PM, Rick
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If current XP is stable then things are worse than I thought.
Our corporation doesn't have an IT guy, so I get tapped for that role
almost
every day at work because everyone knows I used to work as an IT guy. The
Director I work
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If current XP is stable then things are worse than I thought.
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every day
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If current XP is stable then things are worse than I thought.
Our corporation doesn't have an IT guy, so I get tapped for that role
List
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If current XP is stable then things are worse than I thought.
Our corporation doesn't have an IT guy, so I get tapped for that
role almost
every day at work because everyone knows I used to work as an IT
guy. The
Director I work for has made
Expose the idiot.
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The issue
:
Expose the idiot.
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current employer 2 years after you start.
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Hell no. The movr he screws things up, the more valuable I would be when
they create the position
List
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IT jobs are not as prevalent as some would have you
believe. It also goes without saying that just
because you have an IT background/certs/experience
you'll have no problem finding a job.
The school I am at has a 4th grade teaching position
that just
IT jobs are not as prevalent as some would have you
believe. It also goes without saying that just
because you have an IT background/certs/experience
you'll have no problem finding a job.
The school I am at has a 4th grade teaching position
that just opened up. I happened to empty the fax
I know they're 10k SATA drives, but not sure of the
brand at this point. The machines are all still under
warranty, so at this point I'm just collecting data
about the machines relative to the failures. I'll
have to pull one tomorrow to see what they are...
Dan
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It is pretty much ASSUMED by the CEO that I
On Jan 27, 2008 10:27 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nothing is guaranteed it takes more than certifications to be a well
paid
IT manager.
You need to have the skill to manage your clients to do in a politically
correct manner. Problem is, most technical people have the
On Jan 27, 2008 10:33 PM, Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sun will happily ship you an Intel Core Duo 2 system with 512 MB (okay,
not great, but this *is* the base system) NVidia graphics, 250 GB hard
drive, DVD and the standard ethernet, USB, audio, etc all for $995. Great
basic
On Jan 27, 2008 8:08 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anybody know anything about those eMachines? Junk or what?
Look, I got to jump back in here. You guys know Mercedes, I know computers.
If you are hell bent on buying a pre-manufactured Brand Name computer you
need to truly
The problem with XP and other windows products is all the programs that
people install onto it, this loads it up, slows it down and eventually
it crashes.
A properly set up XP should be reliable as long as it is not stressed
with a 1000 little programs all competing for memory and processor
If anyone is interrested, you can purchase certified used IBM equipment
(laptops, desktops ,servers ,etc etc) at discounted prices thru the
employee purchase plan.
http://www-132.ibm.com/content/home/store_eppus/en_US/epplogin.html
Also, discounted prices on new IBM and Levono HW at their site.
The moderator of this board builds custom systems in Florida.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/board.asp?board_id=2128
There was some computer talk last week on a trader's board, Bruce
was advising the rest of us on the best way to set up a trading
workstation with 4 video boards and 8
Unless you have some reason to want vista, stick with XP Pro. If you
get stuck with vista, you can change the interface to look like XP
bubble gum, or to look like Windows 2000, which is still the best OS
ever built by M$.
At 01:03 PM 1/27/2008, you wrote:
Prices being what they are these
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Been looking into the computer upgrade thing.
Just about any computer is good enough for most uses if it's
running smoothly.
I've been upgrading my 3 year old $300 E-Machine this weekend.
Put the original hard drive back in it and ran the system restore
dvd. All the
True, and a great argument for a well managed network.
Thanks, Tom
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The problem with XP and other windows
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On Jan 27, 2008 10:27 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nothing is guaranteed it takes more than certifications to be a well
A rock! The nerve!
That's what they look like. Until you poke them.
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The problem with XP and other windows products is all the programs that
people install onto it, this loads it up, slows it down and eventually
it crashes.
A properly set up XP should be reliable as long as it is not stressed
with a 1000 little programs all competing for memory and processor
Is that a good thing or should I just look on ebay and buy
something there that may or may not have an OS installed?
I did. Just bought my third Pismo. (Started with one for my
wife, bought one for me and as spare parts on-the-hoof.) Named
hers Pismo (how imaginative), mine Hismo. This new
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