And how! Its not if one will leak its when.
The early single processor G5s were also garbage. AFAIK the others were pretty
good.
-Curt
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 20:21:31 -0500
From: Allan Streib
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
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Sort of like the Mercedes saying, "if doesn't leak, it will" :-)
My buddy has a G5 and a 30" and they're both chugging along fine.
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
> The liquid cooled PPC G5 machines were the last of their kind, thank
> goodness, and the liquid cooling was a
The liquid cooled PPC G5 machines were the last of their kind, thank goodness,
and the liquid cooling was an approach to try and get the max out of these
processors without changing the form factor of the machine, I believe.
And yes, they were troublesome.
As someone mentioned earlier in the th
Brian Toscano writes:
> Friends have owned Macs longer than I have, and I haven't heard of any
> major problems with their PPC machines.
The liquid cooled G5 machines were prone to trouble, from what I've heard.
Allan
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1979 300SD
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Friends have owned Macs longer than I have, and I haven't heard of any
major problems with their PPC machines. The newer ones seem to have more
problems, but laptop batteries and SuperDrives are kind of like repairing
tie rod ends in my opinion. Its unfortunate that people are having
graphics con
Absolutely. There is no question that the enterprise level IBM stuff is very
high quality for the most part. That being said, a lot of the commodity grade
things that come with it (hardware, racks, slides, etc.) are just that - made
in China and not all that well.
I helped hang a couple of IB
Dan Penoff writes:
> I just hung a couple of them along with a controller in our data
> center last week. I think it was $175K worth of hardware that would
> be equivalent to about a third of that (or less) if it had been
> Windows boxes. Or at least that was what I was told.
To be fair, the co
Beats me.
I just hung a couple of them along with a controller in our data center last
week. I think it was $175K worth of hardware that would be equivalent to about
a third of that (or less) if it had been Windows boxes. Or at least that was
what I was told.
I know nothing about midrange/mai
SSD isn't good at a lot of repetitive writes, since it causes actual
degradation of the memory cells. For repetitive reads, they work very well.
My desktop machine uses an ssd for the OS and core programs, and a 2Tb WD
drive for everything else like caching and storage.
I also make use of the 8Gb
Dan Penoff writes:
> Almost as weird as the spread between enterprise grade Windows servers
> and IBM's AIX boxes.
Are they still using Power CPUs for those?
Allan
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1983 300D
1979 300SD
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For new and used parts go to www.okieben
Dan Penoff writes:
> Believe it or not, the 12" PowerBooks are still in great demand within
> the Mac community. That particular model struck a great balance
> between portability and power, and was used heavily in the Mac
> business community.
>
> Resale values on these models are exceptionally
Curt Raymond writes:
> A similarly priced HP workstation would get a 3 year ON SITE
> warranty...
The PC makers pretty much all offer this on their business machines, for
the simple reason that the others do it. Apple doesn't have any
competitors for their exact product, so they have less press
Believe it or not, the 12" PowerBooks are still in great demand within the Mac
community. That particular model struck a great balance between portability
and power, and was used heavily in the Mac business community.
Resale values on these models are exceptionally high despite their age and la
t work for your situation...
LarryT
91 300D
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From: Peter Frederick
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 9:54 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
Those 12" PBs were great -- iight, full sized keyboard, decent
battery life, and
I still have my Pivot. Even prior to that Apple had the 2 page
display. It was BW but it would display 2 pages side by side. It
was great for assembling large documents from small, editing,
proofing and so forth. I found one used and gave it to the lady who
edited my thesis and lots of othe
Those 12" PBs were great -- iight, full sized keyboard, decent
battery life, and small enough not to require a huge case. Bought
one for my niece for college and she loves it. Best thing is the
deep screen, since she uses it mostly for writing papers and such
stuff, and a "widescreen" is
I travelled with a 12" Powerbook and used terminal services client to
tap into my static winders machines for several years. Now I seldom
use winders. I still keep server running on a couple of boxes and
have an XP box for occasional use. The 12" PB was and still is way
better for the road w
Almost as weird as the spread between enterprise grade Windows servers and
IBM's AIX boxes.
We have both at work and the disparity in costs is breathtaking
Dan
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On Dec 24, 2011, at 1:44 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:
>> Logic board is the standard terminology from way back. App
Logic board is the standard terminology from way back. Apple has used
the term since the Apple I. "Motherboard" was a term used by PC
clone makers, I seem to remember.
It's an easy distinction. Both the Apple II, and its later
pseudo-clone IBM PC, had card slots. The Apple, at least,
did no
I purchased my Mac in October 2007 and have never reinstalled the OS. I've
upgraded the OS a few times, and copied it to a new hard drive when I
upgraded to a larger one, but never reinstalled :-) The laptop was thinner
and lighter (especially the power supply) than the 17" Dell I was issued at
t
Yep, then there is dell that will let you talk to somebody in India.
And then there are the times they (Hp, Dell or ?) claim it is the
OS. Call M$ and you get to talk to somebody in India. If you get
get them to escalate, then you get to talk to another schmuck in
india the next day. After
For those who don't know what color matching is and means, it's the
ability to reproduce the image on the screen exactly in print, taking
into account all the variations inherent in monitors, illumination,
and reproduction devices. It's a huge problem in photo reproduction
(printing images
We used Wintel boxes in the graphics department until we got the honking
color Xerox machine, then went to Macs for the color management. The Macs
have been no more reliable nor less prone to crashes than Windows, but the
color management is better.
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Peter Frederick
ick up your machine.
If your HP fails HP sends a guy to you who fixes it... Apple makes
reasonably nice computers but their support stinks.
-Curt
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 14:46:02 -0800
From: Alex Chamberlain
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
Dec 2011 14:46:02 -0800
> From: Alex Chamberlain
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
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> On Dec 23, 2011 2:25 PM, "Curt Raymond" wrote:
>>
Curt Raymond wrote:
If you're working professionally with a Mac and it fails you schedule an
appointment and head over to the Apple store at the mall.
I thought if you were working professionally with a Mac and it fails, you get
out the spare Mac, sort of like keeping a spare tire in your tr
lep BACK to the Apple
> store and pick up your machine.
>
> If your HP fails HP sends a guy to you who fixes it... Apple makes
> reasonably nice computers but their support stinks.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 14:46:02 -0800
> From: Alex Chamberlain
> To: Merc
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On Dec 23, 2011 2:25 PM, "Curt Raymond" wrote:
> I continue to be baffled by people
> who use Ma
Color management on a Mac is doable, if not exactly easy. On a
Windoze machine, you simply MUST have calibration equipment that is
very expensive and difficult to use, and even then it's no better
than Colorsync. Microsoft support for color matching seems to be
essentially not present, an
On Dec 23, 2011 2:25 PM, "Curt Raymond" wrote:
> I continue to be baffled by people
> who use Macs for professional work.
>
I don't want to start a religious war here, but it's not always about price
or even reliability. There are reasons why design for print is
overwhelmingly done on Macs, for
A similarly priced HP workstation would get a 3 year ON SITE warranty...
I continue to be baffled by people who use Macs for professional work.
-Curt
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:00:00 -0500
From: andrew strasfogel
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
Logic board is the standard terminology from way back. Apple has used
the term since the Apple I. "Motherboard" was a term used by PC
clone makers, I seem to remember.
Logic board makes more sense, as the hardware "logic" used to operate
the machine resides there.
Besides, Jobs would ha
Incidentally, the Uber Genius told me that my 2008 MBP would be
categorized as a "vintage computer" in a year, which means either that
Apple will stop supporting it or that all recalls will no longer
apply.
On 12/23/11, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It is illogical.
>
>>andrew strasfog
It is illogical.
andrew strasfogel writes:
logic board
Apple-speak for motherboard. Not sure why they use that term.
Allan
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1983 300D
1979 300SD
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andrew strasfogel writes:
> FWIW, the UG* said they would fix everything on the computer that
> needs fixin' while replacing the bad part.
That's because replacing the "logic board" is essentially giving you a
new computer. It's an all-in-one assembly.
Allan
--
1983 300D
1979 300SD
_
The usual problem with those video chips (and it's not isolated to
the Macbooks, by the way) is poor soldering and inadequate cooling,
with the result that the surface mount chip solder connection (these
are ball grid array, meaning that the connections are a grid on the
bottom of the chip)
BTW its "nVidia" not Nvideo and the video card is part of the logic
board (known as a motherboard on every other computer)
Erroneously, if you ask me. Logic board is more correct, since the
board is not a 'mother' to others.
and a big thank you to Apple for making them one piece.
This is do
; the least green companies around. Non-replaceable batteries in phones and
> ipods being another example.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 23:21:46 -0500
> From: andrew strasfogel
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
> Me
pple
for making them one piece. Apple should get an award for being one of the least
green companies around. Non-replaceable batteries in phones and ipods being
another example.
-Curt
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 23:21:46 -0500
From: andrew strasfogel
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re
> > andrew strasfogel writes:
> >
> > logic board
> Allan Streib wrote:
>
> Apple-speak for motherboard. Not sure why they use that term.
"logic board" is probably more accurate. A motherboard is
really only a motherboard if there are daughter-boards connected
to it. In anything but modern c
andrew strasfogel writes:
> logic board
Apple-speak for motherboard. Not sure why they use that term.
Allan
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1983 300D
1979 300SD
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I spoke to soon. The uber Genius at the Apple Store said 1) recall is
over, 2) I don't have the Nvideo any way, and 3) diagnostics showed it's
the logic board that needs replacing. Off it goes to Genius land for
repair.
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 5:25 PM, clay monroe wrote:
> OWC has been offerin
OWC has been offering a few used machines in the $400+ range. Might be a
source for parts or usable machine and your old one for parts
clay
On Dec 21, 2011, at 12:43 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
> The flat rate option which requires shipping was about $300 for my buddy.
> In-store repair was about
Brian,
You nailed it. My computer is covered by the Nvidia recall, so I can
drop it of at the nearby Applie Store at 7:15 tonight to get it fixed
free of charge. Thanks!! :))
I must say, the folks on this list are among the most helpful on this
(or any other) planet.
Andrew
2 300TDs and a bla
Andrew,
I don't know where to look up the serial number, but here is a link from
Apple's web site:
http://support.apple.com/kb/TS2377
Symptoms
In July 2008, NVIDIA publicly acknowledged a higher than normal failure
rate for some of their graphics processors due to a packaging defect. At
that sam
With a magnifying glass I was able to read the serial number: W87411ZHYAL
Is this computer still under the campaign?
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
> Worst case if it's not something covered under a campaign would be to go
> the flat fee repair they offer if you want to kee
I tired it that way - no change in the display.
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
> andrew strasfogel writes:
>
> > Incidentally, the PRAM test was a complete disaster! I held down the P, R
> > Option + Command keys for several minutes, yet the computer was utterly
> > unres
With a second Mac and a firewire cable he could boot into target disc mode,
copy the data off and bobs-yer-uncle.
-Curt
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 15:38:23 -0700
From: Brian Toscano
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
Message-ID:
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andrew strasfogel writes:
> Incidentally, the PRAM test was a complete disaster! I held down the P, R
> Option + Command keys for several minutes, yet the computer was utterly
> unresponsive - didn't turn off/restart.
You turn the computer off first, then turn it on while holding those
keys dow
Who wanted to know the serial number - Dan?
With a magnifying glass I was able to read it: W87411ZHYAL
Am I covered under the recall?
Incidentally, the PRAM test was a complete disaster! I held down the P, R
Option + Command keys for several minutes, yet the computer was utterly
unresponsive -
The only problem for Andrew is he cannot see anything to make such a backup.
I keep two sets of my hard drives. One set is off-site in case of fire or
burglary.
Brian
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
> They really hammer this home in GSX, their repair system. I suspect it
solution!
Anyway I personally have very few computer issues period and considering the
kind of work I do (video production) and how it stresses the machine thats a
big of a surprise...
-Curt
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 13:33:16 -0800
From: Alex Chamberlain
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject:
They really hammer this home in GSX, their repair system. I suspect it's
because people never make backups and then find out the hard drive got replaced
during a repair, effectively nuking years of data (pictures and music, no
doubt!)
The easiest way to do this if you have an external HD that'
> I'd just send as-is, but make a hard drive backup if you have the
> equipment to do so.
Absolutely do, Apple will replace the hard drive without asking if that's
somehow the problem. Or so I was told when I had my MacBook Pro sent in
for a dead *external* display (it needed a new main board, co
On Dec 21, 2011 1:18 PM, "Dan Penoff" wrote:
> I must be living right, as I have yet to own a Mac that required repairs.
And this is over 15+ years of Mac ownership of a lot of different
machines,
You're not the only one. Never needed any Mac fixed since the first one I
bought (an SE, in 1987--
It is going to have to have the battery installed for testing. The battery
would have no effect on the graphics issue, but they will want to test
everything as a unit, so the battery is a must.
I must be living right, as I have yet to own a Mac that required repairs. And
this is over 15+ year
I'd just send as-is, but make a hard drive backup if you have the equipment
to do so.
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 1:54 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
> I just bought a new battery. Should I remove it before sending it
> along with the computer if I do need to ship it for repairr? I think
> I know t
I just bought a new battery. Should I remove it before sending it
along with the computer if I do need to ship it for repairr? I think
I know the answer - they would need the battery to rule out a battery
problem, right?
On 12/21/11, Brian Toscano wrote:
> The flat rate option which requires sh
The flat rate option which requires shipping was about $300 for my buddy.
In-store repair was about $900-1000.
Since the free motherboard replacement, all I've had to do is replace the
battery & SuperDrive. For as much as I use the laptop, I really can't
complain. Upgrading the hard drive and m
I hope that the SN is engraved into the case and not part of the Mac
info on the hard drive that can only revealed by viewing it on the
display!
On 12/21/11, Dan Penoff wrote:
> Worst case if it's not something covered under a campaign would be to go the
> flat fee repair they offer if you want t
Worst case if it's not something covered under a campaign would be to go the
flat fee repair they offer if you want to keep it.
If I had a serial number I could look up the part on GSX and tell you, but rest
assured, it won't be cheap.
Dan
On Dec 21, 2011, at 3:11 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
"He" being me, I am curious as to what it will cost for a new motherboard.
On 12/21/11, Brian Toscano wrote:
> Dan,
>
> I'm not sure if they changed the procedures since my motherboard was
> diagnosed and replaced, but back then they used a FireWire hard drive to
> boot externally and it generate
Dan,
I'm not sure if they changed the procedures since my motherboard was
diagnosed and replaced, but back then they used a FireWire hard drive to
boot externally and it generated a light pattern that told the tech "bad
graphics controller".
Troubleshooting procedures should be followed to correc
I am willing to wager a Milt Romney $10,000 bill that the problem
cannot be solved by a simple reset.
On 12/21/11, Dan Penoff wrote:
> Probably not. I'm not directly familiar with this issue, but removing power
> from a machine for a period of time can cause some interesting changes.
> That's on
Probably not. I'm not directly familiar with this issue, but removing power
from a machine for a period of time can cause some interesting changes. That's
one of the reasons why it's a part of the troubleshooting process
Dan
On Dec 21, 2011, at 12:55 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
> Thank
The resets are part of the troubleshooting process, and are documented in the
Apple service literature. While they don't always yield a change in the issue,
they are valid steps that the Genius or repair personnel will enlist before
moving forward.
The nVidia issue is clearly documented on Appl
My advise is to take it to the Apple Store in Bethesda or Tysons, let them
diagnose and tell you what to do. Ask them about the nVIDIA recall issue
and if your machine is covered under that. If its not covered, shipping it
is much cheaper than an in-store repair and reasonably fast (less than 1
w
In my experience, all of these resets are a waste of time. Basically the
graphics card will flake out a couple of time and then its just completely
dead. My buddy went through all of the resets, battery swaps, as I did and
in both cases a new motherboard was the only fix. If his computer was
sub
Thanks. Apple support told me the same thing so I will do this when I
get home tonight.
What puzzles me is why the screen came back to life the first time -
after I removed the battery for several hours and then reinstalled it.
Could this have been a coincidence?
On 12/21/11, Dan Penoff wrote
Even before you reset the NVRAM and the power controller, which is the
procedure you describe, try resetting the PRAM, which you do by holding down
the P + R + Command + Option keys during startup until you hear the "bong"
sound - keep holding them down and let the machine restart 3 times with t
Great advice - will do!
I googled the manual and here are two other ideas.
1. "If the first two suggestions do not solve the problem, return the
computer to its
factory settings by disconnecting the power adapter, removing the battery, and
holding down the power (®) button for at least 5 seconds
Unlike a Windows based PC, Macs do not require that the external display port
be toggled on and off. There is no "Fn + F4" function on a Mac. When you plug
in the external display, you get it.
I checked, and the NVidia graphics issue went through late 2008 with MBPs, so
there might be a possi
Thanks! Fortunately, there is an Apple Store in nearby Bethesda, MD.
My son said to toggle the external screen display setting on and off,
using a combination of keystrokes that I may have inadvertently
triggered. Does anyone know what those keystrokes are?
On 12/21/11, Allan Streib wrote:
>
Even if you don't have a local apple store, you probably have an apple
authorized repair shop. I'd go with Best Buy only as a last resort,
based on the one here nobody working there has a clue about technology.
Allan
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011, at 11:13 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:
> Before you panic, try c
Before you panic, try connecting it to an external display and see if you get a
signal. If so, your graphics card is OK, you have an issue with the display.
If you don't have an adapter for an external monitor, swing by an Apple Store
or a Best Buy and see if they will check it for you. Apple
Its possible the graphics controller has died in which case you will need a
new motherboard. Get it diagnosed first and see what they say. Apple has
a flat rate repair if you ship the laptop to Texas ~ $300-325. My buddy
just had the graphics go out on his '07 MBP. About 18 months ago mine went
My 2008 MacBook Pro laptop has lost its display. The first time this
happened (black screen),was after the unit was plugged in (recharged)
overnight. I reset the battery (removed it for a couple hours),
reinstalled it and the screen sprang back to life. Now it's happened
again, but this time the
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