are stupid. Fun car to drive, rocketship compared to a 240D
with 40mpg in the summer. Not bad in the snow as my surviving my commute
today proves.
-Curt
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:40:59 -0600
From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] hard wiring glow plugs
To: Mercedes
Manual. Its a diesel though, not thinking you'd want that trade...
I expect I could find a similar gasser though...
-Curt
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:42:42 -0600
From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] hard wiring glow plugs
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
My understanding is that the primary difference between the 'new' relay and
the stock one that came with the 240D is that the 'new' relay keeps the glow
plugs on for a while after the vehicle is started. Info came from Marshall,
if I remember.
On Dec 14, 2007 12:27 AM, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Don't you have a 30-0-30 ammeter? Put some 10ga wire on both ends of it, clip
one end to the + terminal of the battery, touch the other end to the exposed
tip of your installed gp's. Each one should peg out, then over 3-5 seconds
drop in current to about 10-15A and settle in there. If it
Quantum is still running fine. In fact, I drove it to work this morning. But
it will probably go on the auction block soon to finance the gasser / winter
car.
On Dec 13, 2007 8:16 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What about the quantum?
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Wonko the Sane wrote:
I am hoping it is the glow plug. If not, then it is definitely a gasser in
the garage. If that is the case, I will keep the Benz but will put it into
winter storage.
What about the quantum?
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$50!
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:31:49 -0600, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quantum is still running fine. In fact, I drove it to work this morning. But
it will probably go on the auction block soon to finance the gasser / winter
car.
On Dec 13, 2007 8:16 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL
$51.00
On Dec 13, 2007 8:39 AM, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
$50!
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:31:49 -0600, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quantum is still running fine. In fact, I drove it to work this morning. But
it will probably go on the auction block soon to finance the gasser
As Kleb would say --- hahahahahahahahah. (It has relatively new Goodyear
Regatta 2 tires, so about x7 of your bid and the *tires* would be paid for.)
On Dec 13, 2007 9:27 AM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
$51.00
On Dec 13, 2007 8:39 AM, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
$50!
On Thu, 13
Don't you have a 30-0-30 ammeter? Put some 10ga wire on both ends of
it, clip one end to the + terminal of the battery, touch the other end
to the exposed tip of your installed gp's. Each one should peg out,
then over 3-5 seconds drop in current to about 10-15A and settle in
there. If
Wonko the Sane wrote:
new wiper blades
Oh come on!
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Had to include them -- got them from Rusty so I am *sure* they were top
quality stuff.
On Dec 13, 2007 11:25 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wonko the Sane wrote:
new wiper blades
Oh come on!
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Actually, the most labor intensive and PITA job was draining/dropping the
fuel tank and replacing fuel lines. There was an air leak that was impacting
start times. Even with the tank removed it was difficult to re-plumb. ... I
was quite surprised to find how quickly the car started after the
Wonko the Sane wrote:
Had to include them -- got them from Rusty so I am *sure* they were top
quality stuff.
So you going to include the cost of all the oil oil filters? ;)
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Can't in good faith do that, since the oil isn't Mobil 1.
On Dec 13, 2007 11:35 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wonko the Sane wrote:
Had to include them -- got them from Rusty so I am *sure* they were top
quality stuff.
So you going to include the cost of all the oil oil
I do disconnect the relay. I guess I should salvage a male connector pin from
my parts car and make the gp tester more efficient.
Luther
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:40:33 -0600, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Don't you have a 30-0-30 ammeter? Put some 10ga wire on both ends of
it, clip one
Ok, $101.
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:52:45 -0600, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As Kleb would say --- hahahahahahahahah. (It has relatively new Goodyear
Regatta 2 tires, so about x7 of your bid and the *tires* would be paid for.)
On Dec 13, 2007 9:27 AM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED]
$101?
new half shaft
new muffler
new brakes
new brake master cylinder (I think)
new starter
4 new Regatta 2 tires (P185/70R13)
new glow plugs
new wiper blades
new fuel / air filters, etc.
new fuel lines from tank to mid-car area, tank drained
dozens of hours labor
45 mpg estimate
On Dec 13, 2007
Yup - all those parts are now used, so add nothing to the value of the
car -- $102.00 - it's not an MB you know.
On Dec 13, 2007 11:44 AM, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Fine, $101.01
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:17:26 -0600, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
$101?
new half shaft
new
I will have to look at the title and see how many miles it had when I bought
it. I would wager that I've not put even 500 miles on the car since I took
possession in January 2006. Could be wrong, but it would surprise me.
On Dec 13, 2007 11:58 AM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yup - all those
So, tell us again why you're selling this car?
On Dec 13, 2007 12:02 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I will have to look at the title and see how many miles it had when I bought
it. I would wager that I've not put even 500 miles on the car since I took
possession in January 2006.
Fine, $101.01
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:17:26 -0600, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
$101?
new half shaft
new muffler
new brakes
new brake master cylinder (I think)
new starter
4 new Regatta 2 tires (P185/70R13)
new glow plugs
new wiper blades
new fuel / air filters, etc.
new
I keep asking myself that same question.
On Dec 13, 2007 12:03 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, tell us again why you're selling this car?
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You must be needing a new project
On Dec 13, 2007 12:56 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I keep asking myself that same question.
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There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics.
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'90 300D, '87
On Dec 13, 2007 10:56 AM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I keep asking myself that same question.
On Dec 13, 2007 12:03 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, tell us again why you're selling this car?
People seem to really like the Quantum diesels. The few times I've
seen
Inline.
On Dec 13, 2007 1:08 PM, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does the FWD Quantum have a transverse engine with the
transaxle underneath like other watercooled VWs, or is it an
Audi-style inline arrangement like the Syncro?)
Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo et al.
- Original Message -
From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
$101?
new half shaft
new muffler
new brakes
new brake master cylinder (I think)
new starter
4 new Regatta 2 tires (P185/70R13)
new glow plugs
new wiper blades
new fuel / air filters, etc.
new fuel lines from tank to
It seems than at Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:09:39 -0600, Luther wrote:
I do disconnect the relay. I guess I should salvage a male connector pin
from my parts car and make the gp tester more efficient.
Luther
On cars that came equipped with the parallel plugs I do the
testing at the relay. I
http://tinyurl.com/yqe6yt using the original relay.
On Dec 13, 2007 4:06 PM, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For cars like Wonko's, it's not so simple. I don't know how he
has the plug wires connected. Is it a late-model retrofit? Or all the
leads under onto one terminal? Some other sort of
Wonko the Sane wrote:
Quantum is still running fine. In fact, I drove it to work this morning. But
it will probably go on the auction block soon to finance the gasser / winter
car.
There was a turbo Rabbit pickup advertised here recently.
I'm not sure if the seat goes back far enough for
wiring glow plugs
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$101?
new half shaft
new muffler
new brakes
new brake master cylinder (I think)
new starter
4 new Regatta 2 tires (P185/70R13)
new glow plugs
new wiper
: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:17:26 -0600
From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] hard wiring glow plugs
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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$101?
new half shaft
new muffler
new brakes
Oh, my error. I thought you meant you'd buy the Jetta and trade for the
Quantum.
On Dec 13, 2007 6:45 PM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Theres a '91 Jetta up here for $1500, I'm sure I could give that for your
car...
Especially if you'd pick us up at the airport and give us a place
I'm thinking more 190D or Civic or (if I had the money) a car like my son
has, a Civic Hybrid. :-)
On Dec 13, 2007 6:28 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wonko the Sane wrote:
Quantum is still running fine. In fact, I drove it to work this morning.
But
it will probably go on
, rocketship compared to a 240D with
40mpg in the summer. Not bad in the snow as my surviving my commute today
proves.
-Curt
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:40:59 -0600
From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] hard wiring glow plugs
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Or if you wanted a 190E I know of several I could put my hands on quick...
-Curt
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:40:59 -0600
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I'm thinking more 190D or Civic or (if I had the money) a car like my
son
has, a Civic Hybrid
It is pretty straight forward.
Take out the old loop plugs, insert the pencil plugs, remove the ground
strap that used to be at plug #1, and wire the plugs together.
Or, in 'tron-speak, out with the series and in with the parallel. No voltage
drop as w/ the series configuration.
After the
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:37:19 -0600 Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/yqe6yt using the original relay.
On Dec 13, 2007 4:06 PM, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For cars like Wonko's, it's not so simple. I don't know how he
has the plug wires connected. Is it a
It seems than at Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:42:24 -0700, Craig wrote:
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:37:19 -0600 Wonko the Sane
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/yqe6yt using the original relay.
On Dec 13, 2007 4:06 PM, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For cars like Wonko's, it's
It seems than at Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:14:27 -0600, Wonko wrote:
They were ridded-of a couple of years ago.:-)
Nice pencil-style glow plugs.
Good!
Now, maybe I missed something in one of the posts...
Did you change anything besides the plugs? I believe the
parallel plugs draw more
I am convinced that I have to have a bad glow plug. Car was plugged in all
day (inside an insulated garage, temp no lower than 40F) and it took lots of
cranking on a fully charged battery to start.
Four new glow plugs are on order from Rusty. Hopefully will be here at or
before Saturday, and
Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am convinced that I have to have a bad glow plug.
Measure twice, cut once. Use an ammeter, or measure voltage drop -
you had electronics training.
Four new glow plugs are on order from Rusty. Hopefully will be here at or
before Saturday, and after
Gotta be a plug, Don. Same gel symptoms whether outside at 10+F or in a
40+F garage. Valve adjustment isn't too far in the distant past. ... There
was a gradual increase in cranking time during the fall, which to me points
to a failing (now failed) plug. And, if the plugs don't fix it, then I
If one plug is bad, it will start and run rough until that one hole
warms up. It's not likely that all of them went out at once.
To quote another one - you can't manage what you can't measure -
hence all the cool measuring toys - ah, tools -
On Dec 12, 2007 10:08 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL
I am hoping it is the glow plug. If not, then it is definitely a gasser in
the garage. If that is the case, I will keep the Benz but will put it into
winter storage.
On Dec 12, 2007 10:15 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If one plug is bad, it will start and run rough until that one hole
It seems than at Fri, 7 Dec 2007 08:50:19 -0600, Wonko wrote:
Here's what I am thinking of doing: hard wire +12VDC to the glow plugs and
install a switch so I can manually control the duration of pre-glow (and
know that it is indeed getting heat to the plugs). Weren't some of the
pre-W123
It seems than at Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:37:53 -0600, Wonko wrote:
I've been hangin' around in here for so many years that most folks
*know*that I have a '77 240D.
Aakk!
Does it still have series glow plugs?
Get rid of them if it does
-- Philip
They were ridded-of a couple of years ago.:-)
Nice pencil-style glow plugs.
On Dec 10, 2007 6:34 PM, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I
Aakk!
Does it still have series glow plugs?
Get rid of them if it does
-- Philip
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About this time of year, my glow plug system gets a mind of its own. Even
Marshall was never able to figure it out via theoretical troubleshooting.
After the temp gets into the low teens, the glow plug light functions only
intermittently. Sometimes it lights up and sometimes it doesn't.
I
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 08:50:19 -0600 Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Here's what I am thinking of doing: hard wire +12VDC to the glow plugs
and install a switch so I can manually control the duration of pre-glow
(and know that it is indeed getting heat to the plugs). Weren't some of
the
W123 240D.
On Dec 7, 2007 10:04 AM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What car?
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I have yet to find a clamp-on DC Ammeter for less than $200 that works
worth shit. Craftsman has one for ~$180 that is barely adequate. Once
upon a time I had a nice Fluke unit that I bought at an auction. It
was da bomb. Retail at the time was ~ $500. Unfortunately a friend
borrowed it and I have
You are a very creative and intelligent man, Craig. Great idea. That would
bypass whatever portion of the glow plug relay that says light up the
lightbulb.
On Dec 7, 2007 9:09 AM, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That said, a better solution might be to put a bulb (or LED w/resistor)
Here's what I am thinking of doing: hard wire +12VDC to the glow plugs
and
install a switch so I can manually control the duration of pre-glow
(and
know that it is indeed getting heat to the plugs). Weren't some of the
pre-W123 diesels wired up this way?
The 115's have a pull-knob to
The relay uses a current transformer with three
turns (say) for the #2-4 plug power balanced against
one turn (in reverse) for #1 power.
And that would be backwards, of course. One turn
for the three plugs versus three turns for the one
plug. A reed switch senses the net DC magnetic field.
-Original Message-
From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am now in winter survival mode, since I love close enough to my office
to work to work if necessary but don't really want to do so.
There could be some sort of Freudian slip in there but you deserve the benefit
of the
Wow, that is unlike me. Two bloopers in the same sentence.
In fairness to me, I was being distracted by an intercom question while
keyboarding.
On Dec 7, 2007 12:12 PM, Bill Ringgold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am now in
I've been hangin' around in here for so many years that most folks
*know*that I have a '77 240D.
As for troubleshooting the problem, I've spent scores of hours and lots of
bandwidth in past years trying to figure out what's happening. I am now in
winter survival mode, since I love close enough to
THAT is what I'm talkin' about.
Hey, my motorcycle actually has four carbs instead of fuel injection. I am
an old school sort of guy.
On 12/7/07, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The old cars like Gump just have the yank on it to glow knob.
Requires some subjective calculations to determine
I've done that to a Nissan Diesel and it worked very well. From memory I
wired it into the glow plug controller so I wouldn't need a heavy wire
or switch.
However my problem was that the controller was not fully cycling and
would switch off half way into the glow period.
If you are going the
Sounds like a possible issue in the dash??? What areas are common and weren't
changed with the conversion?
Luther
On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:19:25 -0600, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yea, but it did it when I had the loop plugs in and now with the
pencil-style plugs in.
Maybe if I
Speaking of the carhere's a quote from IowaQ.
Me
do you have this thing floored?
Don
No, I didn't want to loose the people behind me.
Note, the people behind us were: Regina, driving a w140 420SEL and Kaleb in
John Robins '91? 300D 2.5. There's no way a 240D at full throttle could loose
Yea, but it did it when I had the loop plugs in and now with the
pencil-style plugs in.
The series-plug key-start relay senses current flow to the plug
string, and if inadequate will not light the lamp. There is no
balancing act going on there. That circuit could be getting wonky.
-- Jim
Yea, but it did it when I had the loop plugs in and now with the
pencil-style plugs in.
Maybe if I installed the relay that came with the conversion kit ... hmmm
.
On Dec 7, 2007 2:23 PM, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Isn't this 240 been upgraded to the 5cyl type glow system
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No Luther, you mis-understood. They would have been lost in the smoke screen.
Randy
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] hard wiring glow plugs
Isn't this 240 been upgraded to the 5cyl type glow system
Luther
On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 08:50:19 -0600, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
About this time of year, my glow plug system gets a mind of its own. Even
Marshall was never able to figure it out via theoretical troubleshooting.
I know how that goes. My wife's car has some issues that only surface in the
cold weather. I hear about it big time
this time of year but not a word in the summer to remind me when I could check
it out. Steering rack leaks fluid
when cold. Fresh air / recircluate door must be stuck closed as the
Don: I really think your time and energy would be better served by trouble
shooting the existing system.
BTW, Marshall would admonish you for not telling us the car. :-)
I am guessing a late 123?
I *think* the plugs are working, because last year I had a voltmeter hooked
up and I could see
I think it is getting too cold for the electrons to flow and your
need to create a siphon so that there is better flow. Get a large
wire, maybe 0 gauge and hang it down further.
The old cars like Gump just have the yank on it to glow knob.
Requires some subjective calculations to
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No Luther, you mis-understood. They would have been lost in the smoke
screen.
Randy
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Speaking of the carhere's a quote from IowaQ.
Me
do you have this thing floored?
Don
No, I didn't
W123 240D.
If you have a clamp-on DC ammeter, and you really should
for long-term care and feeding of these beasts, you can
check the plug currents to see that they're all about the
same. It's not a particularly cheap tool, but it's very
useful for glow plug, battery, and starter problem
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