en, when I want to block 10.1.2.3, I simply touch
/web/stonehenge/var/blocked/REMOTE_ADDR-10.1.2.3
I figure the OS is better at a file lookup than apache is at parsing
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vantage over Apache parsing a long file of addresses in
Fred> that the OS is better at a file lookup.
Hey, that looks familiar. Do I get credit? :)
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ttp://perl.apache.org/about/contributors/other.html#Contributors
Yeah, I was half joking, and I think I even knew I was already in there.
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in last 5 minutes, bytes transferred, number
of hits, and spread that out by whatever divisions you wanted. It'd
just be a matter of reducing the decision logic to a single number
over a certain domain (requestor, resource, number) and then setting
the blocking criterion (seconds, t
ad of time, I can
write about what I just did from an implementation perspective, and
thus release the module with module docs, and still get paid for
writing a column. Joy.
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Post a URL for your box on a file-swapping or pr0n site. That'll ensure
a continuous stream of hits.
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ng about that.
In particular, I've been drafted to give a "mod perl" talk on the
Apache track at OSCON. My notes are all mod-perl1. Will I be boo'ed
off the stage if I mention mod_perl2 only in passing?
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Frank> near future.
Ahh, the talks I couldn't attend because I was busy manning my exhibit
hall booth, trying desparately to pay my bills for the year. :)
So, I'll have to change my spin a bit... can someone give me the
latest pointers to "here
s a
trailing slash, the right side should as well.
You've got unbalanced slashes. I think that might be your trouble.
But I didn't read the rest of the thread carefully enough. I'm just
going for the lowhanging fruit here, as it has often been my
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of the two accepted was my dinky little mod_perl talk. And it's
not even in the Perl track, but in the Apache track.
I'll do everything I can to continue to beat the drum about mod_perl.
I've been reading this thread with interest, but if anyone wants to
ensure that I'll co
pache API? Input/output filters seem like one such
Chris> thing, and surely there are others.
I've personally used trans, postreadrequest, log, mime, and auth, as
well as the normal content handler. Each type of the 14 handler slots
provides a specific contribution to the response giv
mod_rewrite, and uses a much more familiar syntax. :)
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Simon> We estimate that we will start releasing release candidates in a month
Simon> or so. As soon as I finish working through the API and a few of the
Simon> critical problems are resolved.
In my defense, I tried to indicate that this was merely a guess.
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nes of code (Perl
density versus Java density), true open source (if it breaks
*anywhere* you can fix it or pay someone to fix it), and you get
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otes from my "intro to mod_perl" at OSCON 2004 are at:
<http://conferences.oreillynet.com/presentations/os2004/schwartz_randal.pdf>
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r their little shopping site.
And ticketmaster (gasp)! How could a company that handles millions
of credit cards a day ever use something like Template Toolkit and
mod_perl! They must be *crazy*!
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series for Linux Magazine... it's dribbling out
over the next few months, and will be on my website shortly after
the embargo has passed.
It's always been clear to me that the real power of mod_perl wasn't
the content phase... there are so many OTHER cool things that mod_perl
d
t;can this person go here?" but "what content
should this URL map to?"
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ant it *after* trans,
access, and auth, so that you can determine resource, host-based
permission, and identify the individual.
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This is the same problem as when other formerly CPAN modules get
incorporated into a later Perl distro.
Please either unincorporate it (and then cpan-delete 2.0.0-RC1),
or release a separate version of it as well.
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are already in place.
Don't ask for the mechanism to change.
Or, if it has to be different for mod_perl2, then call it Apache2::Request
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ib.
Given that, if the Apache::Request that comes with MP2 is *not* upward
compatible with the one released independently on the CPAN (for
Apache1 and MP1), then it needs to have a different name. Why is this
so hard to understand or comply with?
Please. Just do the right thing. Create Apache2::Req
et an Apache::Request that works with mod_perl1.
I install mod_perl2, and I get an Apache::Request that works with mod_perl2.
This is unacceptable.
You cannot use the same namespace for two different modules.
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2-RCs.
Oh good. Another place to post my "use Apache2 considered harmful"
rant... <http://apache.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=133957&cid=11186211>
Thanks for pointing it out.
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strong
opposition appears to be Stas! And this is perfectly understandable.
Stas has invested himself in an unworkable path. It'll take some work
to sort it out. I'm willing to help with that.
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we need to look at #3,
#4, and #5.
Now, if everyone involved agrees that #1 or #2 are workable, that's
fine too. But I want this to be a community decision, not just "Stas
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ions you have on your disk.
There's only one CPAN. Perrin's point, while valid, doesn't address
the indexing issue.
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n the rest.
And you keep repeating the lie. Shame on you.
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d be something as simple as
DBM::Deep, which is a single-file zero-install module that gives you
arbitrary persistent Perl data structures efficiently.)
See my (slightly aged but still valid) write-up of this at:
http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/WebTechniques/col61.html
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>>>>> "Michael" == Michael Peters writes:
Michael> On 09/18/2009 10:33 AM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
>> Ahh, phase 2 of cookie awareness. When you get to phase 3, you realize that
>> cookies should really just be used to distinguish one browser from ano
ave to have some sort of server-side
data to say "this user most recently authenticated at this time, so I still
trust him".
And once you've done that, why store *any* auth client side? Just brand the
browser, as my article says.
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o log in at any part of that linked
Douglas> list.
That's an interesting idea... brand the browser, but rotate it from time to
time, maintaining a list. Thanks for suggesting that... I'll have to explore
that in some future project.
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me complete access to your
data.
This is why there are no "shared hosting" plans for mod_perl that don't
require running completely separate clusters of apache servers. There's
nothing like "su-exec" for mod_perl - it's not even possible.
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>>>>> "Roland" == Roland Mai writes:
Roland> The login.pl file gets executed only once. Upon subsequent refreshes it
Roland> dissapears.
What does that mean? Does it generate content? Are there any errors in
the error log? Can you log that it is being
nded up
with a very nice base class for handwritten SQL (no ORM) for a recent
project.
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Tuomo> itself:
No it doesn't. It's common practice. It may not be the way *you* code
in Perl, but it's perfectly acceptable Perl to have a file-lexical
variable. Ever heard of "inside-out objects"? That's precisely the
mechanism by which th
What's the
equivalent of $r->read() that marks the incoming stream as UTF8, so I
get chars instead of bytes? Or can I just read(\*STDIN) in mod_perl2
as well? (I know that was supported at one point...)
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took a bit
of work to get working, and so I think none of those are the issue.)
What I need to know is what is mod_perl doing differently? Does it not
respect binmode STDIN, ":utf8"? Apparently not. So if you know of a
way to get mod_perl to "fix" reading from the browser pro
et to 0, which forces
read from STDIN (via $r) instead of the native STDIN. In theory. In
practice, even though I've done a binmode STDIN, I'm still getting raw
bytes from read(\*STDIN...), not utf8-tagged strings.
Not sure what to do next. Still frustrated.
Why can't the worl
>>>>> "Randal" == Randal L Schwartz writes:
Randal> Yeah, just coded that. In a BEGIN block in my app, I monkey-patched
Randal> read_from_client:
And then I've also tried to monkey-patch ->read just as you said.
On the first read, an empty string is app
d ports as packages, use poudriere and create your own package
repo with your own custom settings.
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Still trying to think of something clever for the fourth line of this .sig
ustomize *any* of the 14 phases... most of the other frameworks are
content-phase only, or some limited insertion into the other phases.
Hmm. 14 sounds too small. I think that was for apache 1.x.
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>>>>> "Tom" == Tom Browder writes:
Tom> Any plans to support Perl 6?
You mean, "Any plans to rewrite it from scratch?"
You do realize that Perl 6 is an entirely different language, yes?
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>>>>> "Randal" == Randal L Schwartz writes:
Randal> Getting really frustrated with mod_perl2's apparent inability to
Randal> probably read UTF8 input.
Randal> Here's my mod_perl2 setup:
Randal> Apache 2.2.[something]
Randal> mod_perl
I did this in my app,
and would never think of putting that into the core CGI::Prototype where
this gets used, even though it would solve the problem for everyone.
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> libapreq/Apache::Request
My CGI::Prototype is still in use by one of my primary clients, and uses
the CGI module only for parsing the incoming request. The rest is a
nice prototype-inheritance structure of Template Toolkit objects.
print "Just another Perl hacker,";
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rl list?
If you're interested in reading, or participating on topic, yes.
But not if you're going to post off-topic. :)
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Perl/Un
e are both running on the same box, and I still see
serious advantages.
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KCRUISES_ROOT *]
Options All MultiViews
AllowOverride All
Order Allow,Deny
Allow from All
Order Allow,Deny
Deny from All
DirectoryIndex inde
It still has CPAN indexing of Apache::PerlSections, incorrectly.
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mple doesn't do. If you're going
to reinvent the wheel, at least make it different.
And, the mod_perl list isn't the place for this. Look at modules@perl.org,
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ble sources, we lose another opportunity
for a Perl design win. Yes, in an ideal world, it's not the PHBs that
pick the technology, but very few of us seem to live in an ideal
world.
Perhaps if mod_perl announced itself by default, but a simple
directive turned it off? Then at least t
e line. Not sure if
that was the intent, and in mod_perl1 I believe newlines were properly
treated.
There are no tests for this section. Perhaps some should be added. :(
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config->get("key");
Then I should see @values for all "PerlAddVar key v1" in scope, right?
It seems to work in httpd.conf files. But not .htaccess files. And
yes, the .htaccess file is parsed, because bad syntax will give me the
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but no... those are also spread out.
Why is this design so sideways?
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Geoffrey> $r->dir_config() ought to give merged settings, though.
It doesn't.
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>>>>> "Randal" == Randal L Schwartz writes:
>>>>> "Geoffrey" == Geoffrey Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Geoffrey> I'd be surprised if that works. $r->server->dir_config()
Geoffrey> ought to give unmerged per-server Per
o, expect a few dozen more "newbie" questions about modperl2 over
the next few weeks as I try to integrate more of my ad-hoc things into
modperl2.
Thanks!
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eally "perl" variables, but rather dir_config thingies
that are fetched with $r->dir_config("name"), so there's not really
any easy way I know of to "fake" that in a section.
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you then
do something unique per virthost in your connect_on_init, you're
working against the system there, and you get broken results.
One solution is to ensure that you use a different username/password
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$self->add_config($_) for @data;
}
}
That's one fix, or you could make add_config handle a list instead.
I think this fix is closer to the docs, but the docs are a bit vague.
Without this fix, setting @PerlConfig to a list of items ignores
everything after the first.
p to read, ad supported; try broadband
internet. ~~1131487477246~~
shenanigans>
Translation: We can't even spell "safety" instead of "saftey",
self->add_config($_) for @data;
}
}
And that works for me to enable PerlSections to actually *work*.
Apparently, there are no tests for that. :(
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x27;d rather fork (usually needlessly) two times per virthost?
Ick.
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Boysenberry>I was wondering if $ENV{HTTP_X_FORWARDED_HOST} is a reliable way
Boysenberry> to determine the domain of the request; or is it easily spoofed?
telnet your.server.example.com 80
GET /some/url HTTP/1.0
X-forwarded-for: some-other-host
CR
CR
Yeah, that's
backend will spit the entire response, and go free to service
the next request... your thin front-end will then deliver that response
slowly as needed.
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necting shouldn't be much of an issue here, because
your front and back machines are probably very close together, and the cost
of lookup and reverse lookup shouldn't be much.
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thing like that to httpd.conf:
Curtis>PerlModule Some::Application
You can have the import() of this module add conf information
directly. See http://perl.apache.org/docs/2.0/api/Apache2/CmdParms.html and
http://perl.apache.org/docs/2.0/api/Apache2/ServerUtil.html about
"add_config".
say where you thought the Kernel was to blame? Can you show an example?
This is a bit like blaming the car when you hit the curb while parking.
*Maybe* it's the car, but when millions of people manage to park a car just
fine, it might not be the car. :)
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rst and loop.last *rock*.
If you find yourself agonizing over the very-easy-to-learn TT syntax,
you're doing *too* much in TT. It's self-limiting.
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ep deprivation! :)
>From what I recall, the *first* version of PHP was a simple CGI-Perl
script. I don't think mod_perl was ever involved.
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ke HTML::Mason if you need something
Ryan> serious.
Catalyst has quite a bit of that JS integration completed already. Of all the
existing Perl frameworks, Catalyst is definitely the closest to RonR.
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>>>>> "Matthew" == Matthew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Matthew> None of my subroutines are prototyped. They all follow the format:
Matthew> sub () {
Matthew>
Matthew> }
You realize that's a prototype? :)
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appear to mostly be related to
>> the same issue, and I tried emailing him about this using the contact
>> email he provided at http://www.perlmonks.org/?node=tachyon.
Why would anyone use this instead of CGI.pm?
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ng before it
gets this far, I presume.
Ick.
"Hello, CERT?"
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>>>>> "Randal" == Randal L Schwartz writes:
>>>>> "Alex" == Alex Solovey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Alex> The problem is due to unescaped variable interpolation in regular
Alex> expression $uri =~ /$path_info$/ in sub namespace_
>>>>> "Fred" == Fred Moyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Fred> Ok, help me out here Merlyn. Will this fix it?
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mething right away.
Release*s* you mean?
Fred> Now I guess we just need that press release... Randal maybe you can get
Fred> this all out on Perlcast? :)
At the delay at which I usually record them, that won't be very fast. :)
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ropriate list (the mod_perl developers). Perhaps your job for the *next*
breakage is to make sure your secret mailing list is a bit more public, if you
want security reports to go there instead of here.
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>>>>> "Michael" == Michael Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Michael> Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
>>>>>>> "Alex" == Alex Solovey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
Alex> The problem is due to unescaped variable inter
all use ModPerl::RegistryCooker,
and the problem is in there, my list is still accurate.
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>>>>> "Randal" == Randal L Schwartz writes:
Randal> However, for mp2, since the listed modules all use
Randal> ModPerl::RegistryCooker, and the problem is in there, my list is still
Randal> accurate.
Ugh. Yes, I see it now. While ModPerl::RegistryCooker ha
ooked, it was closer to the 23rd. Weird.
Or is the number copied wrong?
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that would be remotely useful here.
This *can* be fixed for the future. (Nudge to the developers.)
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Later, I
learned to first (a) have an idea (b) write the code (c) publish the code to
CPAN (d) write the magazine article about it. That order works much
better. :) I've written probably a few dozen things that would have been nice
CPAN modules, but are tied up in ownership tangles.
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>>>>> "Clinton" == Clinton Gormley <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > writes:
>> $fp =~ /(.*)/;
Clinton> This doesn't untaint $fp.
Clinton> instead, you could do this:
Clinton> ( $fp )=( $fp =~ /(.*)/ );
Don't forget the /s. Remember, Unix paths c
sy.
John> Am I reinventing the wheel?
John> If not I'll post a link here when I'm done.
You can start with what I did in
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